Mini 1217 - Campaign Mafia (Game Over!)

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Besides, I figured that this would be costing the mafia more than it would the town. the mafia has to find which of their members is more towny looking in the towns eye. If they don't know how everyone looks in the town's eye, they can't chose the townier one.

Bullshit. Mafia have the entire afternoon phase to talk. Quilford found something good; how did you know the thread was open? Why should we believe that you didn't know your alignment? you're trying to WIFOM us son

Whats he at? don't want to go too fast for our own good.

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woah this game is going fast lol

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VOTE: Maruchan

Temp vote, but its WAY too easy to lynch this guy; somethings up

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oh god. I forgot about this completely

Wouldn't a scummy player be better for the town? we want obv towns for end game dont we?

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damn son, this game moves really fast while I sleep.

I want quilford to nominate himself, but I don' think hes scum! Just slightly irritating me

TS is town

I'm town

Packbat is town

Johhog is Null-prob town

and the rest is scum.

I would nominate one of the lurkers probably. (Ill be posting more now

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Yeah, I can only see two guys (Quilford and Packbat) who has a scumread on me.

does anyone else have a scumread on johog?

nullish for me

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Right now something like hiplop-town, Lurconis-null, Packbat-nullscum, Pomegranate-null, Quilford-nulltown (as much as I hate to confess to it), Shadow Dancer-nullscum (interesting gambit, but I dunno), Tovarish now null-scum for not writing anything, Twistedspoon-town.

I have this evening before I leave the game also, but let's look at that later.

so you dont have any scum reads?

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^ explain?

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Ah, I see your point.

WIFOMING this game probably isnt the best bet though..is it?

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This is just a though, but scum would know when the topic was about to be reopened

*looks at packbat and hiplop*

anyways, johog has always been obtown and pom scummier and less contributuing

VOTE: johog

I just have have no life bro (not true, im one BUSY

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fu tab key.

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Couple things.

First: I'm finding this entire game incredibly frustrating, primarily because there is essentially

no town

for any townie to count on - half the players in the game are scum, so it's a bear trying to get a sense of what the

real

townies are thinking.

Second: I think Shadow Dancer has the right of it. If the Mafia have no reads on the townies to go by, then the Mafia can't nominate scummy townspeople

or

towny scum.

Oh, and

Johhog is at L-1

. Just mentioning it in hopes that we won't have another ridiculously short day.

Thanks pack. Just about voted johhog lol!

Johhog makes more sense as town; could see scum putting pom up b/c he was an original choice for it: hoping he could best johhog

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The way I see it, there are two possibilities.

One: Johhog is town, and one or more of Shadow Dancer, Twistedspoon, Duplicity, and Lurconis is voting him (or announcing an intention to do so, in the last case) for towncred.

Two: Johhog is scum, and one or more of Shadow Dancer, Twistedspoon, Duplicity, and Lurconis has been fooled.

Given that scum is in the lead, I really don't see why they would try to angle for towncred right now. If they can get just two townies to vote their way by chance, they can leave whichever of their own players is towniest off the wagon, hammer, and waltz in for a D3 perfect scum victory. Given this, I would expect it to be like pulling teeth to try to get four votes for town in here, and we have four votes available for Johhog in

under two days

.

I don't buy it. At all.

VOTE: Pomegranate

What about BUSSING?

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I'm down for a hiplop nomination when we're ready

I don't think there's anyone with a serious scumread on him anyways...

you want me to nominate myself? I'm fine with that, I guess. Kinda wanted to play longer though But it probably is good :\

Wanna have another nomination vote?

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Woah. Wasn't expecting TS to be scum.

Smart nomination, though.

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Fuck tab key

It was smart because I was the one who was supposed to be up, you essentially are getting rid of an obvtown player who would be a big pain in the ass later on. And you have a chance of beating me :\

I'm glad hiplop is against me because at any other nomination I'd have said he was the townie

This is a very weird post, can you explain it?

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Come on you two, sling a bit more dirt at each other! I want to have some fun watching.

why?

there's nothing more to say except twisted is conf. scum to me

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looking back at his iso it's just fluff to me

no analysis or anything

Yeah, I admit I lurked. But I did post content, just victim of circumstance I suppose.

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so why should we (i say we, but I know you're conf. scum) believe you're town?

Theres no scum motives for anything i've done, I was trying to find scum, and I was keeping a long with the trhread, I just posted when I wanted to know something. I did lurk a little too much, and I'm sorry, but your case on me is just that, lurking. Town lurks just as much as scum, and if you look at my other games, I do tend to lurk as town.

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Justifying lurking b/c thats all you've said.

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thats not what it looks like when i ISO you. Why are you trying to make it look like you doubted my towniness earlier? never did you mention PoE...

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Not a bad actor

Theres no fucking reason to AtE like that, honestly. You're being a drama queen ~

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process of elimination

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The "im done wasting my time on you" is AtE

Bad actor just is rude, doesnt mean anything.

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Fair enough.

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@Dup: Please realize that you are only accusing twisted of changing his opinion about hip after hip was nominated against him. Inconsistency, contrary to what far too many people believe, was never a scum tell and most especially is not in this case.

vote Twisted

the thing i find odd is that he refuses to admit those things. He had a a BIG town read on me, and suddenly he only had a slight one on me due to PoE. Why is he lying?

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nomming me was a BAD move. It was the worst time to nominate me...

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Damn...
Packbat is the single most abysmal town player I've ever encountered in any of my games I guess... I mean - 100% wrong over four or five elections?

Gee, tell us how you

really

feel.

The more I think about the maru situation the more I think that some mod-legislation would have been appropriate. Not reading one's role PM pre-game before posting a vote or, in this case, entering an election is absolutely against the spirit of the game. Since this is an open setup any combination of force replacement and redistributing role PMs wouldn't have been too much trouble.

Yes.

Force-replace and role-rerolling would have been good, there - definite violation of community norms by Maruchan, here.

community norms? Has this type of a game ever been tried before? Or anything similar? If the answer is NO, how in FUCKS name is there a "community norm" for the behavior when dealing with this game? hmm?

/endmewinningargument

its still mafia