Mini 1217 - Campaign Mafia (Game Over!)

[Johhog]

Although now that I look back, I pretty much gave the town the win on a silver platter because timeater can not post a single word and he is still more likely to win.

This looks like a scumslip to me.

[Johhog]

Omg, I just read the first page. Sorry!

[Johhog]

No I did not read the five pages of thread you have aggregated over night.
Does it mater - no - because no way I am voting for Maruchan today. Who seeds irresponsible behaviour will earn just the same...

vote timeeater

Look up the latest vote count now...

Wtf hammer?

*looks back*
Ah, Packbat unvoted, good.

We can't quickhammer this, we need to discuss more. What Maruchan did was stupid and scummy, but not stupid and scummy enough for us to quicklynch him. Therefore, to even it out:

VOTE: Maruchan

[Johhog]

Bah, I guess you're right here.

UNVOTE: Maruchan

But seriously guys, Timeater hasn't said a word - and you want us to elect him?

[Johhog]

We are "electing", so we are voting for the one we think is town. And Timeater isn't here, I want him to say

something

before we elect him.

[Johhog]

Personally the only scumread I have is Shadow.

[Johhog]

Oh I just realised - everyone is hating Maruchan, so he is pretty likely bussed scum.

No hammer yet though.

Also, Quilford, why? Because I don't agree with you?

[Johhog]

Why would he be? He can just be a VI. A very, very failing VI. That's not considering the fact that everyone seems to wanna elect the other guy, which seems like a bussing.

[Johhog]

Yes you do.

Now I want Timeater to get in here and say something.

[Johhog]

Fuck it's a hammer. I bet Timeater was scum. Couldn't we at least have waited for him to say something?!

This day was terribad.

[Johhog]

Which means?

[Johhog]

It was a hammer. I'm almost sure. Wait, rereading.

[Johhog]

Yeah, indeed it was a hammer. 5 to elect, by the last votecount Timeater was at E-1, then Packbat unvoted, then Shadow and Twisted voted. Timeater is elected, without him even talking. OMFG.

[Johhog]

Overreacting? We elected a guy who didn't post a single post, all this in twelve hours, and you think I'm overreacting?

[Johhog]

But we wasted a whole week. I mean, we rushed, which is exactly what Maruchan did.

[Johhog]

Vote Count Analysis.

[Johhog]

But we wasted a whole week. I mean, we rushed, which is exactly what Maruchan did.

And YOU are (to yourself) KNOWN town. if KNOWN town can rush why can't POSSIBLE town rush (IE: me). Cuz I am town. And I did rush.

Nah, my point was that people were voting for you because you rushed, but then they were rushing themselves, which is more than slightly hypocritical.

[Johhog]

Very good town. This is the dumbest play I've seen in a long time.

[Johhog]

FoS: Shadow Dancer

FoS: Quilford

The ones setting of my scumdar atm.

[Johhog]

At least Pomegranate wanted to wait until everyone posted, she also wanted Maruchan to explain himself. Not more than null to me.

[Johhog]

I think Twisted is town.

[Johhog]

Maruchan, you're dead.

[Johhog]

I think the best strategy would be to choose our biggest townread to the election. Objections?

[Johhog]

The thing is, I don't really want to nominate a scummy player today, if a scum gets elected this evening we need to elect right three times in a row. Nah, I want us to nominate a town player. Preferably hiplop or Twistedspoon. Hm, hell I'm not sure of hiplop. Wouldn't Twistedspoon be a good nomination?

[Johhog]

But who is the "best scumhunters" in this game according to you TS? Because to me nearly all the experienced players in this game seem to be scummy.

[Johhog]

I don't see how Tovarish is a good nomination. We can't argue that we should nominate someone because it would be "a small loss". We have to elect town now, or we're fucked.

[Johhog]

Yeah, I'm feeling that it would be good to nominate me, but if we find any guy who is more town, choose him.

You forget one thing Twisted. Tomorrow you will have one more day to look back at, interactions, reactions etc. Maybe there will be a new obvtown by then?

I would want to nominate Twisted btw, but I'm not sure everyone would agree with that.

[Johhog]

1) Not this early of course. We wait a few days before we nominate whoever we are nominating.
2) Nope. He is scummy, but not obvscum.
3) No, I'm far from sure.

[Johhog]

Hopefully we'll get a new obvtown though.

Or we nominate another person. Your choice.

[Johhog]

Yeah, I suppose you're right. Still it's harder to get a good scumread this early I suppose.

[Johhog]

Shadow Dancer is very scummy imo.

[Johhog]

I'm agreeing with Twisted here. Quilford, you need to come up with a real accusation.

[Johhog]

Lolno. Why would he be? He is one of the scummier in this game imo.

[Johhog]

Nah, we need a obvtown or a obvscum, and I'm afraid most won't agree that you're obvtown Twisted. Quilford is one candidate we could nominate as obvscum, but I would prefer Shadow or something along that line tbh.

[Johhog]

EBWOP: To be nominated, that is.

[Johhog]

Don't replace out Twisted. Don't let scum like Quilford destroy your game.

[Johhog]

Don't replace out Twisted. Don't let scum like Quilford destroy your game.

Explain, in your own words, why you think I'm scum.

I'm almost certain that at least one of Johhog and Twisted is scum.

Aha! You're flip-flopping a lot here Quilford. First I was scum, then I was town and now I'm scum again? Please decide.
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Your scum because you elected someone who didn't even post, tunneling on Maruchan, refusing to take responsibility for the Timeater election, calling yourself confirmed town when you are waaaay more scum than town, intentionally refusing to explain your scumreads (even though it got better later) and being hypocritical. Of course that's not my real reasons, but that should do fine.

[Johhog]

Hm, add OMGUS to that.

[Johhog]

Lol Quilford is scum.

[Johhog]

Lol Quilford is scum.

And you call me a tunneller and a hypocrite.

Oh, not intentional at all.

Of course that's not my real reasons

What?

Anything strange with this? Y'know, I never use evidence to find scum, I just make my evidence up on the spot to if possible convince others. Here it was quite a lot though.

[Johhog]

I'd be fine with nominating myself.

I don't think you're that much obvscum... yet. I'd be more fine with a SD nomination.

[Johhog]

hiplop - Probably town, he is sticking to his town meta.
Johhog - Obvtown.
Lurconis - Nullish scum. I suggest you stop the lurcing.
Packbat - I'm a little afraid of this guy. Null, but he could easily be scum.
Pomegranate - The only one who actually gave reasoning for voting Maruchan. Nullish town.
Quilford - Very likely scum per my above points.
Shadow Dancer - Obvscum. Tunneling and being way too aggressive.
Tovarish - Need to see more posts from this guy. Null.
Twistedspoon - Very town, not obvtown but very close. Good points and plays with reason.

[Johhog]

Of course that's not my real reasons

What?

Anything strange with this? Y'know, I never use evidence to find scum, I just make my evidence up on the spot to if possible convince others. Here it was quite a lot though.

'that's not my real reasons' sounds like an easy way to back out of being wrong when your reasons are proven completely wrong eg just then

What are your real reasons, Johhog?

As I said I just make up my reasons, I never have any real ones. I use my gut.

[Johhog]

Hm, SD is scum, Quilford is scum... who should we nominate? Still SD is even more obvscum, so personally I'll stick with him.

[Johhog]

says "Pomegranate - The only one who actually gave reasoning for voting Maruchan. Nullish town." when TS was the hammer vote on the Maru wagon

puts TS as almost obvtown
wut wut

He claims he wasn't aware it was the hammer. I believe him.

[Johhog]

Don't replace out Twisted. Don't let scum like Quilford destroy your game.

Explain, in your own words, why you think I'm scum.

I'm almost certain that at least one of Johhog and Twisted is scum.

Aha! You're flip-flopping a lot here Quilford. First I was scum, then I was town and now I'm scum again? Please decide.

The first change was based on the flip.

The second hasn't even happened

yet

. It just makes sense for one of you to be scum.

Lol, indeed.

[Johhog]

hiplop - Probably town, he is sticking to his town meta.

Meta

Hypocrisy.

Lurconis - Nullish scum. I suggest you stop the lurcing.

Activity levels

So?

Packbat - I'm a little afraid of this guy. Null, but he could easily be scum.

None specified, 'a little afraid'. Classic scum null read.

So?

Pomegranate - The only one who actually gave reasoning for voting Maruchan. Nullish town.

Blatant lies designed to incense.

Not lies.

Quilford - Very likely scum per my above points.

which have been rebutted and are contradictory

Nope.

Shadow Dancer - Obvscum. Tunneling and being way too aggressive.

Hypocrisy, extreme subjectivity, hyperbole - probably a bus?

Lulz.

Tovarish - Need to see more posts from this guy. Null.

Activity levels

So?

Twistedspoon - Very town, not obvtown but very close. Good points and plays with reason.

Buddying, vagueness.

Ah, I'm scum because I have a townread on your scumread. I see.

---

You've finally convinced me that you're scum! Congratulations!

[Johhog]

That's honestly the only thing I can say in response. Your points is full of fail.

[Johhog]

says "Pomegranate - The only one who actually gave reasoning for voting Maruchan. Nullish town." when TS was the hammer vote on the Maru wagon

puts TS as almost obvtown
wut wut

He claims he wasn't aware it was the hammer. I believe him.

He came up with a list of reasons as to why Maruchan was scum. Unless he's admitting to just quoting someone's post he would've read the game. If he had read the game he should've know the VC.

Hypocrisy, again. You claimed that you wasn't aware it was the hammer.

[Johhog]

So you didn't read the thread?

[Johhog]

Continue to flail and fail to respond to my points, thanks.

Lol.

[Johhog]

I did not know it was the hammer. my catchup methods are odd, and I've been criticised in the past for having confusing catchup posts. I tend to catchup backwards to read the most recent posts first and then when i realise things aren't making sense i start from the start. It's a bad habit of mine. I didn't pay much attention to the votecounts when i voted. I should've realised it was the hammer. I did not though and that cannot be changed.

anyways you 2 need to stop tunneling on each other. there are 4 scum sat snugly in a QT who only gain when we forget about them. I need more from topa and SD

Not tunneling, and I have other scumreads, but we really need to apply more pressure to Quilford.
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And the above post is such towntells that's making me confident in my townread on Twistedspoon.

[Johhog]

Still no response...

'lol'

Lolololol.

[Johhog]

So SD is obvscum, Quilford is almost confirmed scum. Now we just need to find the third.

Quilford: Every post you make from now on without a good logical point will be met with a "Lol".

[Johhog]

Fair enough. What rebuttal are you talking about? Show me the post, I'm beginning to lose track of all the rebuttals.

[Johhog]

@crazy: were scum role Pms sent out at the same time as town Pms, and would we be able to use role PM time to deduce alignments?

I'm declining to answer this.

Not good at all.

[Johhog]

Right in what?

[Johhog]

I don't get it.

[Johhog]

for scum it would be near impossible for them to push the point about their confirmed townieness this far as they's know it would be impossible for them to ever be confirmed town because they would be scum

LOL. Remind me about sigging this sentence post-game.

[Johhog]

Lol, you're no good town candidate. I would likely vote your opponent.

[Johhog]

No no Twisted, I meant I will sig it because it's written in a quite funny way. Not so fun now as when I first saw it though.

Quilford: Because you're scummy as fuck. ESPECIALLY since you seem to think that you're confirmed. Besides, it's much better to force-nominate our scummiest read.

[Johhog]

but In it's own bizzare way that's what makes quilford so town. it would just never cross scum's mind that they're confirmed town, let alone push the point so hard

Not agreed. Scum can do that just as much as town can.

[Johhog]

But your last rebuttal of mine rebuttal of your rebuttal makes no sense.

More relevant question: Why do you want to nominate yourself?

[Johhog]

But we don't want to nominate a town. Much more fail-proof to nominate a scummy person.

And I don't agree with your last rebuttal at all. My point still stands.

[Johhog]

Also we can't actually force someone to nominate themselves.

no, but they'd be obvscum/conf. scum if they refuse

So what? They'd just never nominate themselves/be nominated.

How good for town! Then we have a confirmed scum running around in endgame.

[Johhog]

But what am I supposed to respond to? In your last rebuttal you basically discarded all my explanations on my reads. How productive is it to discard everything back?

[Johhog]

hiplop - Probably town, he is sticking to his town meta.

Meta

Hypocrisy.

The fact that you don't elaborate on what meta and how means it is not hypocrisy?

He is playing to his own town meta, what do you want me to say? You're discarding of this read is hypocrisy because you're using meta on Twistedspoon

Lurconis - Nullish scum. I suggest you stop the lurcing.

Activity levels

So?

You list no reason apart from lurking for listing this guy as 'nullish scum'.

And his few posts is a little scummish.

Packbat - I'm a little afraid of this guy. Null, but he could easily be scum.

None specified, 'a little afraid'. Classic scum null read.

So?

You list no reasoning.

Because I don't have any. He seems... shady... in a way that can be both townish and scummy.

Pomegranate - The only one who actually gave reasoning for voting Maruchan. Nullish town.

Blatant lies designed to incense.

Not lies.

Everyone for Maruchan gave reasoning. Show me otherwise.

Oh no they didn't. OH GOD HE NOMINATED HIMSELF HE IS SCUM isn't reasoning.

Quilford - Very likely scum per my above points.

which have been rebutted and are contradictory

Nope.

Well then rebut my rebuttal.

Wait what rebuttal?

Shadow Dancer - Obvscum. Tunneling and being way too aggressive.

Hypocrisy, extreme subjectivity, hyperbole - probably a bus?

Lulz.

Oh god you didn't even answer to this one.

Tovarish - Need to see more posts from this guy. Null.

Activity levels

So?

You list one person as null-scum for lurking but you only list this guy as null?

Yeah? His only post is giving me more townvibes than Lurconis posts.

Twistedspoon - Very town, not obvtown but very close. Good points and plays with reason.

Buddying, vagueness.

Ah, I'm scum because I have a townread on your scumread. I see.

When did I ever say that?

You didn't, but I can see what you really mean.

---

You've finally convinced me that you're scum! Congratulations!

Happy? The only thing I can answer to this, but what did you expect?

[Johhog]

Oh golly, it's a grammar fail. Whatever.

[Johhog]

hiplop - Probably town, he is sticking to his town meta.

Meta

Hypocrisy.

The fact that you don't elaborate on what meta and how means it is not hypocrisy?

He is playing to his own town meta, what do you want me to say? You're discarding of this read is hypocrisy because you're using meta on Twistedspoon

I noted specific meta to compare TS' play with. Can you?

Try to check out Newbie 1112 for example.

Lurconis - Nullish scum. I suggest you stop the lurcing.

Activity levels

So?

You list no reason apart from lurking for listing this guy as 'nullish scum'.

And his few posts is a little scummish.

why?

Gut.

Packbat - I'm a little afraid of this guy. Null, but he could easily be scum.

None specified, 'a little afraid'. Classic scum null read.

So?

You list no reasoning.

Because I don't have any. He seems... shady... in a way that can be both townish and scummy.

What makes him shady?

Gut, Twistedspoon said something about this being his scum meta also.

Pomegranate - The only one who actually gave reasoning for voting Maruchan. Nullish town.

Blatant lies designed to incense.

Not lies.

Everyone for Maruchan gave reasoning. Show me otherwise.

Oh no they didn't. OH GOD HE NOMINATED HIMSELF HE IS SCUM isn't reasoning.

1) Yes it is. 2) List the reasoning Pom gave and then show how no-one else gave it

1. Oh no it isn't. 2. OK, reasoning was the wrong word. Nah, Pomegranate wanted Maruchan to explain himself, she tried to force content out of him, she asked question to others, in short she acted pro-town.

Quilford - Very likely scum per my above points.

which have been rebutted and are contradictory

Nope.

Well then rebut my rebuttal.

Wait what rebuttal?

you wrote like a whole paragraph which I rebutted. I'll quote it

Will answer it after this post.

Shadow Dancer - Obvscum. Tunneling and being way too aggressive.

Hypocrisy, extreme subjectivity, hyperbole - probably a bus?

Lulz.

Oh god you didn't even answer to this one.

Oh god you still didn't give an answer to this one. Please do.

Tovarish - Need to see more posts from this guy. Null.

Activity levels

So?

You list one person as null-scum for lurking but you only list this guy as null?

Yeah? His only post is giving me more townvibes than Lurconis posts.

And why is it doing that? And if it is, why not put him at null-town?

Gut, and with only one post I can't put him as null-town.

Twistedspoon - Very town, not obvtown but very close. Good points and plays with reason.

Buddying, vagueness.

Ah, I'm scum because I have a townread on your scumread. I see.

When did I ever say that?

You didn't, but I can see what you really mean.

What?

Yes.

[Johhog]

Don't replace out Twisted. Don't let scum like Quilford destroy your game.

Explain, in your own words, why you think I'm scum.

I'm almost certain that at least one of Johhog and Twisted is scum.

Aha! You're flip-flopping a lot here Quilford. First I was scum, then I was town and now I'm scum again? Please decide.

The first change was based on the flip.

The second hasn't even happened yet. It just makes sense for one of you to be scum.

Yet, indeed. Seems like you had decided you would change your read on me.

Your scum because you elected someone who didn't even post,

So did everyone else on the bandwagon, including Twisted. It's not even remotely relevant either?

How is it not? It's only one of the reasons too.

tunneling on Maruchan

Do you take issues with the reasons for why I voted Maruchan? It seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

Argh you must let Timeater say something, acknowledge the possibility that Timeater is scum, but you didn't.

refusing to take responsibility for the Timeater election

Since when?

In one post you said something like "Maruchan's fault, he was so scummy" or something along those lines. Don't know exactly what post.

calling yourself confirmed town when you are waaaay more scum than town

Your personal reads are not relevant to the reasons why I consider myself confirmed town. I'm pretty sure I should be mod-confirmed, even, if not completely.

LOLNO. No chance you are confirmed.

intentionally refusing to explain your scumreads

At the time I posted my reads I was on public transport heading to school. It shouldn't be surprising that I had no time to elaborate.

Fair.

being hypocritical.

Did you just copy the point that TS made that I rebutted?

Er, so I can't agree with someone now? Interesting.

Of course that's not my real reasons

What?

Oh, I just try to find some reasons that others may find scummy to convince them. Personally I only use my gut.

[Johhog]

after this long back and forth im thinking this may be town v town.

yah, exactly what I've been trying to say

anyawys, we need

DS

. badly

Do you mean Shadow Dancer or that you are desperate to play Mario Kart quickly?

[Johhog]

You guys seriously don't think that a SD nomination would be good? Oh my.

[Johhog]

What is your reasons for suspecting me Packbat?

[Johhog]

And your point is... ?

[Johhog]

I didn't. I was reading the game (like 8 pages while I was asleep wtf), I was tired and I wasn't sure on what to think.

But having that said, I didn't change my mind. I stated two possibilities (but I thought that Maruchantown was slightly more likely).

[Johhog]

Actually, I change my nomination of SD to a nomination of myself.

Tbh a townflip on me could be game deciding.

[Johhog]

But can't we get even more info from a town flip on me?

[Johhog]

Nah, but they're just two.

And in worst case I get lynched, but then it should hopefully be pretty clear who the scum is.

[Johhog]

Packbat should agree to an SD nomination

packbat, I would very much like you to nominate yourself

Whaaaaaat?

I'd still want to nominate myself.

[Johhog]

I'd still want to nominate myself.

we have at least 2 players who would vote you scum

until a flip from ether one, I don't think that's particularly sensible

Let it be so then, this may be the last Day before LyLo.

[Johhog]

^makes sense. I suppose he isn't obvscum any more, but he is still a scumread of mine.

I change my nomination vote to myself.

[Johhog]

Erg, I can see my own wishy-washyness here (and when you can do that you know it's bad) but I'm not sure what the best strategy is here.

I mean, we can do four things, and none of them are very bad:

1) Nominate an obvtown. The problem: we need to find one first. The majority don't seem to agree on one.

2) Nominate an obvscum. The problem: we need to find one first. The majority don't seem to agree on one.

3) Nominate a person which would give us very much info after his flip. I'm talking about guys like me, TS, Packbat and perhaps Quilford here, in order from most to least info.

4) Nominate a lurker. We nominate someone like Tovarish. Interesting stuff may happen, but it feels pretty risky.

[Johhog]

Yeah, I can only see two guys (Quilford and Packbat) who has a scumread on me.

But the most important thing is all the info we would get from my flip. I expect scum to do all they can to stop this nomination.

[Johhog]

Yeah, I can only see two guys (Quilford and Packbat) who has a scumread on me.

does anyone else have a scumread on johog?

YEAH, ME.

(At least, a scummy read. I don't want him nom'ed.)

Now I'm even more motivated to nominate myself. Yeah, there's a little risk that you lynch me, but hopefully you will have enough information by then. This can also be the last nomination before LyLo.

[Johhog]

Bah. Remember I told you.

[Johhog]

Cmon, why not me? Scum would need to use one of their most town-looking guys to eliminate me.

[Johhog]

You know what? Fuck it. I'm joining this campaign, and even if you policy elect the other candidate we have so much info that we should still win this. I can't wait for approval, as I said scum will do everything to stop my nomination.

Join Campaign

TASTE THAT, *******.

Let's see where this ends, it can be either

A) Complete failure.
B) Complete win.

[Johhog]

That might've been the most stupid thing ever I've done in a Mafia game, but let's see where it ends.

[Johhog]

Right now something like hiplop-town, Lurconis-null, Packbat-nullscum, Pomegranate-null, Quilford-nulltown (as much as I hate to confess to it), Shadow Dancer-nullscum (interesting gambit, but I dunno), Tovarish now null-scum for not writing anything, Twistedspoon-town.

I have this evening before I leave the game also, but let's look at that later.

[Johhog]

Right now something like hiplop-town, Lurconis-null, Packbat-nullscum, Pomegranate-null, Quilford-nulltown (as much as I hate to confess to it), Shadow Dancer-nullscum (interesting gambit, but I dunno), Tovarish now null-scum for not writing anything, Twistedspoon-town.

I have this evening before I leave the game also, but let's look at that later.

so you dont have any scum reads?

Nah, unfortunately not. It would be Packbat and SD who perhaps is more than nullscum, hard to rate.

Yeah, I can only see two guys (Quilford and Packbat) who has a scumread on me.

does anyone else have a scumread on johog?

YEAH, ME.

(At least, a scummy read. I don't want him nom'ed.)

Now I'm even more motivated to nominate myself. Yeah, there's a little risk that you lynch me, but hopefully you will have enough information by then. This can also be the last nomination before LyLo.

Do you want to explain what you meant by this before the thread is locked?

What do you want me to explain?

[Johhog]

YEAH, ME.

(At least, a scummy read. I don't want him nom'ed.)

Now I'm even more motivated to nominate myself. Yeah, there's a little risk that you lynch me,

but hopefully you will have enough information by then

. This can also be the last nomination before LyLo.

Do you want to explain what you meant by this before the thread is locked?

What do you want me to explain?

What did you mean to say by

why did you bold part of my post? And what do you mean by the part of your post that I bolded/made red?

I'm still toying around with the fact that you're scum, and I know that scum would do fucking everything to stop my nomination. I'm just trying to see alternate scenarios.

As for the red, my townflip will give you

a lot

of info about who is scum and who is town.

Hopefully

enough to win the game.

Quilford: Nah, I'm afraid not.

[Johhog]

Well then why the fuck would you nominate yourself like that?

Twistedspoon partly answered that, but in short scum would do everything to stop my nomination (my flip would give so much info) so I had to quicknominate myself before scum nominated someone else.

[Johhog]

Short answer: Because I'm town.

Long answer: Because I'm town, and my townflip will corner a lot of scum. Now I know that I will flip even if I don't get elected, but still, 1-1 is better than 0-2, amirite? In short, I can't order you around, so choose wisely and maybe ISO me and my opponent.

[Johhog]

Um, hello everyone. As this is quite a special game, I can't really build cases and so right now, but if you ahve any questions, ask and I will try to answer.

Also, they went with the option of choosing a scum candidate that looked town, so obviously they think they will win this election, which is worrying me. Also, I didn't think Pomegranate was scum.

[Johhog]

I did reread at one point during the night, and someone (I think it was Twistedspoon or Quilford) said that there probably was more town than scum on the Maruchanwagon because it was D1. I don't agree. Maruchan was such a VI that scum could easily pile up on him, get a couple of townies on the wagon and ride to victory.

When Maruchan flipped town they could just brush it off with "He deserved it", "His own fault, he cut the discussion short" and "He was extremely scummy" kind of defences. Therefore I'm inclined to think that there is only two townies on the Maruchanwagon. FTR, it would be nearly impossible for there to only be one townie on the wagon, that would require all scum to be on that wagon.

Of these, Pomegranate is confirmed scum FMPOV and looking at the wagon Lurconis is most likely scum. I stand by my firm belief that Twistedspoon is town, which leaves Quilford and Shadow Dancer as wildcards, one of them is probably scum. Quilford is scummy, but I'm apparently the only one seeing this and the issue about the PM times do give him town points. Shadow Dancer's gambit is interesting, and let's see what it will lead to, but it could also be scum not wanting to give town any content to work with at this stage.

I also think that one scum would want to be off the wagon. Who is the ones not on the wagon then? Well, it's me, and I'm confirmed town to myself, hiplop, whose play has been town so far, Duplicity, whose play is even more town right now and... Packbat. Looking at the votecount and his desire to not be on the lynch wagon makes him scummy to me. Yesterday I also saw a connection between him and Pomegranate, but I can't really point out posts with that connection right now, so it's just a vague gut feeling fuelled by my belief that their word exchanges seems... fake. Yeah guys, I think I just found scum number 4 here.
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What's that you say? There's only three scum left? Oh yes, you're right. This brings up some interesting possibilities. I'm nearly sure that Packbat is scum, and Pomegranate is confirmed scum FMPOV, so it's only one of Lurconis/SD/Quilford that is scum. Considering this, I would say Lurconis, but I admit that this is just a vague gut feeling, and we have to keep an eye on SD and his gambit. I think I will for now regard Quilford and his PM time investigations as town. Also, I *think* that SD is town right now because a gambit like that would be pretty risky.

The scum is:

Pomegranate (Confirmed)
Packbat (90% sure)/hiplop (5% sure)/Duplicity (5% sure)
Lurconis (55% sure,)/SD (35% sure)/Quilford (8% sure)/Twistedspoon (2% sure)

Usually I think that Mafia shouldn't be broken down to numbers, but I'll make an exception here as this game has some quite special mechanics.

[Johhog]

Um, so ya, with my final conclusion it turns out that there only was

two

Mafia on the Maruchanwagon. I probably did count wrong somewhere.

[Johhog]

EBWOP: I get it now, Timeater didn't vote. Hm, with some translation of my post you should probably still be able to get what I mean. The point is, 2/3 of the active Mafia was on the Maruchanwagon at lynch. Packbat probably unvoted when he saw Timeater wouldn't appear to avoid having all Mafia members at the bandwagon at lynch.

[Johhog]

@ Johhog - You state that you have a scum-read on Quilford, if so then why is his 'odds' of being mafia 8%? I would actually love it if you could elaborate into your Lurc scum-read because it's one that I'm sharing but being unable to determine where my suspicion of him stems from.

Regarding Quilford I'm not really sure what I read him as. He is overall more town though and "scummy" probably wasn't the best word (I meant more like suspicious). Mostly it's because SD and Lurconis is scummier.

Regarding Lurconis I can't really tell, I use my gut a lot and don't really use evidence. I basically agree with a lot of his posts, but it seems, I don't really know how to put it, maybe not constructed but polished in some way. I wish I could answer you on this one. He was also quick to jump on the Maruchanwagon when it still looked like a quickwagon without any suspicions stemming from it. This is the scumread I'm not sure in however, it can still be SD or maybe even Quilford.

[Johhog]

Why?

[Johhog]

[...]
Pomegranate (Confirmed)
Packbat (90% sure)/hiplop (5% sure)/Duplicity (5% sure)
Lurconis (55% sure,)/SD (35% sure)/Quilford (8% sure)/Twistedspoon (2% sure)

Usually I think that Mafia shouldn't be broken down to numbers, but I'll make an exception here as this game has some quite special mechanics.

And what about the special mechaics of this game makes it especially and exceptionally prone to be broken down to numbers like that?

The large scum percentage and the consistent LyLo makes it easier to see people like "If this guy is scum that other guy isn't", thus enabling me to use numbers of likelihood.

[Johhog]

VOTE: Pomegranate

Not voting with Duplicity or Twistedspoon who are my top scum reads.

Is that post scummy on purpose or was it an accident?

[Johhog]

Answer my last question first.

[Johhog]

Pretty sure Duplicity's scum.

Why?

[Johhog]

It's fine, I was town (but I wasn't home and could write). My last reads still stand (ISO me), but I have to warn you for Quilford. He's hard to read and is flipping back and forth.

[Johhog]

And now I won't be on-line again for a couple of hours. Good luck everyone!

[Johhog]

WTF?

[Johhog]

It wasn't to you, don't worry. It's just that Duplicity was scum.

[Johhog]

Your play was equivalent to being a day vig and vigging someone in the first post of the game.

Which is also something I would do if ever given a dayvig role...

I think this tells us a bit about the playing strength of Maruchan.

[Johhog]

I know I'm a bit late, but could anyone please post the scum QT?