[REVIEW] Open Setup Reviews

[yessiree]

Proposing to make one change to Lovers and Losers. Instead of a mafia lovers trio, they are split between a lovers pair and a loner.

Lovers and Losers

9 Players:

2 Mafia Lovers
1 Mafia Goon

4 Town Lovers (2 pairs)
2 VTs

• Daystart
  
• Nightless
  
• Only one VT may get eliminated and only one Town Lover may get eliminated.
  
• If someone attempts to eliminate a role that has already been eliminated, the game ends in a mafia victory.

The original setup had an EV of 2/3 favouring town, by mass claiming during start and eliminating from VT claims. This change aims to combat that.

Edit: I thought this change would make the setup slightly scum-sided but I just did some calculations and the EV is exactly 50% which should still make this somewhat town sided in practice.

[yessiree]

I approve

thanks

Let's see it in action!

roger that

[yessiree]

I had planned to wanted to mod it already, but wasn't sure if I could just /in to mod a modified version of an already approved setup, so just making sure here

[yessiree]

Your EV calc is off, btw. When you factor in the repeated role elimination bit you get that mafia should win 5/9 games. (1/3 mafia is the last pick in the first pool plus 2/3*1/3 mafia is the last pick in the second pool.) So slightly scumsided from an EV standpoint. 44% odds of a town win is still playable though.

yeah you're right, EV of town win should be 44%. (I remember I had 4/9 + 1/18 = 50% but I forgot how I did the calculations and now I realize I was wrong)

in practice though, assuming the use of optimal strategy to mass claim and playing around 2 elimination pools, players that can obvtown can basically turn the first mafia elim from a 1/3 to an 1/2, so it will be interesting to see how this aspect plays out in real games