New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[Vifam]

/Confirm

[Vifam]

Vifam:

Why did you join a new (Large) game despite asking to replace out of a (Mini) game?

I hate rereading and those games were booooooooooooooooooooring.

[Vifam]

Vifam:

Why did you join a new (Large) game despite asking to replace out of a (Mini) game?

I hate rereading and those games were booooooooooooooooooooring.

1: And what makes you think that this game will be more fun?

2: Please answer my twenty-five general questions.

1.The playerlist seems like a hell of a time.


2. Sure.

[Vifam]

I'm going to try something:

1: Why do you play Mafia?

Scumhunnting by finding contradictions

2: How old are you?

19

3: How would you describe your general thought process?

Anything that sounds iffy is noted, then I go for the attack when I feel there is enough evidence

4: What is your time-zone?

EST Standardized time

5: How do you approach unique problems in need of solution?

Find something else to do until I feel like solving the problem

6: What is your favorite precious metal, and why?

TITANIUM. BECAUSE ROBOTS

7: How would you approach this game as town?

Make some use with completed games and just overall meta for the first time. Maybe.

8: How would you approach this game as scum?

POE scumhunting

9: What is your gender?

Male

10: Are you nervous?

No.

11: What is your experience level?

Newbie

12: What are your strongest emotions?

Disappointment

13: What's your general activity level?

Depends on weather or not I find the game interesting

14: What is your plan in this game?

Scumhunt successively while no BW are ever pushed on me.

15: Which do you prefer: RVS, RQS, or other? (If Other, please explain.)

RVS

16: Do you have a reputation? What for?

I don't like to think I have one.

17: Do you prefer playing as town, scum, or other? (If Other, please explain.)

Town

18: What are your favorite three roles?

Nexux, bomb, Cultist

19: What order are those favorite roles in?

None particular

20: What is your stance on lurkers?

Rather then waste a lynch on a lurker, we should request replacement for that player.

21: How do you plan on catching scum?

Scumhunting

22: What do these questions mean to you?

An effort to start discussion.

23: What is the airspeed velocity of a coconut-laden swallow?

I don't know

24: You see someone waving their arms and directing you to go right. How do you respond?

Right, mite b cool.

[Vifam]

Fools: Can at least one of you get an avatar?

Oh god this is setting up to be just like [REDACTED].

[Vifam]

An additional question I want to ask everyone:

25A: Do you play more for fun, or more for the thrill of victory?

I like winning but I'm content with knowing that I played a decent game.

25B: Your stance aside, do you think others should play with a similar outlook? Explain why or why not.

I think everyone should have the same outlook as me, TBH.

[Vifam]

VOTE: DavidXanthos

[Vifam]

That avatar is hideous.


Not even the funny type of hideous.

[Vifam]

Vifam:

7: How would you approach this game as town?

Make some use with completed games and just overall meta for the first time. Maybe.

8: How would you approach this game as scum?

POE scumhunting

Are these backwards? (Reading 3-5 now.)

No, they're exactly where they need to be.

Playing with POE townreads as scum is usually the best way to go about things.

[Vifam]

I like how Mastin has five townreads while I only have one.

lolMastin.

[Vifam]

Mastin's post aren't *THAT* long, it's just that he spaces the lines out. They can still be a bitch to read though.

He's got 6 actually.

To be fair though, he has a 'scum' read on me. As far as I can see, that was initially from before I'd even posted on the thread.

I didn't think wannabe psychics would be allowed to play games on here. BAD MAN.

Funny, you're reading town for me so far.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE: Vifam

I'll deal with

you

later

.

Is that a legitimate threat?

[Vifam]

Probably not. Did love your unreasoned OMGUS vote though. May come back to it.

There is nothing to "comeback" to there, it's the RVS stage.

[Vifam]

David is scum, by the way.

[Vifam]

Doesn't change the OMGUS nature. :3

And you claim you don't like re-reading, so you joined a large game?

I can't reconcile that logic. Larges have more to re-read..

Doesn't matter, it's the RVS and a "OMGUS" is not a sign of alignment.


I do hate rereading, but not if the posts are interesting, and like I said, I like the player list.

[Vifam]

I said I wasn't going to out any reads during pre-game, but I have to say that Vifam is darn scummy.

Good night.

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You have time to explain yourself on that scumread.

[Vifam]

Fail!

Just because it's the RVS doesn't mean it's meaningless.

And Johong, I'm appearing online because I'm doing other stuff on this comp, and keeping this tab up

I disagree, RVS is pretty meaningless til one guy says something dumb, but that's why I like it.

[Vifam]

I guess I see your point. Since I just realized something thanks to it.


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Johnog

VOTE: Johhog
Because self-voting in pre-game is funny.

And even after saying I am "darn scummy" he still leaves a vote up on HIMSELF.


And at the time he was still online so he would have

-Enough time to explain his scumread on me
-Enough time to do a simple Unvote: Vote:.

[Vifam]

Hell ya.

Also, Vifam is pretty darn scummy.



:troll:

I don't understand, why did you do the :troll: thing?

[Vifam]

Oh I get it.

Ha.Ha.Ha.Ha

[Vifam]

Strange/scummy. Indeed it seems like you flipped the answer of these questions and it makes me quite nervous, it looks like you say pre-game "I'm going to look scummy if I'm town so please don't vote me.".

How does this even REMOTELY make sense? One is for scum and the other is for town? Both town and scum could use it.

So it's impossible to find scum in the RVS

"Random votes" are "Random votes". If we all just voted someone differently randomly, scum would never be caught, we need to use our

words

. And seeing as how I didn't use my words my vote on David, there is nothing to comeback to. It could literally be put down as a "Random vote".

No, it's just anti-town and overall bad. And I don't like how you justify everything with "Hey guys, it's RVS, I can say what I want!".

How is voting the same person who voted you antitown during this stage? Of course the vote isn't gonna last forever. Selfvoting is antitown, no matter what stage, however. Since you, yourself, know you are town.

I can't decide what the hell this is? It should've been obvious that I turned my computer off after I said "Good night". You didn't see it Vifam? Also it is the pre-game, so votes don't count, but if you so desperately want a vote fine. UNVOTE: JohhogVote:Vifam

From my end, you were here at LEAST long enough to see this post:

I said I wasn't going to out any reads during pre-game, but I have to say that Vifam is darn scummy.

Good night.

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You have time to explain yourself on that scumread.

I see we have a hypocrite here. You give no motivation whatsoever why David is scum, but you want me to post scumreads when I'm asleep? Wtf?

Our back and fourth was obvious, to why I thought he was scum, THIS GUY GOT IT:

On other forums i've played on people don't really post town/mafia lists within the first few hours of the game. Regardless

UNVOTE: Vifam

I'll deal with

you

later

.

VOTE: Mastin2

Racist bugger calling both Scotsmen Scum!

And no, I'm not answering your damn questions.

I see no reason for a town player to not answer the questions...

Probably not. Did love your unreasoned OMGUS vote though. May come back to it.

Wasn't it random voting? Why is that scummy?

VOTE: David Xanatos for now.

But you called me scum straight out of the blue. And from my timeframe you SAW my questions.

[Vifam]

The most important thing here imo is that Vifam claims that I was on-line when he wrote his post, when I clearly wasn't. You really believe that I did ignore your post Vifam? You really think that I would make a huge deal out of it during pre-game if it was true? If so you're fucking terribad, so let's hope that isn't the case. Also, someone more experienced on the site, how long is the delay before you are taken off the online list? This may be good to know so we know if Vifam just made a mistake or Vifam is lying scum.

Empking seemed to see it also, I might add.


So did Oversoul.

[Vifam]

I said I wasn't going to out any reads during pre-game, but I have to say that Vifam is darn scummy.

Good night.

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You have time to explain yourself on that scumread.

+1

[Vifam]

So seeing as how I had people CONFIRM THAT YOU WERE HERE, maybe you're the one who is lying?

[Vifam]

Then it is delay. Srsly, what reasons would I have to lie about this?

I don't know man.

I don't know.

The mod should be opening this up officially in a second, though.

[Vifam]

So I shut my computer off around maybe X:40, you posted on X:42 if I remember correctly. Anyone who know the mechanics on this site and how long you look online after you logged out? Wait, Vifam (or anyone else), say when you are ready, and I will log out. Then you can check the time.

Okay, sounds like a decent test.

Go for it.

[Vifam]

Looks like he finally logged out.

[Vifam]

So my from my end, he could have saw that post.

Unless I'm not getting something.

[Vifam]

7:43 pm----My post
7:37-------"I'm going to bed"

[Vifam]

I'd like the game to actually start now.

[Vifam]

Yup, but I said I refreshed a couple of minutes later, maybe around X:40, and I saw David's post.

You could easily be lying about so save your own skin.


But hey, whatever.

[Vifam]

Vifam: I really hope you are scum and not stupid. Save my skin from what? From your case build around me not answering your question when I'm asleep? I fucking proved it takes 5 minutes to log out. Test it itself if you want to. I'll just say one more thing dude, Occam's Razor. WHY THE HECK would I pretend to be off-line to avoid answering a question which I will still have to answer next day, in the pre-game. I can't see how that makes sense.

You were still online when I posted that. WHICH IS WHY I WAS ABLE TO POST THAT LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ONLINE.


This is getting us fucking no where, I'm dropping this argument.

[Vifam]

Vifam: But I'm not. Why are you trying to back off when you are losing? Saving your own skin, eh? AND THE FUCKING POINT IS THAT I WASN'T ONLINE. RTFT. Test it yourself if you don't believe me.

Jesus christ. So I just made that list up, is that what you are saying? You have nothing to prove that you were in fact, sleeping at the time. And that you didn't in fact, see that post.

[Vifam]

Just to speak as a Computer Engineering student, these forums (Not Mafiascum, but those based on the forum software) have a reasonably lengthy delay between someone actually logging out/closing the window, and the activity shown at the bottom. The actual amount of time varies, although typically it lies between 10 and 30 minutes before it will remove someone from the list.

Back to coursework.. if anyone can code Delphi, feel free to let me know.

PEdit: And you have nothing to prove that you did, in fact, copy that post.

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What reason would I have to copy + paste his name into that post?

Also Empking also CONFIRMED that it was there.

[Vifam]

Vifam: No I'm not. Please read my posts, it tend to work. I never implied you edited that list. But you don't think that it is proof enough that I "signed off" five minutes later (I assume)? The point is that it is a delay.

(based on users active over the past 5 minutes)

You don't think that is proof enough? You really think I would in the pre-game intentionally pretend to be asleep? OMFG. MOAR VOTES ON VIFAMSCUM, PLEASE.

Yes I understand that, that's why I wanted to drop the argument. Because:

1. I didn't realize there was a delay

2. Too many variables to this argument in the first place.

[Vifam]

I know, it's obvious it is the forum software, but Vifam is refusing to acknowledge that, and he is SO scummy all the time, so I'm confident in my vote.

Can you explain WHY I am scummy other then the "timeframe" thing, I had a huge defense against your case and you seemed to ignore in favor of what we are doing now.

[Vifam]

Btw, as scum, when attention is aimed at you, you'd probably want to seem "gone" for the sake of getting other players to get some heat somwhere else.

[Vifam]

Fine. I'll let it rest for now. But I WILL come back to this later (yes, seriously) and you are my top scum read. For me the interesting part wasn't whether I was on-line or not during that time, the interesting part was your response and your actions after it.

PEdit: #206 isn't your "huge defence", is it? That post is not convincing me at all and you are essentially just saying the opposite to my points.

Can you explain WHY I am scummy other then the "timeframe" thing

The same to you. Why am I scummy?

I asked first.


You have not addressed anything in my defense, and maybe I'm saying the "opposite" because you are wrong and I am right?

Attention? Attention? Are you referring to your "pressure" on me when you told me to explain my scum reads? Are you fucking kidding me? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes, that's attention. How is that not attention? I asked you a question that would obviously implied that I didn't like that you called me "darn scummy" out of no where. Do you think I was asking you that question because I had a previous townread on you? Get out of here man.

[Vifam]

/inb4 Vifam is just the VI. If you really think that I'm not responding to your questions, get some glasses. You are scummy as fuck, and that you refuse to accept it doesn't magically make me town. LOOK ON MY FUCKING POSTS, ISO ME OR SOMETHING INSTEAD OF BEING RETARDED. You really think that would be attention for me to run off crying, pretending I'm asleep? This is... you must be from EM or something.

Empking: Oh yes I think it is. Very much so.

Jesus fucking christ, you have no idea what you are even saying. You're so hung up with the time thing you can't even explain WHY I am scummy with anything other then that.


And I'm not saying that you were "INTIMIDATED" or "CRYING" I'm saying that you could have pretended to be gone for the sake of getting some heat, ANY heat off you. Responding at that very moment and it all would have rushed at you.


Stop being a fucking dick, you're making this game unbearable.

[Vifam]

Wow, stop being dumb please.

1) LOOK AT MY FUCKING POSTS.
2) READ THEM
3) ???
4) PROFIT.

YOU HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO ANYTHING ABOUT ME THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO DO WITH TIME.

And when I ask you are all "LOL NO U FIRST".

[Vifam]

And you honestly think that I would fake off-line just to get that "heat" who wasn't even ANY HEAT AT ALL off me? Just answer me, do you seriously think that I would do that? In the pre-game and all?

There WAS some heat on you, my question wasn't because I had some kind of townread on you, you know it, I know it. I don't know why you're acting like this question was asked with no thought that you were scum lingering in your mind.

[Vifam]

And you honestly think that I would fake off-line just to get that "heat" who wasn't even ANY HEAT AT ALL off me? Just answer me, do you seriously think that I would do that? In the pre-game and all?

There WAS some heat on you, my question wasn't because I had some kind of townread on you, you know it, I know it. I don't know why you're acting like this question was asked with no thought that you were scum lingering in your mind.

There was no heat at all on me, and you know that.

Oh yeah man I totally asked you that question with no intention to divert some attention to you being scum.

Okay.

[Vifam]

Most of those posts aren't even remotely scummy.

(ISO) 6, 8, 12, 13, 14, 23, 30, 31, 36, 39

I'd go through them one by one, but I responded to most of them in my defense. Which you've tried to stealthy ignore over and over again.

Divert attention? Scumslip much? It is (ofc) not heat just because you intend it to be. Your "case" on me is not scaring me at all.

Diverting attention to who I think is scum is a scumslip?

Really?

[Vifam]

The word you choose to use "Divert" when I just said you is scummy is indeed a scumslip, yeah.

That is not a scumslip. I think you are scum so I am trying to "divert" attention to you.

You are doing the same fucking thing by running for a wagon on me.


Do you know what "divert" means?

[Vifam]

And stop ignoring my questions. This is getting annoying.

I've answered almost all your questions while you have been trying to dodge mine.

[Vifam]

Yes, but you apparently don't. Here is a lesson for you:

Definition of DIVERT
intransitive verb
: to turn aside : deviate <studied law but diverted to diplomacy>
transitive verb
1
a : to turn from one course or use to another : deflect <divert traffic to a side street> b : distract <trying to divert her attention>
2
: to give pleasure to especially by distracting the attention from what burdens or distresses
See divert defined for English-language learners »
See divert defined for kids »
Examples of DIVERT

Police diverted traffic to a side street.
The stream was diverted toward the farmland.
They were charged with illegally diverting public funds for private use.
He lied to divert attention from the real situation.
They're only proposing the law to divert attention from important issues.

Origin of DIVERT
Middle English, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French divertir, from Latin divertere to turn in opposite directions, from dis- + vertere to turn — more at worth
First Known Use: 15th century

Yes, you are doing the exact same thing by calling me scum you're "directing" attention from everyone else and bringing it over to me.


Not hard to understand.

[Vifam]

You're not getting my point at all, right? I directed attention on you. You deflected away attention from yourself to me in a very OMGUS way.

Okay, you obviously don't get it.

I.Think.You.Are.Scum.I.Diverted.Attention.To.You.Because.I.Think.You.Are.Scum.

Who was I originally rooting for? David.

So I have no fucking idea what you are talking about and you obviously don't know what divert means.

[Vifam]

I think you are scum because you are pushing for my wagon based on an argument you "dropped" since it seems you have NOTHING other then that pertaining to why I am scum.


There, more reasoning then you have given this whole game.

[Vifam]

No, you are the one who don't know what divert means, or am both me and Merriam-Webster wrong? Please stop ignore my questions now.

Webster is right.


You are wrong.

[Vifam]

I don't know how you manage to still not know what a word means after finding the definition.

[Vifam]

Vifam, are you scum?

No.

[Vifam]

I can't believe we were both sent to the corners like our argument was meaningless.


Fuck you guys so hard.

[Vifam]

Idk David, It only takes a few minutes, TBQH, I was about to tell Mastin to shove it but I decided not to. And since he's withholding reads since until everyone does it, I see no reason not to.

[Vifam]

Consider it a scum claim if you damn well like, it's your own delusion. I fail to see why Town should bow to your demands. You appear to be trying to establish yourself as a leader, attempting to threaten others to get your way. I say again.

Questions. Shove. Right Up. (Less than polite term for rectum).

Heh, you just gave your reason for Fosing Mastin. Without anyone asking.

[Vifam]

I thought your unvote:vote on him was kind of scummy, but now that you slipped the reason, it makes sense.

[Vifam]

But see the thing is, David, what you see as "establishing yourself as a leader" could just be him trying to do something new, he usually doesn't partake in these kind of things. So I don't think this is necessarily scum leading town. That's my problem with the mindset you are having, you've kind of jumped to the conclusion that he is just trying to lead us around.

[Vifam]

I can't believe we were both sent to the corners like our argument was meaningless.


Fuck you guys so hard.

Your argument was meaningless. I think I agree with mastin that you are both probably town though, after re-reading your exchanges.

So, yeah, SP is probably the most suspicious right now for rolefishing.

@mastin

Chronos, not Chaos.

If it made you come to the conclusion we were both town then it wasn't meaningless. :/

[Vifam]

Doesn't matter. Don't like it. Encourages sheeping and discourages critical thought. Why do the work when someone else can for you?

Eh, I see your point, but I think it's all town motivated.

[Vifam]

I can't believe we were both sent to the corners like our argument was meaningless.


Fuck you guys so hard.

It was meaningless. Your argument transcended the dumb "You aren't playing like X, so you must be Y" meta argument and turned into... an analysis on computer/site usage?

Ya. No thanks.

Didn't you say I had a decent point on Joh when I brought it up?


So the computor thing should have been an eye opener and not pointless at all. Since you yourself said it was a good catch,


You seem to really flow in whatever the direction the game is taking, Oversoul.

[Vifam]

We're not in RVS. We're in confirmation.

Oversoul; Already accusing people of lurking.

Hell ya.

Also, Vifam is pretty darn scummy.



:troll:

Johhog, Vifam has a point. Why would you call someone out as scummy and not follow through with that statement?

You mean this post, Vifam. Ya. Nice misrep, Vifam.

I don't understand, you were still agreeing with me.

[Vifam]

Maybe I misunderstood that, but it seemed to me that you agreed that he should have seen those posts, mostly because you said I had a "point" and I just bunched that in with you agreeing with the whole post in itself.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vifam

For putting words into my mouth and latching onto a piss poor argument to make Johhog seem scummy.

Anyway, what are you trying to say here? What piss poor argument?



You just said the whole thing was meaningless on both sides, and now all of sudden I am trying to make HIM look scummy? Why the hell does it go in my direction?

VOTE: Oversoul

[Vifam]

lol, I just realize every vote I have so far has been on someone who has voted me.


You guys need to hop off.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vifam

For putting words into my mouth and latching onto a piss poor argument to make Johhog seem scummy.

Anyway, what are you trying to say here? What piss poor argument?



You just said the whole thing was meaningless on both sides, and now all of sudden I am trying to make HIM look scummy? Why the hell does it go in my direction?

VOTE: Oversoul

It was meangingless for the road you were trying to take.

What do you mean by road I was trying to take?

[Vifam]

Calling me an idiot is uncalled for, I might replace out.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE: Vifam

I'll deal with

you

later

.

Is that a legitimate threat?

Confirmed VI

First you say I am the village idiot and now I a scum the idiot.

You're not even making a lick of sense here.

[Vifam]

Okay, this is getting ridiculous.


You're all overreacting and making this game unbearable.

@Vifam
no you idiot i am commenting on Oversoul's reads, that's why i quoted them.

You said "This town pleases the town gods" as if you

agreed

with them. What the fuck are you doing?

TBH i'm not liking oversoul


at all

You are not alone.

Besides otherwise baseless claims, I don't know why I am disliked.

There's your problem.

Vifam v. Oversoul is SvT

Vote: Oversoul

This HAS to be a bus, that vote doesn't make any fucking sense with what you have previously posted.

[Vifam]

I don't see how one read you think is false read could lead you thinking OS being scum. You're honestly not making any sense right here. You have to be bussing or something because that shit is ridiculous.

[Vifam]

I don't see how one read you think is false read could lead you thinking OS being scum. You're honestly not making any sense right here. You have to be bussing or something because that shit is ridiculous.

The more you talk the more stupid you sound

Hey

Hey'


Internet tough guy.

Can you stop with the stupid insults and start making some sense? This isn't helping you in the least.

[Vifam]

@Vifam

I'll explain to you in baby words.

I commented on Oversoul's reads, they came from a town perspective, you were scummy and it is not bad to consider it to be so, especially from a noob player.

But then the latest events happened and you are just a VI and oversoul is most likely scum, i wanted to consider the other way around, but there isn't a fathomable reason for it to be so.

Jesus christ man.Enough with the village idiot already, I know you think you're outting your reads but in reality you're just coming off as a huge douche and making this game even harder to read.


Now, enough with the bullshit.

Explain why you think Oversoul is scum right now, because you still have not given a reason and along with your douchey attitude it's become extremely annoying.

[Vifam]

Vi; Who bought up the independant thing?

Bomberman.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vifam

For putting words into my mouth and latching onto a piss poor argument to make Johhog seem scummy.

Vifam, where the hell did I agree with you about Johhog about the argument with the online status? I said you had a point that it was odd Johhog would say something and then not follow it.

and at this point, KC is just trolling me.

check it

ergh, yes I know, that comment is the motivation to my vote on him <_<

[Vifam]

Which means you gave me a whole boat of nothing with that, Bomberman.

I don't know if that was intentional, but it sure doesn't sit well.

[Vifam]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

THAT'S THE ONLY ARGUMENT YOU ARE PRESENTING.

FUCK THIS TOWN.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Oversoul

rid myself of this cancer of a game

HURR

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bomberman

[Vifam]

Oversoul is just pissed off town for no reason and scum has to be on his wagon.


Specially you.

[Vifam]

He's obviouslly pissed off, you can't expect him to suddenly forgive everyone for the BW him and stop being anti town.


He should unvote though.

[Vifam]

^scummy. I actually won't unvote right now after that post. You really think it's acceptable to selfvote to "prove" that you're town? That looks either VI or scum motivated.

I really don't care what you think about it. I literally could do nothing except vote for myself at that point.

That is so stupid.

[Vifam]

Why did you play against your wincon, assuming that you're town?

Because you're all playing against your wincon by lynching me.

THEN WHY WOULD YOU HELP US DO THAT BY VOTING YOURSELF?

[Vifam]

So, we are going against our wincon voting you.


But selfvoting is A-OK.

What the hell.

[Vifam]

Sure, I'll just put that down as a desperate townie move.



We should wagon Bomberman.

[Vifam]

I left this window open in another tab while I farted around on YouTube.

So you're gonna ignore my unvote then?

vote: Oversoul

Scum vote, guys.


Scum vote.

[Vifam]

1. Empking - Town
2. Kcdaspot - Scum, not liking your posts until about 2 pages ago
3. Estyn - Town
4. Xeras - Null
5. Foolish Fool (Haylen + JordanA24) - Town
6. mastin2 - Town
7. Vifam - Null leaning town, still don't like that argument between you and Johhog though
8. BomberMan - Null leaning scum
9. Fool_Hardy - Null leaning town
10. David Xanatos - Scum, don't like you not answering questions
11. Oversoul - Null leaning town, self voting doesn't sit well with me though, don't know why you would do that.
14. LordChronos - Null
15. Johhog - Town, don't like that argument between you and vifam though
16. LTP Mafia - Null
17. Secret Project (evilpacman18 + MrBump) - Scum
20. redFF - Null leaning town

Ommitted people haven't posted yet, i skim read the last 6 pages or so, may have missed a post by them.

Does anybody else think these kinda posts are scummy as hell? I mean it's just getting a list of all the players, saying town about players who are considered pro-town at the time by the thread and scum about players considered scummy at the time by the thread. And then null leaning x about players who haven't really been looked at by anyone. If you gave reasons for reads then maybe but these posts just set off alarms in my head.

My only problem is he hasn't even taking the time to vote even ONE of his scumreads.


It's like he doesn't even want to lynch scum and just wants to impress town with lists.

[Vifam]

All these fucking counterwagons.

Someone do a manual vote count.

[Vifam]

I'd be a lot happier with Bomberman or Est.


Est's lists are unnecessary, most of his reads that are "null" go without saying, and it seems like he cares more about looking like he's contributing then ACTUALLY catching scum.

[Vifam]

That Vote Count just established that most of the town is disorganized.


The votes are very wide spread and it's hard to discern which scum are on which wagon.

[Vifam]

The Foolish Vote Count

Oversoul

(4): Kcdaspot, mastin2, Bomberman, redFF

Secret Project

(2): Lord Chronos, Johhog

Bomberman

(2): Oversoul, Vifam

David Xanatos

(1): Empking

Mastin2

(1): David Xanatos

Not Voting: Estyn, Fool_Hardy, Foolish Fool, LTP Mafia, Secret Project, Xeras
Not Posted Yet: donkwich, MintKitten, whiTE_Teaz
Being Replaced: lewarcher82

Who else thinks OS wagon has scum on it?

[Vifam]

The Foolish Vote Count

Oversoul

(4): Kcdaspot, mastin2, Bomberman, redFF

Secret Project

(2): Lord Chronos, Johhog

Bomberman

(2): Oversoul, Vifam

David Xanatos

(1): Empking

Mastin2

(1): David Xanatos

Not Voting: Estyn, Fool_Hardy, Foolish Fool, LTP Mafia, Secret Project, Xeras
Not Posted Yet: donkwich, MintKitten, whiTE_Teaz
Being Replaced: lewarcher82

Who else thinks OS wagon has scum on it?

To be honest, I'd agree with that. The ones I've got my eye on most are Kcda for blowing it all out of proportion, and slightly on redFF for not much activity (much less activity that wasn't filler), and then jumping onto a convenient bandwagon.

RedFF is reading town for me, mostly for #523.

kcd is likely a townie who just can't get their logic straight.

Mastin is being Mastin, I could see Mastinscum but I don't feel the need to pursue it.

Bomberman is easily the scummiest on that wagon.

[Vifam]

RedFF is reading town for me, mostly for #523.

kcd is likely a townie who just can't get their logic straight.

Mastin is being Mastin, I could see Mastinscum but I don't feel the need to pursue it.

Bomberman is easily the scummiest on that wagon.

How come Kcda is reading town for you?

I don't see scum being so, well, out of it. kcda seems to have some type of thought process that the majority of us can't follow, me included.


I don't think he's blowing everything out of proportion like you guys are saying.

[Vifam]

And how that does that make him town?

It doesn't make him scum, either. TBH, I think he is actually making a genuine attempt at scumhunting, that's really the vibe I'm getting from him.

[Vifam]

EBWOP:

Kcda's play so far has been to out of space to be scum, in my mind.

[Vifam]

Mastin is being Mastin, I could see Mastinscum but I don't feel the need to pursue it.

THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS

Mastin is fairly null right now and they're bigger fish in this sea.


Forgetting the OS wagon, I'm also not liking Est's play so far, I might add.

[Vifam]

Can I just say that when you say the "aura" I find it hilarious?


Also, can you explain why?

[Vifam]

THE AURA OF THAT POST READS TOWN HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNG.

[Vifam]

Vifam, get off tunnel vision and do something besides call me scum, provide a case, slap me across the face, just do something.

Your vote to get back on the OS bandwaggon was scummy as hell.

I left this window open in another tab while I farted around on YouTube.

So you're gonna ignore my unvote then?

vote: Oversoul

You wanted him to start making amazing contributions as soon as you unvoted. In reality you were just trying to revive a wagon that looked like it might falter. Because if you really wanted some contributions, you'd wait until he was in a calmer state of mind, that vote did nothing but goad him on to continue being antitown.

[Vifam]

What did you want him to say?


"Thank you for unvoting"?

[Vifam]

What did you want him to say?


"Thank you for unvoting"?

it's not what i wanted him to say, it's how he reacts to it.

How else was he going to react?


The thing you want is a "thanks". What other reaction could you fish for? None.

[Vifam]

reacting is another statement then what he would say, i did indeed get somewhat of a reaction from it, he completely ignored it, when i felt that this was a under the rug move, i applied pressure once more; i got the same response.

Honestly, he had no real reason to address you at that point.

[Vifam]

I'm not sure if you're an idiot or if you're trolling.

Why should Town be concerned about who does or doesn't suspect them, beyond answering any questions/responding to points.

If someone votes me, asks questions, and unvotes after I answer, the natural assumption is "I answered what he wanted to know, he now understands my stance and his concerns were abated". The natural reaction is not "OMG THANK YOU FOR UNVOTING <3<3<3".

Who was this post to?

Bomberman I'm assuming.

[Vifam]

I'm not sure if you're an idiot or if you're trolling.

Why should Town be concerned about who does or doesn't suspect them, beyond answering any questions/responding to points.

If someone votes me, asks questions, and unvotes after I answer, the natural assumption is "I answered what he wanted to know, he now understands my stance and his concerns were abated". The natural reaction is not "OMG THANK YOU FOR UNVOTING <3<3<3".

I didn't show that i was impressed, all i did was unvote because he got flustered and i wasn't going to get anything out of

him in his state of mind.

Then why put the vote on him AGAIN?

[Vifam]

What did you want him to say?


"Thank you for unvoting"?

This.

wow you guys are awful friendly now after your argument..

What do you want me to do? Beat up his family and push him down a hill?


It's a social game.

[Vifam]

Wow, that is a good catch. VERY GOOD CATCH.

Foolish Fool already caught that.

[Vifam]

Bomber's play has been obnoxious, but his vote on OS is easily scum motivated.


kcd is the wild card of wagons here.

[Vifam]

[Vifam]

Woops, that didn't turn out like I planned, it was supposed to be a .gif :/

[Vifam]

I wish fate and DGB were in this...

It would be so much easier to show that bombers town.

Great job. Most pro town player. Gone.

Most pro town player?

Are you


serious?

[Vifam]

If anyone was pro town, it wasn't Bomberman.


I'm not even going to take his replace out as a consideration to him being town, he's the kind of guy who wouldn't allow himself to be the caught scum in the first place.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Est


Lets move on from this.

[Vifam]

Everyone just

calm

down.


They're other wagons to pursue.

[Vifam]

No thanks I won't pursue other wagons we can just lynch the scum lol.

But you're not voting scum, sir.

[Vifam]

What makes you so sure?

I really REALLY think the self voting thing was just a desperate attempt from a desperate townie.

[Vifam]

Est is heavily leading scum right now.

-His reads are carbon copies of whatever some other guy was thinking at the time (Seriously, just look at his lists, you could match it up with someone elses)

-He hasn't voted even one of his scumreads even though he knew someone out there share the same sentiments.

-Active lurking



He's not even really CONTRIBUTING, just regurgitating what other people have said without putting forth any real thought process.

[Vifam]

Red44 is null leaning town, his post about list bring up a good point, and it's why there need to be some more votes up on Esthyn.

[Vifam]

......And RedFF just lied.


UNVOTE:
VOTE: RedFF

[Vifam]

One of the reasons is your tunneling on David, but mainly it is because you call Oversoul "sad town" then not even a day later you do a self voting stunt and vote Oversoul.

The reasoning is right here.


And I assumed you ISO'd him to get all those quotes, so you had to have see that.

[Vifam]

oh whoops i only ctr+f redff in his posts derp. Still he only said that after i called him out on saying he had a scumread on me. tbh i actually think that right now scumteam is oversoul johhog SR and vifam lol...

What does that have to do with anything?

Your complaint was he didn't give you reasoning...he gave you reasoning.

[Vifam]

oh whoops i only ctr+f redff in his posts derp. Still he only said that after i called him out on saying he had a scumread on me. tbh i actually think that right now scumteam is oversoul

johhog SR

and

vifam

lol...

So i just checked your posts and i can't see any time before now where you have said you thought the people whose names i bolded are scum. And as soon as they vote for you, you now think they're a scumteam? "You guys have voted me so you must be scum" Is what this comes down to...

Desperate scum is desperate.

I seriously doubt he missed Johhogs reasoning, even if he F3'd his name, Johhoh mentioned it a lot and one of the F3 things were not long from the post itself.

[Vifam]

I think the Xeras wasgon is a lot better.

RedFF could have just missed your reasoning, I may have been a little over the top when I set that vote out.


UNVOTE:

VOTE: Xeras

[Vifam]

UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: Xeras

I guess we-who-don't-want-to-quicklynch-Oversoul shall be united. Let's try this wagon instead then.

wtf ur voteswitching and randomly trying to start bandwagons. What is going on. I almost feel like you are oversoul's scumbuddy trying to swing the lynch but that would be too easy :O

You can't be serious.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: Xeras

I guess we-who-don't-want-to-quicklynch-Oversoul shall be united. Let's try this wagon instead then.

wtf ur voteswitching and randomly trying to start bandwagons. What is going on. I almost feel like you are oversoul's scumbuddy trying to swing the lynch but that would be too easy :O

This. When I die, (if I do, that is) After my death, people should target Oversoul, Johhog, and Vifam.

These are the people that look the most likely to be scum imho. Though, it is day one, so I might be wrong. =/

You can't

be

serious.

[Vifam]

Here.

We are gonna need a tidal wave of replacements.

[Vifam]

Whoa jeez

[Vifam]

I thought this was closed.

@Mod Votecount restarted?

[Vifam]

David pulled the same shit in [REDACTED].

It angers me, but he's probably town.

[Vifam]

I'll never EVER understand why people get angry over getting fos'd, it's mafia, it's to be expected, are you really that sensitive?


I have to do a reread of this thread, I guess.

[Vifam]

Oversoul, but I guess that implies you too.

[Vifam]

PM is bringing up decent points, actually.


VOTE: Johhog

[Vifam]

Gut, mainly. To me his posts doesn't look fabricated, they're just fail - much like Vifam and possibly Xeras.

You've deflected every argument against you with "Lol you're an idiot". Stop that.

[Vifam]

I mean, I dropped my scumread on you because I was

considering

you were just an egotistical townie, but as it turns out, you're doing more deflection then putting up an actual defense.

[Vifam]

There is already a viable case on you and I don't feel the need to repeat what PM said just so you can go "LOL SHUTUP VILLAGE IDIOTS EVERYWHERE OH MY GOD".



Just sit tight and get lynched.

[Vifam]

Anyway, I've re-read, frankly I'm not okay with my play so far in this game since I've been missing a few suspects here and there But whatever, we can salvage this with a Joh lynch.

I don't see any case.

And why do you not want me to defend myself?

There is a case on you, and your "defense" so far has been nothing but petty insults, and it's probably going to continue that way, so why even bother?

[Vifam]

At this rate, it looks like either RedFF or I will be lynched. From what I can tell, we are both town.

Wait... We don't have enough active players to lynch. How many of us are active? 6, 7?

Xeras is TOWN. I want to stab myself for being on this wagon earlier when others way 10x more scummier. Scum wouldn't call their counterwagon town.

Far from it my friend. I'm taking notes here, I like to vary my play.. see what works. Consider this an experiment, if you will.

Hint. It isn't working.

And that is a shitty excuse for playing the way you are playing.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DavidX

Mastin, where is your charisma? Your swagger? Your confidence? I loved your play in Sexy Sedilla, but after the fail lynch you just seemed to take on a whole different air. Please listen to us that the self pity thing, while emotionally stressful, doesn't help us and brings down the mood of the whole game. I am the type of person who rides on other's emotions. If a game is going slow, I probably won't take interest in it and post less often. If a game is full of people who are geared up and ready to fight, chances are everyone is interested.

Do you still believe I am scum? Or that anyone on your early reads list is right?

And I want Mastin's input because he is a player like everyone else (albeit very good) and he hasn't been posting for some time. Not because I intend to sheep him or anything if that is what you think.

I want Mastin's input on this. Who is scummy? Who is town?

If Either Johhog or Oversoul flip scum, Mastin is also town.

[Vifam]

My mind is clear now, every time I posted in this game I was so flustered. But I can see clearly now~~~~~~

[Vifam]

Sweetie, you're missing a few points:

1) I'm town.
2) There is no case.

EXCEPT THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU ARE SCUM, RIGHT??????????????????????

If Either Johhog or Oversoul flip scum, Mastin is also town.

Why?

I know what you're thinking, but I don't think scum would buddy up like that. Too obvious, the way I see it Johhog/Oversoulscum are basically climbing the rafters hoping Mastin's LONGPOSTING would distract any heat from them.

[Vifam]

Plus, scum has no reason to badger their partners the way they're doing it, it's really unnecessary nudging.

[Vifam]

Why do you have a townread on Bomberman?

[Vifam]

You can't be serious.


Johhog dies today.

[Vifam]

Eh, RedFF is scum too, by the way.


Replacing out is null.

[Vifam]

The sensitivity in this game is *ASTOUNDING*.

[Vifam]

Hey, enough with the insults already. IF SOMEONE THINKS YOU ARE SCUM THERE IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO FLIP OUT.


YOU'RE PLAYING MAFIA.

[Vifam]

YOU'RE PLAYING MAFIA.

Nah, I'm not. I wish I could get the chance, but Matt and his clique is determined to stop me from doing that.

God stop whining.

[Vifam]

A few things, I'll explain later, hopefully after a Joh lynch.

[Vifam]

Lurking has been a problem in this game since page 13.

[Vifam]

It's due to an ongoing game.


RedFF is taking it way to seriously.

[Vifam]

I don't think so, we never specified the game.


If we get modkilled, I guess I'm just gonna have to deal with it.

[Vifam]

SIGH.

This day is depressing.

[Vifam]

I've already done it.

[Vifam]

GOD I'M QUICK.

[Vifam]

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT.


YOU WANT PR'S ON YOU?


What the hell kind of softclaim is this?

[Vifam]

PRODGET.


This day needs to end.

[Vifam]

He has a point.

Stuff REALLY needs to happen.

[Vifam]

Posting. Catching up.

[Vifam]

I can't keep up with this game

/

Replace out