SMBM II: Defense of Yoshi's Island (Final! MVPs announced!)

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Bunnylover

No bunnies on Yoshi's Island.

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That is,

Vote: Bunnylover

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Got prodded, sorry for not posting earlier. Didn't know it'd go this quick (16 pages in three days, really).

The wagon on RBT has grown extremely quick in my opinion. His OMGUS on DH was a bit awkward, but okay.
At this point I find DH the most suspicious. It seems he takes things that are kinda null-tell, and tries to make a bit of a scum-thing out of it. First with Vifam, then with RBT.

Unvote. Vote: DemonHybrid.

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Vifam I MIGHT buy. Isa is agreeable. DH you're not touchin.

Why not PM if he's so scummy?

Why not DH? He's not overly town in my book, just because he's taunting RBT.

@mod, I unvoted BL and voted DH in post 384

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Unvote. Vote: TheJakalope.

Want some proof he's up to date and keeping his promise of more content (I know I haven't done much either, but I'm didn't make a big empty promise), but in the meantime just jumping on the biggest wagon without additional reason.

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I'm not excusing RBT because of meta, I'm saying theres no point in ending the day so fast. Only scum and trigger happy PRs want the day to end fast so they get to do fun shit. We need to exercise our voice and our vote during the daylight hours people. I will happily pile on and lynch RBT after we've used some of our time. Who knows, RBT will probably dig his hole deeper and become even more obvious, if thats even possible.

On the one hand I agree more discussion is good, but on the other if you really think he's scum, I don't see reason to prolong him influencing town. Still, I'm not seeing him as scum, so that point is kinda moot.

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did RBT get 'be lynched day 1' in the role mail or something?

Do you really feel it's RBT' behavior that drove him to L-1, or people pushing him?

I'm hesitantly ready to hammer right now. I'm just gun shy because I recently hammered other VI mislynches in recent games . I need need more on my record.

The rest of your post is well-built, but statements like this are scummy like hell.

Mod: Is there the possibility for Jesters in this game?

I refuse to run a game with a Jester in it, so no.

I'm quite happy you asked, in that sense that it's great to know there aren't jesters in the game. It's the fact you ask questions about Jesters I don't like. And I think it's kinda ridiculous asking for RBT replacement. Either you think he's scum, and you vote for him because of that, but with some of your comments it feels you just think he is lazy/bad town or something.

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I don't like how DH is now turning BL in some sort of scapegoat, while I feel he was the driving force Day1, and seems he's taken over now today, and not getting any problems with it.

Vote: DemonHydrid.

Vifam is coming in as a close second,

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That's the second time you've tunneled on me completely randomly.

I never said Bunnylover was the driving force of the wagon. Not once, not ever. I said that Bunnylover's tiptoeing around the wagon and hopping on when the lynch was sanctioned by everyone is suspect.

You try two accusations which actually contradict each other. How can you tunnel randomly? Anyway, it's certainly not random, and, while I think you are the most scummy, I'm not tunneling. You have to agree you were an important part in the discussions with RBT day 1. This day, you again start with an air that you know everything and you exactly know what would be best for town.

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Why are you sure? Why will you not be able to vote me? Come on now, give me something.

I won't be able to lynch you.

why?

C9++.

in short i can't read you, I never will be able to, even when you're scum and i have a good case you'll just skate on by everyone's radar, therefore in any scenario you win.

Well, if you don't vote you'll never lynch anyone.

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Am I really the only one who finds DH suspicious?

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Okay, rereading the thread, DH kinda had some reasons to dislike RBT's play. Still don't like how in the end he wanted RBT to replace out, and also not how day 2 with an utmost certainty went after BL, but still. My vote on him is wasted anyway at this point.

Unvote.

I didn't like TheJakalope's play day 1, promising content, not giving any, and then jumping on RBT's wagon with much additional reason, and day 2 hasn't improved much.

Vote: TheJakalope.

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DH, you're just great. Voting me once I've moved my vote off of you to make sure it doesn't look like OMGUS?

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meta is terrible.

if jak flips scum, DH comes under scrutiny.

I'll be L-1, if no objections.

This is a bad post.

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meta is terrible.

if jak flips scum, DH comes under scrutiny.

I'll be L-1, if no objections.

This is a bad post.

Would anyone else like to join the WLC wagon? Now with 80% Chance of lynching SCUM!

That you don't see Kcda's post as scummy seems strange to me. What town reason is there to ask if their are any objections to your L-1 vote?
Also, while I agree I could've post more, the other argument that I just switch between you and DH is strange to me as well. You're two of my biggest scumsuspects, and would like to see either of you lynched. Since DH doesn't seem a viable lynch today, I think it's only logical to go for a Jakalope lynch today. If my point of views would differ greatly from day 1 to day 2, you could have a case, but now it feels you're just grasping.

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I want BL to claim what baby she is. No need for the whole role, just the name of her character. If she's scum, I believe she'll have a really hard time fakeclaiming a baby name, because there only exists ever-so-many of them. If she's town...well then there's no problem, I think. We already know she's a baby by now. I doubt the Mafia has some kind of specific "Anti-Mario" ability or something like that. If scum possess an anti-baby ability in general, well she has already claimed baby, so they gain nothing from that.

I think she already softclaimed by mentioning an umbrella.
And if there are baby's, I'm not sure if there are good baby's and bad baby's. I could see all baby's as invaders.
But if that's the case, the stork's dropping the baby's would be curious as town as well. At this point I still don't trust Jakalope really.

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Because he's been taking potshots at

a random player on the playerlist

me

and voting Jaka when it was most opportune. Twice.

Fixed that for you.

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WLC today, and chkflip tomorrow. Looking good.

It's posts like these that should make people think twice believing you.
This day isn't half over, and you're trying to set-up tomorrow. All without any good reason.

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Manho obviously softclaimed Yoshi due to the fullclaim of Chkflip, yes. One does not change his read that fast without a good reason.

So now you're softclaiming Yoshi too?

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Sold. I asked for a claim, he ignored.

VOTE: WeyounsLastClone

Hadn't seen it was my claim you were looking for.

Since we're only at 3 days and a bit from deadline, I guess I don't have much choice.
I'm an unusual colored Brown Yoshi. I seem to have an action, but I've not been told what it does yet.

I'm still a big fan of a DH, and to a lesser extent Jakalope lynch, but not sure how viable those are at this point.

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Why would I've been hammered? In post #847 I'm at L-5, and since then only chkflip has voted me, so I'm at L-4 at this point.

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6 votes to lynch at deadline...

Yeah, but to speak of a 'hammer' seems strange when we have over three days to go.

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why are brown and purple unusual yoshi?

Not sure, it was just that my pm, in other words, mentions brown as an unusual color.
Looking back at Xeras' play, it seems a bit swingy and erratic.

Unvote. Vote: Xeras.

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Vote: Deadline Extension

Vote Xeras

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@DH, I get from page 39 your arguments for diddin as scum, but I don't see much there why Xeras couldn't be scum? Or is it basically you think they can't be scum together?

What doesn't sit well with me is that we somehow have babies and Yoshi's both as Islander, why then would we have a baby-cop?

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hes not a baby cop, hes a baby neighbourizor

ah, that makes more sense with the babies also being town

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I think he's at L-2 now.

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Vote Vifam.

That's some fishing if I ever saw any, first with the massclaim idea, and then looking for investigation roles later on.

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I need to figure out if its your power that we babies need.

Bl, you're trying to imply something here and i'm going to ask: do you believe all babies are town?

Other then Baby Bowser, yes.
And even then Baby Bowser could be town. It wasn't till the end that he went against you and you had to fight him. He after all was the one who lead you through the castle.

more importantly why in the godly fuck should he target YOU? what if your power does nothing but becomes a neighbor? why would you want to potentially waste it like that?

So he should target another random player?
I have a xxxxxxxxxx skill (as I assume all babies have), but I have no idea what it does. At first, I assumed a Yoshi had to pick me up so I can use my ability, assuming they could pick people up. Then I thought it had something to do with those buttons. Now that theirs a stork in the game, thats another option.
I'm just trying to eliminate the chooses, and the stork is the easiest one to eliminate to see if its true or not.

Does it state that your ability needs to be activated? Or just that you have an ability that you don't know yet? I think TheJaka should investigate someone without letting us know first, and we get the information afterwards.

With Baby Wario turning up town, I agree babies would be town in general.

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So I am Paratroops, Island CounterAttacker.


Anyone who visits me with a passive ability dies the next night.

I'm informed who visits me, and it was Ranmaru.

Which is why he needs to claim right now.

How can you be visited by a passive ability?

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Also, what do people think of the different types of islanders?
We have Yoshi's and babies confirmed now, but we've got a claim for both a Stork and Parakoopa. I have a hard time believing there'd be four different types of Islanders, and I don't really trust Vifam's claim, so I feel my vote is fine where it is.

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I have a hard time believing there'd be four different types of Islanders,

Why?

I think the main group would be Yoshi's, and can see the babies added because they're being carried by the Yoshi's. But to add Bowser's minions as islanders, I'd find that strange. Also looking at the current flips, I think we're looking at mostly Yoshi's with some babies sprinkled in.

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umm point to WLC.

Is it that they visited you WITH a passive ability or THAT they HAVE a passive ability and visited you?

Visited with.

A passive ability is just that: passive. It's not something you can actively do something with. So how someone can 'passively' visit you is beyond me.

We have Vifam claiming to be visited by Ranmaru/warriormode, and Ranmaru/warriormode claiming not to have done so. Unless I'm misunderstanding something one of them is lying, so I'd prefer a lynch here, and of the two parties I don't trust Vifam.

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Nope, we are not lynching warrior or vifam today. We will know whether vifam is lying or not tonight. And we can lynch vifam tomorrow if warrior doesn't die tonight.

Too much can happen at night to make this a foolproof plan. If Vifam is scum, scum can just kill warrior tonight (although then it would be the only kill that night, but I think scum could manipulate as well. It feels like you're protecting Vifam somehow, while he still has to explain something impossible from his claim. A passive ability can't be actively used as far as I can see.

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Does everyone agree that either Vifam or warriormode is scum? If so, why are not more people voting for them?

Also, manho is climbing up the radar as scum for me. To me he seems to be all over the place with different opinions.

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Hmm, that Vifam/wm scenario kinda makes sense to wait, but I'd still feel comfortable enough lynching Vifam today. But okay.

My other main suspects are manho, and either one of projectmatt/kcdaspot (of these two I think if one is scum, other is town, vice versa). At this point I feel manho's play is sometimes opportunistic.

Unvote. Vote: manho.

@manho, are you voting Celeb just because of lurking, or for another reason as well?

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VOTE: ProjectMatt


I just want to get to D4 so I can see delicious scum death.

Unvote. Vote: Vifam

Screw the scenario's, I think Vifam is scum.

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It's all nice and well complaining that people are 'single' voting, but the only other with more than one vote is Vifam, and I don't get the feeling people want to go for that today. Must admit kcda makes quite some sense about that, but it still doesn't sit well to me that we have two contradictory claims. As long as we don't get into the discussion tomorrow 'but this and this could've happened, so we're still not lynching Vifam' (still believe Vifam is the scum of the two, but kcda's point of why scum would do that makes me doubt a bit). Also, Vifam just voting PM to get to day 4 should set of some alarms.

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WarriorMode still lives, so Vifam should come with some very good explanation.

Vote: Vifam.

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That's L-2, guys. I know we're super gung-ho about lynching Vifam but he may have seriously just mixed something up. I'm really not down for speedlynching anything regardless, we need to discuss things as a whole before we just start lynching at random.

We, as a town, aren't doing all that great.

Wow, you almost make me want to change my vote. The 'as a town' is the brilliant part.

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Hello.

So a few things that would be really nice to get quick answers to:

What are the buttons for/what do they do/has anything been figured out about them?
Why was warriormode supposed to die? Like, what did Vifam claim that would make it happen? Is Vifam confirmed scum?
What's the case on Sunset? My 2-minute read of them makes me think they're town.

scum fishing?

don't think it's scumfishing, but rather something that (I assume) everyone is in the dark about.

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wow, hadn't have time to look at Day 5, and it's a lynch. At least gives me some time to read again.

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Also, WLC, inform us of your power which you MUST have gained and how you've used it.

Let me say that last night I didn't get much information from my power last night.

In other news, regarding how people play I think either Isa or kcdaspot are scum. Isa, because at some point feels like fishing, and kcda to me feels like a scum player trying to aks town-questions but not really helping town. Regarding claims, a Shy Guy being aligned with the Islanders doesn't sit well with me so I kinda suspect Xeras still as well, but I'm not sure I should try 'outguessing' the mod with roles.

At this point I think kcdaspot is scummiest, so

Vote: kcdaspot

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Regarding claims, a Shy Guy being aligned with the Islanders doesn't sit well with me so I kinda suspect Xeras still as well

I'm a shy guy,

Yeah, great job covering for your scumbuddy.

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so the

last two scum

in the game are claiming the same exact role which explains a phenomenon that has no other explanation

makes a HELL OF A LOT OF SENSE.

(emphasis mine)
How would you know there are two scum remaining?

And really, I have a hard time believing in one Shy Guy, but two? With all the Yoshi's revealed, I could possibly see one Shy Guy as a one-off role, but not multiple ones.

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Also, I'm V/LA from tomorrow until Friday.

Noted. - Bowser

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In other news, I was a tracker for night 5 and 6 when the brown button was pressed.
Night 5 I tracked chkflip, who targetted Implosion (and then chkflip was killed, but I think that's just coincidence at this point)
Night 6 I tracked kcdaspot, who targetted no one.
I'm not sure if there are one or two scum remaining, but if it's the former that should rule out kcdaspot.

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Furthermore, kcda is cleared from wlc's claim. Though, what happens if they are both scum? The alibi wouldn't work so well... if we lynched one of them perhaps.

Vote: Kcda

Really? I already said that KCDA would only be confirmed town if we know for sure there's only one scum remaining.

@implosion, chkflip targetted you in Night 5, do you know why and have you noticed something about that?

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Well, if warriormode isn't lying, Xeras could still be right.

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Okay, sorry for lack of activity. Still don't trust the whole Shy Guy situation, but we have two and not sure if we have two scum left. As implosion claimed second I believe, I suspect him more at this point.

Vote: implosion.

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Okay, I actually care as well, but I thought just going for a quick Xeras lynch might not be the most helpful in case he isn't scum.
Since Xeras doesn't really seem to care if he's lynched or not, I guess that's bad.

Unvote. Vote: Xeras.