New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[Estyn]

/confirm

[Estyn]

1: Why do you play Mafia? I enjoy reading into what people say and trying to find tells.

2: How old are you? 17

3: How would you describe your general thought process? Analytical and thorough.

4: What is your time-zone? BST (GMT+1, Britain)

5: How do you approach unique problems in need of solution? Look at what information i have and see how it can link together to form an outcome

6: What is your favorite precious metal, and why? Silver, because gold is over-rated.

7: How would you approach this game as town? I question anything I find suspicious or don't 100% understand to try and get a clearer view of things to then work out who i suspect to be scum.

8: How would you approach this game as scum? Similar to how i would as town however to try and find power roles and people who have the potential to be problematic instead of trying to find scum.

9: What is your gender? Male.

10: Are you nervous? Its my first non newbie game so a little bit.

11: What is your experience level? I'm new and currently playing two games including this one.

12: What are your strongest emotions? I'm not sure, possibly optimism.

13: What's your general activity level? I check the forums whenever i'm on the computer.

14: What is your plan in this game? To become a better forum-mafia player while enjoying myself

15: Which do you prefer: RVS, RQS, or other? (If Other, please explain.) RQS

16: Do you have a reputation? What for? N/A

17: Do you prefer playing as town, scum, or other? (If Other, please explain.) I'm not sure yet, we'll see after i've played a variety of roles.

18: What are your favorite three roles? N/A

19: What order are those favorite roles in? N/A

20: What is your stance on lurkers? They are an annoyance and can cause a slow boring game (going off games i have read)

21: How do you plan on catching scum? Analysing what people say to find tells, questioning people to get answers and applying pressure

22: What do these questions mean to you? I guess they're a good way to get to know other players

23: What is the airspeed velocity of a coconut-laden swallow? well v=u+at where v is the velocity, u is the start velocity, a is acceleration and t=time so if you have those values we can work it out

24: You see someone waving their arms and directing you to go right. How do you respond? Check right then go right if it seems a good idea

25A: Do you play more for fun, or more for the thrill of victory? Fun

25B: Your stance aside, do you think others should play with a similar outlook? Explain why or why not. Yes, its always nice to win however whats the point in winning if you aren't enjoying yourself, you should spend the time doing something you enjoy instead

[Estyn]

Oversoul and Kcdaspot:

Please link me to one recently finished game as both alignments if possible.

I don't have one, unforunately.

I was a part of a perfect town win, though.

What would a massclaim do for us in a closed setup?

It'd allow us to win.

Who is us?

[Estyn]

NO! #@;/.! I meant town. Us is town.

I lol'd

[Estyn]

Oh, nevermind. Missed you answering. Sorry.

No worries

[Estyn]

TOWN: Empking
Johog
Vifam
Xeras
Kcdaspot

SCUM: David
Fool Hardy
Secret Project
Oversoul

NULL: Estyn

These reads are a little out-of-date, but I'll update them later. Have to run; be back in a couple of hours.

Is putting your reads out a good idea at this stage? I'm sure i read somewhere that telling your reads on people benefits scum more than town because it allows them to see if they are blending in well and potential night targets, afterall why would they NK someone who had been read to be scum

[Estyn]

I like this flow. I hereby decide that we won't MC.

VT...oh wait you said won't

[Estyn]

I like this flow. I hereby decide that we won't MC.

VT...oh wait you said won't

Something is not right here. You do this...

I like this flow. I hereby decide that we won't MC.

VT...oh wait you said won't

You do this... yet you

Is putting your reads out a good idea at this stage? I'm sure i read somewhere that telling your reads on people benefits scum more than town because it allows them to see if they are blending in well and potential night targets, afterall why would they NK someone who had been read to be scum

and yet you get mad at Mastin for doing this...

VOTE: Estyn

Stating your reads on each person and joke claiming are completely different things, i don't see the connection

[Estyn]

And you think Mastin's reads aren't a joke?

And for the record, to save everyone's faces, yes I am a dumb ass. Humor is usually lost on me.

Correct, i think he based his reads off the 25 questions, why else ask them

[Estyn]

And you think Mastin's reads aren't a joke?

And for the record, to save everyone's faces, yes I am a dumb ass. Humor is usually lost on me.

Correct, i think he based his reads off the 25 questions, why else ask them

Do you agree with any of them?

I'd like to see the analysis (preferably Mastin's) why I am scum based off 25 questions.

I find it hard to base reads off of answers to do with general gameplay, especially when people could purposely answer them in a way to suit the role they have in this game.

[Estyn]

if MC comes into play again i'll explain but right now i think it's best to leave it be.

Vote: Kc tells

allright...

we all sent in 3 roles right?

our favorites?

what if we all got randomly assigned those?

all maf has to do is chose the non-scum role he/she submitted and play accordingly.

I doubt that happened, its a normal game not themed so a fair few roles wouldn't be able to fit the game well (I think)

[Estyn]

so what was the point of the mod asking that question in the first place?

I'd guess just because they wanted people to actually read the thread and confirm with what they asked rather than pm'ing him saying /confirm, proves they've read everything he had put in the first post

[Estyn]

I know, it's more of a bunnet with a bobble. I was going to go for the Pokemon Farfetched, but I thought you may be unhappy at me for cramping your style.

Theres already 2 pokemon avatars here so feel free

[Estyn]

mastin i have to say i don't like you much either

mainly cuz of some of your questions

turned out to be stupid on my part

oversoul is scum

Can you explain how the questions were stupid? Questions start discussion, and bring a chance to get an insight into how other players play, therefore allowing you to pick up scumtells.

People failing to answer/complaining about questions give off a scumread to me. Also can you explain why you think oversoul is scum?

Catching up on the last 2 pages now, surprised there wasn't more wrote while i was asleep going off the initial pace

[Estyn]

If you don't sign out and instead just close the browser it can take a little while to close the session, on other sites i've noticed a delay of around 20-30 minutes if you don't log out.

[Estyn]

VT...

Stating your reads on each person and joke claiming are completely different things, i don't see the connection

1. Joke claiming? So you're NOT a VT?
2. I think the point was that claiming gives scum more useful NK information than stating reads.

You've misquoted me there, the joke was the "...Oops you said don't" part, not the part where i stated a role

[Estyn]

so was that you claiming or joking?

Joking, i wouldn't claim in pre game

[Estyn]

VT...

Stating your reads on each person and joke claiming are completely different things, i don't see the connection

1. Joke claiming? So you're NOT a VT?
2. I think the point was that claiming gives scum more useful NK information than stating reads.

You've misquoted me there, the joke was the "...Oops you said don't" part, not the part where i stated a role

You can't joke claim though and expect us not to wonder. The punchline might not have been the claim but the joke involved it. It matters in the same way that RVS votes are important. For instance, why did you joke claim VT? You could have joke claimed anything.

I joke claimed vanilla townie because it was the first role that came into my head while i was writing the post, there wasn't any ulterior reason for it.

[Estyn]

I'm also one of those "crash-and-burn" players, so for me it doesn't really matter if I look scummy as long as I catch scum. Unfortunately I didn't this time.

I don't like this line here, its almost as if you're saying "Sorry if i look like scum, its because i'm scum hunting" which to me doesn't make much sense.

[Estyn]

1. Empking - Town
2. Kcdaspot - Scum, not liking your posts until about 2 pages ago
3. Estyn - Town
4. Xeras - Null
5. Foolish Fool (Haylen + JordanA24) - Town
6. mastin2 - Town
7. Vifam - Null leaning town, still don't like that argument between you and Johhog though
8. BomberMan - Null leaning scum
9. Fool_Hardy - Null leaning town
10. David Xanatos - Scum, don't like you not answering questions
11. Oversoul - Null leaning town, self voting doesn't sit well with me though, don't know why you would do that.
14. LordChronos - Null
15. Johhog - Town, don't like that argument between you and vifam though
16. LTP Mafia - Null
17. Secret Project (evilpacman18 + MrBump) - Scum
20. redFF - Null leaning town

Ommitted people haven't posted yet, i skim read the last 6 pages or so, may have missed a post by them.

[Estyn]

Sure, I'll just put that down as a desperate townie move.



We should wagon Bomberman.

Day 1 has only recently started, quick lynching is not beneficial for town so we should slow down a bit, no need to wagon anybody at this stage

[Estyn]

Sure, I'll just put that down as a desperate townie move.



We should wagon Bomberman.

Day 1 has only recently started, quick lynching is not beneficial for town so we should slow down a bit, no need to wagon anybody at this stage

How else are we supposed to get reads and interactions? Your nervousness about 2 votes on Bomberman only makes me think that you are a possible scum buddy.

Reads and reactions? Applying pressure and asking questions, maybe i just misunderstood the context of wagon there but i thought it was meant as in to quick lynch him now

[Estyn]

Can we all vote SP now?

Bomberman is still leagues scummier than SP at the moment. I feel like everyone is blowing things out of proportion. Estyn's joke was bound to have someone ask so you're not VT at some point, which is why I don't think those types of jokes should be made, at least, not during the actual game.

The joke wasn't made in the game, it was made during pregame.

Catching up now, sorry was hit by illness yesterday so i didn't want to post because i didn't feel it would be coherent.

[Estyn]

You guys are fucking retards and oversoul is mafia.

I don't like this post, it sounds like someone trying to get people to vote through the premise "Ooh i better do what he says, don't want to look retarded", i've never been keen on insulting to try and get your point across so it might just be because of that that this rang alarm bells for me but i doubt it.

FoS : redFF

I don't like this rage quit by Kcda and Bomberman, Bomberman's posts have been hard to follow and borderline trolling pretty much the entire time which isn't something that looks pro town to me.

I wish fate and DGB were in this...

It would be so much easier to show that bombers town.

Great job. Most pro town player. Gone.

I don't see how Kcda could be so sure of Bomberman's role unless he himself was scum.

I'd be happy with lynching either of these two however i'm not going to vote till they get replaced and we have a chance to see how their replacements play.

[Estyn]

Sorry for the triple-post, i missed this

shame, i liked Bomber even though he's scum. this clears kcda at least.

unvote

How does this clear Kcda? I'm confused by this statement

[Estyn]

oh whoops i only ctr+f redff in his posts derp. Still he only said that after i called him out on saying he had a scumread on me. tbh i actually think that right now scumteam is oversoul

johhog SR

and

vifam

lol...

So i just checked your posts and i can't see any time before now where you have said you thought the people whose names i bolded are scum. And as soon as they vote for you, you now think they're a scumteam? "You guys have voted me so you must be scum" Is what this comes down to...

[Estyn]

If I were voting anyone on day one for the sake of easy voting, I vote in the minority.

What do you mean by you vote in the minority? Vote for someone with no votes?

[Estyn]

I don't understand this attempt of a wagon on Xeras, think i better have a re-read of the last few pages, we need more people posting though, active games are helpful for town

[Estyn]

Nevermind, Xeras can you answer my question from page 31 please?

If indeed you were voting for an easy option how would the minority be an easy option? Surely hopping on a wagon is easier which as Johhog pointed out you did

[Estyn]

Do we even have enough people active to lynch now?

[Estyn]

I fail to see what's so newbish about voting somebody because they'd be an easy lynch

I agree, it seems more trying to stay below the radar and out of pressure

[Estyn]

Responding

[Estyn]

I'd like to table a motion that we suspend this game temporarily in order to replace everyone who's buggered off.

Agreed, either that or just extend the deadline, we've lost a few days worth of discussion

[Estyn]

You shouldn't worry Oversoul, Bomberman was a douche anyway, I'm glad to see the back of him, and same with Kcda, as he can't seem to control his temper

^ This

[Estyn]

What do the asterixes mean in your reads?

[Estyn]

EBWOP nevermind when i reread your comments i saw you said random asterixes