Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

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VOTE: Beck

I don't like people being first on the list...

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They have a purpose; please answer them.

1] Are these questions useless?

YES

2] Are these questions useless?

YES

3] Are these questions useless?

YES

4] What is your time zone? PDT, just because this might actually be useful information
5] Are these questions useless?

YES

I'm with Ray, I'd like to hear some feedback- you tell me why these questions are worth something rather than a lame attempt to earn town cred by seemingly being involved.

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FLAVOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3 <3 <3

Now I think I (as a part of the Beck wagon) have been asked to "explain" myself, Well......

My name is Glowball
I have lady parts.
I placed a vote in RVS because wagons get results.
My vote isn't changing, because I actually think he's scum now.
I didn't like chkflip's questions.
His questions look like fluff and I know he's better than that.
My attack was a little personal- meta and what not.
Scum like to appear like they are scum hunting or adding to conversation.
Scum like to post reads without actually saying anything...if there is basically nothing to analyze then why post reads at all?

Hey FlavourAnalysis, that last question is for you...

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THE K E N D A L L WAGON IS RIDICULOUS.

It's everything scum would want, and overly aggressive player that is an easy mislynch. There are very few instances on day one that a wagon grows that fast on someone who is scum. k e n d a l l is town. There is scum on that wagon and DonJosh's vote is rubbing me the wrong way...

I would like you to remember that we are here to lynch scum, not rid ourselves of players we don't like. I am not going to let you guys mess up my game because you cannot deal with an over anxious player. Trying to hard to be town? Yeah, I got that feeling too. I also know that mafiascum compared to other sites have different ways of calling someone scum. kendall has adequately defended themselves. It doesn't matter if you are pro-town/anti-town all of that is NULL I just played a game with someone who I wanted to strangle, but he was town and was a major part of our win(perfect win in fact). Scum don't like this much attention, and kendall dealt with their votes way better than Beck who just drifted off and didn't say anything. Most players get more aggressive when the votes start piling on because really who wants to die day 1? We all came to play, we all think we have something to offer. Also, whether you think a player is useful or not is none of my concern. Numbers are numbers, and the more townies we lose the closer they are to winning. I'd keep a town body alive just so that we have those numbers. I find the amount of overconfidence aka arrogance quite annoying. Stop over posting with nonsense. Focus, scum is almost never that easy to catch. Look at the people on the wagon there are at least 2 scum there...

NINJA'D
Paranoia is justified. No one knows who is scum, so arguing and being hostile or paranoid isn't weird its the game- people should stop acting as if we know that they are town.

[glowball]

GLOWBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL : DDD

Ah ok. Can you explain why you feel Beck is scum to you now? Can you also give thoughts on Kendall, Nanook, Bobxnox, and Umbrage?

Yes, but those questions weren't really scumhunting, So I don't see him trying to look pro-town there, nor should one think he is town just for that. I deff want him to explain his purpose now, and I want him to post.

There isn't basically nothing to analyze. On the second page, there isn't much to analyze, and the best way to get info TO ANALYZE, is to get discussion going. We have that, and now we have enough to base reads by, as you can see I have even posted my reads.

Beck has a lot of fluff, called chkflip scum with less reasoning than I had, and generally an active lurker.
I have given my thoughts on k e n d a l l, I mean I don't like the playstyle but I think some of that is just the newbie to the site mentality.
Umbrage is opportunistic scum
Bobxnox is just being ridiculous NULL

There isn't much to analyze which is why I don't give reads, everything is subject to change.

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MAFIA WANT ME DEAD YOU ALL ARE MAFIA FOR WANTING ME DEAD. I AM SO OBVIOUSLY PROTOWN THAT IS HURTS AND EVERYONE WHO WANTS ME DEAD IS SCUM. That's more than newbie paranoia, glowball.

Her enemies are also poorly picked.

It doesn't make her scum- it's just the newbie way of thinking. It's easy for me to fall into that trap too, if I know I am town and then all of a sudden tons of people vote me it is very easy in the newbie mindset to think all of them are scum, the whole "it's not me, so it must be you" thing. It's null, and when they get a chance to breathe they will realize that friends aren't town and enemies aren't scum. It's a null tell, and so is all the reasoning against her.

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Seriously this wagon against Kendall just seems like it is motivated by "Teaching her a lesson" rather than actually thinking she is scum. I mean I will not deny that the suspicious behavior is there, but I find it very hard to believe that anyone really thinks that she is scum rather than just annoying.

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Seriously this wagon against Kendall just seems like it is motivated by "Teaching her a lesson" rather than actually thinking she is scum. I mean I will not deny that the suspicious behavior is there, but I find it very hard to believe that anyone really thinks that she is scum rather than just annoying.

Is this only because she is a newb? Regardless, no one should write off her actions as being a newb, I was scum in my first game of mafia.

I was scum in my first game too. I am not writing her off COMPLETELY because she is new, I am saying that the things that have been presented against her aren't scumtells. The fact that she is new should be taken into account...that being said, she most likely isn't scum because of how fast the wagon built up- just use some powers of deduction and realize how common day 1 mislynches are, kendall is probably town.

[glowball]

I am guessing that list, is for reads? Can you explain, I don't get the bold, italics, and underlines. Am I supposed to know what that means?

NINJA'D
HEY RAN, you got a hydra slip- post from the joint account please for ISOs

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see.

easy does it.

I am confused, but I don't even care anymore.

Onward... no more votes for kendall. I could get behind a DonJosh wagon...

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Damn replacements...
UNVOTE:

VOTE: DonJosh

Oh and Flavour, I show no sympathy to hydras- meaning keep your disagreements to yourself, it just complicates anything. You are ONE player slot, play like ONE player, I will ram you for contradicting thoughts from no on. I play in a hydra and we make sure that we barely show the game what goes on behind the scenes. You have two heads, make them work for you.

Kendall, I know it sucks when people call you a noob and it may have nothing to do with your playstyle because you've played other places and you know how to play the game- I felt the same way. Problem is that these boards are different, they are in some ways more strict and find other things to be scummy. Outside of the Road to Rome (Newbie Queue) they don't tend to give people a lot of slack. So when I say it's newbie, I mean moreso newbie to the site and to what kind of players you are playing with. I am a newbie too, nothing wrong with it...just the more you learn about mafiascum your playstyle might change- or you'll pick your words better.

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Paranoia is justified.

How does paranoia clear a player as town?

Those two things aren't even equivalent. Being paranoid is justified, it doesn't make her town- but that aside I believe kendall is town and I believe her wagon has at least 2 scumz on it.
Now, we should do an exercise for all of you newbies who INSIST on labeling things scummy that are NULL. How about you tell me exactly how that could work in scumz favor.

STARTING WITH
Kendall is playing the newb card, or she isn't- yes she is....blah blah blah
One way or the other how doesn't being newb help scumz? Outside of Road to Rome it really does no good- it's actually more of a death sentence than anything else. It doesn't make a person town either, so....
IT.
IS.
NULL.

Find the motivation in her actions..and then you can push the wagon. From what I see, kendall is probtown....Hiraki's gamble was spot on to you guys, although lining up lynches is never good I get what he means. You guys aren't using the logic that you should all have.

[glowball]

If paranoia is justified to you find it useful?

Okay just stop.

JUSTIFIED PARANOIA =/= TOWN
JUSTIFIED PARANOIA =/= USEFUL

What part of NULL do you not understand? Because I am starting to get annoyed.

[glowball]

What part of the question are you not understanding? I don't see why paranoia can't be useful in getting a read on a player and I don't see why you can't just answer the question. If I'm not clear on what's going to be useful to you then I'm not sure what kind of read I'm supposed to be getting on you.

Unless your goal is to be unreadable...

OKay Ray, I am trying to answer your question- but obviously we are missing something here.

Paranoia is not useful in getting a read on any player,IMO, especially this early WHICH IS WHY I SAID

NULL

. Kendall's paranoia is justified BUT IT IS NOT WHY I THINK SHE IS TOWN.

What aren't you getting? If you are asking me why I don't think paranoia is useful in reads it is because I think you should have a level of paranoia as town or even as scum in these large games. As town you don't know anyone's alignment, and as scum you don't know how many PRs town have. Paranoia is something that just happens in this game which is part of the reason why day one is full of mislynches. Now, paranoia isn't helpful- but for some players it is unavoidable. Making it a NULL tell, until I have some meta to go off of that suggests otherwise.

[glowball]

VOTE: kendall

Very aggressive, when called out goes 'oh well this is the way I play making opinions known is protown' blah blah blah. He's trying to be Alpha Dog, and this early in the game I find that rather suspicious.

I agree with this sentiment.

Okay so I am assuming that you've caught up- if you agree, why no vote?

[glowball]

Hey RAY, When did I "freak"? Because I'd say that being annoyed about you not being able to communicate with you and freaking are two different things.

Why do people keep voting Kendall, maybe some of you should play a few more games, a wagon that fast day 1 that isn't even a joke RVS wagon is being pushed on a townie. Kendall is obvtown, let's push DonJosh and see what happens.

[glowball]

Well Ray, I'll tell you this...I over emphasized because you kept asking the same question as if you didn't get my point. I had to break it down for you just to understand, but whatever. We'll see soon if this is VI or Scum.

[glowball]

You don't believe all of what I just said? Are you saying that you didn't keep asking me the same question to the point of it being annoying? Because you posted all my quotes as if you didn't ask for those responses. You ask, I answer. That is how inquiries work.

In other news this game is dragging, and I kind of realize why Scott didn't want people who were too new to the site playing...

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@ RAY

YOUR FIRST QUESTION....

Paranoia is justified.

How does paranoia clear a player as town?

Those two things aren't even equivalent.

Being paranoid is justified, it doesn't make her town- but that aside I believe kendall is town and I believe her wagon has at least 2 scumz on it.
Now, we should do an exercise for all of you newbies who INSIST on labeling things scummy that are NULL. How about you tell me exactly how that could work in scumz favor.

Now Me saying PARANOIA IS JUSTIFIED, led you to jump over hurdles to say that is why I cleared Kendall as town? Nothing I said inferred that Kendall is town simply because she is paranoid....SO....it's annoying to be misrepresented.

YOUR SECOND QUESTION

If paranoia is justified to you find it useful?

Okay just stop.

JUSTIFIED PARANOIA =/= TOWN
JUSTIFIED PARANOIA =/= USEFUL

What part of NULL do you not understand? Because I am starting to get annoyed.

Do you even understand what your second question said, I am beginning to think you had a typo or something because it just sounds wrong. Read it carefully "If paranoia is justified to you find it useful?" WHAT? I never said I find it useful, and to me this was once again intentional misrepresentation unless you mean

DO

you find it useful, which could have been a typo but you should be more careful.

What part of the question are you not understanding? I don't see why paranoia can't be useful in getting a read on a player and I don't see why you can't just answer the question. If I'm not clear on what's going to be useful to you then I'm not sure what kind of read I'm supposed to be getting on you.

Unless your goal is to be unreadable...

This last quote just looks like you were looking for a fight, everytime you asked a question I answered it to the best of my ability now the fact that you cannot type or communicate effectively is not my problem. Looking it over your questions are full of fluff, no reasoning- and it actually looks like you didn't even bother to read my responses or you don't know what the word "null" means.

Ray, I had a good read on you, so please don't squash it by annoying me with trivial questions that you didn't even seem to care about. If you think I am scum vote me- if not let's leave THIS alone because it's pointless, I mean unless you have an apology.

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Question to all Kendall wagoners...
What is more likely of a scum partner in your opinion: bussing, defending, or ignoring?

Specifically to Umbrage: Rainbow should be lynched why exactly?


HEY HOW ABOUT THIS. I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PARANOID- PLEASE LYNCH ME....am I scumz now? It's Day 1 guys, get over yourself...

[glowball]

Question to all Kendall wagoners...
What is more likely of a scum partner in your opinion: bussing, defending, or ignoring?

Specifically to Umbrage: Rainbow should be lynched why exactly?

1) All depends on context.
2) Obvious defence is obvious.

So in this situation you think it is more likely that he is scum defending scum? Or scum over defending a townie for cred? How do you feel about my Kendall defense?

Also... TO EVERYONE.
Name 1 Player that you would NOT be willing to lynch today, and why.

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glowball: kendall. I've already said why I think the wagon stinks. I'd rather lynch a few select people on it.

Agreed. I was just about to answer my own question and you answered it for me. I will NOT vote to lynch Kendall today, I still need everyone's answers on that question.

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@glowball

Paranoia is justified.

How does paranoia clear a player as town?

Those two things aren't even equivalent.

Being paranoid is justified, it doesn't make her town- but that aside I believe kendall is town and I believe her wagon has at least 2 scumz on it.
Now, we should do an exercise for all of you newbies who INSIST on labeling things scummy that are NULL. How about you tell me exactly how that could work in scumz favor.

Now Me saying PARANOIA IS JUSTIFIED, led you to jump over hurdles to say that is why I cleared Kendall as town? Nothing I said inferred that Kendall is town simply because she is paranoid....SO....it's annoying to be misrepresented.

Okay, let's look over the whole quote then.

THE K E N D A L L WAGON IS RIDICULOUS.

It's everything scum would want, and overly aggressive player that is an easy mislynch. There are very few instances on day one that a wagon grows that fast on someone who is scum. k e n d a l l is town. There is scum on that wagon and DonJosh's vote is rubbing me the wrong way...

I would like you to remember that we are here to lynch scum, not rid ourselves of players we don't like. I am not going to let you guys mess up my game because you cannot deal with an over anxious player. Trying to hard to be town? Yeah, I got that feeling too. I also know that mafiascum compared to other sites have different ways of calling someone scum. kendall has adequately defended themselves. It doesn't matter if you are pro-town/anti-town all of that is NULL I just played a game with someone who I wanted to strangle, but he was town and was a major part of our win(perfect win in fact). Scum don't like this much attention, and kendall dealt with their votes way better than Beck who just drifted off and didn't say anything. Most players get more aggressive when the votes start piling on because really who wants to die day 1? We all came to play, we all think we have something to offer. Also, whether you think a player is useful or not is none of my concern. Numbers are numbers, and the more townies we lose the closer they are to winning. I'd keep a town body alive just so that we have those numbers. I find the amount of overconfidence aka arrogance quite annoying. Stop over posting with nonsense. Focus, scum is almost never that easy to catch. Look at the people on the wagon there are at least 2 scum there...

NINJA'D
Paranoia is justified. No one knows who is scum, so arguing and being hostile or paranoid isn't weird its the game- people should stop acting as if we know that they are town.

Are you honestly denying that whole bit as not linking kendall's paranoia with her being a newbtown player?

I mean, there is a whole bunch of crap in there that could've just been left out but when you get to the bottom line its really not the outlandish misrepresentation that you're pretending it is.

I guess I am denying it. WHY? Because the paranoia part is the LAST part added as a result of a Ninja'd post by someone else. It actually had NOTHING to do with the rest of that post besides the fact that it has to do with Kendall, it was another side of a different story.

The typo of "If paranoia is justified to you find it useful?" which should read "If paranoia is justified do you find it useful?" really is not a big deal as we both understood what it was meant to say.

Not really sure what you're making a big deal about that for. But you have made it abundantly clear that you do not react well to a couple of simple questions or mild suspicions.

You don't read OBVIOUSLY, because the post in which you are responding to said that I DID NOT understand what you meant. You aren't reading, you are skimming which is causing this whole thing. Be involved, actually read what I am saying or gtfo.

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hey Nanook, could you answer my question...

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@glowball

there are 22 players in this game (excluding myself) that i am not willing to vote for

today

.
i will vote for my highest suspect. at this time that is Umbrage.

Just one name please- who would you at no point lynch day 1?

[glowball]

JUSTIFIED PARANOIA =/= USEFUL

You answered, no confusion, get over it.

I clarified because it was the only way I knew how to respond to your ridiculousness. But keep this coming, I like this back and forth...

k e n d a l l

ha ha. How funny- now seriously, I shouldn't have to say this but besides yourself. You said there are 22 people, just give me one name of someone that you wouldn't lynch

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ha ha. How funny- now seriously, I shouldn't have to say this but besides yourself. You said there are 22 people, just give me one name of someone that you wouldn't lynch

Why are you not bothering hiraki for the same thing?

Because Hiraki didn't go through the trouble to say that there were 22 people that he wouldn't lynch. Hiraki called out the mod, which I view as a joke, basically saying that anyone is fair lynch for him- that was my interpretation.

Kendall, after claiming that there were a lot of people that she would not lynch decided to name herself rather than give the name of one individual out of the 22.

The difference: I take Hiraki's answer as meaning that there is no one he won't lynch day 1- and that was noted. I take Kendall's answer as a cop out without saying it. So I want a name since she says there are 22.

mb, why did you ask the question? I didn't follow my questioning with a vote or anything, what sparked your interest?

I WAS ATTACKED BY NINJA's

hey k e n d a l l, although I see you as town I must warn you that continuing down this path in other games will get you quicklynched. We are here to be helpful- and it isn't a baited question. Why do you think it is?

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ha ha. How funny- now seriously, I shouldn't have to say this but besides yourself. You said there are 22 people, just give me one name of someone that you wouldn't lynch

in case you haven't noticed by my two, subsequent sarcastic responses, i'm not answering that baited question.

i've already answered it in my own way. i won't vote for anyone who is not my

top suspect

, nor will i be swayed to change my vote so the answer to your question is irrelevant.

PLEASE REFER TO MY PREVIOUS POST FOR A QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO THIS...

Also, why do you think I am trying to sway your vote? Because that question wasn't intended for that purpose. Until you know the purpose of a question it is premature to say it is irrelevant.

[glowball]

Yeah Kendall won't help town, that much I can agree. But like mb I am against policy lynches. She's good vigbait though...there's only so much you can do to help someone. It's not about changing your playstyle btw k e n d a l l, it's about having a tad less attitude and I suspect it's more personality than game tactic.

[glowball]

fuck your veteran bullshit

Not only do I love you, you're still not scum.

FFS GUYS.

THIS IS BLATANTLY OBV. BOLD NEWB. TOWN.

I agree.

Although, k e n d a l l is becoming a distraction so I just encourage people to ignore her. I mean seriously, at this point I can be in the annoying immature player too. If she won't cooperate, I will not cooperate with her and any questions she asks will go unanswered on my part.

[glowball]

Paranoia is justified.

How does paranoia clear a player as town?

Those two things aren't even equivalent. Being paranoid is justified, it doesn't make her town- but that aside I believe kendall is town and I believe her wagon has at least 2 scumz on it.
Now, we should do an exercise for all of you newbies who INSIST on labeling things scummy that are NULL. How about you tell me exactly how that could work in scumz favor.

STARTING WITH
Kendall is playing the newb card, or she isn't- yes she is....blah blah blah
One way or the other how doesn't being newb help scumz? Outside of Road to Rome it really does no good- it's actually more of a death sentence than anything else. It doesn't make a person town either, so....
IT.
IS.
NULL.

Find the motivation in her actions..and then you can push the wagon.

From what I see, kendall is probtown....Hiraki's gamble was spot on to you guys, although lining up lynches is never good I get what he means. You guys aren't using the logic that you should all have.

From this post to your #354 your read changes from "probtown" to "obvtown" on Kendall. What changed from there to now to make your town read on her stronger?

She refuses to buckle and keeps fighting. Scum with this much heat would have back down long ago so the more time that goes by and she is still holding strong says a lot. I mean it's ridiculously ignorant for any player, but scum would never let it get this far. I mean Kendall has a very me against the world type mentality which is just stupid- being paranoid is one thing, but as town SOMEONE else is working towards the same goal as you and she's just being unhelpful. That being said being unhelpful doesn't make someone scum, and her will and blatant disregard makes her obvtown to me.

I do hope however, if there is a vig out there with no other leads- shoot her because her whole attitude is getting old really fast. If she coasts through to end game with an equally as disillusioned player town will lose because k e n d a l l is making herself a scum asset.

[glowball]

She refuses to buckle and keeps fighting. Scum with this much heat would have back down long ago so the more time that goes by and she is still holding strong says a lot. I mean it's ridiculously ignorant for any player, but scum would never let it get this far.

that's not true dude. she would be under even more of a microscope if she changed her attitude. the more she rants and raves, the more people start spontaneously calling her town and pushing to move elsewhere.

but it's ok - she dead soon

Well we aren't here to compare our game theory...and you don't have to keep saying that last part. We noticed the first time, just do what you need to do if you can.

[glowball]

it's relevant to this game so I brought it up. We're not just going to ignore that debate because it's theory...

What you believe scum do, and what I believe scum do have to do with game theory and are not relevant to scumhunting in this game. If we go back and forth about what scum would or would not do we aren't getting anywhere...

So you telling me, that my feelings on k e n d a l l's actions are untrue is not helpful and therefore unnecessary for discussion. Unless you can tell me how you rebutting my OPINION is helpful to finding scum.

[glowball]

Ok, I await your change. : D

@EVERYONE

. I want thoughts on : Snakeside, Glowball, Hiraki, and MikeHard.

I wish I could help, but I haven't gotten a good gauge on those people other than myself. I planned on doing a reread and some ISOs to see where everyone is. That's the one thing I hate about large games, it's more difficult to keep track of people and it's easier for people to lurk for a while without someone noticing. I might be able to give better insight tomorrow night.(it's 10:37PM where I am right now, so same time tomorrow)

[glowball]

Omg no...k e n d a l l...come back- you were so.... awesome? the best mafia player ever.


Thanks, and I love how you think you've found the 5 scumz day one. That is utterly ridiculous, I do agree with some of your reads though. Love how at the end there I am possibly scum as well, since you know, I don't like arrogant players. You were just like everyone else you view as arrogant just on the opposite side.

Alrighty finally home from a crazy day and we're gonna do this right.

Unholy Alliance Of Toys:

Beck
diddin
Flavour Analysis
glowball
hiraki
Rainbowdash

Protected Status But Gets No Say In Anything Ever:

Kendall

Persons of Interest:

chkflip
jmurph
Ray Montao
SodaSpirit17
bobsknox

Death List:

DonJosh
Silver1337
Umbrage
Beefster

This list is pretty dead on- EXCEPT Beck is at least a person of interest until his replacement gets in.

[glowball]

Kendall replacing may be the most town town thing ever done ever.

Thanks, and I love how you think you've

found the 5 scumz day one.

That is utterly ridiculous, I do agree with some of your reads though. Love how at the end there I am possibly scum as well, since you know, I don't like arrogant players. You were just like everyone else you view as arrogant just on the opposite side.

?

What's up? She listed 5 people, right? I mean she said one was SK but 5 people is 5 people and to think you've found scum let alone 5 scum, we aren't even sure how many and what this set up is. That was a bold statement for her to make. Do you disagree?

[glowball]

so Umbrage or DonJosh are the two leading wagons. My opinion? Both are great choices, so I want someone to tell me why one should be lynched over the other... Meaning: If you want Umbrage lynched, why is he scummier than DonJosh- and if you want DonJosh lynched why is he scummier than Umbrage. I could honestly go either way, although I think Umbrage might be a little more dangerous as scum.

[glowball]

Hmm... not sure if I believe that. Most people assume people are town or mafia, and to a lesser extent, sk but not jester.

Since Scott let me in due to off-site experience, is the jester role used consistently enough to where it should be a concern on this site or no.

I've never seen it, but I am relatively new PLUS this is the Theme Park which has more flexibility with the roles and game mechanics so it is entirely possible- something to worry about?...well, now that someone has brought it up it will be in the back of my mind but

usually

in large games a jester win doesn't end the game. So, it's not too big of a concern.

[glowball]

3 - kendall hasn't flipped yet. we don't know what that slot's alignment is. you guys are acting like she's conftown and that anyone who found her playstyle scummy is scum. this argument needs to die in a fire

I never said that anyone who finds her scummy is scum. The acceleration of the Kendall wagon means that there is likely to be at least 2 scum on it, IMO. I understand why people think that she is scum, I just don't agree. I have never seen that much hostility from one player, it makes no sense for scum to act like that- it's almost a death sentence. Kendall had no way of knowing how we all would react, even her exit shows that much- if kendall was using her aggression as a scumtactic rather than just personality she would not have replaced out.

But we've squashed this, and you need to put your vote on DonJosh or Umbrage those are the lynch choices for today

[glowball]

glowball I was talking to bogre

You included all of us who have nailed her as town....

3 - kendall hasn't flipped yet. we don't know what that slot's alignment is.

you guys

are acting like she's conftown and that anyone who found her playstyle scummy is scum. this argument needs to die in a fire

I never said that anyone who finds her scummy is scum. The acceleration of the Kendall wagon means that there is likely to be at least 2 scum on it, IMO. I understand why people think that she is scum, I just don't agree. I have never seen that much hostility from one player, it makes no sense for scum to act like that- it's almost a death sentence. Kendall had no way of knowing how we all would react, even her exit shows that much- if kendall was using her aggression as a scumtactic rather than just personality she would not have replaced out.

But we've squashed this, and you need to put your vote on DonJosh or Umbrage those are the lynch choices for today

[glowball]

Ray, why the unvote for Kendall, if you think she is scum then she is scum. So wtf?

[glowball]

@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

[glowball]

You know what, just lynch me. Whatever. I'm too lazy to write a wall...

And who said you had to write a wall? Are you really playing defeatist on Day 1? How is that not scummy?

[glowball]

@Flavour Yeah you're right. glow what's the deal? Do you just understand now?

Just understand what? None of my opinions have changed so I don't know what you are getting at, clarify please?

[glowball]

@Flavour Yeah you're right. glow what's the deal? Do you just understand now?

Just understand what? None of my opinions have changed so I don't know what you are getting at, clarify please?

Ray, why the unvote for Kendall, if you think she is scum then she is scum. So wtf?

1. I would never continue a vote on a replacement on D1. ESPECIALLY if that replacement is a good one.
2. I think I've stated multiple times my vote on kendall was placeholder.

So I don't know where your confusion is coming from, but its misplaced.

Am I to understand that the second quote is you clarifying your original question? I'll assume so...

That being said, why are you questioning me about a question you already answered? Were you looking for some sort of validation or even a rebuttal? I asked you a question. You answered. What more do you want from me? A pat on the back, gold star, argument? I recognized that you said Kendall was a "placeholder" vote, but I also recognize that you wanted her lynched- you've been basically straddling the fence and instead of going through another back and forth, I've just decided to take note of your responses.

[glowball]

@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

Hm. You're not asking why Hiraki is defending bob? Our posts are quite close to each other. Interesting.

Classic deflection, and exactly what I thought you'd do as scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

[glowball]

Well since other players were asking when you were going to decide to answer I brought it back up so you can attempt some sort of rebuttal...since it seemed you were confused enough to throw out a wtf.

As for going back and forth please point out when I've straddled on anything. I pushed for kendall and now I'm pushing for Umbrage.

There was nothing to rebut, btw. It was just a question and you answered it- not everything is an attack. You straddled on Kendall, and you distanced yourself too. That is my opinion, no point in really discussing it because you aren't in my top suspects anyway and you definitely aren't my lynch choice for the day.

[glowball]

There was nothing to rebut, btw. It was just a question and you answered it- not everything is an attack. You straddled on Kendall, and you distanced yourself too. That is my opinion, no point in really discussing it because you aren't in my top suspects anyway and you definitely aren't my lynch choice for the day.

Flavour was wondering why you didn't respond to it and wanted to see a response, as did I. And I'd like to know who I supposed distanced myself from. Your "opinion" that I was straddling on kendall (which I don't understand how you could've come up with that) is your opinion I suppose.

Answer me this... Why are you so concerned?

AND Let's go Umbrage wagon!!!!!!!!!!!! DonJosh, is still prob scum, but he's obviously no threat and we can only lynch one at a time. I'm okay with either lynch but Umbrage seems like the best choice right now.

[glowball]

OKay, Hiraki- if the DonJosh wagon gets more heat, I'll hammer I have no problem with that. I just think that Umbrage is scumz

[glowball]

Nope.

He's too townie.

I don't see why scum would deliberately give up on Day 1.

I did it.
Newbie game.
It's so ridiculous that it almost always works...and in this instance, I am going to vote hop back given DonJosh's last statement.

VOTE: DonJosh

Seriously, I just want one of those two gone anyway...and seriously Hiraki, I overlooked your vote change to Ray M.- at best he's SK and right now not a threat, if so let him kill scum since they are more of a danger to him anyway...

[glowball]

Answer me this... Why are you so concerned?

Uhhh because you're the one straddling back and forth between wagons. So I'm trying to figure out what other behaviors you're going to shit throw on other players when they're not true and then go and do it yourself.

You did straddle on Kendall- You wanted her lynched because she was scummy, then she just wasn't an asset to town even if she was town, then she was just a placeholder..

I am not straddling.
I want DonJosh and Umbrage gone- with each post they both move up the scum list. Those are my top two choices and I will hammer either one of them today. So between the two of them, I don't care who goes. That's solid. I'm calling it. THEY ARE BOTH SCUM.

[glowball]

You just described my play: an advancement of opinion on a player as the game progresses.
And your play: straddling two players to get either lynch.

...

Your play is straddling, and distancing from a lynch, so that you can say "oh well I told you guys that she was town, or I told you that she was scum" It's what scum do to try to get points no matter what the flip is. That being said....

There is no straddling- you need to really get what straddling means. Both of my reads are SOLID there is no waivering. Both of them are scum, if I could I'd lynch them both today. So yes, either lynch is fine...what is your problem with that? You've got evidence of me saying it...I am standing firm and thusly will take any blacklash that comes with it.

[glowball]

Your play is straddling, and distancing from a lynch, so that you can say "oh well I told you guys that she was town, or I told you that she was scum"

That is completely off base. When I EVER do that you can call me out on it. But don't waste your breath, because that is NOT my style of play and not once did I say that kendall was not scum.

When you call your vote a placeholder, you are implying that you don't really think she's scum. Your vote should always be on who you think is scum. Not to mention, the tid bits about her not being an asset to town (even if she is town).

[glowball]

VOTE: glowball

The last two pages have convinced me she needs to go first. She's panicking. The mislynch she wants isn't happening fast enough, so she's trying everything she can to hurry it up. No town motivation to do this.

Or is it because I've nailed you and DonJosh as scum? Oh, I am right- hey let's try this. Push my lynch, watch my flip and then KILL UMBRAGE AND DONJOSH...it works for me. Also, throw Beck in there too- since neither one of them want to tell me why they think he's town.

[glowball]

No bluff, I won't even fight it- but I know that you love it because I've nailed you

Seriously guys, get behind this. No joke, I don't want any hesistation

Lynch me.
Then lynch Umbrage, DonJosh, and Beck

I won't even fight the votes, I want this guy exposed for what he is. It's not VI, he's scum and if that isn't enough then lynch me.

[glowball]

I'd like your vote then please.

[glowball]

I have a town read on Rainbow, I think they came in strong and I agree with MOST of what they've said so far. Really not top on my scum radar. I've stated my top reads...

[glowball]

@

Glowball

: What do you think of Rainbow's recent play and actions?

I just answered that.

[glowball]

Oh, I thought you meant 'came in strong' as in when she replaced in, sorry. That's why I asked further. What exactly did you agree with?

I agree with Rainbow's original reads, why?

[glowball]

I don't like his most recent post because exactly as he said, he's being wishy washy. Also, his little tid bit about the 2 scum factions, not that it isn't plausible or even likely I just don't know why people seem to be banking on it. There are large theme games with one scum team.

[glowball]

.
Both heads agree on Ray being town, and on Glow being nullscum.

Ray, probably not scum although I wouldn't be surprised if he was 3rd party. The second part really caught my attention- I thought you guys as hydra would be able to see my alignment clearly....you've already played with "glowscum" and this is not even close.

[glowball]

Glow

: July had you as town that game. I had you as scum there. Here, I had you as null, because I have seen your recent play in other games. You wouldn't do the same as you did in your newbie. I have seen you attack plans even if it meant death to your slot, but the game is still ongoing so I don't really know what TownGlow would do. Your recent actions as I have explained, are why I feel you are null-scum. What do you think of the reasons I have presented?

I am calling for death to my slot right now! I mean if you think I am scum, I am really begging for my own lynch. I want to not be a distraction and I want you specifically to realize that I am so confident in my reads I'd sacrifice myself. Usually a ploy I know- but I am prepared to die without argument...on the condition that if/when I flip town you avenge me and take down Umbrage and DonJosh for sure.

[glowball]

Hold on- are the questions always going to be at that time of day and we are electing people? did I miss something, I thought you won the gift...

They can pop up at any time, but I wouldn't count on it between 3am-9am EST as I am usually asleep.

[glowball]

So why are people voting on it?

[glowball]

Oh well, I would have definitely answered the questions if I was online to do so

[glowball]

To limit who gets the gift? No.

[glowball]

Because there are scum among us, who is to say that we will vote on the correct people to receive the prize? It all goes along with individual reads compiled with group reads that aren't necessarily accurate. I mean you said you want Ray to get a gift, well I disagree- not because I think he is scum, but because I just don't trust him regardless of alignment.

[glowball]

Ray hasn't demonstrated an adequate grasp on the game IMO, I don't trust how he might use any gift- we don't know what the gift is and so he could do a lot of damage or just waste the gift if he uses it frivolously

[glowball]

@ Umbrage, stop insulting people and calling them scared to deter votes. We all see it and it's obviously not working.

[glowball]

why? It's an opinion, if you want information you should be more active as to do it yourself. I am really not here to convince you of anything, if you want to know read his ISO.

[glowball]

are you talking about the trivia? because I am saying you don't have a grasp on MAFIA and reasoning.

[glowball]

I'll humor you, why would I-as scum- say that? What motivation would I have to insist that you don't try to scare people into not voting you....

Fear is not an argument Umbrage, you're using the scumtactic of AtE with fear to deter votes. Usually logical fallacies don't bother me too much, but the ones pertaining to fear with no other argument are so obviously scum. It's day one, and you are trying to intimidate people.

[glowball]

I am very interested in everyone is who has a scum read on me, so...if you do please elaborate and I want examples and motivation.

[glowball]

Okay, since no one is taken up on my proposal I really think Umbrage needs to go- this is the last time I change my vote short of a miracle. Umbrage needs to go- he is scum.

VOTE: Umbrage

[glowball]

Hiraki, Ray isn't a reasonable Day 1 lynch- as much as I am disliking him, he's helpful and I genuinely don't think he's scum. Like I said possibly third party but that is even a stretch.

Get with this Umbrage, he is so arrogant- he needs to be shut down. I am wagering to say with arrogance like that he's not only scum he's got some tricks too.

ALL DONJOSH WAGONERS- Hop on over to Umbrage, you will not be disappointed

Vote Count 1-12

DonJosh

(6)- SnakeSide, NanookTheWolf, Bogre, SodaSpirit17, glowball, mikehart,

Umbrage (3)- Ray Montano, Rainbowdash, PeregrineV,

Not Voting (5)- Silver1337, mb53, Opposed Force, inHimshallibe, DonJosh,


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is August 18th at 1pm EST

Since this post- diddin and myself have switched to Umbrage

Putting Umbrage with 5 votes, All the DonJosh wagon needs to get on this...DonJosh is probscum, but so is Umbrage and I guarantee he is more of a threat.

[glowball]

I just realized I don't think I've made it completely clear why I think Umbrage is scum....

@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

Hm. You're not asking why Hiraki is defending bob? Our posts are quite close to each other. Interesting.

Classic deflection, and exactly what I thought you'd do as scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

More often than not- scum deflect like this. Scum will answer questions posed by other scum or even defend scum. Umbrage came to DOnJosh's defense and instead of stating why- he tries pulls the feeler move and deflects the question onto Hiraki. Townies should not be concerned with what anyone else is doing- you don't know anyone's alignment, let alone everyone's thoughts on every player.

Not to mention this scummy post....

Kendall is still scum. In my experience those who try to be aggressive town leaders, particularly early in the game, are scum.

Kendall wagon is bad. I just honestly don't see anything terribly bad she's doing other than annoyingly not using capitalization. From my experiences, noobscum like to lurk, stay under the radar, and draw as little suspicion to themselves as possible. Kendall is doing none of those things.

WIFOM. Bad diddin.

Glowball oozes town btw. Bobsnox is also scum, but I doubt he's on the same team as kendall. Everyone else is null and posting too much. Chill.

He says I ooze town, then goes completely different and calls me scum and even votes me instead of others he's had scum reads on consistently.

Umbrage is scum.

Sorry Hiraki- I cannot help get Ray lynched Day 1, it's stupid. Lynch Umbrage and we will talk about it later...

[glowball]

he's helpful and I genuinely don't think he's scum.

I

OUTLINED

HOW HE ISN'T.

HE'S TUNNELED ON KENDALL ALL DAY BEFORE GOING TO OTHER PEOPLE HE PICKED OUT OF A HAT.

FFS.

Y U MAKE ME ANGRY

Hiraki, it is my opinion that Ray wouldn't have been that tunneled if he knew Kendall was town. Why would he set himself up like that? I will say he's been wishy washy but I am not seeing the threat. Get with Umbrage or get lost.

[glowball]

Note how glowball only started saying I'm scum when I said she was scum. Hm hm hm?

Feeler post.

Actually we found each other scummy almost simultaneously, and I placed a vote on you first....

@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

Hm. You're not asking why Hiraki is defending bob? Our posts are quite close to each other. Interesting.

Classic deflection, and exactly what I thought you'd do as scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

Then after I vote you, you turn around from saying that I "ooze town" to that I am scum and basically OMGUS vote me a few posts later. You disguised it as something else, and I vote hopped and you jumped on that fast- you were looking for opportunity to get the person who knows you are scum lynched. Truth is: You called me town, until I turned my focus towards you.

[glowball]

I am okay with lynching DonJosh because I think he's scum, however Umbrage is a bigger threat. We are talking DonJosh(probgoon or something) vs arrogant Umbrage (probmafPR?). I think we have definitely hit the jack pot finding DonJosh and Umbrage- but I guarantee you the longer we put off lynching Umbrage the harder it will be. Umbrage needs to go- DonJosh is less of a threat.

[glowball]

BIGGER.
THREAT.
=
UMBRAGE

instant death? idc...if you guys cannot see this I don't know what else to say. Get Umbrage out of here.

*and yes, the earlier statement was basically a joke but at least it gets attention when it seems like everyone is ignoring me.

[glowball]

oh and

V/LA thru Tuesday

Driving down to LA to see HairSpray at the Hollywood Bowl

I leave in 12 hours, so whatever you need to say to me or ask me needs to be done pronto- because I will MIA after that.

[glowball]

I am okay with lynching DonJosh because I think he's scum, however Umbrage is a bigger threat. We are talking DonJosh(probgoon or something) vs arrogant Umbrage (probmafPR?). I think we have definitely hit the jack pot finding DonJosh and Umbrage- but I guarantee you the longer we put off lynching Umbrage the harder it will be. Umbrage needs to go- DonJosh is less of a threat.

Umbrage is either getting vigged tonight or lynched tomorrow. DJ gets killed tonight simply for the fact that a single scum game means Umbrage is town, and if a flip shows one faction it means Umbrage is just Derpy Pony.

Move your vote. This game is being unified.

@Hiraki - Why is DJ town?

You cannot guarantee Umbrage is getting vigged and it is YOUR theory that he can't be scum if there is one faction. I disagree- I think Umbrage is scum- he needs to go NOW. The game is not being unified- I don't follow orders. I am going with my strongest scum read and DonJosh is really just some fall back lynch. GO with Umbrage.

[glowball]

You cannot guarantee Umbrage is getting vigged and it is YOUR theory that he can't be scum if there is one faction. I disagree- I think Umbrage is scum- he needs to go NOW. The game is not being unified- I don't follow orders. I am going with my strongest scum read and DonJosh is really just some fall back lynch. GO with Umbrage.

@Rainbow: I'm more for either FA/Umbrage over DonJosh. Don't ask why just reread FA and tell me how asking question and having null reads = town. As for Umbrage the refusal to answer questions, no scum hunt and put a crap case does not = VI.

You two need to realize the biggest thing about Umbrage, which is the only reason he doesn't eat rope today; His slips is only valid in certain situations, and if the situation is not true, it ceases to be a scumslip and actually becomes a serious town tell. We have no clue if there is one or two factions. Do I think there are two? Signs point heavily to yes, especially if my reads are correct. The big thing is though, if there is one faction, Umbrage IS town. Its not maybe, but its almost for sure town.

He doesn't give me the illusion of someone who is very competent, at all. Infact its glaringly obvious he is a VI who probably gets lynched in over half his games and doesn't seem to want to ever get better. This just makes it more likely of a town tell though if there is one faction because I don't think he is smart enough to actually plant a two faction slip as a one faction scum member. Makes no sense especially as anything that can be construed as a slip like that makes it likely for someone paying attention to catch it and him get lynched.

If there is ANY solid evidence that shows two factions, Umbrage is getting wagoned up faster then I can clear the skies, its not here past my reads though. DJ is the lynch because he works both ways, and is legitimately scummy.

@farside - FA isnt my strongest town read, but I don't support a lynch of him right now.

WHY DOES IT MATTER IF THERE ARE TWO FACTIONS?! What makes you think that Umbrage must be town if there is only one?! THAT IS YOUR OPINION. :capsrage:


ragerageragerageragerageragerageragerage

I swear Rainbow I hope my read on you is right, and if it is I am going to want to virtually strangle you/never play a game with you again.

You are forcing your own thoughts- It's day one, not the day to dissect if there is more than one faction. We have no solid evidence EITHER way. So lynch Umbrage and let's get the ball rolling right. DonJosh's lynch will basically leave us as square one for Day 2, he's been lurking and we will have no leads. At least this way, you've definitely got me to look at when you lynch Umbrage. HE NEEDS TO GO.

[glowball]

@glow - Umbrage called for *two* factions early. That is one of the biggest tells against him that no longer applies if there is only one scum faction. When something like that exists, its time to step back and give them room. Even VI town can be useful, so if the tell becomes a town one instead of a scum one, we act on that.

PEOPLE
FAKE
TELLS
TO
GET
YOU
OFF
THEIR
CASE

That doesn't clear him. You are playing really ridiculously if that is all you have. I am NOT letting Umbrage slide until YOU figure out how many factions there are. This game is stalled because Umbrage is the lynch- so mosey on over here and let's get this done!

[glowball]

Seriously, if we don't lynch Umbrage today- we might as well lynch me, because if we are letting Rainbow run this on his faction theory based on something Umbrage said then you guys are off to a bad start anyway.

[glowball]

I am going to lose my mind- I feel like I am shouting at walls.

MOVE YOUR VOTES TO UMBRAGE and MOVE THEM NOW.

[glowball]

ISO Umbrage and give me some RECENT scum hunting- his posts are feeler fluff. Beefster, IGMEOY if I get Umbrage lynched and he flips scum like I suspect.

[glowball]

I beg you guys to ISO Umbrage, he isn't doing anything but deflecting and feeling out other players. He definitely isn't scum hunting and he tries his best not to answer questions directly. Seriously ISO him and look at his most recent posts. How am I the main one seeing this? It's OBVIOUS

[glowball]

Whatever guys. DonJosh is scum but so is Umbrage...

Hopefully scum will be too scared to kill me during the night and if they do you need to kill Umbrage REGARDLESS of the factions. That is so ridiculous I want to shake a baby.

This is just getting so annoying and I am obviously too invested and pushing too hard. I am just going to be generally unhelpful since you guys want to act this way. This whole "No.No- we're right, your wrong." I don't need the arrogant attitudes. Your reads are no better than mine. I agree DonJosh is scum, but seriously Umbrage is the day one lynch- he won't be easy to lynch later on and at this rate we are bound to lose if that is how the majority views it.

Say what you will about me, I am done fighting this fight. MY VOTE WILL NOT CHANGE

[glowball]

This two factions nonsense will lose the game for us- and I pray that you two die before end game because there is nothing concrete about that!

[glowball]

Meaning whether or not there are two factions READ UMBRAGES ISO- there is a ton that makes him scummier than other players! He is a feeler, active lurking through this game- no scumhunting with huge deflection.. and he'll laugh himself all the way to a win.

[glowball]

k...whatever. I am going on the record RIGHT NOW because I WILL gloat when this game is over

FOR SURE SCUMZ
Umbrage
DonJosh
Beck

go ahead and say that there is at least two anti-town in

Beefster
Chkflip
jmurph
Flavor Analysis
Bogre

I want this to be known, and I will be blacklisting Rainbowdash and SpyreX if there ARE NOT two factions AND Umbrage is STILL scumz. Because being so narrowminded day one, on a factions theory is just ridiculous

***Shakes baby as promised****

[glowball]

BEEFSTER- I DO NOT NEED TWO FACTIONS TO BE PROVEN!

RAINBOW AND SPYREX DO...

[glowball]

I might just replace out

I am going to have to sit here and watch as people flock to an easy lynch even if it is on scum. All DonJosh's lynch will probably tell you is that OH NO, there's only one factions Umbrage is conftown... and everyone will get played for the rest of the game. That swing is what worries me- IF YOU DROP YOUR FACTIONS THEORY I WILL GET ON BOARD WITH THE DONJOSH LYNCH but there is NO REASON to cut Umbrage slack if there is one faction or two. He obviously tried to fake a tell with you and it worked.

[glowball]

So in short: the case on DJ is for him being to short and concise. It's a wagon based entirely on his playstyle? You don't always have to explain your reads. Not everyone has the time for it. Some players post walls. Some players post sentences. Some players post somewhere in between.

I will have nothing to do with the DJ wagon.

@glowball: Sheesh, Fiesty. Noted.

I don't exactly understand glowball's reasoning. Calling DJ's wagon an easy lynch, yet agreeing with a DJ lynch. I probably missed something somewhere, because not even bad scum straddles like that.

I am saying that DonJosh is scum but due to Rainbow's factions theory when we lynch DonJosh if he doesn't flip as another faction then they will basically let Umbrage off the hook- thus making him that much harder to lynch because until there are two factions proven Umbrage is conftown to them. It's a stupid theory which is why I don't want DonJosh to flip first because it will probably play right into the negative aspect of their theory and Umbrage will never be lynched- more jokingly it'd be just our luck if he's investigation immune and then we'll never be able to prove it. He might as well go first, so there is no question. We all already agree that DonJosh is scum- VIG HIM.

[glowball]

UMBRAGE WILL NOT LIVE TO LYLO

OK THERE DONE QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT GOD IN HEAVEN THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE AGAIN I REITERATE D1 !+ LYLO

Uh huh- whatever. You may not be here to ensure that, and we've got a lot of people who aren't even on that same page who might just let him. Thanks though..

[glowball]

I could not care less Spyrex because Rainbow is town in my opinion, but you- well I'm not so sure on that right now. Neither of you are even thinking about the possibility of you being WRONG

Sorry Rainbow, I'd follow a DonJosh lynch day 2. Today is not that day, Umbrage is today.

I want a plan for if your theory is wrong and then MAYBE I can think about it.

[glowball]

Like what happens if

DonJosh's flip doesn't show two factions...what then?
What if you continuously lynch and there turns out to be one faction?
Then Spyrex gets killed and you get killed
and Umbrage is left- and now you've convinced people that your theory is right when there is nothing concrete about it


You can be wrong- you do realize that, right? I've even thought about it in reference to myself, and to ask me to follow you without concrete evidence of two factions is ridiculous. I am not following some theory on Day 1

[glowball]

Wow Flavor...really? Calling my newbie game meta? Ok.

I am frustrated right now because I am so sure but you guys want to sheep another way and it makes me want to quit or pull my hair out. I wont but I know a whole lot of you will not hear the end of it when I am proven right and I flip.

AND FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME
I
DID
NOT
SAY
THERE
ARE
TWO
TEAMS
RAINBOW
SAID
THAT
GOD PEOPLE READ!!!! I AM FIGHTING AGAINST ANY RIDICULOUS FACTION THEORIES! ITS DAY ONE THE FACTIONS ARE NOT A FACTOR. IT WASNT MY IDEA SO......MOVE PAST IT
ragerageragerageragerage

[glowball]

MOD: I need a replacement, sorry

[glowball]

CAN I COME BACK????

I really need mafia as a distraction right now. I replaced out because of my real life issues, but I'd much rather use this as an escape

Glowball is back.

[glowball]

Okay got the okay from the MOD, I am back- and Umbrage still needs to go, sooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah

[glowball]

@

Snakeside

: This is where you shouldn't take it up as frustrated townie. She HAS AtE'd to the benefit of her faction in her newbie game (She was scum). I don't factor in her AtE as a read. I WILL push for her through all that. I think her AtE should be taken as null. Again, if her AtE seems forced, it most likely is. I haven't seen her flip town while AtE'ing yet, but I still take it as a null tell. I do feel it is unnecessary from her.

I thought you said that you don't think I will play the same as in my Newbie game- and THAT is the only real source you have to cite where I AtE'd so... either you will take my newbie play as a factor or you won't. You are picking and choosing and then pushing to paint me as scum and you aren't even voting me.

I heart you Flavor, but this is shifty business...

IGMEOY

[glowball]

Fourseen, why did you switch?

Yes. I too am interested in this explanation...

Also, you worry me but Umbrage still needs death and I believe that's 9 votes? So 4 from lynch.

[glowball]

UNVOTE: ,VOTE: Umbrage.

For the record Umbrage is not even close to the top of my scumreads, but at this point I just want this day to end

so damn badly

. I would also consider a lynch on Fourseen, since his whole random "What do people think of me" post seems incredibly bizarre, ill-timed, and scummy as all get out.

So basically if Umbrage flips scum you're not to blame because you didn't suspect him.

Not that I disagree with that point on jmurph but whether Umbrage flips town or scum, people will be screaming either way. There are very few people who were FOR this lynch and a lot of people who fought to derail it. I feel like half the wagon as done some distancing at some point....so those who fought it and then later joined will be suspect and those who never joined will be suspect. It's about being genuine.

And I am so ready for this flip...come on more votes.

[glowball]

Scratch that entire claim from Umbrage. I am Bo Peep, and I am NOT a watcher...

[glowball]

Glow you are so obvtown, but if you want me to vote Umbrage you need to give a fullclaim.

If he flips watcher, guess who's going next? (But I doubt that's what happens)

Okay I am not at L-1 and think about what you are asking- will it benefit town or scum more? The point is you have Fourseen who has kind of soft claimed and I claimed his character name. Umbrage is obviously lying and if you think I am obvtown there is nothing more to say about it. I am not fully claiming because I am not countering any PR- I am countering the character name. Just you saying that throws up red flags for me, I really want to know how that will help town more than scum?

AND if he flips watcher, then he shouldn't have lied about his character claim, but I am not worried this just confirmed everything!

[glowball]

First and foremost- I need all of those who doubted my superior scum hunting abilities to bow down and kiss the ring.

I hate that the night kill didn't reveal much, we are still working with the same crap that we had before basically...

Here are my concerns:
We aren't directing any possible Vigilantes or Serial Killers and we need to make that a priority before the day ends.
The DonJosh now PetroleumJelly possible wagon- I am conflicted. DonJosh seems to be on my list because of how Umbrage came to his defense however since PetroleumJelly replaced in it is hard to read. HE SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN HOWEVER.

Persons of Interest for Day 2: SpyreX, PetroleumJelly, Beefster, Flavour Analysis, Opposed Force/Blonde Doctor, Chkflip

[glowball]

Okay Guys We need to carry on with the order of my lynches...

excuse you...

Obviously this game is going by the "Follow the Glowing Ball" theory..

it's been tested and approved.

[glowball]

I believe Me and You Doubled Up for that Last Lynch Thank You Very Much. We Both Denied That Claim.

I didn't need a claim to deny, Umbrage was scum to me before that and I had to work for that lynch THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Now...that isn't what is important, what is important is waiting for scum to speak...

Donjosh ====> Flavour======> Ray All Need To Go

Yeah we aren't lynching DJ/PJ. Remember I said there was a town tell that opened up sometime between end of the first day and opening of the second day? I haven't gone way back yet, but PJ hit it during the very tail in of when it was valid, so it weaker but there. Just have to go back and see if anypony hit it when its super solid.

Also seriously you two? Claim was really obviously fake, didn't need you two to bust it. Early move today is to mike.

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO...

You have been wrong adamantly so - you will not be listened to.

[glowball]

Rainbow... are you saying I can't get stuff done?
Your reads are off which may compromise the game. In that event FOR ANY PLAYER, I would ask them to lay back and contribute when they have found NOTABLE scum moves. Your town reads mean nothing.

Reasons will be clear soon- just as I flip flopped back and forth between DonJosh and Umbrage, I want to find the person who needs to go today and there are two people for today...

Either DonJosh's replacement PetroleumJelly or BlondeDoctor(Beck/OpposedForce)

Also...NanooktheWolf lurking- NOTED.

[glowball]

Also...Rainbow...you pushed for DonJosh's lynch yesterday with some crack pot theory- Maybe I missed seeing this change of heart you had? Because I don't know how now PetroleumJelly is town slipping. Not that it matters because I probably wouldn't buy that anyway, because town slips are often faked....I just don't like that your lead lynch for yesterday is now not at all a possibility.

Seems like your motives for yesterday were to leave either DonJosh or Umbrage off the hook for Day 2, *also noting the safety you promised those for sheeping you last day phase*
I have a town read on you, don't make me question it.

[glowball]

Hey guys. Glowball is scum. Think about it. Umbrage isn't a moron, he wouldn't just fakeclaim a random character and go O I HOPE NO TOWNIE IS THIS CHARACTER. You would have to be functionally retarded to do that. Glowball is scum with Umbrage, they have a pool of fakeclaims, and she "counter claimed" him for town cred.

Unvote, Vote: Glowball

Umbrage flipping Mafia also makes Hiraki/his replacement look terrible.

I HIGHLY doubt a double vig kill to whoever said that.

I knew this was coming- and you guys will jump on the policy lynch but my counter claim was fake. I needed to push his lynch and ensure he'd be gone...I saw Fourseen's soft counter but I needed to seal the deal before he had more of a way to weasel out. Yes- I am outwardly admitting to lying because I don't need this to take up the day with nonsense. My real character is Buster- Andy's dog. That's that, and that's life. Oh but...townies don't lie? I lie. I lie as scum. I lie as town. I lie.

Btw- I really bussed a scum partner who was Godfather?! Please.

[glowball]

I find that the arrogance in this game is steady- how many times must you guys be proven wrong until you realize you aren't as fabulous as you think? My arrogance is in jest. Some of you really think you have all of the answers.

This game was played before you and it will be played after you. It'd do us all some good to listen to each other instead of being to high up to pay attention. I mean I even said I wouldn't listen to Rainbow, but if there was a good argument I would. I just don't want a collective arrogance to make us lose this game.

Too many newbies= a general frustration
Too much arrogance= the stalemate we had yesterday

[glowball]

Funny how I think DOnJosh is scum, and Beef was also on my list of suspects. We aren't against each other- I am just against your attitude. You aren't playing by yourself there are tons of other people here. You need to start acting as if your innocence is in question and stop buddying up to Rainbow... whose sanity is well into question with his crack pot theories.

[glowball]

Your innocence is in question by me- whether you care or not is your issue, not mine *AtE on Fear-Noted*

And that list wasn't a suspect pool- it was a persons of interest pool, meaning I am interested in probing those individuals for conversation throughout this day phase. It's alarming that you assume it makes you a suspect- though even with attitude I wouldn't call you scum.

Rainbow's 2 scum faction theory was a crack pot theory. To declare that Day 1 and then to base the lynch on it was ridiculous. I am glad that we didn't lynch DonJosh because had we- Rainbow probably would have ended up calling Umbrage confirmed town. He could have been investigated- found innocent, and skated to the end game. Your refusal to recognize that is saddening.

I find that the arrogance in this game is steady- how many times must you guys be proven wrong until you realize you aren't as fabulous as you think?

My arrogance is in jest.

Some of you really think you have all of the answers.

The point in what I am trying to get you to understand is that you aren't the only player. Hell Rainbow,Flavour, Diddin, any other active players aren't the only players. When we are gone- when there are only a few left you need to leave behind information that will HELP the remaining town, not push an arrogant agenda and pick fights. I am trying to make this easier for us all. You shutting me down like I have nothing to contribute, doesn't help town in fact it helps scum a lot more to know that they can pit us against each other- and they will.

[glowball]

I have mixed emotions on chkflip- I really wish he was more active not so flaky because his RQS just rubbed me the wrong way and ever since then he hasn't really rebounded.

[glowball]

BOBSNOX- Had some playful soft claims, nothing too alarming. I don't get a generally scummy vibe although possibly third party.

I'd put him in the group I have with
Ray Montana
Beefster

as possible SKs

[glowball]

SpyreX you are far more dangerous in end game with closed mind and you may very well lead us to death. You didn't care about Umbrage's fake claim because you just don't care. We need players in this game that care more about winning than they do about teaching lessons to lurkers. I will not allow an elitist mentality cost me the game- you could very well ruin this gmae far worse than any lurker. Why? Because you have a voice and active one, but you aren't using it adequately. You'd rather go back and forth with me instead of admitting where you may have been wrong- you cannot assume the actions of other players. I am cautious so I didn't want to leave Umbrage in game- I don't know the lot of you and if you have what it takes to get things done. It is clear this is going nowhere and I have the information I need.

VOTE: PetroleumJelly

Probable scum, just wasn't the best lynch for yesterday. I play to hit scum- and at the end of the day we can argue about end game, but if we keep hitting scum we never have to worry about that. Optimism- have some and vote DonJosh's replacement since you wanted him lynched so bad and at least we can agree on that.

[glowball]

Also, I am waiting on this "town tell" from Rainbow...

[glowball]

"I don't know the lot of you and if you have what it takes to get things done."= MY ACTUAL QUOTE

"I don't know if the lot of you have what it takes to get things done"= YOUR CHOICE OF PARAPHRASING

I felt the need to repost this because a lot of lazy people skim and although both quotes are similar mine has a different feeling. A different suggestion and vibe. I do not like to be misrepresented. Maybe it isn't important to you, but how you phrase things can be very telling- Just as I learned that you read what you want to read. You have completely blocked out anything that you don't want- so speaking to you is like speaking to a wall. I feel myself sinking into these petty arguments over an internet game I am done for the night. I really try not to insult people personally, but I felt attacked- that is no excuse so I am sorry. I doubt that you will rise about that so, feel free to shout in the forum by your lonesome.

[glowball]

Everyone[/b]: Thoughts on this plz.

Glowball

: How would you feel about being copped ToNight? What is your read on PeregineV?

Peregine

: How would you feel about being copped ToNIght? What is your read on Glowball?

Petroleum Jelly

: You think Glowball is lying about lying? Then what need would there be for Four's soft counter? And I do not think she'd openly lie about another claim then.

These are loaded questions, but I will give you my honest answer...

Being copped tonight is a double edged sward. If you are scum, Flavour, of course you know who is town and who is scum- so while the cop investigates me you have a free night. Although, I would love to be cleared so that I am not a source of debate. However, that could be a problem too because I will ONLY be cleared to one person and it would be in the best interest of the town NOT to out themselves. So no matter what result the cop gets, it's best for them to only push a lynch or try to stall it- and given the fact that this particular group of players doesn't take subtly very well I see that going very badly. So, I will never be truly cleared unless the cop claims and that would just be stupid. People will still call me scum. To be honest, that is fine- I didn't come in to make friends. I came here to win.

I like the chkflip wagon.

I'd support lynching
chkflip
Blonde Doctor
Nanook
jmurph
Beefster
PetroleumJelly

UNVOTE:

[glowball]

^ Seriously, Nanook? Deflection is not defense- just get more active. Try not to concern yourself with how everyone else views "the other lurkers" it's really not a good look.

[glowball]

What accusation? That I am scum with Umbrage? I already addressed this...why would I bus the scum godfather? OH SNAP Mafia Usurper- No thanks, but at least that would make more sense than what he wrote.

I knew I had pinned scum and the rest of you should have known as well...it's that simple, when I have a read I am confident and I go all the way.

[glowball]

Sorry Rainbow... I think you are town, but I just don't trust your reads- I do trust InHim a little- but it is painfully obvious that you guys won't listen to my reason unless I attack by force. If this was any other situation I'd blindly agree, but I don't have faith in some of you.

[glowball]

Rainbow you asked for my faith that DonJosh was scum yesterday and NOW you don't want to lynch him at all...

[glowball]

I have a town read on InHim, but not so much so that I would roll over and let him take the win. There are only 2 players I am completely confident in, and there is no way anyone else feels the same so.... we are having this convo because I will play for whatever comes next.

[glowball]

NEVER SpyreX...possibly diddin

[glowball]

It's JUST a matter of being town. I need someone with an appropriate mindset to inherit a power. Not someone who is close minded and pushing an agenda.

[glowball]

I wouldn't be surprised if any other pony got it- and to be honest, I wouldn't support any lynch against any player that decided to go for it. That is a stupid reason to lynch someone...

[glowball]

You joined in 2004 and you've never known what CC meant?

[glowball]

If you don't have concrete information you are wasting time and putting a target on yourself unnecessarily. All this does is give scum more clues, but refrain from doing this in the future unless you have SOLID information that you plan on disclosing fully because right now we've virtually learned nothing while scum know more and more about you and your soft claiming PR.

[glowball]

AWESOME.

Why are you even speaking?! Did no one read what I wrote?!

So now that you've outed yourself, you've now softly outing Flavour to scum, if he isn't scum. FANTASTIC

[glowball]

VOTE: Flavour

NINJA'D
Yes, Farside- but I don't OMGUS for stupidity. Just because he thinks I am scum, doesn't mean I sealed him as scum. This new information, though is slanted and given this situation we've either nailed scum or lost a vig because if he claims we won't lynch him, but scum will probably kill him. It's logical wifom.

NINJA'D
Ray- I don't think either is likely to be honest...

This is really ridiculous- STOP CLAIMING ROLES PEOPLE and STOP OUTING PEOPLE UNLESS YOU ARE 100% sure!!!!!!!!! We are just feeding scum information

OMG
NINJA'D
so now your basically claiming the kill but you are simply VT since it was one-shot?
UNVOTE:
You are so in my serial killer column

[glowball]

Flavour = Woody. We are a sheriff, thus we carry a pistol. Therefore, we can kill one person at night.

Nope. Meaning he's lucky that I'm not a PR with more abilities that would be wasted by getting night killed.

Your summary of flavor suggests the ability of more than one kill.

[glowball]

I just cannot believe that Fourseen outed this crap.

You do know that our PRs are all we have as a defense?! Ugh mafiarage right now.

VigBait
Fourseen
Flavour
Beefster
RayMontana*

*Stalled on that since I was NINJA'D- Good questioning by Ray,

NINJAD AGAIN
HE IS A HYDRA FOURSEEN PAY ATTENTION

[glowball]

So wait. You're a 1 shot vigilante who can only shoot once and you picked N1?

AND AGAIN...I SUPPORT THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING

[glowball]

Yes I picked N1. Earlier on I was paranoid of being Night killed. Then I didn't want to get roleblocked. I can wait patiently in Skype Mafia games, but not in a large.

I don't buy this... but I also cannot see you as scum with Umbrage so now we are back to that whole two faction theory. DAMNIT

[glowball]

Sure, go ahead. What feels off about my comment, Farside?

Glowball: Why don't you buy it?

Because I have played with both of you and it seems like a faked reaction to Ray's question

[glowball]

Fourseen is a liability and if the vig has no other scum leads- get rid of Fourseen, he definitely shouldn't end game I don't trust that style of play and I am sure some people would say the same about me.

[glowball]

Well you wouldn't know if Fourseen got vigged, he could just as well be NK'd because of his outright claim for no reason. FANTAStIC

It's not catty Farside- it's truth. He isn't necessarily my first choice, but let me get a vig power I am taking out anyone who is a liability. I'd never lynch Fourseen, but as he stays in game- watching people, and outing more and more PRs? He's obviously not using his role intelligently.

[glowball]

I don't know why he would...he already believes your claim.

[glowball]

also, you are basically confirmed Fourseen there isn't much more you need to do except for keep your mouth shut for future endeavors

[glowball]

Rainbow STOP
Stop trying to run things
Your plans don't work
Your reads are off
You are giving me mafia rage!

It's arrogant- and if I shall throw out some of your crack pot theories about factions
Mike isn't scum unless there are two scum factions and until that is proven I will not vote him.

Farside- I only kiss the ass of winners, if he helps me win then yes I will suck up and kiss his ass. At this point the whole lot of you are getting blacklisted when this is over pending flips as explanations for actions.

[glowball]

and btw... farside- the way fourseen is playing he might not even be around to catch scum because I am sure after this he has shot up their Night Kill list! Gosh, I'd think more experienced players would see that.

[glowball]

This isn't follow the leader- I am not following anyone I am not almost certain is town so Rainbow and SpyreX can take themselves some where else. I am going off to bed soon because you guys are frustrating me seriously

Farside- everyone starts out neutral in my eyes. mike doesn't read town, but a lot of people don't read town like YOU. But that doesn't mean he reads scum either, you and him both have yet to make substantial advances in either direction. the scum are super obvious right now if you bother to make the connections

OMG NINJA
Hey Rainbow...check the vote count, I am not voting FA so yeah....get with the program

[glowball]

We aren't lynching FA since that kill was really really really likely to come from town.

I think that's crap and I don't think you're reading the game.

Unless a second full vig claims, I am 100% sure FA is not mafia, and that transcendes mod meta of making extreme core characters town. This is not an exaggeration at all.

A full vig should never claim- only shoot to kill scum.

[glowball]

K- Flavour I answered, you read it and take it as you will. As for your questions, you already think I am scum and truly I don't care- I expected more from you tbh. Oh I forgot, my AtE is so scummy, well I guess I'm just a scummy bastard. I'll be ignoring you from now on and short of an anti-town flip at endgame you will be on my blacklist.

[glowball]

K- Flavour I answered, you read it and take it as you will. As for your questions, you already think I am scum and truly I don't care- I expected more from you tbh. Oh I forgot, my AtE is so scummy, well I guess I'm just a scummy bastard.

I'll be ignoring you from now on and short of an anti-town flip at endgame you will be on my blacklist.

** I used to be against blacklisting, you can check my wiki but the more experience I get the more I see exceptions to the rule.

So, to be painfully clear all of your questions will go unanswered Flavour, if you think I am scum- it doesn't matter what I say, and I am not here to prove anything to you I want to find scum and you want to believe I am scum- so we are done here.

[glowball]

can't be anymore scum than you already think I am, so I think I'll stay with the statement that your questions will go unanswered. We can chat all you want though....

[glowball]

glowball I'd like to know what your read on Peregrine is and why you support a jmurph or beefster wagon.

clever clever- back up noted.

peregrine- not scum, possibly 3rd party or if another faction exists

jmurph is probscum

beefster is prob the same as peregrine

[glowball]

oh and don't think you'll get any more answers by continuing that line of questioning with back up. I don't play that, but I award creativity- just once.

[glowball]

Deathnote..... you dont cc a cleared watcher who obviously made up his character name..... My actual character is cymbol-banging mokey from Toy Story 3

You have no reason at this point to make up a name. Confirmed watcher or not I was right, you are a liability and a distraction. There is a possibility that DeathNote is the character that "you made up" and there is a chance he's lying- but under these circumstances neither one of you can be trusted. Fourseen, your word has been irreparably compromised and I don't even know which way I want to go with this now.

Btw- thoughts...watchers have been seen as both alignment, so stop throwing it out like you are confirmed town, you are a confirmed watcher to a certain degree but it doesn't make you town.

[glowball]

^ that is why i didn't want to name my character name because I felt that it didn't make since for the monkey to be town sided, but as we have seen from woody claim it doesnt make since he has a gun when he didnt even have a holster in the movie.

He does have a holster, we just don't really see his gun most likely because it's a children's movie. Don't fall back on that. There is NO REASON for you to lie as a town PR- if you are here to help the town with EXTRA information, we need to be able to trust you. No one would have cared about your name if your results were proven, but now I have to wonder about your alignment.

[glowball]

Although I somewhat agree with the flavor speculation there is an innate tendency to give favorable characters a town alignment. YES.. it is all speculation, but people cannot say that it isn't in the back of their minds. FOR GOODNESS SAKE, Andy was the town JailKeeper...

[glowball]

I agree and even still the liability and ridiculousness of the playing is enough for me...
VOTE: Fourseen

[glowball]

But you did and you lied. Like we've already pointed out- the PR you've been confirmed as can also be for scum...

[glowball]

Town is gonna be hurting after my lynch and tonight..... jussayin

OMG if you flip scum... I am putting "jusssayin" in your scum meta

[glowball]

SpyreX is being a jerk- but on a more serious level yes you are a liability.
Me? Not so much.

[glowball]

You old school mafiascum players are filled with soooo much arrogance I swear

Yes. I agree and no matter how wrong they are, they won't ever realize that the problem is themselves...they'll blame you for being too scummy or too stupid. It's ignorance deflected at it's finest. I just think you made a mistake- I have no problem with you outside of this game, but your integrity has been compromised.

[glowball]

OMFG.. you just don't stop lying...

[glowball]

uh huh- you are scum.

how did you know who FA visited? Why would FA feed into your story. LINK NOTED.

[glowball]

NO ONE needs to lie as much as you did and you don't guess right out of 20+ players the chances of that are too slim. You flip scum- Flavour is next

[glowball]

there are 20 PLUS PLAYERS

You want me to believe that you picked 1 player out of the whole list and then correctly guessed who visited that person?!

If anything what you did could have cost us an innocent townie! NOW you are either SCUM or a blacklisted townie

[glowball]

I am 99.9% sure you are scum, and if I am wrong well I just don't give a damn- I don't have time for you.

Pending the scum flip from Fourseen- I move that Flavour be vigged or investigated. I mean you could investigate me, but the connection is over obvious

[glowball]

DAMNIT- I so highly doubt that Fourseen is scumz with Umbrage.

He still needs to die, because his flip COULD reveal another faction...

[glowball]

STOP THREATENING PEOPLE- I am really starting to loathe you...

[glowball]

actually I am unvoting
UNVOTE:

just so I can hammer whenever the fuck I feel like.

[glowball]

Hey a useful question! I'll let down my block to answer...

I said it was a crackpot theory TO EXCUSE ANOTHER PLAYER AND STALL A LYNCH DAY ONE BECAUSE OF A TWO FACTION THEORY.

Rainbow said that if there were two factions Umbrage WAS NOT scum.

Fourseen could be scum, I just doubt it if there is one faction but I am not going to DIVERT a lynch because of a personal theory

[glowball]

Hey a useful question! I'll let down my block to answer...

I said it was a crackpot theory TO EXCUSE ANOTHER PLAYER AND STALL A LYNCH DAY ONE BECAUSE OF A TWO FACTION THEORY.

Rainbow said that if there were two factions Umbrage WAS NOT scum.

Fourseen could be scum, I just doubt it if there is one faction but I am not going to DIVERT a lynch because of a personal theory

Ok. What does that make Rainbow?

Um... Rainbow is obviously town. I don't like him very much right now- but he's town. I just disagree with his tactics.

[glowball]

Under the impression that Fourseen is scum- there was no risk for him, he knew who was scum
Like I said before, if Fourseen is town he is blacklisted permanently for ridiculous play...

OH BTW... I was joking the other day when I said the whole lot of you would be blacklisted- actually I wasn't joking, but I was mad. Not serious. HOWEVER, Fourseen as town pulling this? DEFINITELY blacklisted

[glowball]

hey petroleum jelly, stop acting like you need to sort through anything. PEEK A BOO, I SEE YOU SCUMZ

[glowball]

Petroleum- I would like to say in advance that it sucks that you are a replacement. You seem like a great player and that list?! Sacrificing two of your own? LOVE IT. You play as if you aren't scum in the slightest. I wish you were here from the beginning it'd be more of a challenge

[glowball]

I didn't mislead my team. We lynched scum... so he was lying and until I flip you don't really know one way or the other...

and YES I have lied in a finished game- IN FACT.. I lied in HardBoiled about having a PR which resulted in a PERFECT TOWN WIN,

[glowball]

btw before we get into this...

MISLEAD:

to lead in a wrong direction

or into a mistake action or belief often by deliberate deceit

YES- I did deceive, but I DID NOT and DO NOT ever intentionally lead my team in the wrong direction. SO yes, I lie- I think I said that earlier in this game. I lie as town often more than I lie as scum. As, I said- that game you linked ended with a perfect town win

[glowball]

Cute...

[glowball]

That's L-2

[glowball]

Oh I know. I am hammering when I ever I feel like just in spite of Rainbow.

[glowball]

Fourseen- You're compromised. PERIOD. Ray won't be forgotten by anyone, but seriously you are getting lynched.

[glowball]

Everyone who is NOT voting for Fourseen- WHY NOT?
Specifically SpyreX who already voiced his stance on liars- Fourseen is obviously a liar, where is your vote?!

[glowball]

he's L-2. Tonight SpyreX dies.

[glowball]

I WILL HAMMER SpyreX, what are you so worried about?

[glowball]

OMG...I was just ninja'd by myself?

[glowball]

VOTE: Fourseen

[glowball]

you're dead.

[glowball]

actually that was at Soda

[glowball]

hella days late

[glowball]

town-scum, SpyreX is just a pain, and that comment was not alignment related I would just enjoy this game much more if he were gone.

[glowball]

oh and
jmurph
chkflip
petroleumjelly
Blonde Doctor

are all scumz- just think about that going into night...

[glowball]

Rainbow- I will IN FACT keep trying to screw you over for funsies until your attitude changes

[glowball]

[glowball]

I HATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU

oh and
jmurph
chkflip
petroleumjelly
Blonde Doctor

are all scumz- just think about that going into night...

btw... I died the night directly following this post and there was absolutely NO follow up.

[glowball]

This is how arrogance loses games. Perfect example, stubborn players. PJ was pretty darn good, but I saw through very early on.

[glowball]

My lie lynched scum and I am proud of it. I wasn't even lynched because of it, I was night killed. I think there's a line to tread, but I would say lying as PR is more detrimental. I didn't mind sticking out as a simple vanilla townie.

[glowball]

Yea your lie really got that wagon all the way up there all by itself. Made all that happen. Sent bolts from the sky down to evaporate umbrage.

What it did do though was guarantee you were ignored. And guaranteed you wouldn't be at endgame. I'm honestly surprised that scum killed you.

EXACTLY

I didn't need to endgame. That isn't my goal when I am vanilla and YEAH MY PERSISTENCE that Umbrage was scum got that wagon up there, if it was up to you guys he wouldn't have been lynched. It was like pulling teeth. Given the fact that it was OBVIOUS I was semi compromised why wouldn't you look into my suspects more? If you are surprised scum killed me, you'd owe it to yourself and to the game to rise above holding a petty grudge and use all of the information at your disposal to win!

I love how the arrogance loses the game, yet the blame is on everyone else instead of owning up to their poor scum hunting.

[glowball]

Me: but, but spyrex these are the scumz!

SpyreX: la la la la, I'm better than you at this so your reads don't matter

* I lie and lynch scum*

Me: But, but see! He was scumz, obviously I am pretty good at reading people?

SpyreX: la la la, you're still stupid

* I DIE AND AM NOW

CONFIRMED TOWN

*

Ghost Me: They will avenge me, they are all sooooooo experienced they claim to know what they are doing

SpyreX: la la la, I'm just going to ignore this kill and all of the information that you can pull from a confirmed townie. I am not even going to follow up on it in the slightest because I am so much better at this than she is. la la la

*We lose*

Me: OMG guys! For SRS?!

SpyreX: la la la la, it has nothing to do with the fact that I am terribad at this game because I am an arrogant prick who is extremely close minded and doesn't use all the information when scum hunting. It's everyone else's fault because they don't play the way I like. WAH WAH WAH, I cannot handle players that don't live up to my expectations of what town should be. la la la la, not my fault at all.

[glowball]

Whoa, now I am a cheater?

FUCK THAT.

If you know anything about chkflip you'd know he and I are not the best of friends and I am NOT surprised he'd lie on me like that. Hell, I'm pregnant and he's still being a dick to me. I really think that is uncalled for Scott for not even checking with me. I never cheated in anyway, and I don't appreciate the shots at my integrity. Thanks though.