Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #67 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:29 pm

`Hello.

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Ranmaru/July Hydra

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reporting in!

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* I'm sorry, I'm currently

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going through a handful of my favorite snack!

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MMM DONUTS.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #68 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:33 pm

@

Glowball

: I would take this as a null tell. I think it's a good idea since there are some newbies in the game, and it creates discussion for first time players.

1] Why did you decide to give mafiascum a try? I wanted to play more Mafia, I played Mafia offsite.
2] How do you react to people attacking you? I ask them to clarify their reasoning as to why they are attacking me.
3] What will you be known for in this game? Tasting your flavour.
4] What is your time zone? -5 est, you know, near PA.
5] How frequently can we expect you to post? Frequently enough. No worries about me.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #69 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:37 pm

Vote: Hiraki

For not posting in the game yet.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #70 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:24 pm

Everyone on the Beck wagon

: Why essentially are you on it? Have you played with Beck before? (Or seen his play)

Silver

: Why won't you RVS vote ToDay?

Ninty

: You stated dislike towards Silver's non RVS voting policy, why didn't you vote him or at least FoS him?

Bob

: Why did you ask Ninty if he was scum out of no where?

Beck

: Who do you think is the scummiest on your RVS wagon? If so, why?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #77 (isolation #4) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:43 am

Ah ok thank you for clarifying, I didn't notice that. What did you think of Ninty's answer?

Also can you answer this:

Everyone on the Beck wagon

: Why essentially are you on it? Have you played with Beck before? (Or seen his play)

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #78 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:44 am

Scratch my question, Since Snake asked it.

Please answer my second question though (and everyone else on Beck should too)

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #81 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:52 am

Ah ok, I assume you didn't like Beck's play in the past or something?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #83 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:58 am

Why not?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #87 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:09 am

Hmmm ok. Well, ending RVS early is good. Some people don't like to start without it, because it gives them a chance to socialize and do silly things before getting down and dirty. (And I also like the RVS, because I'm a silly guy) Now that you bring that up, I want you both to state your thoughts on the RVS. Why should someone end it early? Why not?

Beck please answer this question

:

Beck

: Who do you think is the scummiest on your RVS wagon? If so, why?

Bob

: You said you were on the wagon to see what suspects Beck would come up with and such, but you see him posting here and you haven't asked him about his suspects or his thoughts on the wagon. Why haven't you done that?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #91 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:15 am

Yes I addressed you and others in my third post in the game.

I think some people missed it.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #92 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:15 am

And yes, please give thoughts on them when you can.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #93 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:19 am

Ninty

: You stated dislike towards Silver's non RVS voting policy, why didn't you vote him or at least FoS him? *Just in case you missed it.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #95 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:25 am

Beefster, Kendall, and Ninty. You three have viewed and have not posted. Please post something.

Thank you, Beck. I'll give thoughts on your wagon shortly.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #97 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:28 am

It will, and it'll be delicious!

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #99 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:30 am

nintendoaddict1 wrote:
hipaddict1 wrote:
Silver1337 wrote:Ohai guys. No random vote from me today. Haters gonna hate.

Then I be hatin'.

Me, sorry.

This right here.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #103 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:40 am

Ninty

: I did note the sarcasm, but I thought that was your honest opinion (that you disliked it) while also saying it in a sarcastic tone. What did you think of Silver not RVS'ing then?

Do you have any other thoughts on the game?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #117 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:08 am

Bob

: What else can Beck say? If he hasn't reacted by now, he's not going to react later (He's already at Half+1). He'll only state who he feels is scummy from his wagon, and you don't seem to care about his suspects. Now what do you think of the others on Beck's wagon?

Ninty

: Why is someone not RVS'ing fine in your POV? Thoughts on the recent players?

Kendall

: I think you mixed up Jmurph with Beefster. (This means Kendall and Jmurph aren't the same alignment) What is your read on Beck?

Peregine

: I want your thoughts on the game.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #124 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:23 am

RVS = Random Voting Stage. Just the beginning of the game where everyone votes people randomly, for whatever reason.

Kendall

: What did you think of Beck's #114? Why do you think he's using it as an excuse?

Ninty

: Recent players meaning, people who have posted recently. Thoughts as in = Are they scummy or townie? Thank you for clarifying your thoughts on RVS

Beck

: Thoughts on Kendall?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #125 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:24 am

Donjosh, I see you posted what RVS means. (And others xDDD)

What are your recent thoughts of the game? Thoughts on the Beck wagon?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #133 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:33 am

I am actually getting to that.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #152 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:27 am

Spoiler: Analysis of Beck Wagon

Thoughts on other players

:

Ninty

-

Null town

. At first he seemed a bit anti-town, but I like his play, mostly because of his mentioned suspicion of Bob and beck (Which I didn’t expect). I’ll put him to null-town because he has only expressed suspicion of popular topics (Bob, Beck) and not others.

Kendall

: I feel she is

town

. I feel she is wrong, but town and I like her play. I feel she is wrong because she misunderstood Beck’s playstyle, as an excuse. If Beck feels tunneling is his way, than that’s fine if it helps him do what he has to do, regardless of alignment. I myself like to spread accusations out, but when I find scum, and I think I’m right, I’m not going to let up. Ever. So, tunneling is helpful because it gets your scum pick lynched, it shows commitment. Mafia can tunnel too, you just have to look at the motivation behind it. I also feel like Kendall has this, confidence and most likely is a strong town player offsite. Her motivation is genuine to me.

Beck

:

Null

. I know I can expect more from him. I think he said he was waiting on others to answer questions before scumhunting further, so I expect some scumhunting from him. Don’t disappoint me bro. I disagree with Chk’s questions being lame, they helped give discussion. It didn’t help find scum, but discussion is an alright thing. (Tho Chk is still null to me and I also need more content from him)

Umbrage

:

Scum

. Just saw his recent post. I didn’t like his suspicion of alpha dogs being a reason for voting Kendall. (Bad reasoning and Scummy). Bob gets scummier for voting along without expressing thoughts on Kendall before.

Vote: Umbrage

Bogre, Kondi, Mb53, Hiraki, GET IN THE THREAD AND POST.

Beefster, Fourscene, Diddin, Mikehart, Ray Motano, Soda, please post a little bit more to become more than a memory.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #153 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:33 am

About Chkflip's questions

: I answered those questions because the info can be useful to town. Mafia already have info (They know who is town) so withholding info because the person asking may be mafia is a bad idea and hurts the town. If you think the person asking is mafia, you push a case and try to get them lynched.

Questions to Kendall

:

What is your read on Chkflip? Nanook? Umbrage?
Did you think the answers benefited the town, or hurt it?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #154 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:33 am

*To be clear, the second question is referring to the answer's to Chkflip's 5 questions*

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #157 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:58 am

That is not buddying. I give my thoughts on all the players that I can. Why didn't you say anything about the people I said were null-town then if you are worried about that?

To spread out the pressure. Funny that you say the whole day shouldn't be spent on one person, now you feel I'm off for voting one of my suspects? Get out of here.

Of course, I want to give some attention to Umbrage. Bob is really scummy, yes, but Umbrage hasn't posted as much and I want more content from him.

I only have one vote, and I will use it how I see fit.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #159 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:02 am

Yes, I'm voting the guy.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #161 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:08 am

I don't know. Need more from him. Bob is scummier than Umbrage. They are both scummy.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #165 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:21 am

Because no one is pressuring my second suspect.

Question to Kendall

:

Why should I vote my top suspect, and not my second or third suspect?
What was your thoughts on tunneling again?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #166 (isolation #27) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:27 am

Mike Hart, Ninty, and Peregine. Please post.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #168 (isolation #28) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:39 am

Ray Montano. What are your thoughts on Kendall, Bob, Umbrage, and Nanook?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #174 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:45 am

Hey Silver. Why didn't you feel like RVS'ing?

NINJAS

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #175 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:55 am

GLOWBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL : DDD

Ah ok. Can you explain why you feel Beck is scum to you now? Can you also give thoughts on Kendall, Nanook, Bobxnox, and Umbrage?

Yes, but those questions weren't really scumhunting, So I don't see him trying to look pro-town there, nor should one think he is town just for that. I deff want him to explain his purpose now, and I want him to post.

There isn't basically nothing to analyze. On the second page, there isn't much to analyze, and the best way to get info TO ANALYZE, is to get discussion going. We have that, and now we have enough to base reads by, as you can see I have even posted my reads.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #176 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:57 am

Flavour Analysis wrote:Ray Montano. What are your thoughts on Kendall, Bob, Umbrage, and Nanook?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #179 (isolation #32) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:08 am

Just a minute there Ray. I was only posting it as a reminder since we were on a new page. I didn't want you to miss it.

I didn't know you were writing the post. Sorry.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #181 (isolation #33) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:15 am

Kendall

:

Mhmm. Btw, you didn't answer why one should vote for the most likely mafia, instead of the second or third likely mafia. Could you get to that?
Thank you for clarifying your stance on tunneling. I feel it helps get your scumpick lynched. I generally spread pressure around.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #245 (isolation #34) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:42 pm

Spoiler: Ketch-up (It's lengthy)

Unvote Vote: Donjosh

He was extremely reaching with his point that Kendall was distancing to everyone, so then she must have been mafia for that. The rest of that post seems like posturing to get onto her wagon.

Good wagons: Donjosh, Ninty, Mikehard, Umbrage, and Bob.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #249 (isolation #35) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:05 pm

Ranmaru wrote:@Hiraki: I don't usually label my head. <-- that sounds weird lol. Anyways, if you'd like to know, the Ran head has been posting the whole time so far. July hasn't had the chance to catch up yet. But don't expect me to label myself. July will announce herself when she comes in, and you can tell the tone is different too.

ACK POST MINE D:

I didn't notice until now

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #252 (isolation #36) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:16 pm

I think that was in response to me. :3

Yes, join me on the DJ wagon.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #255 (isolation #37) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:25 pm

I have already answered that question. I am not scum, but you voting me for connections is bad on D1. You haven't said anything else about my play, nor do you seem to care. You only stated about me asking for people to post.

And I will tell people to post if needed. It was simply a reminder, so deal with it.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #257 (isolation #38) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:32 pm

Ninty

:

1. I didn't notice her post saying that until after I wrote that, but that doesn't matter. What matters is: How does that make her scum?
2. I had you as null-town, but it was a weak read. I'll pull up the reasoning now:

Ninty: At first he seemed a bit anti-town, but I like his play, mostly because of his mentioned suspicion of Bob and beck (Which I didn’t expect).
I’ll put him to null-town because he has only expressed suspicion of popular topics (Bob, Beck) and not others.

See that last line? Your suspicions on Bob and Beck came out of no where, but I liked that you did that. That's IT. People have already expressed suspicion about them, so this was in no way original content.

Then, your vote on Kendall was very scummy. So my read on you changed.
3. But she said only to wait for her to GET ON, to essentially defend herself/claim. Get it?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #259 (isolation #39) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:34 pm

@

Diddin

:

No, there was no scum logic. You don't have to always vote for your top suspect. >_> Stop being dumb please.

I don't do that to seem town. Stop bitching because I told you to post some damn content. Gotta make scum talk. AND I WILL DEAL WITH IT, BY CONTINUING TO PROD PEOPLE TO POST WHEN NEEDED.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #262 (isolation #40) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:40 pm

1. You didn't give original content at that point. You weren't the first on Kendall's wagon. Others have expressed dislike of her. Your REASONING WAS BAD, AND SCUMMY.

No, I will not stop. I am playing the game. It doesn't hurt anyone.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #263 (isolation #41) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:41 pm

@

Ninty

:

How does that make her scum?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #265 (isolation #42) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:43 pm

Can you answer the question though?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #268 (isolation #43) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:53 pm

Diddin

:

Again, it was simply a reminder. There were some people who haven't even posted, and that's all I can do regarding dealing with those people. I then put italics with others I would like to see more from, I know everyone has lives, so do I. It's not like I was badgering you more than once. You should also know that with this many newbs, there might be more lurkers than usual, so it is good to set an example.

Because again, Bob has already gained much attention. I noticed Umbrage's second post while typing up my reads, and I wanted to pressure HIM for that, even though I felt Bob was scummier. I only have one vote.

I did that to see what reasoning you'd reply with, you didn't seem to give much reason and I didn't like it.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #269 (isolation #44) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:54 pm

Ninty

: You DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. how does her 'distancing' from everyone, MAKE HER SCUM?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #271 (isolation #45) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:10 pm

I think she meant that she would keep her distance from everyone because she can only trust herself. This can come from a paranoid townie, usually newb.

I would also like for you to point out each post where she has distanced on a person, that had scum motivation.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #273 (isolation #46) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:34 pm

July head catching up.

chkflip wrote:They have a purpose; please answer them.

1] Why did you decide to give mafiascum a try?
My boyfriend and hydra partner, Ran, brought me here from another forum.

2] How do you react to people attacking you?
It depends. If their reasons are stupid then I can get aggressive, but if they seem like they are genuinely scumhunting then I usually handle it calmly.

3] What will you be known for in this game?
Walls of posts full of quotes, and catching up.

4] What is your time zone?
EST

5] How frequently can we expect you to post?
Probably only every two to three days for a while, I have a lot to do and only a month before college starts up again to do it. Ran's activity more than makes up for that though.

Idc if people don't want to answer the questions but really beating up on these questions are not going to get you anywhere. I actually like random questions rather than random voting because trying to get out of RVS gets super sketchy, people have "real" votes in RVS and some people use RVS as an excuse for voting once its well over, so this is no worse.

k e n d a l l wrote:
Flavour Analysis wrote:
About Chkflip's questions
: I answered those questions because the info can be useful to town. Mafia already have info (They know who is town) so withholding info because the person asking may be mafia is a bad idea and hurts the town. If you think the person asking is mafia, you push a case and try to get them lynched.

Questions to Kendall
:

What is your read on Chkflip? Nanook? Umbrage?
Did you think the answers benefited the town, or hurt it?

i don't like that chkflip asked the town to answer questions. while it did stimulate discussion, those questions potentially serve many anti-town purposes. a good example is when beck used the question "
What will you be known for in this game?
" to open the door to essentially say "
expect me to be scummy on accident, it's my playstyle.
" basically, giving the mafia an early chance to manipulate town subconscious.

now, whether or not beck's intention was mafia agenda is to be determined, but it's an example of one scenario.

not to mention it clogged up several pages with long, pointless answers for the most part. i'm curious as to why people blindly followed, rather than stopping to ask themselves what chk's "
purpose
" was in the first place.

i'm still waiting on nanook's answer about his vote on beck. i pointed out a contradiction, and it's unsettling.

umbrage's vote on me was scummy, for the aforementioned reasons i pointed out. whether that is because he is mafia, or a noob player/retarded is yet to be determined.

Do you realize that there is no one you have addressed that you do not find "suspicious", "unsettling" or "scummy"? By doing that you create a whole lot of doubt and suspicion around so many players that you are basically handing mafia easy mislynches by pointing out everyone's flaws that can easily be exploited. Your play style is also paranoid, and its full of assumptions, like that people don't look at motivation before answering.

Also, wrt our choice in voting: that's our choice, if we find more than one person null/scummy I assure you we have a reason for our vote. No one is near a lynch yet and no one should be this early into the Day phase so our vote doesn't have to be on our top scum pick atm, and we are obviously still working on our reads.

k e n d a l l wrote:
@Umbrage

we have established that i'm agressive. that's my playstyle.
i have yet to be "called out." your vote is a logical fallacy. i do play by making my opinions known. i like to make it known who i think is scummy, and what they did to make me think that. why? because it's in the best interest of the town to call people out on their suspicious behavior. how can you skew this into anti-town behavior? and why?

bobsnox

hmm, where to start in this analysis.

first,

Beck (5)- diddin,
bobsnox
, glowball, chkflip, NanookTheWolf,

first, you bandwagon onto Beck.
now, you jump bandwagons to me because i am

bobsnox wrote:

trying too hard

so, let me get this straight:

you are voting for me because i am trying too hard to be pro-town.
how is someone exemplifying extreme pro-town behavior your first suspect to be mafia?
that, in itself, is a logical fallacy.

you also failed to answer my earlier question:

k e n d a l l wrote:
bobsnox wrote: I'm on it because I want him to die <_<

explain why you want a possible townie dead so early in day one
that's not pro-town behavior in any way; i'm tempted to switch my vote to you already.

i would like for the town to pay close attention to these recent, and future bandwagons on me.
mafia obviously do not like my playstyle, because i
am
aggressive and will notice their slip ups. i am vocal, and, yes, i will try too hard to meet my win condition. but that definitely does not make me anti-town.

Unvote

Vote:bosnox

he doesn't like people trying hard to be pro-town, and wanted to kill beck for the sake of him dying; not exactly the most pro-town behavior. not to mention that he is on the first bandwagon, and now hopped on the second.

Bobsnox's vote is gross and should have been accompanied with more of an explanation.

Your response is also sketchy though, because you should be able to make a case on someone or vote someone without stating how "extremely pro-town" you are; I don't care, of course you are going to say you are pro-town regardless of alignment. The next bolded line is also unnecessary if you are town because

catching scum slipping up is the entire purpose of mafia when you are town-aligned.

Why do feel the need to inform us of what you are doing when it should be obvious if you are town?

I had to address Kendall first because this is the strongest point on which I disagree with Ran, because I think that Kendall is at least being anti-town with the way she is providing some kind of scum read/tell/inkling on every player. That's not going to help, it's going to make it easier for scum to push mislynches, to build easy cases and to sit back and let other people push her buttons and avoid the brunt of her accusations.

I agree with Ran's assessment of Bobsnox, and I also think that his #13 is completely illogical as he reveals that he HAS meta on Beck that can help with some basic scumhunting and he not only puts it out in the open but refuses to act on it.

I also notice that Ran didn't mention Ray Matano in his reads but I thought that his #177 was a legit post. He not only provides his reads and suspicions but he also seems analytically, so I find it easy to follow his train of thought in scumhunting.

Umbrage definitely didn't stand out on my read which I expected him to since he is part of the Kendall wagon, so I understand Ran's distrust of him and questioning if his read on Kendall is genuine. I will support our vote where it is for now.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #275 (isolation #47) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:48 am

Pstt. Anti-town doesn't = suspicious.

She just doesn't like your playstyle, and doesn't think the way you played was, effecient.

I stand by my original read on you.

She'll get to you on this.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #277 (isolation #48) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:53 am

Kendall, do you know what a hydra is?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #278 (isolation #49) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:55 am

Also you misunderstood my other head. She wasn't stating your vote wasn't good, she was stating Bob's vote on you wasn't good. Try to understand before jumping to conclusions.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #280 (isolation #50) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:58 am

Thanks for the FWIW. It was fun playing with you Beck. Some other time : D

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #373 (isolation #51) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:55 pm

Kendall

:

Again, you haven’t responded to my question, Kendall. Do you know what a hydra is

? (This is important, please answer)

Your second point, doesn’t bother me, my other head will address this. Again, neither I nor her find you suspicious. We know know the cases against you are doo doo, but she just ain’t a fan of your style of play. So if she finds a fault in your play, she will exploit it. Do not whine, because it’s helpful to you and the town for her to address this. I also notice you to be caustic town, but I read you as town nonetheless, so I just let you do your thing. Just your play might help scum condemn other townies without you noticing. Just try to keep a clear head. Btw, I’m sorry for calling you newb. As Glow has said, I say newb as in new to the site. You are one of the better players that are ‘new’, and I’m sure you are good enough to adjust. Just ignore it, it’s going to happen. If you whine for any reason, you are giving scum reason to sling shots at you (If you say "Well good I can beat their attacks" I will say "DISTRACTION!"). Btw, you can’t for sure know someone knows you are town. Townies can defend town reads, not just scum. If you find it off, take it as a null tell than. (Meaning it can go either way, and you wouldn’t use it to read that player) I am not sure how hard it may be for you to adjust to that, but you’ll notice it’s site meta.

You are making a stretch there. People are saying you are trying to fake being town, so your rebuttals are invalid. Yet, their reasons are bad, and you are being pro-town. Don’t let it all get to your head. It’s more that, there is no evidence of you faking being town. Got it? Good.

Another thing, please don’t address people’s responses to others. I haven’t had the chance to reply to Mike Hard yet, and yet you answered. Now you can’t tell if my content is original or not. Please keep that in mind in the future. (Basically, if someone asks a question, wait for the person addressed to answer first before giving your own input) This annoys me greatly, but I'll give you a warning. If you do it again, I'll yell at you, and any others that do the same.

Glowball

: Please don’t take any sympathy for us. This is the way we play. Generally we have different playstyles, and we disagree in many areas, so this is the best way we can co-habit a hydra and do well. We discuss many things behind the scenes, and she hasn’t liked Kendall’s playstyle. July has not made any contradiction in the hydra, she has only openly stated her opinions that conflict with mine. I respect her opinion fully and I will not stifle her voice. We have different pov’s of the game, so it would be best for you to look at what we both say and if you notice something that alerts you, please don’t feel like comforting us, and address your issues. We are not playing in a way to hold you back, and we each take responsibility for what the other says.

Btw, it was either let the newbs in, or have to wait a long time before this game would have entered sign ups again.

Snakeside

: Spreading pressure as in, pressuring more than one person. I have pressured Bob a bit, but voted Umbrage because there was none on him. Why unsure about Mike? Why do you disagree on Ninty?

Beeefster

: One, you can’t expect us to have a town/scum read on someone who hasn’t posted much content. I am not sure you read everything, because I dealt even more reads in this post: #245. I disagree, I think that interaction made her seem Paranoid town. Instead, vote one of these people: Donjosh, Umbrage, MikeHard, Bob. Ninty is good, but Spyrex replaced him, so it would be best to see his defense before deciding on a continued read. What is your stance on null reads D1 then? What made you reconsider our null reads?

RainbowDash

: I actually didn’t remember Jmurph’s first RVS vote. Good catch. (Because it felt like she JUST came in, even though I did notice her first post (Which was the second post in the game). I also hear your plea about the Umbrage wagon, but I’m currently pushing DJ. I do agree Umbrage is also scummy. DJ now takes priority to me. I also do agree that Beef seemed to had slapped on scum points. I think a good place to start is from Kendall's wagon. Soda seems to still have his RVS vote on Kendall, so we'll see what he does Tommorow. Ray I feel should get his ass off there. Others on it are scum. (Ray's null to me, and town to July I believe)

MikeHard

: So fretting a town read happens to both alignments, so you mean it’s null to you right? It is not invalid, since she does believe buddying is scummy. Buddying is null, yet she does not know that. That, must mean because of site meta, and her being new to the site. Tells on other sites are ENTIRELY different, and I can understand. One tell, is that mafia are the ones who usually push for lynches, people think “Oh you want a lynch, only the bad guys would want that”. I also assume buddying is a scum tell on her site (most likely) because mafia might tend to buddy more often, and town would not want to commit actions that scum would do. This comes from experience on another site.

Ray

: Your vote on Kendall is merely a placeholder? How is that scum hunting than? Can you please put a vote out that isn't Kendall? It shows that you are willing to put your life on the line. I feel as if I have already explained this to you.

You also haven't replied to my last response to you, Ray. I'll dig the quote up:

Ray Montano wrote:

<SNIP>

Get over yourself.

Vote: kendall

I don't see how you're providing anything useful to the town, I don't think you're attempting to generate discussion that can provide information on other players' alignment, and I think you're in this game all about yourself...which is a significantly anti-town attitude.

Ray, please clear your head for a bit. I think you actually disagree with her reasoning, and don't really think she is scum. She HAS been scumhunting, she HAS been prodding discussion, SHE HAS BEEN providing useful content to the town. Plus, her CONTENT helps in reading her MOTIVATION, which is GENUINE. You just seem to be put off by her attitude.

Let me get the gist of your argument towards Kendall. She asks "Why would you do this? I bet you did this because of this and this oh yeah of course" and answers the scenario with a possibility? Or "Why are you doing this? Is it because of _________?" What ever it is, I think what she does is part of her playstyle, and is ANNOYING TO YOU because she's most likely not maximizing how much info she can get. Maybe. But this is what I feel from seeing your points against her. Her playstyle might be anti-town in your POV, but try to think that she's pushing for scum, she's putting her neck out there for the town, and she's not letting the scum breathe.

I don’t think Glowball shows any lack of legitimacy in explaining why something was null. I feel as though you are saying that so you can still disagree with her and push your case on Kendall. Also, do you say you usually suspect Mikekard and Nanook out of respect in other games? Do you do that often?

Diddin

: You haven't even responded to my last reply to you. Please do so.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #376 (isolation #52) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:03 pm

Glow

: Rainbow Dash. I like her replace in post. I like her original content, and her push for others to get on the Umbrage wagon. She's my second strongest Town read.

I also think Umbrage's reasoning for not lynching Beck is bad. I have mentioned that Beck hasn't done as much as I would have expected him to. I think you mentioned a good point about Beck, that he sort of slipped by while his wagon built, while Kendall actually dealt with it. Don't see why Umbrage is picking a person who hasn't done anything before replacing out.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #409 (isolation #53) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:54 pm

Kendall

:

A hydra is an account with two players in it, not one.

I don't care. She will still address you.

I don't care, you will listen.

Yes but if you are vague you can later say you were suspicious of that person, thus leaving a door open for 'opportunism'. And I am aware.

Well some of your play is stupid as fuck.

I'll point one quote out in my next post.

Nope.

No I won't. That's because... *clears throat* BECAUSE YOU ARE A NEWB. YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE HERE. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ADJUST, OR DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH THE TOWN, THEN PLEASE, TURN AROUND, AND GET THE FUCK OFF THIS SITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE, AND IT HAS ALREADY GOTTEN YOU A FULL SPEED WAGON. I AM BEING NICE HERE. STOP BEING DUMB FUCK RETARDED. DO NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS NOT ADDRESSED TO YOU. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY DEFENDING THAT PERSON. GOT IT? GOOD. I DON'T WANT TO SEE PAGES AND PAGES OF ARGUMENTS THAT INVOLVE YOU, AND NOT INVOLVING CATCHING SCUM. YOU ARE A FUCKING DISTRACTION. GOT IT? YOU ARE A DISTRACTION FOR THE TOWN. DEAR GOD PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS. RECONSIDER YOUR PLAY. THINK REALLY HARD. SAY THESE WORDS TO YOURSELF "AM I PLAYING WELL IF I GET WAGONED? DID I REALLY CATCH SCUM? AM I NEW TO THE SITE?"

Then please, go back where you came from. I'm sure it'll do you more favors there.

Let's take it down a notch please =).

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #410 (isolation #54) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:55 pm

I'm not policy lynching her either.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #411 (isolation #55) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:57 pm

Points where Kendall is wrong:

k e n d a l l wrote:
@bobsnox
, the only "
evidence
" that you have "against me" is that my actions are too pro-town. that evidence certainly does not incriminate me; in fact, it does the opposite.

@umbrage

care to comment on any of your scummy behavior i pointed out? or are you going to continue tunneling me?also, it's naive to let someone "buddy up" and share your ideas without commenting on it. you run the risk of seeming allied with them.

quit talking about my offsite play; nothing annoys me more than metagame. we've all been over this
several
times. i am an admittedly aggressive player. it is my playstyle. if you can pinpoint something that makes me scummy then be my guest, but so far all that you have going is that i'm trying too hard to be pro-town.

i also find it interesting that you seem to mirror bobsnox and umbrage. again, town, notice these bandwagons and pay very close attention to them.
town reminder: mafia members are threatened by players with a voice. i guarantee that the mafia want me dead right now.

also, yes, i am distancing myself from nanook and flavour, as well as everyone else in this game; i don't trust anyone. it is day one, the only person i trust is myself.

The very top, is where you are wrong. You are stretching what others are saying, to justify that they literally have nothing on you, even though they don't regardless. Basically, they are saying you are faking being town. You are saying that they believe that 'you are too town', which was not at all what they said. You just are too tunnel visioned, or omgusy that you just reply that you are being attacked by scum. That is anti-town. You know that they don't have anything on you, so you don't have to say they are saying "you are too town" as a joke.

Second one, about buddying. That's a null tell, and YOU ARE WRONG. It's not a scum tell. So stop bitching about it. Town do it too. IF you say "I don't care, it's my way" then you won't find scum as easily through that tell, got it? Good.

I don't think you have the right to tell people to not talk about your offsite play. Self meta is disgusting, but talk of your offsite experience will happen if you do stuff differently or in a way that isn't accepted here. DEAL WITH IT.

Mirroring. You can't find scum this way. Some people have the same thought processes. It's more accurate if you read a person on their play, excluding any connections on D1. You don't have that kind of info this early. Also, if you pair two people on d1, one of them flips mafia (and the other is town), the other person is doomed the next Day. Same example, D1, the first person flips town, but the other is mafia, you just cleared the mafia to being town. If you say "I don't care blah blah blah stupid shit" then I will say "I'm right, you are wrong".

And the very last thing is very stupid. You saying that you are distancing is very bad, because distancing is a scum tactic to attack a scum buddy. Don't say that.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #412 (isolation #56) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:05 pm

Sorry Mod. I will tone it down.

No worries.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #415 (isolation #57) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:40 pm

TL;DR:

Your play sucks. Please get better, or don't play at all. It's your choice.

If you believe your play was good, discuss it after the game is done.

And again, don't answer any questions or replies not addressed to you.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #417 (isolation #58) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:43 pm

Anyways.

I believe Beefster isn't really reading closely enough. He believes he saw Kendall catch a contradiction, when it was really a misunderstanding from Kendall. Slightly scummier from him... Has anyone else besides Jmurph played with Beef?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #419 (isolation #59) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:47 pm

DonJosh wrote:VOTE: kendall

REALLY don't like the "buddying up" thing.
Also, she's distancing herself from EVERYONE. Not very town-like at all.
Also don't like the "Mafia are after me" thing.

^ That right there.

Why is he cool, Hiraki?

Also thoughts on Umbrage?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #425 (isolation #60) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:06 pm

Yes I agree. My other head has to address Kendall first, but she says it will be the last time she will address her.

I will

no

t ignore her if she states things that are legit or scumhunting. But if it's garbage, I'll ignore it.

I also see she requested me to point out her flaws, I did, and she has not responded to it. :/

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #427 (isolation #61) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:08 pm

glowball wrote:
Ray Montano wrote:
glowball wrote:Paranoia is justified.

How does paranoia clear a player as town?

Those two things aren't even equivalent. Being paranoid is justified, it doesn't make her town- but that aside I believe kendall is town and I believe her wagon has at least 2 scumz on it.
Now, we should do an exercise for all of you newbies who INSIST on labeling things scummy that are NULL. How about you tell me exactly how that could work in scumz favor.

STARTING WITH
Kendall is playing the newb card, or she isn't- yes she is....blah blah blah
One way or the other how doesn't being newb help scumz? Outside of Road to Rome it really does no good- it's actually more of a death sentence than anything else. It doesn't make a person town either, so....
IT.
IS.
NULL.

Find the motivation in her actions..and then you can push the wagon.
From what I see, kendall is probtown....Hiraki's gamble was spot on to you guys, although lining up lynches is never good I get what he means. You guys aren't using the logic that you should all have.

From this post to your #354 your read changes from "probtown" to "obvtown" on Kendall. What changed from there to now to make your town read on her stronger?

Also I disagree on Hiraki's gamble. If you believe that Kendall is town then Hiraki's gamble can go either way, town or scum gamble. It's much easier to make this gamble as scum if the player is town because you have nothing to lose, and as town it just means he has a very strong town read, which idc about. I want to find out people's scum reads. IGMEOY Hiraki.

glowball wrote:Question to all Kendall wagoners...
What is more likely of a scum partner in your opinion: bussing, defending, or ignoring?

I'm not on the wagon but I want to answer this anyways. Bussing and ignoring seem to be the most tactics. Bussing because they give scum town credit when one of their buddies flips scum and they were pushing them, and ignoring more out of instinct to avoid a connection. Defending isn't scumhunting and leaves obvious connections.

k e n d a l l wrote:

@flavour analysis

Flavour Analysis wrote:
Kendall
:
Again, you haven’t responded to my question, Kendall. Do you know what a hydra is
? (This is important, please answer)

no. what is a hydra, and what is the point of a hydra?

Your second point, doesn’t bother me, my other head will address this. Again, neither I nor her find you suspicious.

this hydra bullshit is already pissing me off.

We know know the cases against you are doo doo, but she just ain’t a fan of your style of play.

okay, well tell your other personality to fuck off and quit telling me she doesn't like it; i don't care. i'm getting sick of explaining to people that i'm not going to change my personality.

Just your play might help scum condemn other townies without you noticing. Just try to keep a clear head.

noted. it's important for people to understand that just because i state a suspicion doesn't mean i think that person is mafia. i provide them with a chance to explain the potential slip up. if i think someone is mafia, i make it known.

you should all be well aware of that by now.

Btw, I’m sorry for calling you newb. As Glow has said, I say newb as in new to the site. You are one of the better players that are ‘new’, and I’m sure you are good enough to adjust.

i'm not going to adjust to any form of playstyle; i like my play.

You are making a stretch there. People are saying you are trying to fake being town, so your rebuttals are invalid.

how are my rebuttals bad? which ones are bad, and why?

Yet, their reasons are bad, and you are being pro-town. Don’t let it all get to your head. It’s more that,
there is no evidence of you faking being town.
Got it? Good.

have you missed the times that i said this?

Another thing, please don’t address people’s responses to others. I haven’t had the chance to reply to Mike Hard yet, and yet you answered. Now you can’t tell if my content is original or not. Please keep that in mind in the future.

quit telling me how to play this game. you just apologized for calling me a noob, and now you are treating me like one. i have no intention of adjusting to the norm on this website; i don't have to. i like my playstyle, and it is very effective. if i respond to something that is not addressed to me, i don't speak for the person who the question it's addressed to.

(Basically, if someone asks a question, wait for the person addressed to answer first before giving your own input) This annoys me greatly, but I'll give you a warning. If you do it again, I'll yell at you, and any others that do the same.

fuck off
yell at me all you want, but your warnings are not going to work on me; i don't care.

A hydra is two people who play on one account. The point of a hydra depends, sometimes its just because you want to play with someone and know their alignment, sometimes its because you can't take on a game or another game on your own, to work on reads and reasoning by bouncing ideas off another person while the game is happening, etc.

I made ONE post about how I dislike your playstyle, so don't tell me to fuck off. Your play style is distracting and thus anti-town, and so I wanted to point out some things that you do that are not helping. We won't be defending you anymore, mostly because I think that on both sides of the spectrum people are writing you off as town because of your playstyle or scum because of your playstyle when really you are imo null. Sink or swim on your own for all I care. This is a lot less angry than it would have been had my other head not articulated my anger for me before I got to post.

@Kendall: What are your thoughts on Glowball? Why did you accuse us of buddying you but you are completely fine with Glowball’s defense of you?

I don’t like Umbrage’s assumption and loose reasoning for Kendall scum in his #287, glad that SnakeSide pointed out the issue with it in his #289.

Umbrage v. RainbowDash reveals a lot of good points, and RainbowDash makes a lot of good points as to Umbrage’s scumminess and his weak attack on her and attempt to cast suspicion on her by saying she had a “scum slip”.

Mb53’s intro post is not only thorough but gets into questions and scunhunting right away, and really thinking about kendall’s play by disagreeing with the votes on her for being aggressive but agreeing that parts of her play are just dumb.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #433 (isolation #62) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:25 pm

Flavour Analysis wrote:Anyways.

I believe Beefster isn't really reading closely enough. He believes he saw Kendall catch a contradiction, when it was really a misunderstanding from Kendall. Slightly scummier from him... Has anyone else besides Jmurph played with Beef?

You Guess? Beef, tell me your thoughts on this post right now.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #439 (isolation #63) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:10 pm

bobsnox wrote:
Ray Montano wrote:So what are we supposed to do. Let kendall ride through the days and hope a vig gets a kill on her?

I'mma laser her tonight actually, so I guess we can move on

UNVOTE: kendall

In other news, my scumdar is going crazy in Hiraki's direction. I feel like he's usually stronger when he's town. I could go for a Hiraki-lynch.
I h
Flavour: 409+ is right on. I'm about to sheep you for being my best town read.

Hmmm. Well I suggest you vote Donjosh. Available alternatives: Umbrage, Mike Hard. Spy is a possiblity. I am hoping for a better explanation when he has the time to catch up.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #440 (isolation #64) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:12 pm

jmurph3 wrote:Back from V/LA and catching up on the like 8 posts since I was last here. I do have to say this though: kendall is town, and by focusing on her, we're entirely distracting ourselves from catching scum. At this point, scum has to do nothing but sit back and let us drive ourselves into the ground. So let's get off of that, ok?

Additionally, umbrage is a name that I see popping up on my quick skim of what I missed (I'm going back through currently and reading a lot closer than I initially did). Can someone on the wagon sum up what he did that's sticking out as so scummy? All I saw in my very brief reread was a vote against kendall, which doesn't stick out as that much more scummy than some others (beefster's, for instance, seemed hugely scummy to me).

I will hopefully have more reads tomorrow.

I think when you first notice his posting, you'll notice instantly why he is scummy. Oh, lol yeah the vote on Kendall was what I felt to be scummy. Initially.

I'd also like you to address the double random vote thingie Rainbow spotted earlier on. Thx.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #443 (isolation #65) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:39 pm

Hmmm, so I assume it was still not completely serious then?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #444 (isolation #66) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:40 pm

Rather, even though your second vote wasn't purely random, I still assume it was partially jokish?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #447 (isolation #67) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:51 pm

oh lol. That's one of the reasons I thought it was an RVS vote. Haha, forgot about that. (Also because it was your second post of the game)

But yeah. I vote saying RAWR SCUM all the time.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #448 (isolation #68) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:55 pm

Not Voting (5)- Bogre,

kondi2424

, Silver1337, mikehart, Beefster,

These guys right here. WAIT A MINUTE. LOL.

Mod: Kondi was replaced :p

Anyways. The four not voting, why aren't you voting? (besides Bob, who should vote soon)

Note that Silver and Bogre haven't even posted content. Expected from Silver. Bogre I don't know.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #450 (isolation #69) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:07 pm

Ray

- Please vote else where, or unvote. A policy lynch isn't happening on Kendall. I know you don't want to switch without being so sure, but I don't like your vote sitting on Kendy as a place holder.

chkflip

- Yo where you at. Need your stances bro.

FourseenCircumstance

- Where is this guy? I need scumpicks asap. 2-3 please.

PeregrineV

- Where is this guy? I need scumpicks asap. 2-3 please.

Silver

- GET YOUR BUTT IN HERE. DON'T LURK AGAIN. (talking about large) IT MAKES ME SAD.

Brogre

- Scumpicks plz. 2-3.

Donjosh

- Where are you? D: <

Need more posts from you. Not saying you aren't posting frequently, you only have a few posts. Need more from you kthx.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #452 (isolation #70) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:34 pm

Ok, I await your change. : D

@EVERYONE

. I want thoughts on : Snakeside, Glowball, Hiraki, and MikeHard.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #454 (isolation #71) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:44 pm

Yeah I know. This is why I'm trying to put the attention towards the Non-voters, inactives (or just low-no content posters), and the players laying low.

Large games are fun though. Thank you.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #456 (isolation #72) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:55 pm

No thoughts on the other three?

Also you said you would sheep me, so why don't you vote DJ then?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #458 (isolation #73) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:59 pm

Thank you. So I guess you can't get a read on the others, eh?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #460 (isolation #74) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:27 pm

So? Yes, please do.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #465 (isolation #75) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:23 am

Ranmaru wrote:Never suggested anything about a serial killer. Once again you have misread. Thanks for replacing out.

Oops. Post mine.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #466 (isolation #76) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:25 am

Btw your play is distracting. Get over it. Deal with it.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #579 (isolation #77) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:31 pm

Beefster wrote:
Flavour Analysis wrote:
Flavour Analysis wrote:Anyways.

I believe Beefster isn't really reading closely enough. He believes he saw Kendall catch a contradiction, when it was really a misunderstanding from Kendall. Slightly scummier from him... Has anyone else besides Jmurph played with Beef?

You Guess? Beef, tell me your thoughts on this post right now.
I'm still behind by a few pages. So it makes sense that I didn't catch everything. I rarely read very closely anyway. My suspicions are usually based on recurring patterns and posts that stick out.

Ok. Then please don’t post until you are fully caught up, it causes us to slow down while you vote for reasons that are invalid and un-explained to you since you don’t have the time to finish analyzing the flavour. It also gives you an out “Oh well I voted you for a bad reason, but it was because I wasn’t fully caught up”. This causes unnecessary confusion and chaos. Now that the Kendall wars are dwindling, you may have an easier time. Right, but you didn’t even consider my defense before voting. Seems more like you just pick sides instead of actually decide if something is scummy or not.

k e n d a l l wrote:
glowball wrote:
I do hope however, if there is a vig out there with no other leads- shoot her because her whole attitude is getting old really fast.

my mistake, flavour. i mixed you up with glowball.

replace flavour with glowball in my final post.

bye bye

It is ok. That did seem like Glow trying to distance off of Kendall a bit. Also not a good reason to ask for a vig, attitude shouldn’t be a reason for a vig. Although vigging her for being a loud distraction to town is valid.

Rainbowdash wrote:
SpyreX wrote:Lets go back to DJ then I like that.

Unvote, Vote: DonJosh

Seriously vig you better not be cheeky silver just asked for death AND Umbrage wants it too

Unvote
Vote: DonJosh

Logically this first may be somewhat better either way, but my gut still wants Umbrage.

Hey Rainbow, why did you change to DJ after Spy asked you to? Why not before when I or anyone else was pushing for him? Also, what is your read on Mb53 and Snakeside? Glowball?

Beefster wrote:
mb53 wrote:Would anyone be willing to start a wagon with me on Peregrine?

Vote: peregrine
No. Peregrine is town. Period. Didn't you see that beautiful post of his?

Why is Pere town?

Beefster wrote:
mb53 wrote:Any posts in particular that make you feel "iffy?"

In general:
-Posts where they ask questions to several people at once.
-They aren't really putting their money where their mouths are.
-I feel like FA has been asking all the questions, but has done little to formulate their own opinion. There's been a lot of surveying from them, but very little actual scumhunting; most of their questions have been indirect.

Specific posts:
Post 152- A post of some reads. Analyzes a mostly RVS wagon and then proceeds to vote Umbrage with little cohesion. Presses to get players posting- not necessarily pro-town.
Post 161- Says that bob is scummier, but continues a vote on Umbrage. What?
Post 245- I don't like their point on DonJosh. They make little mention to Umbrage after that point.
----

For meta purposes: who are FA's heads?
I forgot to ask that earlier.

-I do that to spread my leads out, and to develop my reads. This is D1 so I won't have specific reasons to ask a smaller pool of people questions.
-We have, it's just that both our voting targets hadn't either a). Responded to our pressure or b.) Posted content after committing the action which was suspicious (IE: Donjosh)
-After the Kendall wars, I tried to re-direct the town towards good discussion, instead of more Kendall garbage. I have done enough to formulate my opinion.

Post 152

- Analyzing the RVS wagon, how is this scummy? Voting Umbrage instead of Bob at the time, why is this scummy? Pressing for activity, how is that scummy?

Post 161

- If you saw it refuted, why exactly don't you understand the logic? Why haven't you asked me about it?

Post 245

- Why didn't you like the point on DJ, and how is that scummy? At the time I voted Umby, I voted him for his second post into the game (which he just posted). I was expecting a reply to my vote, but never got one (I didn't know he was VI, thought he would have done better seeing the 2010 join date), and I moved on to looking at opportunistic scum. [Donjosh, Ninty, Mikehard] How is this scummy?

Hydra is Ranmaru/July.

Questions for you

:

What is your read on Mb53?
What is your read on Glowball?
What is your read on Rainbow Dash?
What is your read on Mike Hard?
What is your read on Snakeside?

@

Umbrage

: Why did you react that way now, instead when I have voted you early on? *Wrt to your AtE* You have never responded to my pressure.

@

Hiraki

: Kendall mentioned the serial killer thing, and I think she saw Glow saying VIG but interpreted it as serial killer. No idea why.

@

Spyrex

: I agree with Glow. Beck hasn’t done as much as you and I know he would do. I think he should be null, unless you have a good reason for him to be town. Also Glow is still null to me.

@

Mb53

: Why do you think Pere is scum? Read on Beefy, and Rainbow?

Everyone: Remember that Donjosh and Umbrage ARE NOT THE ONLY CHOICES ToDAY. Keep this in mind, and do not say "They are the only lynches happening" to bully others into joining the major wagons. If you have suspicions of others, please do push for it. You have the time, we are not near deadline.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #588 (isolation #78) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:56 pm

Rainbowdash wrote:
Flavour Analysis wrote:
Rainbowdash wrote:
SpyreX wrote:Lets go back to DJ then I like that.

Unvote, Vote: DonJosh

Seriously vig you better not be cheeky silver just asked for death AND Umbrage wants it too

Unvote
Vote: DonJosh

Logically this first may be somewhat better either way, but my gut still wants Umbrage.

Hey Rainbow, why did you change to DJ after Spy asked you to? Why not before when I or anyone else was pushing for him? Also, what is your read on Mb53 and Snakeside? Glowball?

After the Spy post, it became far more likely that I was for sure getting my vig on Umbrage, so at that point I became fine with his lynch. Also I realized how much of my case revolved around there being multi-scum, which if is not the case Umbrage isn't quite as scummy although I still wouldn't cry over his lynch/vig. If both are dead by daybreak, I would rather lynch DJ just for that little bit of reevaluation time.

mb is null to slight scum due to me not knowing anything about him but his avatar and "Made stupid vote" in my notes. Other two are town of varying degrees.

But did you ever speak of DJ as a scumspect before? Also, how do you feel about wagoning Beefy? Would you join me? (I'm intending on voting him)

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #589 (isolation #79) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:00 pm

Mb53

: I never said he was town. I asked you why you thought he was scum, there is a difference.

Chkflip has already explained the purpose of his questions, actually. So your point is invalid. His slot hasn't delivered reads/stances though, which makes me sad.

Spyrex doesn't give me bad vibes. Why is he giving you bad vibes?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #591 (isolation #80) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:16 pm

Ranmaru wrote:
mb53 wrote:QQ no support

unvote

My bet is that there are multiple scum on the DJ wagon. It's growing really quickly for no great reasons. Unless his "wall" is scum-tastic, I'm likely going to re-vote umbrage.

Btw, MB. Why didn't you react that way towards Beef when he stated Pere was town, without reason? Why aren't you still voting him? Why didn't you wait a little longer, or push a little harder?

FUCK.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #594 (isolation #81) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:35 pm

@RainbowDash

: Are you entirely new to this site, or a hydra/alt?

@

MB53

:
I disagree. They were helpful in building discussion. Kendall may have been right about the one question asking what the person would be known for, but even so it helped spark discussion (Even though it was semi-helpful). My other head likes that method better than RVS, while I like RVS better than RQS. Even so, it all would be a big fat null.

Questions

:
Oh ok, why exactly are they both leaning town to you?
Expand on this "take control of the town" scum motivation theory.
I still think you should have waited for support/reactions regardless. Who are you voting now again?

*Grumble Grumble* I hate when I post on the wrong account.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #596 (isolation #82) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:39 pm

Hey Silver. What do you think of Beefster and Glowball?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #626 (isolation #83) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:31 am

NO. YOU WRITE WALL. DO NOT BECOME LAZY.

I want stances, Don. I want thoughts. Info. STAT.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #633 (isolation #84) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:42 am

Hey MikeHart. I want a VOTE. I want thoughts.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #634 (isolation #85) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:43 am

Btw DJ:

Why is Beef and Murph scummy to you? (Scum, null-scum)

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #636 (isolation #86) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:56 am

Ahaha, I know. I was just mispelling it on purpose as a joke. :p

You haven't been voting for a while and it shouldn't be surprising that I want you to vote and give thoughts.

I look forward to your wall, and please don't use me as an excuse to not vote.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #639 (isolation #87) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:31 am

@

Beefster

:
Why didn’t you respond to the first two points?

My opinions

: Ray stating he’d wait for Jmurph to vote was sketchy, but then I liked the content he gave. So he’s town. Bob not giving thoughts on Snake,Glow, and Mike is disgusting. He promised to deliver, and never did. Spyrex is null, but leaning town. I just disagree with his Beck and Glow town reads. Hiraki is also null. Rainbow was tunneling a bit on Umbrage, and didn't really give attention to much else. This is why I asked her if she was new or just an alt, and I still want an answer to that question. You tend to misread, and I will point out how this is bad in the next few points. I don’t like that MB53 asked Spy to switch Beck with you, because I do not see any townieness from you. Diddin is null-town, but isn’t really trying that hard to find scum. Peregine is his null, lurker self. I feel MB53 didn’t wait patiently enough for Peregine support, and that can look bad for him. Need a little more from Nanook. I feel MB53 didn’t really seem to ‘remember’ his question to you about me. He never followed up, and I didn’t like that. I liked Ray’s post. I feel Ray is right in Glow’s thoughts being ‘misplaced’, and I wonder why she hasn’t replied to him yet (seeing she has posted long after). I want to see her answer to that. ;-; Hiraki voting ray = DISGUSTING.

Post 152

- Here is why you failing to read everything is bad. I was analyzing an RVS wagon, and gave some reads. Most of the RVS wagon were nulls because they had little to no content. I explained this to you but you never replied. I then gave more reads and thoughts when voting DonJosh. I also asked you your thoughts on null reads in early d1, and you never responded. I have already explained why I voted Umbrage. If you don’t understand why, then you are ignoring my explanations and not really trying to understand why.

Post 161

– I have explained three times in thread. I’m sure you have seen my explanations, so I want to know why exactly you don’t understand after I have explained more than twice, so I can know what your thought process is. Again, what exactly didn't you understand about my explanations? If you don't explain, this will seem like a fake concern from you.

Post 245

– Why don’t you understand? His reasoning for voting Kendall was bad and scummy. No, my best case was on DonJosh. How is that buddying? I can’t vote everyone. I only have one vote. No, I will not stop asking. I didn’t only say “Why is this scummy” I also gave thoughts and explained my thoughts. I want to know your thought process on why you think I’m scum, and your points didn’t seem legitimate. Don’t tell me not to so your case can 'seem' better.

Can you explain why you believe Mb5, Rainbow, and Snakeside to be scum? Reasons I asked you these reads was because you hadn't really given much thoughts on others, and you seemed to focus on Me/Kendall while catching up.

I try to focus my questions on the most important thing: Thoughts on other players. Generally if I ask someone about their read on another, it'd also tap into their thoughts on that person's actions. I CAN build cases, and my other head is all about cases. I just tend to post shorter posts more often then big ones, which I like to do. Questioning is how I scumhunt, and develop my reads. Cases will be made once I have a sure scum read.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #679 (isolation #88) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:20 pm

@Beefster

:

You forgot? How about my other points in my #639? I’m going to assume you actually conceded to my points and just didn’t address them.

I like to use bullet points, but not for that, sorry. (I don't like to over-use bullet points) I am transparent, but I feel that is too big of a paragraph to put it all in bullet points. Plus I like it that way, it looks neat. I find Bullet points to be better to summarize main points, but that was me giving you my opinions in a paragraph manner. I will post reads further in a bit, in a much neater fashion.

Yes. 165, 268, and 373.

I don’t really like you vaguely asking about something I have explained many times, due to you not reading closely enough. Now tell me, from seeing those posts, what exactly didn’t you understand about my logic?

No, gut is not good enough. I’m sure you noticed something that gave you those vibes, can you at least point to a post or particular statement that made your gut go “OH NO DATZ BADDD”? Also, you had Snakeside as null, but then switched her to scum pretty quickly, what exactly made you change that?

No, I will not stop. I said I do make cases, but this is the way I scumhunt. I will not stay quiet.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #680 (isolation #89) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:21 pm

@

Glowball

: What do you think of Rainbow's recent play and actions?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #682 (isolation #90) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:24 pm

Oh, I thought you meant 'came in strong' as in when she replaced in, sorry. That's why I asked further. What exactly did you agree with?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #684 (isolation #91) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:30 pm

Because you stated you agreed with most of what she said so far, so I wanted to know what exactly you were referring to.

Btw, what is your read on Beefster?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #686 (isolation #92) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:36 pm

I agree, I don't see why he would say that.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #687 (isolation #93) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:52 pm

July head here.

Rainbowdash wrote:
Bogre wrote:
diddin wrote:I'd rather not lynch DonJosh yet because of the fact that he possibly flaked, and I wouldn't want to lynch, say, a Town Cop because they couldn't claim before their lynch. Umbrage is a safer choice.

....how about a bobsnox?

You do realize your case on bob requires a scum flip from DJ, while its a semi-safe assumption, its an out of order lynch. Not at all a bad lynch (behind Umbrage, DJ,
Silver, Beefy and jmurph
), bigger fish to fry and connections need to first be made.

@diddin - We are not saying lynch him this page, although that would be *so awesome*, you don't go looking entirely elsewhere due to a possible flake.

Rainbow, I don't think I've seen your reasons for Silver, Beefy, and jmurph. Can you explain why these are good lynches and why all these are better than a bob lynch?

glowball wrote:so Umbrage or DonJosh are the two leading wagons. My opinion? Both are great choices, so I want someone to tell me why one should be lynched over the other... Meaning: If you want Umbrage lynched, why is he scummier than DonJosh- and if you want DonJosh lynched why is he scummier than Umbrage. I could honestly go either way, although I think Umbrage might be a little more dangerous as scum.

glowball wrote:
But we've squashed this, and you need to put your vote on DonJosh or Umbrage those are the lynch choices for today

This is bad, deadline isn't until August 18th. We still have plenty of time to scumhunt and limiting the lynch options so early is not going to help that.

@

Hiraki

: Why did you keep your vote on MikeHart from your catch-up post until #608? The entire time you were pushing Ray and really never addressed MikeHart beyond your initial suspicions of "He unvoted and then only FoS'd one person. If he voted, that'd be cool. But he didn't." So why keep your vote there for so long?

Don't like #298, I understand it's supposed to express confidence in a town read but that's just as easy for scum to do as town.

Don't like #330 and and #611, writing off Umbrage as a vi and bobs as "usual bobsnox so it's okay". Same with #418 where your response to the DJ wagon is:

Hiraki wrote:What're the points on DonJosh?

He seems like a cool dude.

FoS: Hiraki

I want to see more from you, especially more substantiation behind your scum reads. I see MikeHart and Ray, anyone else?

Hiraki

- Scum. Didn't like the kendall gambit. Not explaining his vote on mike beyond 'He's obvscum' even when asked. Also doesn't have the best reasoning.

Ran reads:

Mb53

– Nullscum. His “Switch beck with Beef” towards Spy I didn’t like. I don’t see his reasons for Beef being town, and I didn’t like him choosing Beck, who should really be null. That point is connection based, and if Beef flips scum, than Mb53 is scum. Also, I didn’t like his fish for support on Peregine. He didn’t even wait long enough to see if everyone would have chipped in, and had only really dropped the push because Beefster stated he was town FOR NO GOOD REASON. I also didn’t like him asking about Spyrex giving bad vibes, because of ‘trying to take control of the town' theory, which he hasn't yet explained. *Still waiting* In fact, Spy, I want your thoughts on that after he explains himself.

Glowball

- Nullscum. I didn’t like her question to Ray about unvoting. Some people unvote when people replace out, so the replacee can redeem themselves. So I fail to see why she didn’t see that. She was also quick to call out Umbrage on deflecting, when he also brought up a good point that I want her to elaborate on. What about Hiraki’s defense on Bob? Also, Umbrage should answer her original question as well.

Beefy

– Scum. Doesn’t try to consider a person’s actions, instead picks sides, and doesn’t really give much thoughts on others (thus why I had to ask him for reads). He also states he votes knowing that he still has more content to read, and I don’t like that because he votes before someone (Ie: Me) even explains themselves, which shows he isn’t interested in what others say in defense, just in “Oh that’s a nice point, I like it” and sheeps.

Unvote Vote: Beefy

MikeHart is still scummy, both heads agree on this. We fully await his catch up and vote.
Both heads agree on Ray being town, and on Glow being nullscum.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #691 (isolation #94) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:43 pm

Glow

: July had you as town that game. I had you as scum there. Here, I had you as null, because I have seen your recent play in other games. You wouldn't do the same as you did in your newbie. I have seen you attack plans even if it meant death to your slot, but the game is still ongoing so I don't really know what TownGlow would do. Your recent actions as I have explained, are why I feel you are null-scum. What do you think of the reasons I have presented?

Hiraki

: Why is Ray scum? Thoughts on Beefy?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #693 (isolation #95) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:02 pm

No. I'm much more confident in Beefy. If you are that confident in Umby and DonJosh, push for it. Convince us. Also, why did you state to 'throw in Beck' as well? Are you confident in that read?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #697 (isolation #96) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:35 pm

@

Rainbow

: I'm sure scum could do that, if they see others do the same (Ie:Diddin) What did you think of his FoS on you? Was it valid? What did you think of him being sure there are multiple factions? I just don't like that he picked sides when it came to me/kendall. He did that both times, and you know that his points system was bad. Would you lynch Mb53 ToDay?

@

Hiraki

:

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #706 (isolation #97) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:59 pm

Beefy

:

So I am I, yet I also am all about details. Details. : D Anyways, you should try to write in place of what you are replying to, I do that. Then delete the line you replied to and continue replying. It's best you find a way to deal with this so the town can clearly understand you. Now then, I want you to reply to all the points you missed then.

I'm not trying to be cryptic. I don't want my lines to be too short either.

Ok, as you have requested, I want to see some meta from you, Beefy. Town and scum. Most recent would be preferred. Then if you saw a certain 'pattern', i'm sure you could quote that and say you didn't like it. You aren't being transparent, yet you are asking me to be transparent when I already am.

Yes, just check any of my games. Check the hydra wiki, or check my main account, Ranmaru. I ask questions. You'll see it.

I have given more than null reads. Check the post where I voted you and gave new reads. I don't go by popular opinion.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #708 (isolation #98) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:12 pm

Thank you.

I'm not trying to be popular, I do that to *ta da* develop my reads.
Why was my response 'undesired'? I think I explained it well.

Btw, no. I don't respond in context, I don't like my posts getting too big and cluttered due to quotes. Sometimes I do quote, but I find it disgusting. I want it neat instead. : D It's much easier for me to respond that way as well.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #713 (isolation #99) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:05 am

Thank you. I checked them. I noticed you voted a cop due to not fully reading up, and you were town. See, it's always better to fully catch up to prevent confusion like that from happening.

I always ask people about reads. Expand on my questions being 'direct'. Which games did you look at?

My defenses have not been lazy.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #715 (isolation #100) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:08 am

What the... I thought we were going to vote for that...

Haha. I didn't remember ToyStory 3 much. I hope there will be some Toystory and Toystory 2 questions in the future. : D

So, what next?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #720 (isolation #101) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:30 am

Peregine

: Is this a day power? What is it? What are you going to do with it? Please explain yourself. Why haven't you said anything?

Spyrex

: I am a bit annoyed that Pere rushed ahead and got the prize, but I think you should be asking him why he did that without consulting the town before rushing to conclusions.

I think at this time, we should talk more about what to do the next time a mini-game shows up. I mean Diddin came up with a proposal, but not everyone really agreed to it or was really sure about it I guess. I want to make sure everyone knows WHAT we are going to do with the powers.

In fact, I'd vote Ray Montano for the next minigame. Also keep in mind each person can only go once, so it would be best to try your best decision earlier on for a better turnout.

I'll format my vote like this:

Give Toy: Ray Montano

Someone should keep a tally, or a few people should rotate. And I mean every person should rotate, because we don't want to give people the chance to fake contribute.

Consequences: Getting lynched, losing credibility in the town. Those are the only ones I can think of.

Thoughts?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #721 (isolation #102) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:34 am

MikeHart

: What exactly do you find null/scummy from me?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #726 (isolation #103) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:56 am

Spy

: Well yeah I know that. I have seen that, and Diddin's proposal. But it feels we haven't really talked about it much for people to KNOW that we are going by the book. Or it feels that way since people went ahead and answered the questions anyway (Pere, Bob). I mean I didn't even get a chance to answer them because I was busy replying.

Peregine

: Night power? I thought it would have been a day power since it seems a bit too open to be a night power.

Why did you go ahead and answer the questions without consulting the town? (Same question goes to Bob)

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #728 (isolation #104) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:18 am

I don't really want to know what it is. The only problem is we don't know if you are town, so we don't really know what you plan to do with it.

Another thing, if you are town, your actions would give the mafia an excuse to do the same the next time, which we don't want. (rushing to answer the questions) I want

everyone

to agree or disagree with the plan before ToDay ends. Mikehart has already disagreed. Me, Spy, and Diddin agree for starters.

Another thing, if you keep your ability concealed, and are night killed, we wouldn't know what you did or why. So we'd assume it would line up with your Day suspicions somehow (if you were night killed)

If you spilled the beans, your power would most likely be null and void since the scum could try and deal with it. So basically we'd expect results from you the next DAy, immediately, and why you did what you did.

Everyone

: I want thoughts on this.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #730 (isolation #105) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:48 am

I agree, and I don't think his reasoning was good. Just that TS3 was his favorite.

I still want everyone to agree or disagree with the plan before ToDay, that way they have no way of saying "Oh I didn't know about it" or "I disagreed with it" as excuses.

Unvote Vote: PeregineV

FoS: Mb53

The FoS would become a vote later on. (Meaning I now prefer Mb53 over Beefy)

One thing should be made clear. PeregineV should at no time reveal his power or what he would do with it, and why, until he is at l-1.

I looked at Beefy's meta. So, he's null-scummy now. But his catchups being less than average, are his meta. Still null-scummy because of his quick change of reads on Snakeside, and because of not really specifying on why he feels Mb53 and Rainbow to be scum. If he feels that way, I want to see him at least pressure them in the future.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #737 (isolation #106) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:23 am

@

Ray

:

This is why I asked for everyone to state if they agree with the plan or not. So Soda, please state if you agree with the plan or not, and why. Umbrage, you too.

I disagree. Essentially, we are voting our town reads to try the quizzes. Everyone should supply a good reason as to why they believe that person to be town, before voting for them, same like you would do for a scum read/vote.

The earlier we discuss it and get it out of the way, the better for town, since that way we won't have to deal with it later and have more disasters occur.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #740 (isolation #107) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:55 am

bobsnox wrote:SO CLOSE. Got them all right but too slow.

Bob I want you to explain why you stated this. Why did you jump to answering the questions as well?

@

Ray

: Well look at it this way. The plan has been messed up already ToDay, so I don't see how it can go worse. Right now we are trying to fix the mistakes, and hopefully it'll be better the next time a trivia game comes up. Can't be afraid of a plan because of it possibly being messed up. An organized town is a good town.

Well if people really want their town read to get the toy, they have to push for it, and argue for it. I see no wrong in this. If someone disagrees strongly with a person being elected to get the toy, then they should also argue why they feel that way.

I think you feel this will distract the town from actual scumhunting, but I feel this can help the town choose the best candidate for receiving an ability that can HELP TOWN. This doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about our suspects at all. Think of it like defending. When someone attacks you, you have to defend and scumhunt at the same time. This means your content has to increase. Same would happen with this. Talking about the plan, and scumhunting. Scumhunting should be the

first priority

, but it's also a good idea to talk about the plan.

Also, on a side note. I don't find it to be against the spirit of the game. This is because I play to win, not just for fun.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #742 (isolation #108) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:01 am

No. That's the only trivia for ToDay. One trivia per dAy.

Peregine won the gift.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #748 (isolation #109) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:10 am

Glowball, do you agree with the plan?

Ray, I agree.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #751 (isolation #110) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:13 am

Why not?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #754 (isolation #111) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:17 am

Glowball, why don't you trust Ray regardless of alignment?

Hiraki, are you down with the plan?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #760 (isolation #112) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:34 am

Glowball

: Can you point out how he hasn't grasped the game well?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #780 (isolation #113) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:20 am

@

Beefy

:

I have directly interacted with my suspects. Bob, MikeHard, Ninty, DonJosh, you, Mb53, Glowball, and Hiraki. MB53 isn't really posting much and I expect more from him. Umbrage is the only exception, because he has ignored my pressure, and I noticed that going into an argument with him wouldn't benefit much. I also liked his push on Glowball. Don't like that he also STILL deflected from her original question.

Yes. Back up your points with examples.

I have refuted your points. You then ignore them, repeat your original points and state my first rebuttal is 'undesirable' without explaining why. This is very vague.
I have not deflected, in fact you are deflecting yourself from your own case on me to a case of 'defensiveness'. You haven't even responded to the points you missed. Please do.
That is not an irrelevant comeback, it is important to ask where you looked at, and it is related to this case, how is it irrelevant?
No difference, my play is the same and you even admit that.
I have been transparent. You can read a paragraph, don't be silly. I like that format because it's neat.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #781 (isolation #114) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:23 am

Snakeside

:

Oh, my attitude towards Kendall. I was really annoyed with her, and I had to be blunt with her because she was hard headed. I'm sorry if that disturbed you, but I felt I had to say it.

Thank you for clarifying as to why you were unsure about Mike and weren't for wagoning Ninty.

What do you think of Mike's recent play?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #782 (isolation #115) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:24 am

Beefster wrote:
Flavour Analysis wrote:
Everyone
: I want thoughts on this.
It's just WIFOM. Leave it alone. There are intentions for both alignments, and it really isn't worth it to speculate. Let PeregrineV have his power, town or mafia. There's nothing we can do about it without wasting a lynch on some stupid WIFOM.

I disagree, and I will not leave it alone. So I assume you disagree with the plan?

What did you think of PeregineV jumping to answer the questions first?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #784 (isolation #116) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:39 am

Responses are in the quote, in pink:

Hiraki wrote:
Flavour wrote:I want to see more from you, especially more substantiation behind your scum reads. I see MikeHart and Ray, anyone else?
I made an entire list.

What the fuck.

It's not like I randomly made that list either.

You made an entire list in the beginning of the game, in your #246 catch-up post. A lot of shit has changed since then. Also this was your list of reads:

Hiraki wrote:
Don't want to read Flavor's wall, so I'ma end this with a list.

Beck

Beefster

bobsnox

Bogre

chkflip

diddin

DonJosh

Flavour Analysis

FourseenCircumstance

glowball

hiraki

jmurph3

k e n d a l l

kondi2424

mb53

mikehart

NanookTheWolf

nintendoaddict1

PeregrineV

Ray Montano

Silver1337

SnakeSide

SodaSpirit17

Umbrage

Whee.

Actually you never did explain how this chart works, but since mikehart and ray are bolded I'll assume those are scum reads. But that also means bobsnox is one of your scum reads here which is no longer accurate, correct? After #400 posts you want me to believe none of these opinions have changed, that your scum reads haven't changed? The ONLY two I know are still strong for you are MikeHart and Ray.

Flavour wrote:@Hiraki: Why did you keep your vote on MikeHart from your catch-up post until #608? The entire time you were pushing Ray and really never addressed MikeHart beyond your initial suspicions of "He unvoted and then only FoS'd one person. If he voted, that'd be cool. But he didn't." So why keep your vote there for so long?

Because they're both scum?

No one was supporting a Ray wagon and I made it quite clear that I believe he's scum.

Yes, it was quite clear you believed that Ray was scum. It was also clear that your initial reasoning for MikeHart scum was alright, but at #600 posts in it was pretty damn weak and you did nothing to pressure him to provide more content. You pressured Ray a hell of a lot more and yet kept your vote on MikeHart until 400 posts later. 400 posts passed with your vote meaning absolutely nothing because you never acted on the scum read you had your vote on. And you didn't switch to Ray because...no one was supporting his wagon? You are not going to lynch your scum picks by waiting for wagons to magically form on them (Ray) or by putting your vote on them and then applying no freaking pressure (MikeHart).

Flavour wrote:

Don't like #298, I understand it's supposed to express confidence in a town read but that's just as easy for scum to do as town.

You spell null with one n, one u and two l's. Not with don't like.

Kendall was attracting a lot of attention toDay, and had a lot of supporters as well as critics. Had she stuck around for the rest of the Day she may have been lynched, or there were calls for her to be vigged. As scum, putting yourself up for the next lynch if she flipped town would have been smart because she was likely to be a policy lynch/vig bait, and a town flip would look really good for you. This is why I didn't like it, because Kendall was so obvious, and your call to defend her was so obvious and disgusting. It was unnecessary

Flavour wrote:Didn't like the kendall gambit.

Gambit?

What the fuck? I knew he was town because he's a fucking newbie town to the max. I read newbies like they are for breakfast.

You don't KNOW he's town. So it's still a fucking gambit to keep your strongest town read alive, or if you are scum and kendall is town to look really good upon kendall's flip. And I'm not just going to take your word that you can read newbies soooo well that you are THAT confident. Again, it was NOT needed.

Flavour wrote:Not explaining his vote on mike beyond 'He's obvscum'
even when asked.

Bullshit to the motherfucking max.

Let me explain. This is when you voted MikeHart:

Hiraki wrote:
#171 is mucho scummy. In fact,

Unvote, Vote: mikehart

Why? He unvoted and then only FoS'd one person. If he voted, that'd be cool. But he didn't.

That was the only explanation for your vote on MikeHart for 400 posts and it is a weak reason. Bogre saw this and asked about it and this was your response:

Hiraki wrote:

Bogre wrote:Hiraki- why are you voting mikehart?
Because he's obv. scum.

So I'm supposed to believe that MikeHart is obvscum because, going back to your catch-up post, "he unvoted and then only FoS'd one person"? Bullshit, give me an actual reason why MikeHart is obvscum, one based on his entire play and not just his posts before your #246.

I'm generally pissed off at this post because it's all fake, rather than all real. It's actually atrocious and obv. kondi writing.

Actually we are a July/Ran hydra. This is July

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #785 (isolation #117) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:48 am

Flavour Analysis wrote:@
Rainbow
: I'm sure scum could do that, if they see others do the same (Ie:Diddin) What did you think of his FoS on you? Was it valid? What did you think of him being sure there are multiple factions? I just don't like that he picked sides when it came to me/kendall. He did that both times, and you know that his points system was bad. Would you lynch Mb53 ToDay?

@
Hiraki
:

Rainbow I don't think you got to me on this. Please do.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #794 (isolation #118) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:47 am

Soda

: Once you catch up, please give me thoughts on Rainbow, MB53, Beefy, Glowball, and Hiraki.

Silver

: What makes you think he was just an anxious townie? Btw, when are you going to vote? Who would you vote if you had to?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #795 (isolation #119) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:04 am

Oh, Kendall's viewing...

That reminds me. InHim, where you at? : P

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #796 (isolation #120) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:05 am

inHimshallibe wrote:
unvote

Almost done, compiling a list. Gotta do stuff at work first, but almooooost done.

Hope you are almost done with this.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #914 (isolation #121) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:40 pm

Beefster wrote:What happened to Flavour?

Nothing happened to me. I will be catching up shortly.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #930 (isolation #122) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:09 am

Beefy

:

#815
Those aren’t my current suspects. That was an example of me directing pressure towards my suspects when I had them. Current suspects are MB53, Glowball, Mikehard, and DJ. Spy is town. Rest are slight suspicions. I have. I have said that is my play. You said you admitted I do that. I have said that I believe the best questioning, is asking for reads. Yep. So please, back up your points. Yes, I am serious. That has nothing to do with activity. You know full and well that I would want you to reply when you have the time.

These points:

Post 152 - Here is why you failing to read everything is bad. I was analyzing an RVS wagon, and gave some reads. Most of the RVS wagon were nulls because they had little to no content. I explained this to you but you never replied. I then gave more reads and thoughts when voting DonJosh. I also asked you your thoughts on null reads in early d1, and you never responded. I have already explained why I voted Umbrage. If you don’t understand why, then you are ignoring my explanations and not really trying to understand why.

Post 245 – Why don’t you understand? His reasoning for voting Kendall was bad and scummy. No, my best case was on DonJosh. How is that buddying? I can’t vote everyone. I only have one vote. No, I will not stop asking. I didn’t only say “Why is this scummy” I also gave thoughts and explained my thoughts. I want to know your thought process on why you think I’m scum, and your points didn’t seem legitimate. Don’t tell me not to so your case can 'seem' better.

Yes it does matter. Again, back up your points. That’s all I want to see.

Sorry. I will consider you not being able to explain things well, but this would only mean that I would be willing to listen closely so you can demonstrate your points in a clear manner. Instead you have not been doing this. You have been ignoring my rebuttals totally, and just repeating what you originally said.

Fair enough on PeregineV.

Beefy

:

#870
Case on DJ isn’t lurking. It was his vote and reasoning for which you have disagreed with earlier on. And YES, I would lynch MB53 TODAY. Please do. Not for lurking though, although his current lack of content is worrying. I hope he has the time to post. Jmurph I’m not sold on for ToDay.

Snakeside

:

#820
That post also had scum reads. Things such as I didn’t like, disgusting, etc, refer to scumreads or a person's scumminess. Most of that post wasn’t just reads, but it was opinions on events that have occurred in thread. I have given more reads than that.

#827
My other head didn’t just attack him FOR THAT. Nice straw manning there. There were other points to her attack, such as him not mentioning Mike the whole time he was voting him, and instead was pushing for Ray. She also pointed out that he made a list of scumpects, and hasn't even MENTIONED You or Soda. (Or Bob and Chk for that matter) She also pointed out that he said "DJ is cool" and has been asked why, and hasn't given a reason.

That was not a town tell at all, please. I have already pressured ray on voting when he wasn’t voting. She brought up him unvoting saying “But you believe she is scum, so why unvote her?” Dispite him voting Umbrage. So, he wasn’t voteless when she asked this question. I felt it was scummy from her because she was trying to push for him for ‘not believing in his read on kendall’ when he has said it was a placeholder vote, and has said that he would wait to see how the replacement would act. Glow didn’t see that, because she wasn’t worried about how Kendall’s replacement would have acted. Town would have thought of that, she didn’t.

I have explained that already. >_> Umbrage stated that Glow has forgot to mention that Hiraki also defended someone, and she also did deflect from that. Her reaction was scummy to me. I felt that she would have used that against him as scum without really thinking about what he actually said. I will explain:

glowball wrote:
Umbrage wrote:
glowball wrote:@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

Hm. You're not asking why Hiraki is defending bob? Our posts are quite close to each other. Interesting.

Classic deflection, and exactly what I thought you'd do as scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

Here, she could have said “Well you are right, Hiraki defended Bob here but it seemed ______ and ____ [explanation to how it wasn’t a bad way of defending Bob] but you didn’t ______”
Instead, she just said AHA I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THAT AS SCUM to vote him. That isn’t good reasoning. Instead, she could have also said “Why did you dodge my question? Also, [explanation about Hiraki defending bob]” could have been ok too. But she didn't, and only reacted that way to deflect the point Umby brought up on her. From my POV, it was a good point without reading his post and Hiraki's at that moment. Glow seeing that she forgot to mention Hiraki, would want to attack Umbrage for deflecting so that negative attention wouldn't be drawn to her. She has never mentioned Umbrage's actions of ignoring pressure or ignoring questions until that point in time. She hasn't mentioned Umbrage as a scumpick UNTIL I ASKED HER ABOUT HIM. Same with her Beck and CHkflip stances. I don't know when her DJ stance came in essentially.

I did state that I didn’t like that Umbrage initially avoided the question, and he has been ignoring pressure all game. But why would I ignore glow’s actions because of him?

What do you mean pot kettle? Please expand on that.

My reasons for my reads are not full a crap, get out of here. If you feel that way, please discuss my reads then. I do not think that is a good reason for you to vote me. Also, I have done much with my questioning. I have gotten scumreads.

Unvote Vote: Mb53

I want MB53 lynched because he has tried to start a push for PeregineV and Spy, but hasn't ACTED on it, nor has he even kept the push up long enough for everyone to give thoughts. This seems like fake concern, and like fishing for thoughts on a person to find out if he can mispaint that person as scum. He also has asked Beefster his reasoning for finding me scummy, yet he has not followed up on his request. Again, fake concern. He specified he was wary of Spy for 'taking control of town' but hasn't really explained why he felt that was scummy from his POV. I sure hope he does explain in his catch up. It's been two days since he last posted, saying he would catch up. I said I would catch up yesterday, and I'm almost done. I hope he is.

Rainbow

: I’m harping on MB53 because I think he is scum. It’s null scummy because he hasn’t even posted afterwards. :s In fact I want him lynched NAO. I see your push for DJ, and I approve of it. I will push for Mb now tho.

Hiraki

: Please reply to #784

FourScene

: People have asked you questions in thread, and you haven't really given much content. Please keep up.

Chkflip

: I hope to see a catch up from you man.

Jmurph

: Give me reads on MB53, Glowball, and Rainbow plz.

Soda

: Hey, you said you needed to look deeper into MB53 and Beefy. Have you done that? What is your read on them now? Thoughts on recent events?

InHim

: My posts are not dumb. So explain the wagons tell thingy.

Anyways, I always have a use for my questions. Usually a thought comes up to my head, and I ask away. Examples: I asked Beefy his reads on 5 people because he has focused on only a few people, and I found that scummy. I asked everyone about Snake, Glowball, Hiraki, and Mikehard because of either Laying low and/or being suspicious. Then, I asked a ton of people questions after the Kendall affairs because it would distract from the chaos to better discussion. (Also because I was tired of the kendall discussion, it was distracting me too)

Everyone

: Keep in mind that if Glowball seems to get REALLY frustrated, it may be staged. She

WILL

AtE to the benefit of her wincon. Do not be afraid of pushing her while she is AtE’ing.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:06 am

@

Glowball

: Yes, really. Sometimes you seem to exaggerate and I don't like it. For example, when you type "rageragerage" and when you type in capitals with many breaks per line... You know you don't have to be aggressive to convince others. Thus I have pointed out your behavior to seem staged. IF it isn't, then please take a chill pill, and try not to yell if not needed.

@

Fourseen

: Can you expand a bit more with your scumpicks? You have only given one word of reasoning for Donjosh, and

none

for the others.

@

PeregineV

: Read on Fourseen?

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:21 am

Ok thanks, I'm glad to hear that. And I like your Mb53 vote.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:30 am

What makes you think that?

And what is this "Then Flavour, then Umbrage" stuff.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:42 am

Again, what makes you think Ray and Donjosh are scum? What is your reasoning for me and Umbrage?

Also, what is your thoughts on MB53 and Glowball?

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:58 am

Fourscene, what is wrong with pushing the town? Do you think the direction I'm pushing in is wrong?

What is your thoughts on MB53 and Glowball?

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #991 (isolation #128) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:17 pm

Beefy

:

I will agree to disagree.
Yes no problem. It is.
I noticed a bit of playstyle push from you, so i agree. I have been a bit pushy too, so no problems.
It's ok. I know I am all about the details. : P
I'm glad it does. I do hope you can mention a new scumpick or two. (When you have the time)
It isn't, I don't really rely on just that.
No need to beat yourself up guy.
Yes deff.

I'm not voting you for that. You have to re-evaluate your reads at times.

I don't think the DJ wagon is that bad. Some people getting on it are just using it as an excuse tho.

No, I do not condone a wagon for Rainbow at all. You spoke interest of Jmurph and MB53 correct? Why not join my MB53 wagon? It has cake.

Rainbow

:

You are stretching your argument wrt to Beefy a bit. I do not think it was a slip per say. I do think he should explain who he thinks is sheeping and if it's scummy or not. Also I will never condone a lynch on Ray. Please don't let yourself get distracted by people's behavior, and stick to your scumhunting. That's the direction I want to see you go in.

Diddin

:

We are not lynching Hiraki because of his arrogance. Join me on the MB53 wagon. He's scum. That's a better reason.

Ray

:

I would say to tone down a bit. That's all I can say, because I know I have yelled at Kendall...

Hiraki

:

Stop being a baby and come back here and play. You KNOW replacing out is NOT a good example for the newbiez here. Don't let them down plz.

Basically, I'm saying if you can dish it, you can take it. Don't let your EGO get in the way of this game. Don't let your pride get in the way of this game.

Everyone: We are not lynching hiraki or ray for arrogance. Also please don't replace out if you don't need to. The replacements are really hurting us. Notice how Opposed Force hasn't even said a damn thing since replacing Beck.

Get your heads straight. Lynch scum. Don't get distracted from this path. Vote MB53. Rinse and Repeat.

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #998 (isolation #129) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:14 am

Snakeside

:

No no I didn't mean opinions = scummy lol. I mean when I refer to someone's actions as disgusting, I mean I think it is scummy. Or If I say I didn't like it, means I didn't like his actions because it was scummy, such as MB53's actions.

I forgot about Borge. Well it stood out to my other head. On Ray? Yeah I wouldn't condone that. I disagreed with most of his reads. As you could see, most of my scum reads were his nulls at that time. His last post to us was reasonable and satisfactory.

Mhm. Does it change your mind on Glowball?

I like your MB53 vote.

Sorry that wasn't what I meant. I clarified above. It's ok, I knew he voted because I asked him to vote, and he said he would after Jmurph posted her reads, and he did. Mhm I do think there is room to push for others, like MB53 (Now theJakalope).

MikeHart

:

Earlier on you mentioned that Kendall was trying to be pro-town by attacking those who buddied her. I mentioned that I thought her thinking buddying = scummy was valid from a newb pov. From the way you posted, you seemed to have been experienced so I thought you might have known that. I don't look at people's join dates, and at times I forget that. (Example: I haven't ever looked at Rainbow's join date, but only noticed it once my other head mentioned her being new) I never noticed you joined 2003 until you mentioned it. Out of everyone who attacked Kendall for that, your argument seemed the most experienced, and it gave others reason to attack Kendall with good standing (Like Bob). So it was scummy to me for you to attack her with that reasoning, and then you stated that she wouldn't have reacted that way if she was town, which I doubt. You failing to consider her actions as possibly townie was scummy. Then you meshed into the background and got scummier for not really sticking your neck out much.

Anyways, if you need help on getting into the game, I suggest you look hard at MB53, Rainbow, and Glowball, and give thoughts on each one. This is what I want to see. And vote MB53.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:37 am

Which wagon? And plus I have asked people specific questions as well, so I don't see how this would have been a problem.

Also, give me your thoughts on MB53.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:53 am

I disagree. I didn't ask the whole wagon questions. Before analyzing that wagon, I asked plenty of people questions. After that, I only--....

Ohh, do you mean this question?

Everyone on the Beck wagon: Why essentially are you on it? Have you played with Beck before? (Or seen his play)

I don't see what is wrong with that question. I had a good reason to ask it.

Also, then please throw out a MB53 vote.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:35 am

MB is not town. Expand on that Soda.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:22 pm

Soda

: I didn't like MB53 asking that of someone he had a null read on before and hasn't really said anything about. What did you think about that?

Glow

: Glad to see you back.

Rainbow

: Why exactly do you feel Umbrage is scum now?

Spy

: Thoughts on MB53?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:35 pm

Yes. Null is undecided, due to difficulty reading a player, or not having enough to read that player.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:39 pm

Ok. Why exactly do you think that then?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:47 pm

What

reason

do you have that makes you think he is leaning town though? What part of his play? Sure we can have thoughts from the replacement, but I want your thoughts too.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:42 pm

His catch up post seemed town, but that was it. Everything else was scum scum scum.

Why not?

Also, what do you think of Soda Spirit there? (He doesn't seem to remember his reason for MB53 being town)

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:53 pm

I agree. I feel he is a bit fence sitty and can't justify his stances. He also backpedaled a bit when I pressured him about his MB53 town read. Thus, newb scum.

I see. How come I haven't seen mention of this in Set's Speed Mafia? Wasn't her game high in content as well?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:02 pm

@

Snakeside

: This is where you shouldn't take it up as frustrated townie. She HAS AtE'd to the benefit of her faction in her newbie game (She was scum). I don't factor in her AtE as a read. I WILL push for her through all that. I think her AtE should be taken as null. Again, if her AtE seems forced, it most likely is. I haven't seen her flip town while AtE'ing yet, but I still take it as a null tell. I do feel it is unnecessary from her.

Well I was pressuring Soda before I asked Spy, I already had a slight suspicion.

@

Spy

: I guess you have a point. I'm not ready to end the day tho.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:11 pm

I said I take it as a null tell. Meaning I don't find you townie from you AtE. If I found you scummy, it wouldn't be from you AtE, but I wouldn't let my read be muddled by your AtE.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:18 pm

I don't want the Day to end yet. We still have need of Chkflip, PJ, Opposed force, TheJakalope, and others to say their piece.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:28 pm

Fourseen, why did you switch?

Flavour Analysis · Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:39 am

Soda, why are you just repeating what others say? Chkflip already said that.

Vote: SodaSpirit

Eww and rolefishing too?

Soda is fence sitty newb scum. He hasn't even given a reason as to why he had MB53 as town, instead would wait for his replacement. He then backpedals saying "I shouldn't have called him town" since I was pressuring him on it and he couldn't find a reason.

This guy can die.

Flavour Analysis · Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:12 am

SodaSpirit17 wrote:FA- What the hell. Seriously what. the. hell.

The words I said were genuine. If they didn't sound that way fine. But I didn't even read chkflips post. I just read Four's and Glow's. >_>

The words you say are not. You didn't even give reasoning for why you had MB53 as town. Thus you were trying to defend him. Newb scum mistake you made. It's ok. We'll fix it with some rope.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:16 pm

PEREGINE, RESULTS NOW PLZ.

NanookTheWolf wrote:
Mod: When I asked about updating the player list, I was referring to adding PetroleumJelly and TheJakalope. It still reads Mb53 and DonJosh.

Bah I definitely changed it, I guess I never clicked submit. Fixed.

My vote for DonJosh originated as pressure. Don just flaked on questions asked at the time. He made promises to read the game and flaked. I don't like it when someone states, I'll post this great post and then just return to say ... You know what nevermind, I don't even know why I stated that.

I'm not going to jump on Umbrage as he's claimed BoPeep. I don't know if I support another player counter claiming this early in the game either just in case Umbrage is full of fluff
.

Remember though that just because Umbrage has claimed watcher doesn't mean that she couldn't be a mafia goon/watcher. I don't want to meta game,
but I see BoPeep as being a town player
until something else hints otherwise.

Unvote: DonJosh/PetroleumJelly

Snakeside I can't believe you missed this.

Vote: Nanook

I think Nanook was hoping NOT to get a CC since Umbrage was his Godfather. He says the reason for that was because "Umbrage may have been full of fluff" SO? Second underlined statement, he states Bopeep was a town player unless hinted otherwise. Therefore, he supported Umbrage's fake claim openly. (In a fence sitty manner)

I support a Hiraki lynch, a Nanook lynch, a Glowball lynch, a MB53 lynch, and a Mikehart Lynch. Person's of interest are Rainbow and Snakeside. Where's Bob? Chkflip needs to post his SUPER AWESOME CATCH UP because I haven't really seen it. I want to see the committment.

Diddin is still town. I really liked that Glowball vote. I feel that lie of hers could have netted her a ton of town cred, she didn't really have to do that.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:17 pm

*Btw, if you got an inno on someone, plz wait until later in the Day to state it. Just don't name the person.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:28 pm

Glowball

: I was about to say, you didn't really vote early when you first posted. I generally find you to vote late alot. I was going to bug you about it once before. Why haven't you voted earlier? (It makes it seem like you don't really THINK DJ/PJ is scum, and are instead just trying to pass it off as scumhunting, me no likey) Or rather, why don't you vote early often?

Spy

: I think Glow makes one good point. I have addressed this YeSterDay. Now, I fully expect you to come in and post more, I don't want you to come in occasionally and just vote like YeSterday. (Since you said that you get tired or something after so many pages

)

Rainbow

: I haven't ever seen you address Mike Hart YeSterday, why the vote on him ToDay? I do support that wagon tho.

Ray Montano

: Why did you push for Beefster so late YeSterday?

Chkflip

: sup with that catch up bro?

Deathnote

: Why is Glowball town?

Nanook, y u lurkin?

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:40 pm

Nope. I think it's you who should clarify. What exactly are you confused about?

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:44 pm

Blonde Doctor

: I think it's good to read up on the kendall wagon. Everything after it is distracting and there isn't a need to read it. (Kendall wagon is early on around page 7 and below)

Also would be a good idea to read around pages 19 and up. : D

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:44 pm

Lol no I'm not slinky dog.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:50 pm

That's just me emphasizing YeSterDay and ToMmorow. You forget that the Y was also capitalized.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:08 pm

SpyreX wrote:.... god 1162 is the antipost.

DeathNote replaced Hiraki? Faaah I want to kill it though

Now now. Try to keep some restraint. Surely Deathnote will be easy to read later down the road.

But I lol at him at his reason for joining the wagon. Just let it sizzle. Thoughts on that?

Deathnote

: Yeah, I have noticed that from her. That is why I didn't like her play. Generally she'd try to defend obv town ppl or aspects of theory, to SEEM TOWN, without really doing much town things. (Keep in mind that she had Umbrage as a suspect from VERY VERY early on though) I want you to keep an eye on her specifically.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:17 pm

TheJakalope, have you learned anything new? Any new reads, and are you going to vote?

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:30 pm

TheJakaLope

: You like the wagon, k. But why don't you find him scummy enough for a vote? Also keep in mind he hard lurked ToDay and YeSterday.

Rainbow Dash

: You didn't answer me. Why haven't you ever addressed Mike Hart, or even spoke of him YeSterday? Thoughts on Nanook?

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:37 pm

Rainbow

: Oops.. I saw you mention of Mike in your wall. Sorry about the minunderstanding. I was expecting a reply to me.

(Throw in that I didn't know which quote belonged to who either)

I'm still wondering why you didn't address Mike YeSterday though.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:56 pm

Flavour Analysis wrote:
Blonde Doctor
: I think it's good to read up on the kendall wagon. Everything after it is distracting and there isn't a need to read it. (Kendall wagon is early on around page 7 and below)

Also would be a good idea to read around pages 19 and up. : D

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:17 pm

Question to everyone ToDay:

Who get's the trivia question power ToDay?

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:49 pm

Btw: I do think Glow/Peregine should be copped. Sure, I have seen a CC come from a VT before (it was great, caught scum and kept the cop alive). It's just this is all fishy, and I would expect Glow to perform ballzy maneuvers/plans. And Pere, I never did like the way he jumped up to get the prize like that. DO NOT FORGET THAT. That still annoys me. I didn't even get a chance to try.

Btw, Rainbow is also fishy for introducing the "Double vig" theory. Only in relation to Glow and Pere [Pere using it to confirm Four as town with a doc that seems very convenient].

First of all. We DON'T know if scum have fakeclaims or not. Essentially, Umbrage fake claimed Bo Peep. K, No one has REALLY counter claimed that character HONESTLY. So we don't REALLY know if Bo Peep, the character, is in this game or not.

The CC was vague. Essentially, if someone fake claims, you'd full claim. Why? Because it's a 1 for 1, tat for tat, eye for an eye. If you claim to be the character they are fake claiming, then they had to create their own. If no one has that character and that person is scum, then it's a safe claim. The idea is that you are sacrificing yourself to get a scum kill during the DAY. Sure I want PR's to stay alive, but I want to note that the intentions don't seem... innocent. I mean, I don't feel their actions really line up with their 'double team counter claim'. Essentially it's null because scum can do that to hide behind it, or town trying to lay low. BUT, the rest of their play does not line up with that of a town mind set.

I mean, I don't get this. Fourseen has a lynch line of DJ > FA > RAY. K, so then he votes FA. What made him skip DJ entirely? Why hasn't Fourseen pressured FA or even ask him a question? Where does he plan to go with this?

All this does is bar us from further analyzing flavour *looks at name

* with the right information, in the situation of a pr claiming in the future.

I want either NANOOK, or GLOWBALL dead ToDAY.

Peregine

is also a good alternative. I still support other wagons I supported before.

Everyone

: Thoughts on this plz.

Glowball

: How would you feel about being copped ToNight? What is your read on PeregineV?

Peregine

: How would you feel about being copped ToNIght? What is your read on Glowball?

Petroleum Jelly

: You think Glowball is lying about lying? Then what need would there be for Four's soft counter? And I do not think she'd openly lie about another claim then.

Flavour Analysis · Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:55 pm

Basically, it's like this. Umbrage is a VI, who was also a Mafia Godfather. IF he was going down (and he would most likely go down hence VI), the Mafia would deff try to reap the benefits. And I mean 401K benefits.

Here's a thought. I would definitely think mafia would jump at a chance at accusing their own scum mate of slipping that there were more than one scum faction, as to not connect themselves to the obv scummy scum. (Ie: Rainbow)

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:24 am

One thing before I head out:

Glowball, why didn't you respond to Nanook's accusation on you? Can you respond to that?

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:43 pm

Ok guys. Time to be blown away.

I targetted Soda. You want a reason? Check my last posts at the end of the Day.

I am Woody. Town 1 shot Vig. Thanks Fourseen for being a nub and outing me early. You're lucky I got no more bullets.

Beefster is confirmed town for #962

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:48 pm

Flavour = Woody. We are a sheriff, thus we carry a pistol. Therefore, we can kill one person at night.

Nope. Meaning he's lucky that I'm not a PR with more abilities that would be wasted by getting night killed.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:50 pm

Of course I killed him.

I had other picks before too. Choices were Glowball (earlier on before the CC business), Snakeside, MB53, and Soda was the newest.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:50 pm

glowball wrote:
Flavour Analysis wrote:Flavour = Woody. We are a sheriff, thus we carry a pistol. Therefore, we can kill one person at night.

Nope. Meaning he's lucky that I'm not a PR with more abilities that would be wasted by getting night killed.

Your summary of flavor suggests the ability of more than one kill.

Well we can only use that ability for one night. It's only 1 shot. ;-;

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:54 pm

Yes I picked N1. Earlier on I was paranoid of being Night killed. Then I didn't want to get roleblocked. I can wait patiently in Skype Mafia games, but not in a large.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:57 pm

Sure, go ahead. What feels off about my comment, Farside?

Glowball: Why don't you buy it?

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:02 pm

Nope. I'm not a cop.

Glowball: We both agreed on using it early. We both didn't want to draw a nk early because we were a PR. Try to think in our POV's for a sec. We want to catch scum. But we don't want to die early and let our vig go to waste. So I don't see why using it N1 is out of place.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:10 pm

Yes. I did want to shoot you. Why? Because YeSterday you repeated a question that Kendall has already asked us. It seemed like you were trying to bring attention to something that could make me seem scummy, even though I have explained it well enough. I just thought it was fake concern. That was it though.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:16 pm

That was also why I asked people's thoughts on you, Glowball, Hiraki, and Mikehard in this post:#452

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Farside

: This question:

#284

Flavor: what do you mean by Spread out pressure in post 157?

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:22 pm

Ray

: I don't think you really have room to talk because I had no other suggestions (Who do you think is scum again?). Sure Spy said DJ but I have not seen that uttered after PJ replaced in.

Because I thought Soda was scum. I moved on, and am pressuring Nanook. Not ONLY am I suggesting Nanook is scum, but I also am doling out possibilities of Glow/Peregine being scum.

I also didn't like Soda not being able to explain his town read on MB53. Usually when I see someone 'making a connection' I go for the person making the connection first.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:24 pm

farside22 wrote:Glow: What about Mike reads town and why not associate him with Umbrage?

*talks to self about reality of 24 player game and no doctor.
Good talk.
Insanity level goes up a notch*

Damn you Ray I think I just noticed that the majority of the so called shots that FA intended (I think accept Mb53) attacked FA.

*mutters more about lack of sleep and promise of vengeance later*

Our shots were intended for people that were laying low or were being useless, and being scummy. I find Rainbow to be midly interesting, but she has DONE STUFF and GOT SHIT DONE so I would never touch her.

Haha funny mudslinging there. Beefster was hard attacking me but after seeing his #962, he was confirmed town to me.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:33 pm

Farside

: Yes, I answered it. I wanted to see the rest of your play, which I didn't like either. It was a slight suspicion. Again, it was scummy to me because you were bringing attention to something I have already explained. If you were in catch up you would have SEEN my explanation.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:38 pm

@

Ray

: As a Vig, I'd take suggestions, or use my own reads. Either is in the best interest for town. I'm confident in my reads, and Soda was not a shaky read. I don't second guess my reads. I used my own read, and I was wrong.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:44 pm

Btw: I want Fourseen to clarify on his CHARACTER. Sup with that?

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:50 pm

FourseenCircumstance wrote:Can I just put it out there that if there is a trivia question today, then I will be competing for it. Kay?

Also, The Reason why I Skipped DJ is because at this point I would like to hear from his replacement.

No. How about ToMmorow? Also, I'd trust others way before trusting you to handle a power.

My list: Spy, me, Diddin, Ray Montano, and InHim. Those are the only people I'd trust with the trivia. Beefy's slot is REALLY TOWN to us, so keep that in mind too.

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Farside

: I didn't get the connection until Chk explained it.

I have a scum read on Glow. You take her AtE as a town tell and I feel you are wrong on that. I can understand you relating to her stating she is sad that no one is listening to her. I even felt that way with my MB53 wagon. But I don't think you are really judging her WHOLE play and I want to be a bit more open to that. If there is ANYTHING else you feel is a town tell, then I am open to considering it.

I find nothing wrong with one of Glow/Peregine being copped ToNight.

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Nanook

: Of course, you as his bud would support his fake claim by saying it seemed like a town claim. Your post was fence sitty as in fishing for opinions while unvoting.

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Glowball

: Ok. Yes or no to the copping? Also, why do you support a lynch of Jmurph and Beefster? I don't remember your reasons for those.

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Petroleum Jelly

:

At that point in time, he didn't exactly COUNTER, he just soft countered. Meaning we didn't really KNOW if he CC'd. It could have been a gambit. (Which obv isn't now)
I don't think so. I don't think she can openly REALLY be Bo Peep while claiming to be Buster, ANdy's dog without fear of a CC of that role. Agreed that lying about character names is stupid. I honestly don't see the problem of people lying as town. (Game wise, not alignment wise). I'd like for you to expand on why you have a mild town tell on Glowball, because I have a scum read.
No. It was there because I thought it was ridiculous she would claim to be Bo Peep while claiming Buster later on. I just thought you missed that fact.
On your defense of Nanook. I just don't really remember Nanook much at all. Just his early posts. I'm not basing my entire read on him because of lurking though.
I direct the cop to her and Peregine because I find their play to be scummy. Peregine most likely due to connections, and his eager jump to the prize.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:57 pm

Thank you. Ok. So, that must mean Bo Peep might have been Umbrage's safe claim.

Glowball: Ok. What is your read on Peregine then? Gee this coming from you? I never knew you would be one to blacklist.

Go ahead. I think you know my read on you is not solely based on your AtE. Your AtE is a null tell, as I have said many times.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:58 pm

Oh and why do you support a Jmurph and Beefster Wagon, Glowball?

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:02 pm

No. Answer my questions. You are BEING ANTI TOWN by not answering me. WHAT IS YOUR READ ON PEREGINE, AND WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE JMURPH AND BEEFY WAGONS????

You can scumhunt and answer my questions. Don't be silly.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:03 pm

What you say does matter. You can't just *hand wave* it.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:14 pm

PJ

: Yes I do that in all my games. To emphasize game days. It's a habit.

That wasn't a crumb. I don't crumb. That was a joke. Before joining this game, I joked with Chkflip (on face book chat, he invited me to this game) saying I'd joke crumb OBVIOUSLY and LOUDLY, in my first post, regardless of what role I got. Beefster most likely saw that, and is TOWN from his reaction in his #962. Also, I do like donuts alot. I made it as obvious as possible. I do not think I could ever refer to that as a real crumb.

I would try to be more subtle with a crumb if I were being serious.

I don't crumb so I don't have links to other games of me crumbing. : D I might crumb if I get better experience with PR's, but not so much at this point in my mafia career.

Concerning the CC. I am very giddy inside. I just am curious as to why FourseenSCUM would claim a char that could get him CC'd to his death. I do think it's best we wait for Fourseen's reaction. ;o

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:18 pm

Jakalope

: Farside and I asked him Fourseen to claim.

Flavour Analysis · Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:29 pm

Hmmm, good point. Let me re-phrase. Essentially, because of that, they wouldn't be scum together. You are right, it could have been possible for both of them being town. Basically, if Kendall was scum, then obv Jmurph wouldn't be the same alignment as her. (Because she messed up the names, and she wouldn't forget a buddy) That was my line of thinking.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:44 pm

Hi Oversoul. You are town. Your slot before you was town.

Deathnote makes a good point. Fourseen didn't claim a name because he knew he'd get heat for it, and Glowball backed him up so that he wouldn't have to. Jakalope makes a good point in saying that Fourseen didn't claim until pressured into it. He was always asking "Do you still need me to claim my character?" Because he would rather keep it until asked for it. Deathnote giving himself up to get 1 for 1 also makes me like him alot better.

Vote: Fourseen

Also, Fourseen picked Soda most likely because he saw my push for Soda at the end of the Day, and knew that it would be a vig kill. Thus, that was not town motivation from him because he KNEW a vig would target him, but would still try to mislynch me regardless. He was trying to grasp at straws earlier "Oh well FA is 50% scum so we should take that chance"
to justify a lynch on me.

mikehart wrote:Holy hell for some reason my subscription decided to stop emailing me or I read the email without clicking the link.

Fourseen seems caught.

But

His soft cc of umbrage doesn't make sense to me if he were scum.
Not sure if scum had time to strategize before game start
(I seem to recall that happening in the past but not sure as I also recall it not happening. Mod choice maybe?) But I could see them strategizing that interaction and I could potentitally see a scum watcher trying it as a gambit but that's a stretch
cause causing your gf to be lynched day one is really bad play
.

That's a big but and I'm not convinced the monkey would be guaranteed scum either so I'm not ready to place my vote there yet.

FAs claim of woody is suspect to me. why would woody be a one-shot vig? Even going with the whole sherrifs have guns thing, woody would carry a six shot revolver. What kind of pistol is a single shot?

-personal note-
The speed and veritable flood of text in this game really makes it hard for me to keep up and as such I am seriously contemplating replacing out. I really love the source material and the experience of a big theme like this after so many years away so I will soldier on the best I can until I feel I'm becoming a liability to the town.

How would you know if they strategized or not?

Remember. Fourseen and Glowball soft countered him together. Fourseen never claimed a character. Glowball LIED about the Bo Peep claim. If she isn't Bo Peep, then she was fine with claiming that and not outing another Bo Peep. If Fourseen flips mafia watcher, then umbrage was TOLD to claim watcher for a higher purpose.

Second underlined. Umbrage was a VI. So it would make sense for their scum mates to ride his lynch to ultimate benefit land. Don't know why you didn't consider that. Also remember Rainbow creating a 'two scum teams' theory. She is voting YOU for it. You don't have anything to say for that?

PeregrineV wrote:
I find it hard to believe scum Fourseen killed their godfather day1 with his BoBeep counterclaim
. But anything is possible.

However, lying and getting name counterclaimed is ironic, considering yesterday.

As to flavor,

Woody could be a Jailkeeper (sheriff puts people in Jail)
a vig (Sheriffs have guns)
a cop (Sheriffs are law enforcement)
a RB (Sheriffs "stop" crime or even perceived crime)
a watcher (Sheriffs watch for criminal activity)
a tracker (Sheriffs watch for criminal activity)
a doc (Sheriffs "protect" the public)
etc.

One-shot is designed for game balance, so making any of them one-shot doesn't mean anything.

So flavor arguments are weak.

Of course you do. You also forget Umbrage was a VI. But you halt because of that? Scum most likely would get the best out of their VI GF lynch. Again, if Fourseen flips scum watcher, Umbrage fake claiming watcher was planned to give Fourseen and Glowball town cred.

If he flips scum, I'd suggest either one of [Peregine, Glowball] be copped or just lynched the next DaY. Peregine used the trivia to confirm Fourseen as town, so that's another thing that connects him to this mess.

I would want [Peregine, Glowball] Copped/lynch before moving on to [Snakeside,Rainbow]. This is all related to Fourseen flipping scum. Unrelated, we still have Nanook, Mikehart, and Bob as leads.

P-edit: Heh, now he's falling back to me now. Fourseen, why did you vote Deathnote earlier on? Isn't he scum if you aren't?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:47 pm

Fourseen, why did you vote Deathnote earlier on? Isn't he scum if you aren't?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:51 pm

But that wasn't your reason for voting him. You voted him for CC'ing a watcher's CHARACTER. Tell me what was scummy about that.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:19 pm

Farside

:

Sure.

Glowball and Fourseen soft countered Umbrage Together. Glowball did that to cover for Fourseen not using a character in his soft cc.

Peregine took the prize as QUICKLY as he could. He then used a 'doc' on Fourseen for cc'ing, and would then confirm him as town. As you can see, Peregine also isn't sure if Fourseen would let his GF die, because Fourseen is scum with Peregine.

Rainbow and you are less suspicious than those three, but upon their scum flips, both you and Rainbow become more suspicious.

Rainbow made the 'two scum teams theory' when she was attacking Umbrage. She would do that as a scummate to leave a lack of connection to Umbrage being a VI who will die regardless. She also stated the 'double vig theory' which Peregine used to confirm Fourseen as town.

You, because I feel you aren't really considering my views of GLOW scum and just sweeping it under the rug. (I am still waiting for you to do that though, so no worries on that)

Also:

farside22 wrote:Ray: I will never say that Fourseen post are all that informative. I stated before my read on him.

However I'm having a hard time understanding why (if your saying fourseen scum, which I assume at this point) he would CC a claim from scum like that. Town cred?
I mean really the question he asked from people doesn't really scream scum to me
. It reminds me of a few LOL players who don't really think......well lets call them fluffsters that are null. I have personally been back and forth on my reads with Fourseen but the watcher CC as scum is really hard to believe that coming from scum.

I'm curious enough to see what FA has to say for this to come into play

unvote
vote: FA

You were having a hard time believing the watcher cc and called it null and called Fourseen a LOL player. You would say that to give support to Fourseen, while condemning me. You didn't really say why you were leaning towards me.

farside22 wrote:Never mind I see something that changed my mind looking at some pic's from the movie. He had a holster.

unvote:
vote: Nanook

There is no vig kill on a fucking claimed watcher talk
. God you people need to stop with the catty shit.

You are trying to reinforce the idea of Fourseen being vigged = ridiculous.

In relation to all this, you are the least suspicious. When I say relation, I mean relating to Fourseen's watcher claim.

Nanook is connected to being fence sitty with Umbrage's claim, and so is Mike Hart. Actually, Mike hart is related only by being fence sitty of Fourseen watcher being scum, same as you are. But since Rainbow is more suspicious then you, Mikehart isn't as suspicious because of Rainbow's case on MikeHart. (Which I don't think she has really pushed as hard as Umbrage YeSterday)

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:20 pm

Yeah I want to wait and see if a trivia game will happen.

Deff fine with Diddin getting it ToDay.

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:21 pm

glowball wrote:DAMNIT- I so highly doubt that Fourseen is scumz with Umbrage.

He still needs to die, because his flip COULD reveal another faction...

I thought you said that was a crack pot theory?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:22 pm

Hey Fourseen. Why did you ask to compete for the trivia prize earlier ToDay?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:25 pm

Flavour Analysis wrote:But that wasn't your reason for voting him. You voted him for CC'ing a watcher's CHARACTER. Tell me what was scummy about that.

Fourseen, you never responded to this. (About voting Deathnote)

Pedit: Because you are scum, Four. I'm not dependant on you, I have other leads which I think you forget.

Ah, ok. So why didn't you ask that YeSterday?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:26 pm

glowball wrote:Hey a useful question! I'll let down my block to answer...

I said it was a crackpot theory TO EXCUSE ANOTHER PLAYER AND STALL A LYNCH DAY ONE BECAUSE OF A TWO FACTION THEORY.

Rainbow said that if there were two factions Umbrage WAS NOT scum.

Fourseen could be scum, I just doubt it if there is one faction but I am not going to DIVERT a lynch because of a personal theory

Ok. What does that make Rainbow?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:29 pm

So how did you know Umbrage wasn't the real watcher?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:36 pm

So you were fine with lynching a PR that could have possibly been TOWN? Did you say you were bored YeSterday?

Also, why didn't you compete for the trivia or ask about it YeSterday?

Glowball

: Can you give me thoughts on Fourseen lynching a possible watcher without knowing if the claim was real?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:39 pm

Oh sorry I missed that. : D Thank you.

But you can still answer my first question, which is more important:

So you were fine with lynching a PR that could have possibly been TOWN?

Flavour Analysis · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:44 pm

Fourseen

: Ok, thank you. Do you usually use gut for your reads?

Glowball

: YAY : D Ah ok, thank you.

Flavour Analysis · Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:59 am

Offside note: I lol'd at Fourseen. Some people said they'd black list him, but I applaud him for doing that VERY VERY dumb and risky thing because it netted us a scum lynch. I do think he over did it though. I think he now knows it can out town pr's too.

Vote: TheJakalope

Ray, join in. I also didn't like that he was just parroting. Also note he didn't mention Nanook.

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Jakalope

: Why haven't you said anything about Nanook?

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Jmurph

: I want you to look at Beefster's #962, and tell me what that makes you think of him. Also consider that he plays the same way regardless of alignment.

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Chflip

: Where you at son.

Flavour Analysis · Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:59 am

TheJakalope wrote:Finding it hard to be interested in this game. Sorry.

Let's see.. I like the Nanook wagon, but I don't find him scummy enough to put a vote right now, but am glad there is some pressure.

I know I'm guilty of this, but I find it odd how many people are hiding. Stop that. It seems like it's an exchange between like 5 people.

I might do an ISO of a few people of interest later. Also going to go through player's interactions with Umbrage. I don't find a 2nd Mafia, or a Third party very unlikely. It's definitely a possibility.

@RainbowDash, do you really think it's likely that there are 2 separate vigs in this game and that the Mafia didn't kill

Rather, why are you voting him ToDay but never voted him YeSterday?

Flavour Analysis · Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:01 am

@Rainbow Dash

: who are your top suspects ToDay?

Flavour Analysis · Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:22 am

Rainbow, why do you want to wagon Jmurph?

What do you think of Jakalope not wanting to vote Nanook YeSterday but votes him without hesitating ToDay?