SMBM II: Defense of Yoshi's Island (Final! MVPs announced!)

[Isa]

VOTE: Sunset
Too many heads on hydras for me to be safe around them.

[Isa]

So much scum motivation I can't even see it
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid

[Isa]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Isa

So much scum motivation I can't even see it
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid

This looks like a vote that is deliberately vague so that it could equally be defended in retrospect as either a serious vote or a non-serious vote.

Can't it be...BOTH!? The grey area between an RVS vote and not an RVS vote...how I adore thee.

Disagreeing with DemonHybrid's answer to our votes.

HIPLOP
Y U NO TOWN CRED!?

[Isa]

Sheeping for emphasis etc. Also, why asking that question is scummy is something I'll never understand. Bleh.

PEdit: in reply to DHybrid

[Isa]

Hoppster, fine then, call it a serious vote, because I wanted the pressure that only comes from a vote to make DHybrid explain himself. I then added a mildly humorous reasoning because that's how I roll...which also made it BOTH sort of an RVS vote and a non-RVS vote. Hence my reply.

[Isa]

Nah, I'm not. I don't see the scumminess in my actions just because you've done so as scum.

[Isa]

Because I didn't really care about if it was a serious vote or not?

[Isa]

DemonHybrid, yes it'll be a long game: My nick is Isa and I'm not a female.

Longer reply coming soon

[Isa]

I don't think it's that anymore.. to me it's more the deflection and the fact she's apparently loathe to give any detail.. :/

I'll gladly give you details whenever you need them.

Nah, I'm not. I don't see the scumminess in my actions just because you've done so as scum.

This is such a Scum response.

Vote: Isa

You guys are lame.
VOTE: Sunset

This was a stupid random vote.

hnng
UNVOTE:
VOTE: VanillaCupcake
Ignoring a thread four pages into the day? Not cool, man.

This is an even more terrible reason to vote someone.

Isa's scum. Don't see DemonHybrid scum at all. Also don't get why Hoppster is the god of towniness for everyone. Vifam from past experiences is a massive VI but he's been pretty scummy so far.

That's your case on me? I am not impressed.
Very little has been said about Hoppster and what everyone has for a read on him. What makes you say that everyone believes he's that? Him also believing I am scum?
You giving Vifam flak for those RVS votes also sits odd with me, again, your case is weak.

I don't understand how the guy who started a wagon on your biggest scumread 5 pages in would become a null-read.

Seeing how most of his posting has been reasoning on Isascum, I can't see anyway you would have a null-read on him. If it were me I couldn't have helped but put Hoppster down on the town list.

What are your other reads, Diddin?

I said null-leaning town, nice misrep bro. The game's only been going for a few pages, it takes me longer than that to develop solid townreads.

DemonHybrid is leaning town, Isa is scum, you're leaning scum.

If you develop a solid scum read on the reasoning you gave earlier, then I can't believe developing town reads is that much harder...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: diddin

[Isa]

TIME TO CATCH UP

First day at university yesterday, I am STILL hella tired.

@LORD BOWSER: Ranmaru needs a visit from your son.

[Isa]

Post #164 seems to summarize what I've made and why it's scummy. Everyone who feels like I haven't addressed their reason for voting me, tell me what post and I'll reply.

Ok now my obligatory RVS is out of the way:

Isa

ISO #0: "Hydras scare me" Personally I find Hydras to be good for town and hate them as scum. Hydras are unpredictable because of the nature of the slot and scum hate unpredictable things.

ISO #1: The RVS is not a total waste. I find that scum are most likely to vote scum during the RVS. With that sidenote out of the way, I feel that this RV is not funny or sincere, just awkward.

ISO #2: Is called out on ISO #2 by Hoppster and Isa finds it necessary to defend, what should have been an RV in no need of defense.

ISO #3: Interesting, he sheeps the guy he just RVed in ISO #1

ISO #4: Wait, Isa just said that ISO #1 was a serious vote, but in ISO #2 it was a serious vote and a joke vote. Oh wait, now it's back to being a joke vote again. Flip floppy flip flopper.

ISO #5: "I don't see why I'm scummy just because I'm acting scummy"

ISO #6: "I don't care if it was a serious vote or not" But why did you feel you needed to defend it in ISO #2?

ISO #7: A rather civil reply to Demonhybrid.

ISO #8: Deflects onto Hopster and Diddin. Keep in mind Hopster was the first person to attack Isa. Then OMGUS votes on Diddin.

Conclusions: Isa is probably scum. If Isa flips scum I wouldn't be surprised if Demonhybrid is scum too. Judging by the over-reactions and deflections, if Isa flips scum, Diddin and Hopster are probably town.

VOTE: Isa

Count me in on this bandwagon.

ISO #0: RVS. Had this kinda of hydra in mind when I did the post...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra
ISO #1: That assumes that I am scum with DH. Spoiler: I am not. Also, even if you find it awkward, that's null.
ISO #2: I think it's good form to defend yourself when asked to. Why not?
ISO #3: What? No, my reply was to post #49, and I meant to say that Vifam sheeped for emphasis. In no way did I sheep DH.
ISO #4: Yeah, I said it was both in post 2, and I said it was both in post 4. It was a serious vote, made to put pressure on DH, and the reasoning I provided was meant to explain why I put the vote. So I did, in a little more humorous way than most votes are put.
ISO #5: Alright, (almost) everyone who's on my wagon and who has been on it: This seems to be the post that everyone has some kind of problem with. Hoppster had earlier said (#50) that he had did what I had done as scum once. That does not make my earlier post a scumtell in my book, which I stated. I've received a lot of votes with this post as the main motivation, and I am honestly curious as of why it is so scummy. What is it that makes it fishy and deflective? I'm not trying to steer attention to Hoppster (he's a townread to me), I'm just not seeing the case.
If it's the "Nah, I'm not."-part, that was aimed at "Isa is scum.", not "Looks like scum appeasing his attacker to me" (which I dunno, I suppose I was. I honestly didn't care how my vote was perceived).
ISO #6: Because I think it's good form to defend yourself when questioned.
ISO #7: Null
ISO #8: Everyone who said that this was an OMGUS vote needs to look it up. I think I provided sufficient reason to move my vote.
Hoppster is, again, a townread for me. He bothered forming a case. Look for the reasoning diddin provided though, and I see nothing.

Now, time to read up on the projectmatt/Riceballthingy cases.

[Isa]

Conclusion from reread:

Projectmatt is town. Riceballtail is probably scum. diddin is also scum.

In a sudden hurry due to procrastination and surströmmingsskiva (one half of Sunset hydra will know). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming Woop.

[Isa]

I wanna join the RBT wagon. I'm a bit reluctant to putting my vote on her now though because she's at L-2, and should I put her at L-1, I'm afraid someone will quicklynch by accident (or willingly). It has happened way too many times for me recently.

So with that said,

HoS: RBT

[Isa]

See, manho, that's why I didn't want to vote. Putting her at L-1 would result in either a hammer (do you think stormer checked the votes before he put his vote down? I doubt it) or as in this case, an immediate unvote, resulting in nothing.

I support the claim request.

[Isa]

A LOT of people have done exactly that, I feel. Stormer sticks out, then we have some who haven't posted since RVS (chkflip, LastClone), and also TheJakalope. Some only recently contributed as well (celebloki).

[Isa]

That's L-3, so I'll put the pressure back on.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Riceballtail

[Isa]

@Mod: Sunset has two votes put out.

[Isa]

EBWOP: As does Ranmaru

[Isa]

Final correction...I am at L-10, not L-9, unless diddin our WrathChild has their vote double up in value.

[Isa]

So you're willing to be lynched because you think it's cool to be indifferent towards your lynch?

[Isa]

Projectmatt, point me to what I've done that's super scummy, then read #274 and tell me if I have something to clarify.

[Isa]

Cuz if that's is your only town case for him you better find a new reason and quick.

VOTE: RBT

My case was not meta. I mentioned his meta, but the heart of it was that this wagon started when Isa was at L-4 and every player I read as scummy jumped on and jumped on fast. It's a scum-driven wagon for sure. It was to save Isa, who is scum. My vote was supposed to be on Vifam for poitlessly defending players I think are scummy, but Vifam disappeared.

VOTE: Isa

So you say that the wagon is bad not because RBT doesn't act scummy, but because you are stuck into the mindset that I am scum and everything that relates to what I do is scummy?

Everyone who says that the RBT wagon is driven by scum motivate why you think so and come up with another defense for RBT.

[Isa]

Yeah, there seems to be merit in the Jakalope wagon. IDK why he thought a lot of "null" stuff was going on at the start, and then he puts me as town and diddin as scum. The main action around me happened during the time he said that the null stuff was happening, same goes for diddin.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheJakalope
RBT is now at L-2.
This is to prevent a RBT lynch before we're truly done with the day (no diddin this is not a scumtell). I'm still supporting the RBT wagon though.

[Isa]

What? In the latest votecount Vifam is included.

"Riceballtail [L-4] DemonHybrid, Parabollocks, Vifam, David Xanatos, Xeras, stormer, Isa, TheJakalope"

[Isa]

And yeah, manho voted 22 posts after that. So I think that's L-1 still.

[Isa]

VOTE: diddin

Is terrible cases what you're best at? All game you've thrown horrible cases around you, and the recent one against Vifam, for what she said more than a WEEK ago, half a thread ago, is no different.

[Isa]

Guys

diddin needs more votes

He misreps, refuses to build cases and sheeps to the Nth degree, and on day 1, he said "Bunny is just being Bunny" in a way that suggests that he believes her to be town (#309) and now he has made another quick sheep, throwing his old implied read away and is voting Bunny.

SO DO IT

[Isa]

Reason being?

[Isa]

diddin is still not scum.

Reason being?

his actions are not that scummy. at least i've done that before as town. BL is much more scummy than diddin.

Hey, this seems familiar...remember when Hoppster and Ranmaru said the same thing about my actions? "I've done that as scum so it's a scumtell." "I've done it as town so it's a null tell!" It's still a worthless argument.

But then tell me, what's not scummy about first dismissing the Bunny wagon and then jumping on it without acknowledging your previous read? Or sheeping ALL the cases you believe have merit without any fresh input? And what about his misreps? Are they pro-town behavior?

[Isa]

I hope you solve everything, DH. Best of luck.

manho, that's one major turnaround. What did you base your townread on?

[Isa]

Mod: Xeras and Parabollocks needs to be prodded

Already did that a day or two ago. They're probably getting replaced.

[Isa]

Don't like Bunnylover, probScum, but Jakalope seems worse to me.

VOTE: Jaka

Analysis when my stomach stops churning.

How's that analysis coming along?

[Isa]

I support the wagon on Jakalope (though I'm doubtful if it'll result in something) but come on folks, DIDDIN NEEDS VOTES.

manho, show me your support for lynching this scum. The rest of you as well.

[Isa]

I just don't have much to add right now. :\

Stance on diddin as scum?

[Isa]

JAKALOPE IS NOW AT L-1.

Seeing as multiple persons have stated their willingness to vote Jakalope, I suppose a claim is in order.

[Isa]

So Baby Bowser is probably in this game, as well as Baby Mario, Baby Luigi and Baby Peach? I'm fairly sure that Baby Bowser is the anti-town one (perhaps there's another anti-town baby, like Baby Wario, though Baby Bowser makes more sense given the mod and that Baby Bowser is more famous), and Baby Mario and Baby Luigi seems very reasonable. Baby Peach is probably in here as well, having only 3 babies and an investigative role for each of them seems overkill.

I believe the claim.

[Isa]

People. I want to know how this affects your reads on diddin and Sunset, due to their inclusion on Jakalope's "null" list. Some have said that they believe especially diddin to be scum due to this, but I'm mainly looking at Hoppster here..

My read on both are unchanged - diddin is still scum and Sunset is null.

[Isa]

Guys

diddin needs more votes

He misreps, refuses to build cases and sheeps to the Nth degree, and on day 1, he said "Bunny is just being Bunny" in a way that suggests that he believes her to be town (#309) and now he has made another quick sheep, throwing his old implied read away and is voting Bunny.

SO DO IT

[Isa]

Bunny, are you claiming Baby?

[Isa]

@Mod: Please get a back-up mod if you risk to be away for as long as a week. Also, take care.

[Isa]

I want BL to claim what baby she is. No need for the whole role, just the name of her character. If she's scum, I believe she'll have a really hard time fakeclaiming a baby name, because there only exists ever-so-many of them. If she's town...well then there's no problem, I think. We already know she's a baby by now. I doubt the Mafia has some kind of specific "Anti-Mario" ability or something like that. If scum possess an anti-baby ability in general, well she has already claimed baby, so they gain nothing from that.

[Isa]

Good catch. Baby Peach then, I'm going to assume.

[Isa]

I read up and the following babies are in Yoshi's Island + DS:

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Wario
Peach
DK

Anyone claiming a baby character not from this list is probably lying, unless someone can show me that another baby is in the series.

[Isa]

I really don't like the wagon on either chkflip or WLC. If you want my support for either, you'll have to convince me pretty hard.

Chk's last posts was terribad, sure. Bad =/= Scum though.

[Isa]

#854 is a good post. My vote remains on diddin though, but I am slightly more supportive of the chkflip wagon now.

[Isa]

Manho obviously softclaimed Yoshi due to the fullclaim of Chkflip, yes. One does not change his read that fast without a good reason.

[Isa]

Unless someone counterclaims brown Yoshi, WLC isn't to be lynched today. I believe his claim.

diddin needs votes. NOW.

[Isa]

Chkflip has claimed orange Yoshi. We are NOT lynching him, or anyone else who claims Yoshi, at this point, unless they are counterclaimed.

Everyone, diddin is the leading wagon who has yet to claim - VOTE HIM.

Bunnylover softclaimed Baby Peach and I am not sure what to think of that, and if I'd support that wagon. Nevertheless, I think it'll be hard to get her to hang at this point...so again, vote diddin

[Isa]

Details?

I am ready to believe you, so don't blow it.

[Isa]

Diddin, did you start day 1 with a one-shot day vig power or not?

Important question.

[Isa]

Chkflip claimed to increase activity (?), WLC and diddin claimed under pressure, I have no idea why DemonHybrid claimed.

[Isa]

What we need know is more information about diddin and his claim. His play has been subpar but he can help himself into a safe position right now. I am ready to call him confirmed town if he gives the answer I am hoping for.

There's no way that WLC is anything but town, so we're in agreement on that, DH. Even hoppster should be able to see it soon enough.

[Isa]

Hiplop, what makes you think he had his role since day 1 when no other Yoshi so far has been informed of his ability from the start? We need a clearer explanation from diddin before we clear him completely, which you've seemingly done.

[Isa]

Meh. If we can rally the Xeras lynch swiftly I'm for it.

Manho, I am also incredibly suspicious of diddin's claim of having his powers since day 1. I thought it'd relate to the button push that started this day. I'd like him to vig stormer, because he acted suspicious before disappearing (and it doesn't look like we're getting replacements any time soon). It'd be a decent way of proving his claim.

[Isa]

Vote: Deadline Extension

I want to lynch Xeras. However, knowing that this is a bastard game and that diddin has claimed that he's
1. a Yoshi
2. a Dayvig who started with his powers on day 1
3. no other claimed Yoshis mentions any power from the start
something clearly doesn't add up.
The play of either hasn't been satisfying. I am not sure what I think about the diddin wagon being so huge today, why did people suddenly realize that it was a good one when nothing had really happened since I started to push it? DH, when did YOU realize that diddin played a scummy game?

hiplop needs to improve his play badly. If you vote manho, vote hiplop instead because he has provided even less content.

Ah whatever. Because it's a bastard mod, I believe that Light Blue Yoshi was given as a safe fake claim, and dayvig was his way of "proving" himself town-aligned. He could be a Piranha plant or something.

VOTE: diddin

[Isa]

Projectmatt and Sunset (and everyone else), VOTE FOR THE EXTENSION.

Xeras, you haven't really contributed to the game, so add your thoughts on why diddin is not scum (and hopefully a few other things) and you'll be a good boy.

[Isa]

The wagon continues because it's entirely possible that diddin is a scum with a dayvig power, remember that this is a bastard mod game. Also, it's very odd that he had his power since day 1 as a Yoshi, when nobody else has claimed to have that power. It was oneshot as well, so should he be telling the truth and he actually is a Yoshi...at least we're not lynching a potential power role, what with these talks about unknown abilities.

[Isa]

Also, chkflip, why the unvote?

[Isa]

Great. 15 (well 16 when celebloki comes back) players, 10 to lynch. This won't work at all unless we actually GET those replacements.

Hoppster, I have hoped for a diddin lynch since early day 1. He has acted scummy the game through. OBVIOUSLY, I believe that he is still scummy, and I think that him possessing a dayvig action in a bastard mod game does not make him a confirmed townie at all, which is what it'd require for me to stop pushing his lynch at this point.

[Isa]

Meh. I don't think he's scum, but we might not lynch if we don't lynch him.

VOTE: diddin

You vote someone you don't think is scum?

Okay scum. Good to know your opinion.

Okay, can you explain why you think Diddin is town?

I don't. There was a misconception with the flavor, but I've since casted that aside and see many reasons to vote diddin.

Now you DO think he's scum, because of...something addressed prior to your statement of him not being scum?

doesnotcompute

[Isa]

Yeah, voting someone you believe(d) to be town is a problem.

[Isa]

So people can't change reads?

LOL

>_>'

#1027. That's all.

[Isa]

Xeras, why are you always asking these odd questions that aren't really helping us progress?

[Isa]

He's at L-2 or L-3, but not lynched.

We need a votecount.

[Isa]

Hoppster 2011-09-19 15:04:05 2 days 2 hours 35
projectmatt 2011-09-19 14:41:06 2 days 3 hours 48
Kcdaspot 2011-09-19 12:10:15 2 days 5 hours 99
TheJakalope 2011-09-19 09:10:15 2 days 8 hours 34
David Xanatos 2011-09-18 22:19:34 2 days 19 hours 45
Vifam 2011-09-18 17:50:19 3 days 0 hours 101
diddin 2011-09-18 17:46:15 3 days 0 hours 44

'SUP.

[Isa]

So why weren't the Red and Green buttons destroyed at the end of day 1/night 1 and what the hell is up with the Yellow button?

Anyway, hoppster flipping town shouldn't surprise anyone, and I am glad that we now know for sure that scum are given fake claims.
manho is confirmed town to me for helping me push the diddin wagon even when I was the only one at it and there were other wagons available.

Sunset (also Xeras partly), what I remember from your day 2 was that you refused to jump the diddin wagon. Why?

[Isa]

I retract that...manho is null, jumped off the wagon after the claim.

Vifam and DemonHybrid are all kinds of town though

[Isa]

Yeah, and that's why I don't think you should vote Manho, because he helped push the diddin wagon.

Sunset is a good vote though, I agree.

VOTE: Sunset

PEdit: Good.

[Isa]

Kcda, after DH pushed the diddin wagon so hard after the deadline extension, you still refuse to believe he is town? Why so?

Jakalope, when you investigated Sunset, what was your result?

[Isa]

I'd like to know the results of any and all investigations too, ESPECIALLY if they were on me.

What?

[Isa]

Enough, Vifam...

[Isa]

David Xanatos is also scummy btw

[Isa]

oh ok, I was shot last night. COME AT ME MAFIASO.

Johhog would be the only one to shoot me out of this list.

How do you know you were shot?

[Isa]

That's it, WLC? Nothing about how he was supportive of the diddin wagon all along strikes you as townie?

[Isa]

Up until the wagon on him during day 2 only me and Vifam put serious votes on him >_> You need something more.

[Isa]

I expressed that opinion yesterday. I still believe that you're a decent lynch due to your low involvement in the game and complete lack of cases whatsoever, but you're not high on my priority list.

[Isa]

The above reminds me. Why is WLC left unnoticed today? We know that scum are given fake claims, and it's VERY likely to assume they got more than one Yoshi fake claim. He was also never on the diddin wagon, and until he voted Xeras veeery late in day 2, without any reasoning given other than "Looking back at Xeras' play, it seems a bit swingy and erratic", he had only had serious votes on Jakalope (who I'd like to think is conf.town) and DemonHybrid (who's a VERY strong town read of mine).

The only thing holding me back is that he said the mod told him Brown was an unusual Yoshi colour...but that's a minor thing.

Keeping my vote on Sunset, but WLC is a very good option for those who doesn't want to vote Sunset. DH, if your reason for WLC as town is not only "he's an unusual color", feel free to tell me why you have a townread on him.

[Isa]

diddin, and the ones who weren't on his wagon yesterday when he died and flipped scum.

[Isa]

I dunno. The scum we're looking for today is the scum that wasn't on the wagon, and there's quite a few possible in that category. But feel free to pick apart the wagon if you want to, I am more interested in the ones who tried to push the other wagon at the moment.

[Isa]

WHAT

ProjectMatt is NOT scum.

Warriormode, it makes sense if you're on the scumteam and got commandeered to do something, and Vifam is a townread of mine. Not voting Vifam.

[Isa]

>___>

ProjectMatt is at L-3 if I counted right now.

[Isa]

No, that roleblock (unless there's multiple) was placed on Jaka. Warrior dies overnight.

Claim, Warrior.

[Isa]

We're not lynching Warrior or Vifam today. If Vifam tells the truth Warrior dies tonight, so no need to lynch Warrior. If Vifam lies, we'll find it out tomorrow.

[Isa]

Look guys, if your case on ProjectMatt is entirely based on his relation with Sunset, vote Sunset instead >_>

[Isa]

A game with only Yoshis and babies seems very unlikely, given that that'd be around 18 roles, give or take a few, and there's only so many colors and babies to choose from.

[Isa]

A game with only Yoshis and babies seems very unlikely, given that that'd be around 18 roles, give or take a few, and there's only so many colors and babies to choose from.

I promise you that there's a maximum of 10 different colors of Yoshi, and there's not 8 town-aligned babies in the Yoshi games.

[Isa]

Can someone please summarize in a few easy points why they're voting ProjectMatt, like he asks you people to.

[Isa]

Then WHAT happened? Put it down in one post, not fifteen.

[Isa]

EBWOP: I mean, what's your case, I don't want you to explain that a wagon occurred >_>

[Isa]

Vifam, while you shouldn't quote the role PM exactly, I want you to tell as detailed as you can what your role does and what it does not.

[Isa]

Then we know that he's not scum, making our lives easier.

I believe Vifam much more than I believe Warriormode.

[Isa]

WARRIOR SHOULD CLAIM. End of story.

Vifam, is your ability one-shot?

[Isa]

I am asking because your ability seems awfully overpowered if it's not.

[Isa]

Yeah, I was thinking of some kind of multi-shot Bomb for some reason. Nevermind.

[Isa]

Reasons for Kcdascum and WLCtown?

[Isa]

Prodded.

Still stand by Sunset/WLC/David Xanatos scum

[Isa]

You refused to join the diddin wagon and has lurked through the game, promising analyses that never came.

[Isa]

Then vote manho at least. Projectmatt will flip town if you don't do anything.

[Isa]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: David Xanatos

[Isa]

Let's get this going.

[Isa]

FOR WHAT REASON.

[Isa]

Take care.

[Isa]

GIVE CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF WHY PROJECTMATT IS SCUM. LAY IT OUT WITH QUOTES. OTHERWISE, DON'T VOTE HIM.

[Isa]

iamsomadrightnow.

[Isa]

Why are you confirmed town...

[Isa]

Warriormode, needs more comment on everything else

[Isa]

We can't check truths or lies. Word stand against word.

Tell me your reads.

[Isa]

WARRIORMODE. READS. NOW.

[Isa]

WARRIORMODE. READS. NOW.

Alright I gave you my reads, so let me ask you something...

Why didn't you ask for Vifam's reads? I don't see his reads anywhere today...

See where I'm getting at?

Because if you look over the course of the game, Vifam has given reads on more than one person, which you had not (the only exception being David Xanatos) up until that post. You had tunneled on Vifam for the entire game, refusing to give reads or even participate in anything not directly involving you.

[Isa]

I want a vote count. The day is almost over and we've only had one this entire day.

[Isa]

This is the worst lynch I've ever encountered.

[Isa]

You had no logic flaws at all in your arguments. You also helped killing off diddin.

[Isa]

Because of your lack of interaction with Sunset, apparently, which is LOL.

[Isa]

EVERYONE ON THE PROJECTMATT WAGON, MOTIVATE.

[Isa]

btw I'll be low on content until Friday. Also V/LA Friday through Sunday. The mod knows.

[Isa]

My main issue with this is that his lies, if they are lies, were unprovoked and have little scum motivation.

IDK. No way that I am voting him yet though.

Still want people to explain their reasons for stupidlynching Projectmatt.

[Isa]

My main issue with this is that his lies, if they are lies, were unprovoked and have little scum motivation.

IDK. No way that I am voting him yet though.

Still want people to explain their reasons for stupidlynching Projectmatt.

What do you mean "if"?
he definitely lied.
Explain to me how this isn't scum motivated?

Most probably yes. He was a biiiig town read of mine prior to today so naturally I am a bit torn.

[Isa]

WMode - read my iso. Sunset, David Xanatos, WLC. Yesterday, you as well. Today...well, I see no way that Vifam won't get lynched, and I'll base my read on you upon that. You may be immune to night kills, I don't know.

And everyone on the PM wagon in general has big signs on their backs that says "I MADE THE SCUMDRIVEN WAGON POSSIBLE WITHOUT A CASE, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT".

[Isa]

Vifam needs replacement...

>_______>

And about Xeras. He loves quicklynches, so at least we got his vote down on the wagon.

SOMEONE UNVOTE

[Isa]

Back from V/LA.

Sheeping is a null tell. Just saying.

lolBunnyLover not knowing what the diddin lynch was about.

Xeras is town.

Lynch DX or Sunset today.

VOTE: Sunset

Someone check for breadcrumbs Jaka has possibly made D4 plz?

[Isa]

Vote on Sunset stands.

Wagon, rise!

[Isa]

Not even a claim?

[Isa]

Yup, lynch hiplop tomorrow now please.

I was a RB btw.

So you roleblocked Jakalope N3..and yet, by day 4 he had a QT with BunnyLover?

Lies lies lies.

[Isa]

Note to self - White Yoshi softclaimed by hiplop.

Relevant later on if nothing else

[Isa]

Whoops.

[Isa]

VOTE: David Xanatos

[Isa]

These are our possible lynches the future days: David Xanatos, BunnyLover, implosion, Kcdaspot. I'm not convinced on BunnyLover at this point, but I think the other three are all safe votes.

Now is the time when we lynch David Xanatos though.

[Isa]

1. warriormode
2. hiplop
4. Kcdapot
6. David Xanatos
8. manho
9. implosion
12. WeyounsLastClone
15. Xeras
16. Bunnylover
18. Isa
21. Celebloki

Me, Xeras, hiplop, warriormode, manho are all town. I am inclined to believe WLC is town. BunnyLover needs to full claim sooner or later, I think.

Regardless, that only leaves a lynch pool of Celebloki, and the four I mentioned in my previous post.

[Isa]

I pushed the Diddin wagon from day 1 until he was lynched at day 2. I've been early on every scum wagon and stayed off our dayvig lynch. Do I need to motivate why I am town?

Xeras is town despite horrible play...nevermind, I read his ISO and now I want a full claim.

Xeras, make a full claim. You claimed Shy Guy earlier, but also that your ability is dependent on a button. Over the course of the game, the following buttons have been pushed, in no particular order: Blue, Orange, Yellow, White, Brown. The Pink, Black and Purple button have been destroyed, all in relation to Yoshi kills. That's a hell of a lot of buttons. What button are you waiting for?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xeras

[Isa]

EBWOP: The Light Blue button has also been destroyed.

[Isa]

Is your role dependent on the button or not?

[Isa]

Alright. Letting you go for now. I'll be back tomorrow with more questions.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: David Xanatos

[Isa]

I pushed the Diddin wagon from day 1 until he was lynched at day 2. I've been early on every scum wagon and stayed off our dayvig lynch. Do I need to motivate why I am town?

[Isa]

The buttons relate to the Yoshis. Note how the Orange button just got destroyed when the Orange Yoshi died.

What bothers me is that the red button was not destroyed day 2. It makes sense that the green button was not destroyed day 1 if Xeras claim is true.

[Isa]

Ohhai Kcdaspot, who's probably Kcdascum.

Implosion, you're on my list of safe lynches - this is your golden chance. Do you have a power relating to the red button (or any other button), and did you have it before day 2? You don't have to make a full claim.

Also, WLC, inform us of your power which you MUST have gained and how you've used it.
The Blue/Yellow Yoshis should NOT colorclaim under any circumstances this day. I want them to make a Yoshi claim though, so that we know which ones we should not lynch.

My list of safe lynches is slowly boiling down to Kcdaspot and David Xanatos with a slight touch of Bunnylover. I still want that full claim though.

Hiplop, when were you informed of your ability and when were you first able to use it?

I am not a Yoshi. I am the most powerful town role in this game and I can prove it if needed...which is why I am ignoring Kcdaspot. I'm just going to say that yes I was off the Vifam lynch, but I was on Diddin the DAYVIG (are you seriously calling that a weak role), and Sunset. I was jumping on diddin one day before the lynch even looked close to possible, and Sunset two days before HIS lynch. Only hiplop and DH were on him prior to me.

And yeah, just to reinforce: Bunnylover, FULL CLAIM.

[Isa]

I am fishing because I have setup information that I will share later this day. This is why all the remaining Yoshis shall make a Yoshi claim now...details later.

[Isa]

Manho, you're a Yoshi, do not say ANYTHING that can reveal what color you are.

The remaining Yoshi(s) shall claim just like manho did.

[Isa]

WLC, consider that there's roughly 10 Yoshis in this game if the button color theory holds true. Do you think it is unreasonable with two Shy Guys, who commonly appears in groups? (at least they do in SSBM - I haven't played any game with Yoshi as the main character) Point is, multiple Shy Guys are certainly not unheard of.

[Isa]

Hiplop, how does this match with your description of your ability?

I'm an unusual colored Brown Yoshi. I seem to have an action, but I've not been told what it does yet.

While we know that scum have been given fakeclaims, I am pretty sure they weren't given information about the ability said Yoshi had. Case in point: The nature of the fake claim by Diddin.

[Isa]

Also mind that WLC claimed way before diddin.

[Isa]

If they learned it, why did Diddin fail as brutally as he did? He could have just learned from his scumbuddy. Surely they must have shared information about their fakeclaims to each other?

[Isa]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3433932 This is the first mentioning of a claimed Yoshi. WLC makes his post twelve posts later. There has been mumbling about potential abilities, but no details were given - WLC MUST be town.

Everyone get off the WLC wagon and get back to voting David Xanatos or Kcdaspot.

[Isa]

Awesome, hiplop.

Those voting Kcda, switch to this wagon. Kcda is the lynch of tomorrow however, and that should bring us the game.

[Isa]

Mod: Votecount please. It's almost been a month since we had one...

Kcda, I don't need any case when you present it on yourself so neatly. You were off all the scumhunting wagons and you've admitted it. What makes you town?

[Isa]

It's fine for today. We still have plenty of mislynches if he turns out not to be scum...and regardless, David X is the lynch for today. More focus on Kcda will be put tomorrow.

[Isa]

Sure it's not, but David X is not a mislynch.

Hiplop, so you believe that David X is scum, and that I'd bus him...and diddin...and Sunset? Do you believe that my vote would ONLY be on scum at the end of the day if I was scum?

notsureifserious.

[Isa]

Yay replacement.

Thing is, the way I see it, it wasn't even needed.

Here's the deal. Me, Hiplop, Warriormode, manho and WLC are super confirmed town for various reasons. Implosion and Xeras are probably town as well because if they're Mafia, we can check it easily. This leaves a lynch pool of David Xanatos, Kcdaspot, Bunnylover and BBmolla. We lynch these in the order I just mentioned (or BBmolla before Bunnylover, but it hardly matters, I think, since scum is most probably David Xanatos/Kcdaspot) and we win through basic PoE. If it somehow turns out that NONE of these are scum (???) then Implosion and Xeras are. Thing is however, we can probably assume that we had to deal with 5 or 6 scum rather than 4, so if it turns out that David Xanatos, Kcdaspot AND Bunnylover were all mislynches, then we go for Xeras/Implosion.

Anyone in the pool of hiplop, warriormode, manho and WLC opposed to this idea?

[Isa]

There's a possibility, but I am doubtful. If it's so, I think it's implosion due to his claim being the latter of the two.

Regardless, it's a very small chance.

[Isa]

Well, I'd like to know what you've read so far. Even though I want David Xanatos lynched and you joining aboard would help I'd still like your reads.

Main events of the game: Day 2 and 3 wagons, where day 2 ended in our first scumlynch and day 3 in our latest town lynch - a wagon formed under ridiculous circumstances. Day 4 and 5 went pretty much on by itself.

[Isa]

General Rule of Buttons: Whenever a Yoshi dies, the matching button is destroyed.

If you are a Yoshi, claim now please, by the way. No need to claim color, just a Yoshi or not Yoshi claim is fine.

[Isa]

I highly doubt it matters.

But hey, Kcda, thoughts on the L-1 wagon on David X?

[Isa]

you're just trolling.

[Isa]

Lookie lookie guys, we KNOW that not all scum were given fake claims. When diddin died, the Light Blue button got destroyed. Note that that did not happen when Vifam and Sunset died - no button got destroyed because they had no fake claim.

[Isa]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3433944

manho is btw town since this post.

[Isa]

It's all good.

Now someone hammer David X.

[Isa]

Well sure, but I find it kinda unlikely that Vifam would go out with his real role and Sunset would refuse to claim anything if they both had fake claims.

Also, your theory, while possible, sounds more or less far-fetched. You do realize it hits on you as well seeing as you claimed Shy Guy as well?
Even so, both of you are low on the list of prioritized targets.

[Isa]

I'm chain chomp, a simple islander. And if you're wondering, the reason I've been basically gone is that I've recently acquired a girlfriend, and that drains a lot of time. *cough*

So yeah. >.>

Yeah this completely doesn't sit well with me. A chain chomp, alright. What's your ability then? You saying "simple" islander doesn't sit well with me...ESPECIALLY considering that Chain Chomps are the enemies of Mario. http://www.mariowiki.com/Chain_Chomp#Yoshi_series

You just claimed scum.

It's hammer time!

[Isa]

ALL HAIL LORD BOWSER

Dead QT?

[Isa]

i am going to claim my MVP trophy now

*COUGH*

Yeah you're totally not deserving of that. Neither am I, but you're absolutely not. You found Sunscum and approved of a few scum lynches, but that's not MVP worthy at all, especially in combination with the mislynches you were about to get going, and the ones you GOT going.

Vifam in combination with Warriormode is the one deserving of the MVP award if anything. Warriormode wouldn't have made it to the endgame unless Vifam didn't pull this gambit. The rest of the scumteam played like crap - diddin, Sunset and David X were all easily caught. Vifam was a townread of mine so I was troubled with that, but other than that I think I did great this game.

[Isa]

Eeeey, I did what I could.

Overall though, the players that knew what they were doing were killed off early by scum. The VI's that wouldn't defend themselves were left alive (Bunnylover springs to mind).

I wish Jakalope had targeted me. That way, I would be able to get my information out through a new medium that wouldn't reveal me.

[Isa]

Town MVP:

Town started to start sinking a bit a few days after he died. If he'd have lived, then the game would probably have ended differently. I'm giving it to

DemonHybrid/Matias

Not going to argue with this; DH was really useful.

The projectmatt lynch though...

[Isa]

I'm not really mad about the ending - Vifam and warriormode set this up nicely for warriormode, and I'd never suspect it as long as I'd be alive.

Overall, the game was an enjoyable cruise from day 2 and onward, with everyone scum making themselves more or less obvious (the projectmatt lynch though...) one way or another. I must complain though about the lack of votecounts for an entire MONTH. The setup was fun for me, but I don't know if the Yoshis/babies agree. Overall, I think I'd play in SMBMIII, as long as votecounts were done more frequently.
Honestly, mod, what happened there?

[Isa]

I will never, never, never understand your lynch.

[Isa]

PINK LEMONADE IN THE SCUM QT

[Isa]

I love reading scum QT's, it was nice that Warriormode kept a diary.

IMO, you shouldn't have killed WrathChild N1 if you wanted a mislynch on me. Hoppster had started to let go, but WrathChild was still set on getting me lynched. I felt better when I saw that he was killed, because I knew that was one person not targeting me.

[Isa]

Now you're just unfair. diddin obviously fakeclaimed Light Blue Yoshi as well, and we got him good early on.

I was pretty set on scum only having fakeclaims for Light Blue/(???) Yoshi. I was doubtful that scum would have more than one Yoshi fakeclaim, but absolutely not more than two, but I was still inclined to believe that once scum was killed off one by one, all Yoshis would be town. Too bad.

[Isa]

I actually kinda figured because they were both last on my list of colors. It seemed odd, having popular colors like Green and Red at the start, then Blue being second to last.