New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[Oversoul]

/confirm

[Oversoul]

I'm going to try something:

1: Why do you play Mafia?

==> I love playing games and Mafia is a very intricate game full of deceit, mindgames, and general trickery.

2: How old are you?

==> I would prefer not to say. Yes, I am one of

those

people

3: How would you describe your general thought process?

==> I generally don't have a thought process... I am relatively new to Mafia and don't understand all of the nuances of the game yet, but I will give you a warning, when I come close a lynch I get very emotional. And capslocky.

4: What is your time-zone?

==> East Coast United States so, EST GMT -5 I believe.

5: How do you approach unique problems in need of solution?

==> Elaborate?

6: What is your favorite precious metal, and why?

==> Silver. Gotta keep the werewolves away.

7: How would you approach this game as town?

==> Like I do every other game? Scumhunt.

8: How would you approach this game as scum?

==> LIke I do every other game? Scumhunt.

9: What is your gender?

==> Male.

10: Are you nervous?

==> A little. I am always nervous at the beginning of a game. I hate early day.

11: What is your experience level?

==> Naive. I /in'ed for an ungodly amount of games, am now suffering for it, and have only been here for like a month or tow.

12: What are your strongest emotions?

==> Apathy towards everyone? Passion towards myself. I'm a narcissist.

13: What's your general activity level?

==> I try to be active in all of my games, but being in so many I lose interest in individual games easily. :\

14: What is your plan in this game?

==> Will be revealed later.

15: Which do you prefer: RVS, RQS, or other? (If Other, please explain.)

==> Neither. I don't think they are particularly useful for anything, but they are a necessary must for the game. :\

16: Do you have a reputation? What for?

==> I don't believe so. At least, I don't have a reputation for posting pregnant mammoth posts like you Mastin.

17: Do you prefer playing as town, scum, or other? (If Other, please explain.)

==> I don't have a preference I guess.

18: What are your favorite three roles?

==> Hard decision. I guess I'll get back to you on that.

19: What order are those favorite roles in?

==> Ahh.. now I see the point of this quetionnaire. Either way, I don't believe that the roles we chose and sent into CMAR will have any affect on what role we will get. I generally like redirector roles, though. I like mindfuckery.

20: What is your stance on lurkers?

==>Other than the fact that I am usually one, eh.. they aren't useful. :\

21: How do you plan on catching scum?

==> Looking for cognitive dissonance? I don't know how to answer these questions really.

22: What do these questions mean to you?

==> There is probably some ulterior motive behind them, but I can't really see it.

23: What is the airspeed velocity of a coconut-laden swallow?

==> A shaved coconut or a hairy one? Friction makes a difference.

24: You see someone waving their arms and directing you to go right. How do you respond?

==> Look right. If there is no impending danger move there. Look back at person. Oh fuck. It's a trap.

You are so odd Mastin...

Answers will be in

bold

.

[Oversoul]

Oversoul and Kcdaspot:

Please link me to one recently finished game as both alignments if possible.

I don't have one, unforunately.

I was a part of a perfect town win, though.

What would a massclaim do for us in a closed setup?

[Oversoul]

25A: Do you play more for fun, or more for the thrill of victory?

==> Hmm hard to say. I guess I play for a little of both. Then again, wouldn't getting the victory count as fun? I play to have fun, but I will also play to win. I won't purposely lose for fun.

25B: Your stance aside, do you think others should play with a similar outlook? Explain why or why not.

==> I think other players should play to have fun, but if their version of fun is some demented form of trolling they can leave. Using the words "play to have fun" is so ambiguous and opens up so many options for trolls and griefers to just make the game less fun. Also, people who only play to win can be rather abrasive and hard to play with and I suggest that they inject a little bit of levity into their playstyle.

[Oversoul]

TOWN: Empking
Johog
Vifam
Xeras
Kcdaspot

SCUM: David
Fool Hardy
Secret Project
Oversoul

NULL: Estyn

These reads are a little out-of-date, but I'll update them later. Have to run; be back in a couple of hours.

lol, deja vu.

[Oversoul]

I like this flow. I hereby decide that we won't MC.

VT...oh wait you said won't

Something is not right here. You do this...

I like this flow. I hereby decide that we won't MC.

VT...oh wait you said won't

You do this... yet you

Is putting your reads out a good idea at this stage? I'm sure i read somewhere that telling your reads on people benefits scum more than town because it allows them to see if they are blending in well and potential night targets, afterall why would they NK someone who had been read to be scum

and yet you get mad at Mastin for doing this...

VOTE: Estyn

[Oversoul]

Wow. I am such a dumb ass. Whenever I hit the quote button it always erased my previous words. I didn't realize it took note of that..

fail.

[Oversoul]

And you think Mastin's reads aren't a joke?

And for the record, to save everyone's faces, yes I am a dumb ass. Humor is usually lost on me.

[Oversoul]

I like this flow. I hereby decide that we won't MC.

i think this is right...

Expand

Could say the same for you, Empking.

[Oversoul]

Getting town vibes from Empking.

[Oversoul]

And you think Mastin's reads aren't a joke?

And for the record, to save everyone's faces, yes I am a dumb ass. Humor is usually lost on me.

Correct, i think he based his reads off the 25 questions, why else ask them

Do you agree with any of them?

I'd like to see the analysis (preferably Mastin's) why I am scum based off 25 questions.

[Oversoul]

I like this flow. I hereby decide that we won't MC.

i think this is right...

Expand

hmm...
i think there is a mechanic in play, that gives scum good fakeclaim opportunities.

What makes you say that?

[Oversoul]

Town:
Empking
Kcda
Johhog


Null:
Mastin
The Fools
Secret

Scum:
Vifam
DavidX

[Oversoul]

oops, forgot to add Estyn into my scum list.

[Oversoul]

I hate rvs..


All y'all lurkers, any more thoughts?

[Oversoul]

We're not in RVS. We're in confirmation.

Oversoul; Already accusing people of lurking.

Hell ya.

Also, Vifam is pretty darn scummy.



:troll:

Johhog, Vifam has a point. Why would you call someone out as scummy and not follow through with that statement?

[Oversoul]

And no, I'm not answering your damn questions.

Yes.
You will.

EVERYONE will.

Oh, and btw. Chronos added to town list.

Can I know why I'm scum?

[Oversoul]

Hell ya.

Also, Vifam is pretty darn scummy.



:troll:

I don't understand, why did you do the :troll: thing?

You were on Johhog because he said "darn scummy" so I said the same thing.

[Oversoul]

Can I know why I'm scum?

If everyone answers my questions, then yes.

Otherwise, no.

Cop out.

[Oversoul]

Haters gonna hate

[Oversoul]

TBH i'm not liking oversoul


at all

You are not alone.

Besides otherwise baseless claims, I don't know why I am disliked.

[Oversoul]

Oh, I have no problem with you. I actually like you, as a person.

Just not you, as your role this game. I don't like that part of you.

<3

I like you too, you're aggressive, but not a dick like some other aggressive players and I like that about you. You're still going the wrong way if you want to pursue my lynch. I feel like Sherlock... hated by the very people he is trying to help.

[Oversoul]

mastin i have to say i don't like you much either

mainly cuz of some of your questions

turned out to be stupid on my part

oversoul is scum

Your play has degraded. I don't know if you are just being paranoid or just trying to tunnel me, especially after my revelation. I'm putting you in a null spot now.

[Oversoul]

Over: SK or DX. Who's scummier?

Who is SK?

[Oversoul]

What the hell

[Oversoul]

brainfart lol.

At this moment.... eh. I'm not feeling Kc is town anymore, but DX hasn't done anything to make me think he is town. I don't like him not answering Mastin's questions :\ I'd have to go with Kc at this moment. He just seems to actually act scummy where as DX, other than saying someone did an OMGUS and not answering the questions... hasn't.

And Empking, it is ok. We all have shark week on our minds.

[Oversoul]

OMGUS POWERS ACTIVATE.

Posts like this.

[Oversoul]

Town:
Empking

Kcda

Johhog

my THIS sure went south fast...

It only went as south as you did.

I can't tell if you are being paranoid, or stupid, but your recent play is what I don't like.

[Oversoul]

When you came back from work and started posting your scumspicions on me without providing any reason up until now.

[Oversoul]

I can't believe we were both sent to the corners like our argument was meaningless.


Fuck you guys so hard.

It was meaningless. Your argument transcended the dumb "You aren't playing like X, so you must be Y" meta argument and turned into... an analysis on computer/site usage?

Ya. No thanks.

[Oversoul]

We're not in RVS. We're in confirmation.

Oversoul; Already accusing people of lurking.

Hell ya.

Also, Vifam is pretty darn scummy.



:troll:

Johhog, Vifam has a point. Why would you call someone out as scummy and not follow through with that statement?

You mean this post, Vifam. Ya. Nice misrep, Vifam.

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vifam

For putting words into my mouth and latching onto a piss poor argument to make Johhog seem scummy.

Vifam, where the hell did I agree with you about Johhog about the argument with the online status? I said you had a point that it was odd Johhog would say something and then not follow it.

and at this point, KC is just trolling me.

[Oversoul]

4) Be courteous to your fellow player. This is just a game - please don't bring personal grudges into the game. Try and keep it civil. Though I don’t mind cursing.

Game starts now. It is Day 1. I am going V/LA for 3 days, hopefully my mod hydra will pick up the slack. Visiting Duke!

The amount of cursing one the last page has already given me a distaste for this game. Not to mention many players still aren't confirmed.

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vifam

For putting words into my mouth and latching onto a piss poor argument to make Johhog seem scummy.

Anyway, what are you trying to say here? What piss poor argument?



You just said the whole thing was meaningless on both sides, and now all of sudden I am trying to make HIM look scummy? Why the hell does it go in my direction?

VOTE: Oversoul

It was meangingless for the road you were trying to take.

[Oversoul]

I can't do this...

I just... can't.

I'm being trolled. It is the only answer. I'm getting fucking overtrolled.

[Oversoul]

Indy = Independent, third party, not associated with the Town or the Scum.

Scum = Anti-Town group, linked Win condition, able to converse at Night (And occasionally Day).

I think you need to look up the word "Independent".

Oh Jesus Christ.

[Oversoul]

What're you prattling about now Oversoul?

Anything that is antitown is scum.

Independent is not inherently pro-town. Plus, he implied that you were an SK. That is why he grouped you together into saying both you and Vifam were scum. Have you not seen people categorize third parties as scum before?

[Oversoul]

@Vifam

I'll explain to you in baby words.

I commented on Oversoul's reads, they came from a town perspective, you were scummy and it is not bad to consider it to be so, especially from a noob player.

But then the latest events happened and you are just a VI and oversoul is most likely scum, i wanted to consider the other way around, but there isn't a fathomable reason for it to be so.

Who's alt are you? Or do you have a lot of experience on another site?

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vifam

For putting words into my mouth and latching onto a piss poor argument to make Johhog seem scummy.

Vifam, where the hell did I agree with you about Johhog about the argument with the online status? I said you had a point that it was odd Johhog would say something and then not follow it.

and at this point, KC is just trolling me.

check it

What part of that post is scummy?

And I seem to remember that RC doesn't reveal his alts when he creates them. Either way, I wanted a game with Reaper Charlie. Sadly my search will have to continue.

[Oversoul]

@Vifam
Yes, but the way you have been acting is anti-town, i'm not saying that you aren't right in some situations, i'm just saying you're playing anti-town.

@OS

Was a joke

You're claiming that his accusation is merely putting words into your mouth, when you yourself stated that you agreed to one of his points, but you didn't see it that way, so basically it's a different perspective argument.

I said you had a point that it was odd Johhog would say something and then not follow it.

quote for proof

I agreed that it seemed ODD that Johhog would say someone was darn scummy and then not follow through on that comment. Vifam then started his "you were on, I saw your name, yet you said you were going to bed" nonsense. He then said I SUPPORTED HIM WITH HIS CASE AGAINST JOHHOG, WHICH I NEVER SAID. That is why I said he was putting words in my mouth.

Oh ya, not declaring your main account = anti town to some.

[Oversoul]

I can agree with the presidential candidate he takes during a campaign run, does that mean I support that candidate?

[Oversoul]

fail.

I can agree with a point that a presidential candidate takes during a campaign run, does that mean I support that candidate?

[Oversoul]

different perspective

Ok then, how does that make me scummy since it is a different perspective?

[Oversoul]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

THAT'S THE ONLY ARGUMENT YOU ARE PRESENTING.

FUCK THIS TOWN.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Oversoul

rid myself of this cancer of a game

[Oversoul]

I left this window open in another tab while I farted around on YouTube.

[Oversoul]

I am here again.

UNVOTE:

Can't believe it took a self vote on myself for you all to realize that I'm not scum.

KC/Bomberman, what questions do I have to answer?

[Oversoul]

^scummy. I actually won't unvote right now after that post. You really think it's acceptable to selfvote to "prove" that you're town? That looks either VI or scum motivated.

I really don't care what you think about it. I literally could do nothing except vote for myself at that point.

[Oversoul]

Lolwut? You couldn't do anything except selfvote? Stop the justification, selfvoting can never be good during these circumstances.

What do you want from me? People were asking for answers to questions that hadn't even been asked. I assumed they wanted answers for my self vote.

[Oversoul]

Why did you play against your wincon, assuming that you're town?

Because you're all playing against your wincon by lynching me.

[Oversoul]

Why did you play against your wincon, assuming that you're town?

Because you're all playing against your wincon by lynching me.

Actually, I can't even say that because there could be scum on my opportunity wagon.

For now I am assuming all of them to be town, though.

[Oversoul]

So, we are going against our wincon voting you.


But selfvoting is A-OK.

What the hell.

I realize the hypocrisy, but I wasn't thinking straight when I did it. I was frustrated and wanted to have none of it with this town, so I self voted.

Can we please scum hunt now that we have passed that bridge?

[Oversoul]

Sure, I'll just put that down as a desperate townie move.



We should wagon Bomberman.

I agree. His vote on me looks particularly opportunistic.

VOTE: Bomberman

[Oversoul]

Sure, I'll just put that down as a desperate townie move.



We should wagon Bomberman.

Day 1 has only recently started, quick lynching is not beneficial for town so we should slow down a bit, no need to wagon anybody at this stage

How else are we supposed to get reads and interactions? Your nervousness about 2 votes on Bomberman only makes me think that you are a possible scum buddy.

[Oversoul]

Btw, where the fuck is CMAR and sorasgoof? We would really need one of them now.

CMAR said he would be on a 3 day V/LA in thread. Sorasgoof has been MIA for a long time.

[Oversoul]

Was about to say.. if making little sense makes me town, then let me get my whisky..

Minor question, since I'm typing anyway.. do Hydras have to distinguish themselves as a Hydra, or are they allowed to withhold that fact?

It depends on the game moderator. People find it scummy to withhold who is in a hydra, for easier meta analysis, but hyrdae aren't explicitly told they must out their heads.

[Oversoul]

Hmm. I don't know :\, who do you think is a hydra?

[Oversoul]

The email implies the player is from Michigan and is 17/16 years old.

Anyone know a particular player who fits that description? Although, I don't really care about meta and don't know why I am going to this length to get the person outted. :\

I still think their actions are scummy and at this point I wouldn't mind their lynch.

[Oversoul]

You never gave me any questions to answer when you asked me about them. I would have obliged you, but you never did.

I think I said this before, right now, I would not mind if we lynched Bomberman.

[Oversoul]

Better watch your back, DonJosh.

[Oversoul]

Skimming is cool

1. Empking - Town
2. Kcdaspot - Null leaning town
3. Estyn - Town
4. Xeras - Town
5. Foolish Fool (Haylen + JordanA24) - Null
6. mastin2 - Null
7. Vifam - VI
8. BomberMan -

Indy aligned town

9. Fool_Hardy - Don't care
10. David Xanatos - Indy aligned scum
11. Oversoul - Scum
12. MintKitten - Don't care
13. whiTE_Teaz - Don't care
14. LordChronos - Town
15. Johhog - Town
16. LTP Mafia - Scum
17. Secret Project (evilpacman18 + MrBump) - Town
18. donkwich - Don't care
19. lewarcher82 - replaced out
20. redFF - Don't care

Also, Bomberman, wtf is this?

[Oversoul]

Are you implying that DonJosh is Bomberman or that I would beat up DonJosh's family?

I am dyslexic, sorry.

I meant Johhog, better watch your back.

If DJ was Bomberman, he would be modkilled.

[Oversoul]

Wow, that is a good catch. VERY GOOD CATCH.

Foolish Fool already caught that.

I guess I can't read either, Johhog, lol

[Oversoul]

Can we all vote SP now?

Bomberman is still leagues scummier than SP at the moment. I feel like everyone is blowing things out of proportion. Estyn's joke was bound to have someone ask so you're not VT at some point, which is why I don't think those types of jokes should be made, at least, not during the actual game.

[Oversoul]

I did feel that Kc was particularly scummy when he was voting me and pushing my bs wagon, but after thinking about it with a clear head, he is right. There wasn't a town reason to self vote.

For now at least, I am content with a Bomberman lynch. I don't feel like SP is scum for his question toward Estyn, and Kc I think was just following a trail.

[Oversoul]

I am about done with Bomberman as well too. Either is a bad played trying to be scum, or he is a troll. I can deal without his attitude.

UNVOTE: Oversoul
VOTE: Bomberman

fucking god grow up you ever seen xRECKONERx , Fate , etc. play?

So you are trying to emulate their play? Just because you are playing like a popular person doesn't mean that people

like

that playstyle. They like the personality.

[Oversoul]

no you fucking moron i'm just playing like i play goddamn, you guys are fucking retarded and still trying to find reasoning to

obvious

things when they're right there; i have found one sign of intelligence here and it seems most of you probably just follow Vi's how to play mafia.

ad hominem but jesus christ do something fucking else

FTFY.

[Oversoul]

I wish fate and DGB were in this...

It would be so much easier to show that bombers town.

Great job. Most pro town player. Gone.

If it wasn't now it would be later. Bomberman obviously has issues with certain people on this site if already left once and returned looking for a better game. The fact that he returned on an alt always says that people had issues with

him

.

[Oversoul]

OH THATS IT.

/REPLACE

Have fun jacking off to your egos assholes.

Are you serious? What more could we do? The action was already done. I am pretty sure you can't take back replacement warnings like you can a vote.

[Oversoul]

He flew off the handle rather quickly and I am pretty sure no one who was questioning him expected him to flip a shit like that. Not even my shit flipping was that bad.

Oh, you're back? I thought you left already.

The way you answered probably confirms that there is trouble in your past.

Also, what you just said proves that you are lieing. Before you said, I never confirmed alt or hydra. When in fact, you stated you used your email for a hydra, and you just now said you made an alt.

Either way, Lynch all Liars or scummy behavior, I don't like your slot.

[Oversoul]

not a warning. i'm done with you idiots.

You attract flies with honey, not vinegar.

Pedit: Foolish Fool, I am honestly not mad, just surprised at how people can let this get to them that easily. Yes, that is hypocritical from me, but I had hope the town would come to mind.

[Oversoul]

At this point you're just spamming the thread. Take it to my pm if you have a grievance with me.

[Oversoul]

Are you serious?

[Oversoul]

We can't even play this game properly because not everyone is playing.

UNVOTE:

I will say that two of my scum reads have replaced out and that is making me rethink things.

redFF I find null-scum.
Xeras I find null-town. :\

[Oversoul]

oh whoops i only ctr+f redff in his posts derp. Still he only said that after i called him out on saying he had a scumread on me. tbh i actually think that right now scumteam is oversoul johhog SR and vifam lol...

You're ridiculous.

[Oversoul]

You guys are fucking retarded. Empking is probably scum for that move. I'll claim, but you guys are being retarded. Also, DruidMuncher, since people had posted a lot during the confirmation stage I couldn't tell when the brisk game started.

I know I am goin to get shit for this, but whatever, did the scum get talking abilities during the confirmation stage?

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Empking

If I wasn't on partial vla I would be flipping a shit wverywere. No, I am in the middle of fucking nowhere with my crap iPhone.

[Oversoul]

*sigh*

4 days and 6 hours since last Mastinpost. Any odds on how likely it is that he flakes?

And yeah, he's even posting in NY137.

My best guess as to why he is not active in this thread is the fact that he doesn't like the playerlist.

And Empking, who the hell does a lynch for lols? You haven't really contributed and then you go and pull that move. But no, everyone finds you town...

[Oversoul]

And Empking, who the hell does a lynch for lols? You haven't really contributed and then you go and pull that move. But no, everyone finds you town...

This is scum whining if anybody is curious.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: Xeras

I guess we-who-don't-want-to-quicklynch-Oversoul shall be united. Let's try this wagon instead then.

wtf ur voteswitching and randomly trying to start bandwagons. What is going on. I almost feel like you are oversoul's scumbuddy trying to swing the lynch but that would be too easy :O

This. When I die, (if I do, that is) After my death, people should target Oversoul, Johhog, and Vifam.

These are the people that look the most likely to be scum imho. Though, it is day one, so I might be wrong. =/

Might is an understatement.

[Oversoul]

I don't find Xeras to particularly scummy. I see him more of a newbie than scum.

However, I do not like RedFF's play so far.

[Oversoul]

I'm posting as me for right now, because I need to find the password to the hydra, but rest assured that the game isn't being dumped. Quite honestly, I assumed CMAR was going to handle the game and I'd step in if I were notified, but apparently I assumed wrong. Sorry for any problems this mix-up has caused.

I think you both thought that and that was why CMAR went AWOL.

[Oversoul]

Yay. Finally this game can start.

[Oversoul]

I feel like half of this is my fault... Kinda made Bman and KCD leave the game. :/

[Oversoul]

Why am I in red?

I'm not active cause it is kinda pointless at this moment because we need 7 replacements... And the others aren't active either.

[Oversoul]

And why am I scum exactly?

[Oversoul]

Far from it my friend. I'm taking notes here, I like to vary my play.. see what works. Consider this an experiment, if you will.

Hint. It isn't working.

And that is a shitty excuse for playing the way you are playing.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DavidX

Mastin, where is your charisma? Your swagger? Your confidence? I loved your play in Sexy Sedilla, but after the fail lynch you just seemed to take on a whole different air. Please listen to us that the self pity thing, while emotionally stressful, doesn't help us and brings down the mood of the whole game. I am the type of person who rides on other's emotions. If a game is going slow, I probably won't take interest in it and post less often. If a game is full of people who are geared up and ready to fight, chances are everyone is interested.

Do you still believe I am scum? Or that anyone on your early reads list is right?

[Oversoul]

I remember why I hated this game.

[Oversoul]

I'll never EVER understand why people get angry over getting fos'd, it's mafia, it's to be expected, are you really that sensitive?


I have to do a reread of this thread, I guess.

It isn't the FoSing that has me mad, it is the idiotic reasoning that people use to justify their accusations that get me mad. That and no one listens to me.

[Oversoul]

I am going on V/LA until Monday. Thank you.

[Oversoul]

I have been prodded, with a fiery hot iron stick. I need my baton to beat DruidMuncher.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Johhog

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Red

I believe Johhog and would rather direct his kill to prove his towniness.

Johhog, if RedFF isn't lynched today who are you going to shoot tonight? Or rather, shoot out of your top 3 scumspects you don't have to make it public which one you will choose, just as long as you list them.

[Oversoul]

running out of the door, sorry for being so behind in this game

been really busy

[Oversoul]

Vote: LC

- If the mafia did their part then we should do the same.

Seriously? Wow, Empking. Wow.

Anyway, VOTE: Lewarcher/replacement

I'll divulge my reasons as to why later. Gotta go for now.

[Oversoul]

I got a positive result from my Gunsmith investigation on Lewarcher. So he is mafia.

Otolia is also likely mafia if not for the hypocritical "Why are you voting Johhog, Hoppster?" and then the "Johhog needs to die". Would be happy with either of their lynches today.

Secret Project does look scummy, but I don't think he had scummy intentions with his posts yesterday.

Townier than town:
Mastin
Hoppster

Probably town:
Bvoigt

Scum:
Lewarcher
Otolia

Do not want:
LLD (Bman's actions are super bad)

pedit:

Redff, read thread plox?

[Oversoul]

I don't know. I realized I had forgotten to send in an action and from just glancing at the thread I didn't feel any real "meh" people to try and confirm (I feel confident in Otolia scum so I didn't want to waste the shot on him). I wanted to get one of the inactives so people would not try to push or not to push for the lurker status.

But I just realized that Lewarcher may not be mafia. >___< I thought gunsmith was flavor for cop and din't realize it was an actual role that claims positives from all roles that have "guns". >_> Now I am less sure of Lewscum now that there is a chance he may be a powerrole. (thank you to Druid for pointing that out in pm :p)

[Oversoul]

ebwop: oh and I don't want anymore outted prs in case something stupid (like me) happens.

[Oversoul]

Just FTR, I realise that outing and lynching are different terms. It was an easy mistake for me to make, considering I was thinking about Oversoul outing himself, the fact that another PR may have been outed, etc.

The Gunsmith isn't a guilty though. Lew could be scum, but he could also be cop/vig/another gunsmith/some other PR with a gun, and given that he hasn't posted, there's no way to tell either way. Considering we've already lynched Johhog, I'm quite wary of lynching another important PR today. Though I can see that the lynching to confirm Oversoul / possibly hit scum could be good for us.

I get the fact that scum want to out PRs, but I don't see how that applies in that case, even if we are to take it as being what I meant to say. Unless you're talking about scum getting overexcited and just dropping it into their post by accident, which just seems silly.

This... I don't want to lynch who could be the odd night vig, or a cop, which are very powerful town roles especially because he isn't there to claim.

I would much rather we lynch Otolia is legitimately scummy, and I would like to give Lew'd replacement a chance.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Otolia

Mod, can we have priority on a Lewarcher replacement?

[Oversoul]

David, stop trying to out guess the mod and make broad assumptions. Leaving Lewarcher at this moment in the game is the best mce for town. I don't want to lynch another town PR like yesterday. Lewarcher alive gives WIFOM to the mafia. If we lynch him, I am surely going to die tonight.

Otolia is actually scummy especially with his fail hammer and his horrible play today. If Lew isn't dead tomorrow, and I am we can safely assume that he is more likely mafia.

I shouldn't have even made the claim. >_> I have such bad foresight.

[Oversoul]

To be totally honest, I kind of cheated with the Lew investigation. I saw him post something in one of the discussion forums about how he dislikes being mafia because of the work involved and he switched out immediately of this game so I thought I would take a chance at it.

I am probably going to investigate either Empking or DavidX tonight.

[Oversoul]

aw

its okay emp

You are fucking retarded and obv scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hiplop

[Oversoul]

God damn it, Hiplop. Did you even read the damn QT?

[Oversoul]

And it is a neighborhood...

[Oversoul]

Oversoul, Hip, Hopp, Pacman scumteam? It'd require a gambit. Do you think they'd do that?

Thanks for claiming scumteam with Hiplop.

There is no townie reason that Hiplop would avoid the Neighborhood completely, out EVERYONE, and then buddy your shit.

[Oversoul]

Oh and Hoppster and Pacman are confirmed town, but whatever. Not that it fucking matters.

[Oversoul]

I read the qt?

You posted in it? NOPE.

You need rope if not for your incredibly stupid claim.

Empking, please stop rolefishing. Just fucking trust me god damn it.

[Oversoul]

EPM please hammer. I see you lurking.

[Oversoul]

Vote: Pac

Are you fucking retarded?

VOTE: Otolia

Empking is his scumbuddy.

Awesome job Bvoigt.

[Oversoul]

what do we think of the oversoul/hoppster/secret project "mason circle"? I think it could be worth it to look into these guys and maybe lynch into those 3 today.

also complimenting doctor/bodyguard is a scumtell.

Are you guys seriously fucking retarded?

Why would Hiplop, as scum, out all three of us if we were the scum group together?

Or do you think there are two mafia groups, which there clearly isn't.

He did that so that the mafia would know to shoot in the now confirmed town neighbor group.

[Oversoul]

WHO DO YOU THINK I HAVE A RESULT ON

/peeved

and the reason that I know everyone is confirmed town in the qt is that when Lew's slot was absent

immediately on day 1 when I was getting pressured I claimed gunsmith in the qt so they would get off my back.

I didn't die that night.

yesterday, hiplop claimed everyone in the qt. Why would he have to do that as scum if there was scum already in the qt? USE FUCKING LOGIC

[Oversoul]

Two scum groups... 1 night kill each night... ya...

[Oversoul]

I received a positive result on Otolia.

Everyone should be voting him now.

There are no second groups or Serial Killers as there hasn't been a second kill all game.

I claimed gunsmith on day 1, when Lew was not in the game. I didn't die night 1. Hiplop claimed who was in the neighborhood because there would be no other way to tell his scum team. Therefore we are all confirmed.

You can choose to not trust me, but Hoppster and EPM are confirmed.

[Oversoul]

Why did you choose to watch those two?

I choosed Xeras because he prod-dodged quite a few times in D1, he wasn't the only one that's for sure but he was there from the beginning. Giving that scum have less incentives to leave (due to their role being statistically less received), I read that as a scum.

Next day is fairly normal, since hiplop obviously throw his Neighbors under the bus, I assume someone who come to see one of them. Giving that the scum was more likely to kill Oversoul and a Doctor more likely to protect him (and I have no way to distinguish any of them) I choose to watch another player.

I am honestly puzzled by Oversoul saying.

It is literally impossible for that claim to be true.

And why if I may asked ? Because you say so ?

I don't buy your claim for a second Otolia. Your play has been horrible, your hammer illogical (you could have confirmed Johhog's ability), and your actions completely nonsensical. SERIOUSLY? You didn't want to watch me because you might out the doctor? How much sense does that make? You can narrow your suspects down to 2 people and then use legitimate scumhunting to choose the actual mafia of those 2.

VOTE: Otolia

Watcher is a mighty fine role to fakeclaim. Too bad I have a result on you. Unless of course you want to argue that there is a bus driver or redirector.

[Oversoul]

Our word is law. :p

[Oversoul]

L-1 no one hammer until we get a check in from the mod. I am asking him something.

UNVOTE:

Once the mod gets back to me I will hammer Otolia

[Oversoul]

I investigated redFF last night and received a negative result.

Everyone in the neighborhood thought that one of Ironhead vs Fatlikepig was scum, but we couldn't come to an agreement on which person it was.

Hoppster and I had gut scum reads on Foolish Fool, but they aren't here.

Mod, at the time of this post, is Foolish Fool up for a prod?

Hoppster and I were coordinating our night actions (we were using his JK as a roleblocker) and we have a few results.

Night 1:
Jailed DavidX
Investigated Lew - Positive

Night 2:
Jailed Empking
Investigated Otolia - Positive

Night 3:
We had problems with activity in the neighborhood. He said he would jail Xeras but I don't know if he was actually there to send in the action.
Investigated redFF - Negative

We have town reads on Mastin and TOG.

We suspect Xeras, but we don't know whether or not he was actually jailed by Hoppster and because Hoppster is dead the mod isn't telling us. :\

1.

Empking

2.

Xeras

(gonna put him as town for the sake of analysis)
3. Foolish Fool
4.

mastin2

5. Vifam
6. Lady Lambadelta
7. projectmatt
8.

David Xanatos

9.

Oversoul

10. Ironhead
11.

TOGTFO

12. fatlikepig
13.

evilpacman18

14.

redFF

This leaves us with a nice little group of people we can scumhunt out of..

Personally, I do not like Foolish Fool, but that is mostly gut.

We think one of Fatlikepig vs Ironhead is scum, but not sure which.

I personally do not like Empking's play, but he has semi confirmed towniness. :\

Opinions?

Likely to be 2 or 3 scum left.

[Oversoul]

I feel like everyone is town in this damn game lol.

Mastin, VCA on Johhog, please?

[Oversoul]

No...

Gunsmith is... if you are a role with a gun, i.e. any maifa role, cop, vigilante, etc, you will show up as a positive from a Gunsmith scan.

Serial Killers are the only killing roles to not appear positive from a Gunsmith scan.

[Oversoul]

Ya. That post, Ironhead. Kinda ruined my confidence in you.

[Oversoul]

Confidence in that I thought Iron was more likely town in Fat vs Iron, but that most recent post makes me think otherwise.

[Oversoul]

@GM: Can one of the deceased town-affiliated players come back in for these two roles? I can't see how Hoppster or bvoigt would have inside information that would prohibit them coming back to plug these gaps in the roster.

Didn't even see this part of his post.

Ironhead looks like a pretty intelligent player, but he doesn't understand the inherently gamebreaking status of this? It would either confirm or deny one of those slots as town, which would be a direct intervention at the hands of the mod. Pretty sure that isn't going to happen lol.

And why aren't there more comments about my reads?

For all intents and purposes, EPM and I are a masonry (despite his play).

[Oversoul]

You looked like scum? Why else would I check anyone? lmao.

There has only been 1 kill a night, I don't understand why you think there is an SK, Ironhead. You are a very skeptical player, Ironhead. Probably one of the most skeptical I have played with actually. Anyway, I can't possibly be scum because of Hiplop's actions anyway so that isn't a good point.

I didn't realize having others replace into another slot in a game they died in was actually a common occurrence. O_o

Empking, would you like to post more than one line at a time? It is incredibly frustrating trying to read you when you always do that.

[Oversoul]

Cheeky little fish.

[Oversoul]

For what reason, Emp?

[Oversoul]

I doubt it. Empking is being skeptical -- which is pro-town

oic, when I'm skeptical it's scummy, when Emp does it it's pro-town.

k.

I was talking about this. Even if it seems innocent enough... it feels like something else. Though I still haven't found the rhythm of this game, so it could just be a bad gut feeling.

Vote: EvilPacman

If I were a cop, I definitely would play differently that I would as a vanilla townie.

You're either a godfather or stupid.

Project Matt, what are your reads?

Same goes for your, David?

[Oversoul]

Because you are lurking.

Why is everyone uppity about Mastin? His activity is about on par with a lot of other people...

[Oversoul]

I can't make up my mind on who to vote. :\ I want to vote Ironhead but others disagree?

[Oversoul]

Hehe, Mastin. Our reads align so much. ._. It is scary.

The amount of prods I have received in this game is unnatural. I am sorry to have put you through this, Sorasgoof.

[Oversoul]

Also, Mastin, let us make this like Sedilla. (sorry for killing you in Brightest Day btw. Been wanting to tell you that for a looonnnnggg time).

[Oversoul]

Nobody Special, I am *always* stingy with my vote.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Ironhead

I really should have investigated Iron/Fat. Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20

Tog, why the rolefish? I received a result of negative.

[Oversoul]

I honestly don't understand the case on Iron, in fact, I believe he towntold at least a little bit before, but I'm willing to listen. I can address your "case" on me, however..

That point is moot considering townies can scumtell when they aren't scum.

Also, it is about Mastin wanting to be right. He has an inferiority complex and wants to make up for all of his past mistakes in order to be absolved. (i say this with love, Mastin)

[Oversoul]

We have daytalk. Mastin isn't scum for assuming that, but I do have a contrary opinion about it. I'll present myself later. I will give you all time to look for the basis of my explanation.

iso

[Oversoul]

I admit that Hoppster protected me and I faked that result. I think that Foolish tried to kill me >_> Either way I don't think they are town and I am glad I had suspicions of them.

Roleblock or a rolecop are really the only possible things Foolish could have done last night and none of them are pro town abilities.

TOG, don't defend me please. Do it to Evilpacman.

TOG, I also would have liked you to remain quiet today, but whatever. Nice catch on Foolish.

Mastin, since Iron is hammered, the scum don't have daytalk. Hiplop would not have needed to out the neighborhood publicly if they did have daytalk. That was what I alluded to earlier.

[Oversoul]

Yes I have concluded that Foolish Fool is scum. She dies tomorrow.

[Oversoul]

I don't really follow what anyone says, Fat. sorry. Your eagerness is noted though.

[Oversoul]

Scumhunting tips for you guys going into night:

Foolish Fool is most likely a Mafia Roleblocker, which is why they killed Hoppster. She isn't a rolecop because I had already claimed and it would be stupid for scum to waste their time on that.. Roleblocker means that Hoppster's "confirms" aren't totally confirmed. redFF is thus not totally confirmed because I faked a town result on him.

Scum would have to have known this coming into today so are probably rolefishing me (like TOG, but TOG is town so whatever) and would act differently towards my redFF read. I probably should have faked a guilty. That would have been a pretty good indicator.

In short:

Look for buddying with Otolia and Foolish Fool (and most likely Iron when he flips)
Look for cognitive dissonance that I was lieing about my innocent on redFF

[Oversoul]

I don't get why everyone hates your play. We've owned scum twice now.

[Oversoul]

What the hell is this... do we have an SK or something?

VOTE: ProjectMatt

[Oversoul]

Whoever killed Pine is like confirmed town

[Oversoul]

Whoever killed Pine is like confirmed town

Hence, why they shouldn't claim, though I have a decent idea for who they are.

Anyway. VOTE: Project Matt. Pretty sure this'll end the game in a town win.

Hm.

I foresee that I will be lynched today, and I will admit that it's fair. My play yesterday was close to something good and then it fell down a cliff. I had Ironhead pinned down and then I second guessed myself and tried to push on someone who is likely to be town. I do that quite a lot. However, I'm still going to make an effort to look for the scum, especially today given that I probably don't have a lot of time left. I believe that Mastin, David, Empking, Pig and Oversoul are town. Those are my strongest reads. Now, that leaves:

Xeras
Nobody Special (replaced Vifam, and Vifam was a previous town lean.)
Thor665 (Probable.)
TOGTFO (town lean as well, though this read is a little shaky.)
evilpacman18 (Not sure.)
redFF (Leaning town as well.)

So if all of my town leans are correct, that would leave:

Xeras
Thor
Evil

if they aren't correct, it leaves six different names. How many scum would there be in a game with this many amount of players? 5? 6? I can't imagine any more then six, and we already have four down. I feel that even with my lynch, the town still has this victory, though while writing this post I realize that I probably shouldn't give up just because I screwed up yesterday.

Oversoul, please repeat all of your investigations again, specifically today's.

The justification you give for some of those reads is baffling. What is even more baffling is the fact that you list Evil as scum. I'll claim and stuff tomorrow. Sleep.

[Oversoul]

Whoever killed Pine is like confirmed town

Hence, why they shouldn't claim, though I have a decent idea for who they are.

Anyway. VOTE: Project Matt. Pretty sure this'll end the game in a town win.

Xeras
Nobody Special (replaced Vifam, and Vifam was a previous town lean.)
Thor665 (Probable.)
TOGTFO (town lean as well, though this read is a little shaky.)
evilpacman18 (Not sure.)
redFF (Leaning town as well.)

So if all of my town leans are correct, that would leave:

Xeras
Thor
Evil

Here are the problems that I have with Matt's reads.

They are weak and uncertain. TOG as a shaky town read? Are you serious dude? He basically outted Foolish Fool as a scum power role? EPM as a not sure? When I have been vouching for his towniness all game? Thor as a probable town when that slot replaced out in a fit of rage?

I have successfully found the vig and it is between two people. If this game doesn't end with your lynch, ProjectMatt, then it may be a serial killer, and the list gets bigger.

I got a guilty on Matt last night.

Fat, I said one of Ironhead or you is town and the other is scum. WELL....

[Oversoul]

That was the hammer.

[Oversoul]

Are you fucking serious David? Yes. Let me tell you. I fucking claimed a guilty on two of my teammates, one was a lurker with literally NO SUSPICION on him, implicated another one and essentially outted the fourth as a roleblocker?

Let me tell you.

We have a serial killer or some such shit.

[Oversoul]

Also, WHY THE FUCK WOULD A DAMN MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER IF I WAS FUCKING MAFIA MEMBER VISIT ME?

LOGIC FAIL YOU ARE MOST LIKELY THE DAMN SERIAL KILLER. FUCK OFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE DAMN MAFIA HAVE A FRAMER OR WHAT BUT I AM NOT CLAIMING ANYMORE SHIT UNLESS I HAVE TO

[Oversoul]

VOTE: David

[Oversoul]

Negative on Empking. David is likely the SK for wanting a gunsmith to investigate him. His play has also been relatively scummy and I took the roleblock from Hoppster to be relatively safe assumption he was town but it would make sense that he did not get to kill someone then.

Vote David.

[Oversoul]

I concluded that the kill must have been either from Thor or NS (PGO/VIG) but since it is clear that it is a serial killer that has expanded to include Xeras and Empking and David. You were calling redFF town the other day when I claimed a fake innocent on him.

David I feel like is probably the SK...

Fucking SKs.

You said you claimed you knew where the shot on Pine came from yesterday, is it redFF?

mastin, please for the love of god no. Trust me. it isn't Evil.

[Oversoul]

Why wouldn't SK kill the JK and just run it off as oh the scum in the neighborhood must have leaked?

[Oversoul]

Ya. I am almost positive it is David. Please follow me with this Mastin. I will do a full reveal to Evil tonight and if he doesn't post my full reveal after I die tonight then you guys can lynch him, but I highly highly highly doubt that he is SK. After I die my mood when I get my whiny after death post should be enough indication of my feelings.

Mass claim? Although I feel like everyone is going to claim VT

Thank you David.

I was going to say that the SK is likely a Ninja... but... ya...

[Oversoul]

ebwop: Thank you Mastin sorry

The only thing I cannot explain is the Third Night's results... Both of the roleblockers were on me + a watcher unless the SK isn't compulsive or the SK *is* a ninja which is highly likely.

[Oversoul]

Mastin, here is my thought process, smack me up if I am crazy

David + Empking JK definitely fucked the SK. Hoppster announced who he was going to investigate ahead of time. Why would EPM let his ability go through on one of those considering he was an SK? Or even a compulsive SK? Why wouldn't he kill the JK when he obviously felt threatened by Pine who was a scumrole blocker (also, you fucked up there SK, he was a guranteed mislynch for your self aligned faction the next day. You got greedy with a kill worrying).

David, has been playing SKETCHY was eager to be investigated by a Gunsmith and was Jailkept. Empking being the likely target of a night 2 SK attack is likely because Empking ALSO displayed interest in wanting to be investigated perhaps because he could be a godfather. I doubt it though and Empking just plays like that. PLUS, David hammered yesterday with a guilty to hopefully end the chance of a kill attempt on him + he tried to latch onto a mislynch for me.

[Oversoul]

I agree with that order you posted. I am looking in the QT for any discernible nuggets of information that can help us but I am like 80% sure that David is an SK most likely with ninja ability cause of the watchers.

[Oversoul]

I didn't think about that possiblity, Mastin. I assumed that scum could only double action if they were the last one and at that time Ironhead and Pine were still alive. If Pine did submit both actions that would allow for the other stray roleblock. If Pine did not submit both actions that means I was likely roleblocked (and they killed Hoppster, you are strecthing out the actions over more nights mastin, Hoppster protected me and died the same night Pine targetted me and TOG watched me).

[Oversoul]

Mastin, our neighborhood was awesome as fuck this game. Scum had a snowball's chance in hell. Wish you could have been in it.

[Oversoul]

If that was a sarcastic confession and/or scumslip, then DavidX did the same thing. He said he was trying something out.

DavidX could have visited me if he was a Ninja SK (Chkflip just recently won as that I believe so it is not uncommon) the night EVERYONE targetted me. If DavidX isn't the SK I will seriously be lost. O_o

I also believe that David was absent for that time period though... and Oblivious had priority on all the scum, why wouldn't he have priority on the SK most of all (for replacements?).

[Oversoul]

Thor Comments?

[Oversoul]

It didn't look like there was an SK at the point of that post iirc and it would have just been useless setup speculation. If DavidX is not the SK I will allow EPM to move very high up on Mastin's list.

pedit:

God damn that post was so very scummy. So very scummy.

[Oversoul]

ebwop: That post in 1614 is reffering to NS's post

Ya, at the time of EPM's "why is there SK talk post?" Hoppster had just died and it was Day 4. There was literally no information implying an SK was present in the setup. :\ usually the SK isn't *that* bad.

[Oversoul]

ODM gives me the SK I pay good money.

[Oversoul]

gives it to me gives it to me!!

[Oversoul]

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? I can see mastin not being on the list, but I trust him and doubt he would be so deceptive. BUT ME? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING?

[Oversoul]

We started as a neighborhood.

[Oversoul]

Don't worry. I am not trying to deceive you. All will be revealed shortly upon David's death when he flips as the SK.

[Oversoul]

Xeras, why exactly am I scum? Because my guilty on Projectmatt wasn't a guilty?

I have already given you reasons as to why I cannot be scum (why would the roleblocker target me? why would I needlessly out 3 of my partners?, etc) and can you please vote David so that he has pressure to claim.

Why was TOG lynchbait? He fucking caught Pine. Xeras, there are 2 kills 5 nights with the first 2 nights definitely foiling the SK's kill attempts either by direct roleblock (David) or by protecting the victim (Empking).

I also cannot be the SK as I would have completely avoided the JK and his targets if I was the SK...

[Oversoul]

could os be an sk gunsmith? I don't know who he checked the night pine was killed and last night.

vote: projectmatt

also epm you are making it very difficult to trust you and os with this your only post of yesterday.

Fuck you guys. God damn. I got roleblocked the night Pine died and Matt was my last scum member choice from Ironhead v Fat, Foolish Fool, and Matt so I faked a guilty on him. I didn't think there would be a damn SK in the set up.

I have already proven that I am not the SK and neither is EPM, he voted for him because we had a lengthy decision on who to investigate/fake guilty if I got roleblocked.

Yes I lied when I said "damn framer" but that was only because I didn't know if there was another scum member alive or not and I wanted to test reactions just like I was testing reactions by saying "oh whoever killed Pine is confirmed town".

DX is the only logical choice left and I would appreciate it if you derps wouldn't vote me. :\

[Oversoul]

Well I thought Matt was the last scum so I thought it was worth it. :\

[Oversoul]

Vote David though please.

[Oversoul]

Frankly I'd level the SK line at him. It's not unheard of for the SK to, instead of being BP or similar, be given a method of finding those with NK actions. Gunsmith would fit that to the letter, as it would detect Vigs and Mafia.

VOTE: David Xanatos

As interesting as that would be, I'm not an SK. It is likely that the SK is compulsive but has failed in their first 3 kill attempts. And to whoever said that there is a ninja + gunsmith immune SK.... That is the whole point of the gunsmith. SKs do not register to gunsmith results. There are false positives.

I swear to god if you aren't the SK.

[Oversoul]

I investigated redFF last night and received a negative result.

Everyone in the neighborhood thought that one of Ironhead vs Fatlikepig was scum, but we couldn't come to an agreement on which person it was.

Hoppster and I had gut scum reads on Foolish Fool, but they aren't here.

Mod, at the time of this post, is Foolish Fool up for a prod?

Hoppster and I were coordinating our night actions (we were using his JK as a roleblocker) and we have a few results.

Night 1:
Jailed DavidX
Investigated Lew - Positive

Night 2:
Jailed Empking
Investigated Otolia - Positive

Night 3:
We had problems with activity in the neighborhood. He said he would jail Xeras but I don't know if he was actually there to send in the action.
Investigated redFF - Negative

We have town reads on Mastin and TOG.

We suspect Xeras, but we don't know whether or not he was actually jailed by Hoppster and because Hoppster is dead the mod isn't telling us. :\

1.

Empking

2.

Xeras

(gonna put him as town for the sake of analysis)
3. Foolish Fool
4.

mastin2

5. Vifam
6. Lady Lambadelta
7. projectmatt
8.

David Xanatos

9.

Oversoul

10. Ironhead
11.

TOGTFO

12. fatlikepig
13.

evilpacman18

14.

redFF

This leaves us with a nice little group of people we can scumhunt out of..

Personally, I do not like Foolish Fool, but that is mostly gut.

We think one of Fatlikepig vs Ironhead is scum, but not sure which.

I personally do not like Empking's play, but he has semi confirmed towniness. :\

Opinions?

Likely to be 2 or 3 scum left.

Night 1
Hoppster Jailkept DavidX
Oversoul investigated Lew, received positive

Night 2
Hoppster Jailkept Empking
Oversoul investigated Otolia, received positive

Night 3
Hoppster Jailkept Oversoul
Oversoul investigated no one
Pine Roleblocked Oversoul
TOG watched Oversoul, saw Hoppster and Pine visit Oversoul

Night 4
Pine Roleblocked Oversoul
Oversoul Investigates Projectmatt, receives no result

Night 5
Oversoul Investigated Empking, received negative

If DavidX is not the SK then Empking is the SK. If SK isn't the Empking then I will kill myself.

[Oversoul]

Interesting?

[Oversoul]

Oh really? Are you claiming scum with Foolish Fool then?

[Oversoul]

Two roleblockers already flipped. You weren't in the Neighborhood... and the only other logical explanation is you are a teammate with Foolish Fool. But Bvoigt died for me that night so it wouldn't make sense for them to target me with roleblock + kill when a kill accomplishes the same thing as a roleblock in that regard (plus more).

Plus, I have a result so I am calling bullshit on you. Stop trying to gambit.

Of course you would. Have it your way.

[Oversoul]

redFF stop fucking lurking.

[Oversoul]

Unless you are claiming to be a third roleblocker in which case I still don't believe you. You can claim and what not when Mastin comes back but I still think you are lieing.

[Oversoul]

Stop being so coy, Thor. I'm acting tense because I already have like 3 votes for no freaking reason and the lynch threshold is like 5. I don't need anymore derp towns on me when it is proven that I cannot be the damn SK.

You said you had evidence saying I was roleblocked Night 2 and then said it was interesting I got a result. Uhh... that isn't non sequitor unless you are withholding information.

Mastin is here and I want to hear his input, but you can stop the gambit now, Thor.

[Oversoul]

Would the mafia be able to no kill two nights in a row? That seems kinda shitty if they are able to do that.

Mastin, opinion on Thor saying he has information saying I was roleblocked Night 2?

[Oversoul]

Can I request that Thor please inform us what he meant by "I have information that you were roleblocked Night 2"? Or is that too rolefishy?

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I see you Thor...

redFF, had he been Mafia, or SK, he would have done his actions completely differently.

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because hoppster and I announced our targets each night :\

Thor, I see you. -.-

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Can I request that Thor please inform us what he meant by "I have information that you were roleblocked Night 2"? Or is that too rolefishy?

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SK is definitely a Ninja then.

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Due to the intelligence of the SK it is likely not Empking, Mastin, Thor, Evil, Me, and probably Nobody. Leaves redFF, Xeras, and David... David is rather intelligent... But I suspect he is a victim of the roleblock which means he wouldn't be able to kill. Ugh.

Need to rethink things a lot now. ._.

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ORDER OF SK LIKELIHOOD:

6. David Xanatos
1. Empking
2. Xeras
5. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan
4. Nobody Special Vifam
10. redFF
8. fatlikepig LTP Mafia
9. evilpacman18 (BUT THIS IS ON YOUR WORD OVERSOUL; HE WOULD BE NUMBER THREE IF NOT FOR YOU.)

I am going to revise this list now that Thor has claimed

6. David Xanatos
1. Empking
10. redFF
2. Xeras
4. Nobody Special
8. FatlikePig
7. Mastin
5. Thor
9. EPM
3. Oversoul

The fucking lurking really played into the hands of the damn SK this game which pisses me off immensely. RedFF seemingly to always read this thread with very little input makes me nervous. David and Empking both definitely having the chance of being restricted by the JK makes me put them higher. Xeras's derp ass play... I can't attribute to anything.

RedFF has wanted policy lynches on lurkers (Mastin and EPM), but his other player has made me feel town.

UGH.

pedit:

Scum Watcher
Tracker
Voyeur
Gunsmith

The fact that they are an SK makes and a Ninja to counteract the the 3 roles that could most definitely screw with them is likely. Ninja SK is also quite common currently.

redFF, I was hoping you would say that. You shouldn't feel insulted since you aren't the SK, but you took it personally.

redFF is steadily growing suspicious.

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Yes yes. We will have a long discussion but I have to go tonight. Can I discuss this tomorrow?

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As long as you mean real life tomorrow and not game day tomorrow I'm fine with that.
You probably need time to work up the false claim anyway, so no rush

Loled at this.

I'll give you a little bit of a teaser. I'm X shot.

Tempted to go with my new gut feeling and vote redFF, but the JK actions Night 1 and 2... they are so tempting. ._.

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What the hell is with Night 2, though. O_o Thor, why would I only have Protected, Roleblocked, when the JK didn't protect me, the JOAT didn't protect me, the Bodyguard did, and he DIED. Definitely a Ninja. What the hell happened with the scum's kill that night then?

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Wait. That is impossible though since the SK's flavor is Chiasmus and Bv was paradoxed. Something is wrong with your claim, Thor.

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Actually no there isn't depending on how the mod resolved the nightkill that not... which is incredibly iffy. :\

Mod, if Player V voyeur "watched" Player X, and Player Y Bodyguarded Player X, and Player Z sent in a kill on Player X, would Player V "see" the Nightkill attempt on Player X or Player Y?

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Did I mention I really fucking hate SKs?

Also, no quicklynching while I am away tomorrow lol.

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That random tracker. they could help us immensely if the SK isn't a ninja.

Thor, explain how Bv died then. Unless the voyeur ability can only see bodyguarded attacks by watching the bodyguards themselves which is kinda negative utility in that interaction.

We can go through with the David > Emp > redFF if you want but we would be burning through townies

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after realizing what I just said in that post, David > Emp likely contains the SK because of kill flavor and the fact that the scum didn't roleblock the SK.

Going to bed now.

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Would the scum really have been able to no kill 2 nights in a row? That is unfair on the town's part. Thor is probably going to die tonight anyway since he is a voyeur. :\

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And I will reply in full later (like 3 hours from now).

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Empking, what do you think of the SK killing Pine?

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Empking, what do you think of the SK killing Pine?

Can you be more specific?

Do you think that it was a good idea to shoot a guaranteed mislynch? Were they trying to avoid a roleblock on their kill? Either way the roleblocker is dieing and you would have relatively little suspicion on yourself. It seems like a rookie mistake that a person who has never been a SK would make.

Why are you voting Thor? Do you think that Mafia would have a watcher and a voyeur? What part of his plan don't you believe? I am just asking all of these question because it seems highly likely that you are the SK unless both you and David were targets of the SK.

The SK must have tried to kill me on Night 3 because that is the night when everyone was one me and there still wasn't an SK kill unless the SK is not compulsive.

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I didn't mean plan, I meant claim. What part don't you believe of his action claim?

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Ya I guess that is true. Definitely a Ninja with Watcher and Tracker though.

redFF, going to be honest. People who don't capitalize the first word in their sentences and other grammatical errors like that are viewed in a different fashion than say someone who does capitalize correctly.

I just act plain retarded.

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You're reading too much into it. I was trying for a reaction and I got one.... from you. I don't actually think anyone here is unintelligent, you obviously are if you want to play mafia. It is just that some people aren't smart as others like Yos, Flay, and the like.

Does everyone think that there are still mafia alive or that it is just an SK + 4 mafia?

pedit: I guess that is Thor's opinion.

Anyway, I am a 4 shot Gunsmith. I wasted two of my shots trying to investigate Otolia and ProjecttMatt (the reason which I claimed guilties on them since I figured the scum knew I would investigate one of them). I didn't target anyone the night Hoppster was going to target me in order to conserve my shots but ended up wasting one on Matt anyway. :\ Used final shot on Empking.

So yes, only 2 of my 4 shots have actually succeeded. Lynch me if you like but there is literally no way that I can be mafia or SK.

pedit: Thor, the mod by normal rules, is supposed to state both of the kill flavors on a person killed.

I think I know who the tracker is, but I will let them claim when they want.

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Wait, Mastin, you aren't the tracker? O_o

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If it's so obvious can't you just tell me? Otherwise I'm going to lynch him, and that would be bad I understand.

If there's a Mafia left it has to be you. DX is the Serial Killer.

Voyeur and Watcher? That seems a little... iffy for the Mafia.

I haven't seen Empking play like this before. O_o