Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[Captain Corporal]

Hey, everyone, this is my first theme game, looking forward to it.

Ok, looking at what has been posted...
Vezok - I don't like the fact that your posts contradict each other, and your refusal to consider anyone else up for executioner don't sit well with me. If I were scum, I definitely wouldn't want the power to kill in anyone's hands but my own.
SK - Jumping onto a wagon early-game. Reminds me of another game, in which you flipped scum. Although, this time you're suspicions are well-founded. So far I like you.
Quil - Hmm, will need more thought on you. For now I'm null.
Cod - Your case on Vezok sounds like a bus to me, but I don't have much else other than gut feeling.

[Captain Corporal]

@Quil
The two posts have been specified before, I believe. The is a blatand contridiction between Vezok saying he is open-minded, and him saying that he only wants him to be executioner. That doesn't sound very open-minded to me.

@SK -
Oops, case, not bandwagon. In the other game you twisted information, but as I said, your suspicions are well founded.

=( Lol, I guess in the game type there's no random voting. I miss my random vote.

Also, I think I might be away all tommorow (birthday : D). In case I don't post again tonight, my town read is SK, my null read is Quil (leaning town now), and my scum reads are Vezok and Cod.

[Captain Corporal]

Ok, everyone, back. Sorry for being away for so long.

Catchup post coming in a couple of hours.

[Captain Corporal]

Urgh, things keep happening

I'll be V/LA till the 1st of August. I may still have access to MafiaScum, but the times that I can get on and the consistancy of my posting times will be very limited.

I really wish I have time to post, but I don't.
After the 1st I have nothing planned and nothing hindering me from playing, and if something comes up, I'll replace out.
Sorry, everyone.

[Captain Corporal]

Hey everyone, tomorrow I'll be fully active, just stopped by to make a quick post.
Skimmed the last few pages and I've been generally pleased in the direction today is going. From what I saw of Cod earlier, I thought he was scum.
I don't like, however, that MoI is a candidate for the night killer, for one reason only. I'm at the top of his scumlist. I don't understand how his highest scumread is someone who's made almost no posts, due to being V/LA, but that doesn't matter at this point. I don't plan on getting killed anytime soon.

[Captain Corporal]

Ok Vezok, point out what in my two posts is scummy. Stop hiding behind MoI.

Also, me voting for scum would have worse consequences than you think, due to the nature of my role.

[Captain Corporal]

Jason, I don't plan on getting killed. If you say that's a scumtell, everyone should be on your scumlist, because I don't think anyone else plans on getting killed either.
Logic.

P-EDIT: I don't understand why my lack of activity is bad. I WAS V/LA.

How is an unspecified power role bad?
Either way, I'm claiming. If the town play righ, scum can't touch me.
I'm a town leader, meaning I get two votes day aand night (basically a doublevoter). I breadcrumbed earlier. Hold on, I'll find it for you.

[Captain Corporal]

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lso, I think I might be away all tommorow (birthday : D). In case I don't post again tonight, my town read is SK, my null read is Quil (leaning town now), and my scum reads are Vezok and Co

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LEAD

Anyway, I'm going to finish my school project (a timeline of important US document signings), then I might go to sleep.

[Captain Corporal]

1. Isn't SleepyKrew the top of Magna's scumlist? Either way, he is judging you on the posts you have whether you have a few posts or a lot. You shouldn't be criticizing him for finding your posts scummy, instead you should defend yourself against his reasoning for thinking you might be scum. Also, why are you saying that you don't plan on getting killed soon? 2. That is for the night executioner to decide.

Ok Vezok, point out what in my two posts is scummy. Stop hiding behind MoI.

3. Why are you asking Vezok when Magna already posted his reasoning?

How is an unspecified power role bad?
Either way, I'm claiming. If the town play righ, scum can't touch me.
I'm a town leader, meaning I get two votes day aand night (basically a doublevoter). I breadcrumbed earlier. Hold on, I'll find it for you

4. Why did you claim? You had no reason to do that.

LEAD

Anyway, I'm going to finish my school project (a timeline of important US document signings), then I might go to sleep

5. That's not a breadcrumb. If it was, scum could easily just make long first posts, go back when they need to claim and find a word in it that's similar to a claim.

But alas CC is town. There was a town leader last game.

6. So? that doesn't mean that there would be one in this game. If anything, I think it makes it less likely.

Responding to the numbers I added...
1. No, I am. Read.
2. I DON'T WANT TO BE KILLED BECAUSE I AM TOWN AND A PR! HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE? I AM ENTITLED TO NOT WANTING TO BE KILLED.
3. Post it again, I can't see it.
4. As I said, if town play correctly, there's no harm in me claiming.
5. AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING!!!!!! You can say I'm lying if you want, but I'll sure as hell be using my power to try and stop the kill (voting someone else, unless you forgot, my votes hold more power).
6. PLEASE THINK BEFORE POSTING! Makes it less likely? Do you know the setup? No, thought not. Probability does not come into affect in this situation.

By the way things are going, it seems MoI is going to get the Night Execution. Before you all decide however, YOUR VOTE AT NIGHT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT! Don't throw it away!

[Captain Corporal]

I realize my claim was most likely a bad one, this is my first kingmaker-style game, and has been one of my first PRs. Although, that's not really an excuse.
I didn't include the ER in LEADER, because I thought it was obvious enough as it was. Again, an experience thing, but again, no excuse.

Remember, as someone said, my claim can be proven tomorrow, so if you doubt the authenticity of my claim, I can give you proof.

Also, just thinking right now, was my claim really such a bad idea? I was going to be targeted at night anyway. Thoughts, everyone?

SK especially, since he hasn't given much input on it.

[Captain Corporal]

So you'd willingly kill me N1, if you had the power.

Nice to know.

Since I don't like where this is going, I have something else that may benefit the town, but certain conditions have to be met for it to happen.

I'm not quite ready to reveal that quite yet.

What is really concerning me is the lack of discussion on the topic of the night executioner. IT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHO AND WHY, EVEN MORESO THAN THE DAY EXECUTIONER. The dsy executioner can be decided and the kill target decided, so town basically controll the daykill. With the nightkill however, anyone can kill anyone else, and we won't know who did it. Sure, the town may say "MoI it is", but what people forget it tht there are also scum out there with who knows what powers, and a certain doublevoter which will not be voting for MoI. We've had all this discussion on who will be the day executioner, but everyone just seems happy enough the sheep along with everyone else and vote MoI. You're making a big mistake.

[Captain Corporal]

Kinda.

It's complicated.

And I will say that some other people probably know what I'm talking about.

[Captain Corporal]

It doesn't do anything until certain conditions are met, as I stated.

It is also transferrable.

[Captain Corporal]

Urg, whatever. I'm cool with a kill. There's nothing else I can say today to change MoI's read on me.

[Captain Corporal]

Actually, here's the full details of the "extra" thing I was talking about.

I have an "item" in my possession. I'm allowed to give it to someone if I want each night. If someone gets all the items, something will happen. I don't know what that something is, but I think it will be good.

I would love for everyone to give me theirs, but seeing as I will possibly die tonight, I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.
Maybe all who have these items should be claiming and we should plan someone to pass on these items to, and see what happens.

Also, I made a fairly heavy breadcrumb on this after I came back from V/LA, which no-one seemed to pick up on, which worries me a little.

[Captain Corporal]

The item is actually a piece of paper (an important US document), so technically you're right.

What if scum get/have it?

This is also worries me, and is another reason I don't want to give it away. If scum have it, I can't see them giving it up.

[Captain Corporal]

And I have no idea whether it's town only.

[Captain Corporal]

=P SK, you probably would have had to claim sometime soon anyway.
I'll be voting for SK. I've had a townread on him all game and the paper thing only solidifies this.

I feel very reluctant to give my paper away. If MoI will not be the night executioner, I'd rather the papers were given to me, as you only claimed after I outed you. While I still think you're town, I'm not sure if I should trust you with the paper.

I don't think that made any sense, but anyway

[Captain Corporal]

Actually, I think I just want them because I'm a selfish bastard and I don't like to share my stuff.
Input from others on this and who we should ive our papers to would be great.
If there are more papers out there, now is the time to claim.

[Captain Corporal]

Fine, no claim.
I'm considering using my paper as a bargaining chip, but I don't think man people would like that.

I'm not voting for MoI. Any PR is valuable, me especially late-game if we haven't caught scum. I don't want to die. So, my possibilities are:
1. Not vote for MoI and get killed the next day, or still the night.
2. Vote for MoI and die.
Nice. Either way, I'm dead... Unless MoI has changed his mind. MOI WHERE DID YOU GO

And yes, the possibility that scum have papers ruins my plan.

Gotta go now, see you in 12 hours, or a few days, or weeks, depending on who kills when.

[Captain Corporal]

1.

@Captain

– The fact you aren’t bothering to read my posts (since you missed that I actively said I didn’t support Nightkilling a provable Power Role) combined with your unwillingness to address my initial concerns and your barrage of “Oh, hey I forgot to mention I have some Paper” is making me rethink that policy I just mentioned.

By the way things are going, it seems MoI is going to get the Night Execution. Before you all decide however, YOUR VOTE AT NIGHT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT! Don't throw it away!

2. Appeal to Fear noted.

SK especially, since he hasn't given much input on it.

3. Really? You are singling out Sleepy as not giving sufficent input? Have you met havingfitz, ChaosOmega and Cod?

Since I don't like where this is going, I have something else that may benefit the town, but certain conditions have to be met for it to happen.

4. If you were trying to be Pro-Town in your claiming why did you hold back this piece? Especially considering your ‘paper’ (I’m assuming Sleepy was trying to communicate with his paper versus power 'slips') claim would probably have been received more positively if others have it also.

Urg, whatever. I'm cool with a kill. There's nothing else I can say today to change MoI's read on me.

5. Yes, because I certainly didn’t ask you to elaborate on why you posted faulty attacks in your first content posts to get a better read on you.

Or say that I disliked potentially killing claimed provable Power Roles N1 when they can be demonstrated Day 2 …

I would love for everyone to give me theirs, but seeing as I will possibly die tonight, I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.

6. Can you provide one reason why we should be looking past your play to reward you with “the power” inherent in the gathering of items?

1. "Oh I forgot to mention I have some paper"?! MOI I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT SINCE I GOT BACK. I must have missed the no killing provable PRs N1, but what the hell does that change? As SK said, I could be scum. I don't like the fact that you've been ignoring it.
2. No point in this, why bother?
3. Because I have a townread on him >_>
4. I didn't hold it back, I told you about it, but not the specifics. What was the point in you knowing the full details of it?
5. I stand by my attacks. And who was I attacking? Oh, that's right Codfish, who is getting killed today, and Vezok, who SK was also attacking. Where's the difference between SK and me? Why single me out? Because you're scum and know I'm not a sum doublevoter?
6. I'm not going to be passing my paper on tonight. The only person I can trust with the power is the only person conf. town. Me.

[Captain Corporal]

I'm keeping my paper tonight. That, coupled with the fact that I'm a PR and town, means you shouldn't kill me.

[Captain Corporal]

I'm being a real bastard, I know, but it's for your own good.

Just putting this out there, it doesn't seem likely that the papers would be given to scum, because the scum would obviously never give them up, defeating the purpose of them. If scum could have them at the beginning, I think that some transferral system would be put in place upon the scum's death, but that doesn't seem very likely either.
Or maybe there's a role specific to the paper.
What does everyone think about this?

[Captain Corporal]

SK, I have no idea. I speculated a bit in my last post, but nothing solid.

And this is why I shouldn't be killed tonight. I have important paper, if I die, who knows what will happen to it. I realize this is a scummy move, but this is another thing that makes me think that scum would not start with the paper - they could use it to get out of dieing very easily, making them pretty OP.

Btw, any of you doubting the papers existance need to think twice - there are two independant sources verifying the paper's existance.

[Captain Corporal]

Jason, do something useful instead of repeating MoI.

SK, I didn't really think about the paper, I was busy asking about my Leader role.
Didn't you ask anyway?

Appeal to fear. How is it bad? It gets you thinking, which most of you are failing to do.

[Captain Corporal]

I'll appeal all I want. I'm not a PR very often and I don't plan ongetting NKed
Although it's now out ofmy control

[Captain Corporal]

To answer a few points of MoI's post... (on a mobile)
I couldn't drop a vote. You seem to have "forgotten" I was V/LA.
I dropped a huge tell to everyone with papers just after I got back, and my actual claim came 5 posts or so later.
I will not pass away my paper tonight. This I am adamant about. If I die, the paper goes with me.
I WAS SPECULATING ON THE SETUP. I'M JUST GUESSING.
You say my play has been bad. I agree.

P-EDIT: I have been on the site for a while, but only started playing a month or two ago. No other mafia experience. In my time here I've heard many appeals, but not AtF.


Also, if I am scum, as you say, and there is a scum roleblocker, things are not looking good for tonight.

Also, if you think I'm scummy due to bad play, take a look at some of my other games. Almost lynched D1 (then I replaced out), in another lynched D1, in another put at L-1. In fact, my first game was my best because everyone attributed my scumminess to newbiness.

BTW, MoI, I will endevour to answer in full your post tomorrow, when I can access a computer.

[Captain Corporal]

I may have to disappear soon, a man needs his sleep.

[Captain Corporal]

Sleep is for the weak

To be fair to me, it is midnight, and I've been sleeping terribly lately, what with trying to until 2am for the past week.

[Captain Corporal]

Actually, goodnight everyone.
Please don't hammer until I can explain myself, at least partially tomorrow.

[Captain Corporal]

Sorry, I really am not up to posting for a little while. I'm feeling terrible. Will be back tonight.

[Captain Corporal]

Before I launch into a bigger post...
I just noticed something. Scum doublevoters are less likely to be put into the setup. Why? Scum already get two votes at night. The whole doublevoting thing would be way less powerful for scum.

I know that's weak, but I believe it means something.

[Captain Corporal]

I know they don't, but how does it make sense to give someone a role with only half the power it was intended to have? Why change the original doublevoter? Scum would have no use for an extra vote at daytime in this setup, as everything they do at day basically has to conform with the town - at night is when they start plotting.

[Captain Corporal]

Ok, all I know about the paper is that when one person has them all something will happen. I can pass it on each night. That's it.

My breadcrumb was 100x more obvious than SK's, because it used the name of the item. And MoI, it wasn't in my first post, just in one of the ones close to when I got back.

If I dropped a vote early-game, it woudn't have shown me voting for two. It's invisible, I believe. And I didn't put one on because I didn't want anyone to put at L-1.

Saying my play has been bad does not mean I don't stand by my attacks. It was bad of me to get myself into this situation.

In response to MoI on my theorizing of the roleblocking thing... As someone said somewhere, town shouldn't refrain from what they are thinking because they are town and have nothing to hide. I posted something I was thinking about.
Also, what would scum have gained by posting that? Leverage? No, nothing.

Self-meta? YOU wanted to know what I played like. Take the time and look at my games yourself instead of laughing them off.

[Captain Corporal]

Hey, surprised at MoI for not destroying me. Thanks
For those of you who are still not convinced by my leader claim, if I chuck my vote on someone at L-2, I can prove it then.
Also, I did vote for MoI last night, despite my earlier misgivings.
Re-reading stuff.

[Captain Corporal]

I'm cool with a hydra.
I voted for MoI, btw, so I doubt he wouldn't have been elected.
The NK shows me that MoI is probtown. If scum, he would've killed me, plain as that. He wouldn't have been under any pressure today if he had, because a lot of people had scumreads on me. He would've known I was a town leader, because he was scum.
There goes my scumread on him. Time to look for different avenues of scum.

[Captain Corporal]

Hey, MoI, I'd still like to know why I'm not dead right now

[Captain Corporal]

I don't THINK it will show as two. The way I understood my PM was only if they were at L-2. I guess we'll find out.

VOTE: CC

[Captain Corporal]

Hey everyone, sorry for being majorly inactive, the last few days I've been really tired. I know that's no excue, but what's done is done.
Firsly, everyone, what is your read on me?
Secondly, I've been doing next to nothing in the way of scumhunting. I just realised that I have reads on basically no-one. Sorry again, I better fix that. Here's my town - scum list

Town

MoI
SK
Vezok (under review)
Iceguy
Quilford
Jason
Zang
Implosion

Scum

Everyone else needs to be ISOd

[Captain Corporal]

Hey, I just requested a replacement. Ever since I went V/LA D1, I haven't really been as up to speed as I would've liked.
Sorry

[Captain Corporal]

Vezok, I think I know what I can and can't do. No need to start attacking me.

[Captain Corporal]

Hey everyone
Everyone has the right to insult me as much as you like and blacklist me
I played like a fool. My claiming D1 was all lolwut and from there I kept going downhill. Apologies to all.