Video Game UPick Mafia (Game Over)

[RayFrost]

Vote: AGar

for being a pussy

and

late to the party.

[RayFrost]

Got ninja'd a bit, but my vote's on prob scum.

I shall guard the secret to how I know jealously.

[RayFrost]

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

I SEE YOUR VOTE FOR THE CHARMANDER AND RAISE YOU A VOTE ON THE HUGGLEOWLBEAR

[RayFrost]

I DID IT SO IT HAS TO BE COOL! DOWN WITH YOUR LIES AND SLANDER.

[RayFrost]

K.

Unvote

Vote: Seraphim

See that?

[RayFrost]

Clearly making a bad point, then.

[RayFrost]

Clearly making a bad point, then.

Bus you little fucker, bus.

I'm not certified to that activity, sir. I'd need to be scum to have the certifications. Please apply to the correct authorities in order to lead to such a situation. Thank you for your cooperation.

[RayFrost]

Unvote, Vote: Maruchan

I know where this is going. I do not wish for it to last long.

[RayFrost]

Explain what that last line means I don't get it

Read your posts. Read what I said. Make your own conclusion.

[RayFrost]

God you're so helpful to help your other fellow players in understanding what you mean. If I get lynched I'm glad I won't have to play with you.

Well, I know the signs of a self-destructive non-helpful player when I see one. Common signs include going "I wouldn't be surprised if [x] is scum for [y] reasons that are not at all alignment related" and a tendency to call things that they don't quite agree with stupid.

[RayFrost]

I was more taking your stance re the policy lynch for the second part and the fact that it's a

policy

lynch by definition make it not alignment related so much a a tell as to people's opinions regarding your play.

[RayFrost]

Snowmen are the

best

chainsaw users. What are you smoking?

[RayFrost]

God you're so helpful to help your other fellow players in understanding what you mean. If I get lynched I'm glad I won't have to play with you.

Well, I know the signs of a self-destructive non-helpful player when I see one. Common signs include going "I wouldn't be surprised if [x] is scum for [y] reasons that are not at all alignment related" and a tendency to call things that they don't quite agree with stupid.

Quoting to answer maxous' question.

To answer MoI: I don't intend to scumhunt, I intend to townhunt.

[RayFrost]

Btw: Current town reads be MoI, Seraphim, spyrex, and possibly maxous.

[RayFrost]

Why exactly again do you have your vote parked on Maru again? Because he’s a policy lynch? Are you going to policy lynch Meransiel tomorrow then? At what point do you actually, you know, start hunting scum?

Meransiel hasn't displayed a desire to be actively avoiding the providing of content while being rude in a manner indicative of self-destructive, non-helpful behavior.

[RayFrost]

Premature claim out of left field. Da fuck.

[RayFrost]

I said you

aren't

those things.

[RayFrost]

If you played mafia more... You'd know that mods don't follow that.

[RayFrost]

Hey snowman, whose scum?

You can park your vote where you want, I get your policy. Now gimme two reads.

Currently get bad vibes from ant (yes, his two posts are enough for me to feel like I have some kind of read on him), toasty (maxous posting gives good vibes btw), and am losing faith in my initial good feelings about spyrex.

MoI is giving me increasingly good vibes, but I disagree with toasty's assessment of his play even if our reads match there. Maxous, yourself, and seraphim are probably my top three town reads.

Still want maruchan removed to decrease the noise level, buuuuut yeh.

[RayFrost]

Btw: Current town reads be MoI, Seraphim,

spyrex

, and possibly maxous.

*no Spyrex posts*

am losing faith in my initial good feelings about spyrex.

I suggest you look at the thread again.

[RayFrost]

I did, and Spyrex didn't post in between those two. So what was driving you to a town Spyrex decision.

Oh, I misunderstood maxous' post (I thought he said spyrex hadn't posted, which was just plain wrong). The fact spyrex wasn't posting made me no longer feel good about him.

[RayFrost]

So how do you explain him saying that SpyreX was one of his strong town reads and then having him lost "faith in my[Rayfrost's] initial good feelings about spyrex" without any posts from SpyreX in between those posts AND something that can be seen as sort of a precursor to actually jumping on the SpyreX wagon or as a prelude to an attack on SpyreX followed by a vote?

Spyrex had a wagon?

When was this?

And I said los

ing

faith, since the faith was from his [pro-]activity. He went from town to null leaning town.

[RayFrost]

Want more scott posting.

[RayFrost]

Preferred Lynchlist includes Toast, RayFrost, Scott and Maru

Just for reference, what makes you vote toast over me in your lynchlist?

[RayFrost]

LET'S GET ONE MORE CIRCLEJERK IN

THE QT

BECAUSE MARUCHAN IS PLAYING LIKE ANOTHER CHAN.

What the fuck is this.

[RayFrost]

Redemption, Maru. Can you smell it? Can you smell the flowers of forgiveness? I am not like some people who hold needless grudges. You'll notice I'm not voting for you again. Yes, I wagoned you to L-1, but given your play so far, can you say I didn't have a good reason to? I just want you to play the game and try hunting some scum, seeing as that's what you signed up to do, right?

Why not vote for RayFrost, especially if you're not going to use your vote anywhere else?

Hiraki: why not?

1st paragraph: "Scumhunt and it'll all be alright, k?"

2nd "paragraph": "Alternatively, sheep me and don't scumhunt and it'll all be alright, k?"

K.

[RayFrost]

are you trying to say that you don't think that scum would have a quick topic?

are you like daft, or joking.

I'm honestly not sure.

I don't get what you're going for with the ridiculous GUESS WHAT GAMES OR ROLES PEOPLE HAVE OMG WIFOM CIRCLE JERK MESS WITH SCUMS' MINDS WITH MY AGGRESSIVE MIND GAMES strategy.

[RayFrost]

Preferred Lynchlist includes Toast, RayFrost, Scott and Maru

Just for reference, what makes you vote toast over me in your lynchlist?

Lynch list was in no particular order, all of you have significantly pushed me towards a scumbag read and flips on any person in that list will give a wealth of information. I'm amicable to any of those 4 lynches. At the time, Toast was at 2 votes and Maru 3 so I pushed Toast into a tie to see what would come of it.

Mmmmkay.

@ GreyICE: I have no idea who you're talking to there.

[RayFrost]

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

[RayFrost]

Ftr, my town reads are my own, but my choices in the end will match town consensus. I want to see what happens when I'm not always going off on my own ideas.

Yes, this is a breadcrumb. It may or may not become relevant later, so keep it in mind.

For the time being... GreyICE, AGar, Seraphim: Who would you absolutely not want to lynch today outside of yourself? Why?

[RayFrost]

Thank ye kindly for the answer, seraphim. Not so much for grey.

[RayFrost]

The wagon on me only makes sense to the peole on it and myself. It makes sense to me because I know the people on it, so I understand the wagon's intentions.

[RayFrost]

GreyICE, AGar, Seraphim: Who would you absolutely not want to lynch today outside of yourself? Why?

Why did you only ask the people voting you though?

They happen to be my two strongest town reads + AGar. And AGar's just cool.

[RayFrost]

no my vote is because he has done nothign EXCEPT relentlessly attackign me al lgame.


If he were to pay attention to other aspects of the game, he wouldn't be scum.

>Seraphim is voting RayFrost

>Sense, where is it?

[RayFrost]

I have the possibility of dying of my own accord.

So yeah. This is not another metamafia "omfg I read my role PM wrong I have to be alive sorry about that guys" instance, btw.

[RayFrost]

Yup.

[RayFrost]

Back to good vibes, sera.

And I don't really keep track of time, so I thought it'd been longer. It was more "I forgot spyrex is in the game..." when reading my old posts and being all like "DA FUCK THIS IS SPYREX" and so losing my faith.

[RayFrost]

I agree with the above post.

So many wrong, dunno where to begin.

[RayFrost]

I agree with the above post.

So many wrong, dunno where to begin.

And you're jumping on it at the first opportunity why exactly?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RayFrost

Man I love traps.

Saying you make bad post.
[insert ten miles here]
Jumping at the first opportunity

Logic
[insert the span of half the universe]
Your head

[RayFrost]

AGar. About how much dumber do you think you've gotten from reading that post?

Also: GI / Sera, can you explain why meran is scum and not just mindfuckingly dim?

[RayFrost]

Announced how?

Mod post saying EVERYTHING HAS BEEN STOPPED BY UNKNOWN MEANS

or

Mod PM saying YOUR ACTION ARE HAS BEEN BLOCKZORED

[RayFrost]

Grey / Sera

You still haven't distinguished the dimwittedness of merans as scum-tell over null-tell.

[RayFrost]

Eh? They say you're scum, I don't see how you're scum instead of just bad at this game. This relates to votes on me... how?

[RayFrost]

Wrath. Fake abilities are part of fake roles.

If you want, you can have an example of me-scum in a game with a fully made on request flavored role PM from the mod with abilities. By the power of control V. I made up townie rewarder, the mod made an appropriate fakeclaim for me, flavor-wise, with said ability. I also previously had a fakeclaim pre-made for me.

[RayFrost]

Shall I also link you to the other perhaps two hundred plus flavored mafia games where each and every time the mod has provided a

complete

fake role PM on site, or are you just going to admit that you don't know the site meta? I'm being sincere in this question.

[RayFrost]

Shall I also link you to the other perhaps two hundred plus flavored mafia games where each and every time the mod has provided a

complete

fake role PM on site, or are you just going to admit that you don't know the site meta? I'm being sincere in this question.

I am new to this meta, so I won't pretend like I know everything, but I just went and looked at the first 4 games of the completed large theme games sub-forum, none of them had fake abilities in the fake role claims. Tomorrow I will continue to educate myself on this matter.

Let's not waste time looking thoroughly into this, suffice to say that it happens, can happen, has happened, and is hardly as much a rarity as you seem to think. It's not really relevant aside from the wrongness of your assertion.

GreyICE: stop ignoring me. I want an answer to my question, thanks.

[RayFrost]

AGar. About how much dumber do you think you've gotten from reading that post?

Also: GI / Sera, can you explain why meran is scum and not just mindfuckingly dim?

Quoting just for you, GI(joe).

[RayFrost]

Authentic but bad, yes. I'm guessing you feel it's contrived and bad instead?

[RayFrost]

It really just looks like he's moving around his vote and trolling for a lynch frankly. I could see him as town but I'm not seeing anyone else I have a particularly strong scum read on right now.

So I'm going to assume you lost hope in lynching me, then. That's too bad, I was quite enjoying your posts when you were advocating it.

[RayFrost]

Oh what, I'm voting dram?

Unvote

That won't get anything.

[RayFrost]

How would his flipping scum be a tell on my alignment? The fact he sheepjumpvoted onto my wagon when you guys were pushing it and then has stayed there long past the expiration date with some sort of desperate desire for my death? This seems to assume he wouldn't bus me if we were scum buddies, etc.

[RayFrost]

Mmmkay. I follow you.

[RayFrost]

I don't think he should live until lylo, but I doubt he'd live that long and don't see why we are unable to, in the mean time, kill scum. He's vigbait to me more than he is scum.

[RayFrost]

Vote: Scott Brosius

This is a good lynch.

[RayFrost]

I don't think it's town, I think it's anti-town. I disagree that he' super obv major scumzor v2000. *shrug* Different takes on the same behavior.

[RayFrost]

Starting to really dislike ant.

[RayFrost]

Hello LLD.

[RayFrost]

This doesn't endear me to you.

Not only is your claim nigh impossible (if a Global Roleblock EXISTS, it'd exist in a one shot form, which you didn't mention.)

but ALSO, the second quote is a blatant use of flavor spec to try and clear your name.

What is it going to take to lynch this slot already?

LLD posting something as she catches up doesn't seem scummy to me.

Care to explain why it's scummy to you?

[RayFrost]

LLD, care to give a short-list of to-die posters, from your point of view?

[RayFrost]

Frostie you better work on making yourself dead soon.

'cause I'll help you get there.

MY POTENTIAL DEATH IS RELIANT UPON READING THE MINDS OF CERTAIN PEOPLE IN ORDER TO RESULT IN AWESOME RESULTS.

[RayFrost]

Why is it that the largest commentary by hiraki is replying to wrathchild rather than actually making a case on me?

I mean, honestly. It's not like I've been a paragon of towniness this game.

[RayFrost]

Why is it that the largest commentary by hiraki is replying to wrathchild rather than actually making a case on me?

Because I don't really care about you.

I'm not sure if WrathChild is scum or just bad.

I'm still swaying.

>Vote is on me

>"I don't care about you"

>K

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

[RayFrost]

I've been flipflopping on him.

Let him live for today.

I like this RayFrost wagon.

even if he doesn't get pressured.

Also relevant post.

[RayFrost]

Dead game. I guess I can give in to you guys on this.

Unvote, Vote: Meransiel

Ftr, I still feel hiraki would be a beter choice but I don't see that happening and compromises are tech.

[RayFrost]

So kdowns is role-confirmed.

[RayFrost]

Vote: Hiraki

[RayFrost]

Can we just not be stupid and lynch hiraki please

I mean, really. Hirakis pretty obvscum.

[RayFrost]

Even admits it.

[RayFrost]

Meanwhile, in front of GreyICE's face, Hiraki is scumming it up.

[RayFrost]

Thought I'd posted. Guess I dreamposted. Will do content not-now.

[RayFrost]

Whoo, I managed to get through this game day with minimal content and not get called out on it. The fact I wasn't called out on it actually makes me suspect a few people, amusingly enough.

[RayFrost]

Whoo, I managed to get through this game day with minimal content and not get called out on it. The fact I wasn't called out on it actually makes me suspect a few people, amusingly enough.

don't worry sparkles, there's always tomorrow for me to read the game and tell you why you're scum

D'awww. I feel special. <3

Srsly tho, greyice not calling for my death reads all kinds of bad to me. I'm lurking shamelessly and he doesn't even feel the need to make a sideline comment about it, which contradicts my previous experiences with him.

[RayFrost]

Btw, spyrex / lld: Can I call you al? If so, you can call me betty.

[RayFrost]

Above offer also extended to seraphim / MoI, though it is first come first serve on that. Can't have more than one al.

[RayFrost]

Spyrex will be called Al for the rest of this game day.

[RayFrost]

It's

breadcrumbing

, not fluff. Geezus.

And I don't think MoI is scum.

[RayFrost]

Vote: AGar

minimalistic posting regarding hiraki.

[RayFrost]

On the above post: So many wrong, not sure where to start.

[RayFrost]

Anyway, fate. Who do you find to be scum other than MoI? What's your opinion of D1's lynch and the events leading up to it?

[RayFrost]

Dead game. I guess I can give in to you guys on this.

Unvote, Vote: Meransiel

Ftr, I still feel hiraki would be a beter choice but I don't see that happening and compromises are tech.

Oh you're so scum for this hammer.

Lol why would you point me to D1 where you scummed your scum all over your scum?

Silly Frosty.

Well, aside from the fact I'm not scum, I figured you'd have something useful to say. *shrug* I don't mind people thinking I'm scummy. Especially you, and especially in this game.

Do you have anything to say aside from "loluscum" or should I just stop asking?

[RayFrost]

Kuribo: Iso me, iso AGar. Compare.

My posting has generically been minimal this game, but a sizable portion of my posts

is directly about or in response to Hiraki

.

AGar has provided a grand total of roughly shit on a stick about him.

[RayFrost]

I don't even get what you're talking about with your hypothetical situation.

P-edit: Wat. How... I don't... wat.

[RayFrost]

Fate. I think you're the only poster who can consistently irritate me by having incorrect reads on me. You should grab a medal and pin it to your blood splattered wall.

But this game I'm really going to try and keep my cool.

P-edit: Kuribo, I didn't say it was about me. I wanted to know how it has relevance, IIRC the calling "town" out on the fact I was lurking was done by me (though I don't remember the who that got called out on it). I don't feel nervous about hypotheticals. Hypothetical

questions

tend to get me to

reply

, yes.

[RayFrost]

P-edit: Kuribo, I didn't say it was about me. I wanted to know how it has relevance, IIRC the calling "town" out on the fact I was lurking was done by me (though I don't remember the who that got called out on it). I don't feel nervous about hypotheticals. Hypothetical

questions

tend to get me to

reply

, yes.

i never mentioned you, never directed it at you, but you clearly assumed it meant you. it could have meant someone else.

Reading comprehension seems lacking here.

When did I ever assume it was directed at me or about me?

For the record, I assume all hypothetical questions to be open in the sense that it's a come one come all question.

I said, verbatim, "I don't even get what you're talking about with your hypothetical situation." I don't follow how this goes to my assuming it meant me.

why would you answer a hypothetical question if you don't feel nervous about them? by definition:
Term: Hypothetical questions

Definition:
A hypothetical question is one asked out of interest, as the answer will have no effect on the situation.

Why wouldn't I ask for an explanation of a hypothetical question's parameters?

[RayFrost]

This game is the most obvious.

And no. I'm simply tired of being angry at you. I no longer have the energy to deal with the fact you're just wrong. I've gotten old, so to speak.

I think you're town. You're usually town when you do shit like this.

[RayFrost]

Happy? Dejected? You're losing me.

[RayFrost]

Happy? Dejected? You're losing me.

or maybe i've FOUND you

If so, I lost myself along the way. Thanks for finding me for me so I didn't have to go on a quest of self discovery that would pull me away from this game.

[RayFrost]

My role, how I thought about my role, and the fact I don't really feel motivated to be a wallposter. I'm not awesome like spyrex/fate/etc with the ability to be super amazing with a bunch of three line posts.

[RayFrost]

You clearly don't know me.

[RayFrost]

I like the cut of your jib.

Anyway...

Seraphim was here earlier and left. Curious.

[RayFrost]

Hello kdowns / LLD.

[RayFrost]

What do you mean what am I doing

[RayFrost]

Fate, agar posted elsewhere but isn't posting here. Clearly scum too amirite

[RayFrost]

Spy. Unvote. There's one player in this game that is getting by all too easily. Ant to the max.

[RayFrost]

I don't want LLD lynched at base, but I also want to avoid having

an entire day's worth of posting

not performed by the aforementioned playerslot.

[RayFrost]

I haven't forgot about him. Not even pretend.

HOWEVER, that doesn't change this goes down now for a myriad of reasons and you know it.

I solid as shit don't like this 1v1 thing. I find it

really hard

to be able to read people when they're all MAD.YOUSCUM.MAD facing across the thread at each other.

Though it may just be due to the fact I like lld and fate.

[RayFrost]

THIS MARS MATHS. IT BREAKS MY BRAIN.

P-edit: I'm hurt, spyrex.

[RayFrost]

I've been actively posting. I've contributed what I can to the discussions, Al. I was the first one this game day to bring up ant to the max as well.

[RayFrost]

MoI, can you explain why you put ant in the "middle pool" of people at .83 where the others are .68? .83 is closer to .93 than it is to .68, so I don't get the categorization. Aside from my overall lack of understanding of your math anyway.

P-edit: pointing out the ant to the max slot isn't really doing anything? Shit, I thought scumhunting was useful.

[RayFrost]

This post is also doing something - probing towards fate's reads instead of just accepting the one from him.

Chain of posts where I replied to kuribo - oh worth noting, kuribo never replied to the post I just linked and instead completely dropped the line of questioning.

This combination of posts is also doing something

Also, something I noticed reading through this game day.

Seraphim has posted jack shit

.

[RayFrost]

You're acting like I haven't wanted him dead forever + batman.

Baby steps into being snide mr

You didn't bring it up at all today until after I brought it up, which means I did something known as bringing up a point on which you then chose to focus on, meaning it was a worthwhile point, meaning I did something.

But etc.

[RayFrost]

So wait. A question about a hypothetical shouldn't be answered. Meaning there's no point in the question. Meaning you shouldn't have said anything to begin with. Meaning I'm stupid.

This chain of logic. There is a gap.

[RayFrost]

Oh how nice of you to make sure I understand that I have no grasp of anything that's going on. You should take this into account and realize that if I'm so mindfuckingly retarded that there's no way I could possibly come up with something useful and would mindlessly sheep to the end of my days. So how about I start mindlessly sheeping. That way we don't have to deal with my complete incompetence when I struggle and fail to provide anything useful.

Spyrex, tell me where to place my vote.

[RayFrost]

Pretty sure I can piss the longest, so I win.

[RayFrost]

Pretty sure I can piss the longest, so I win.

son, you ain't seen shit till you've seen me piss

I'll have seen shit when I see you piss? You might want to get that checked.

[RayFrost]

Spyrex, tell me where to place my vote.

[RayFrost]

Vote: Ant to the max

[RayFrost]

Seraphim is at L-1, ftr

[RayFrost]

Wait... so the people who pushed hardest on lld (fate/kuribo/spyrex) are now her scum buddies?

I'm confused.

[RayFrost]

Wait... so the people who pushed hardest on lld (fate/kuribo/spyrex) are now her scum buddies?

I'm confused.

when did i say i thought LLD was scum?

Sorry, misremembered. I just associate you three with each other a bit much.

[RayFrost]

Fate claiming vig all out of the blue and shit is like whoaaaa

[RayFrost]

Oh really.

K.

[RayFrost]

Fate, I'm going to speak to you from the heart.

I may not be a desert warrior seeking out the promise land, but I am an outrageous dude who carries giant pieces of rocks around with him to shine light upon the desert warrior, at once strengthening him and keeping him safe.

[RayFrost]

It's also a breadcrumb in relevance to this game, which makes it

fucking brilliant

.

[RayFrost]

hiplop

[RayFrost]

Oh wow I didn't mean to submit yet

Was going to ask:

Are you saying that even if you ask the mod you

won't be able to tell what ability was used by greyice[/b]?

If so that reads all kinds of "I AM LYING THROUGH MY FUCKING TEETH"

[RayFrost]

It's also a breadcrumb in relevance to this game, which makes it fucking brilliant.

i figured out what you meant, which means it wasn't fucking brilliant at all, it means it was really obvious and that's bad coming from me since i almost never figure that kinda shit out on my own

Oh well it's misleading too.

Which is kinda the point.

I kinda wanna die, see.

[RayFrost]

So wait who's claiming after wrath

I haven't read that yet.

[RayFrost]

Also, fate = al.

[RayFrost]

I am a bodyguard. (breadcrumbs: the al / betty stuff is from a paul simon song with the lyrics "if you be my bodyguard, I will be your long lost pal. I can call you betty and betty when you call me you can cal me al")

Sayaka from Enchanted Arms is the flavor stuff.
Protection link is the ability name.
Mod phrasing says that only "standard" kills are blocked by my ability.

No action night one
N2: Spyrex
N3: Fate
N4: Fate

[RayFrost]

Max:

I didn't feel that a bodyguard had a need to stay alive. Hinting at a power role early on can sway scum to kill me off instead of other more useful roles (a la doctors, vigs, cops, etc, etc). My role's "job" is to defend the more townish players from a night kill. Actively doing so via action and via breadcrumbing seemed like a fine idea.

[RayFrost]

Oh and I protected spy n2 because he was my strongest read for likely to die that I want to live.

N4 I chose fate because I felt that it's rather unlikely spy-town would be chosen to death over fate-town. May have been wrong, but etc.

[RayFrost]

Mod, can I become a fate multi-shot dayvig enabler or something.

Or can you just blow kdowns apart into a confetti party.

[RayFrost]

Really. Then that makes spyrex scum, which bothers me. I've had a town read on him all game. :<

Dunno what exactly you expect me to do? :/

[RayFrost]

I read the thread. Summary is I want to vote maxous.

[RayFrost]

I'll

try

to actually read this entire game.

I'm going to pull a reverse ocarina of time.

[RayFrost]

Problem: I'm town.

Actual problem: reading this entire game is taking up a lot more energy than I thought it would. I'll finish tomorrow and give you guys reads then. I'm about 2/3 of the way done, but when I finish it will be posted.

[RayFrost]

The meransiel lynch was *really* bad.

This is actually something that, looking back on, makes me feel worse about spyrex: he was a main pusher on that instead of hiraki, but he still said some stuff on hiraki.

Start of d2 looks bad on maxous, as he goes into lld immediately instead of hiraki, which feels to me like an attempt to start a counterwagon before it even begins. The day ends with him on the wagon, but it's only when the lld one is clearly not going to happen.

A similar comment can be made about spyrex,

especially considering

that spy practically outright begged for a vig on ant to the max yet completely ignored that playerslot. This ties into the whole "pointing things out but not going for them for the sake of looking good"

Seraphim is a late joiner to the meransiel wagon but was pushing for hiraki quite a while, which makes me feel like he's more likely to be town here: the consistency in this case feels more of a town tell than a scumtell.

Also relevant seraphim post that is :goodposting:

As a result, I by extension feel that forced to give a choice between three people it'd be spy/max/wrathchild.

The lld wagon was all kinds of bad, which makes me feel *slightly* less confident about seraphim but more confident on wrathchild-scum.

Not much to say on the hiplop wago except choo choo. (tho this post gives me a tingly "FAKE COMMENT FAKE COMMENT" vibe)


hiraki's vote here feels noteworthy but I'm not sure what to get out of it

Seraphim's right on maxous having coasted the entire game and I dn't get the feeling that it was him distancing, which makes me rather certain on sera-town, which in combination with fate-town and kuribo-town leaves max/spy/kdowns/wrathchild. Kdowns is role confirmed, but he's been actively spending all his time doing nothing, which makes his alignment heavily in question.

further evidence for sera-town

this kind of posting pops up as kinda townish for wrath but it's so *rare* that I just don't buy into it. It'd be like saying "you made one good post all game, you're town"

Town: fate/kuribo/me/seraphim

Null-leaning-scum: spyrex/kdowns

Scum: maxous/wrathchild

[RayFrost]

owat it took me twenty minutes to find all the quotes?

[RayFrost]

Do you have anything you disagree on, fate? I feel rather confident about my assessment of seraphim here, but I want to get your take as well.

[RayFrost]

Oh rite. You claimed hider.

Move yourself to scum then thanks.

[RayFrost]

Hrrrmm. Sounds about right, yeah.

[RayFrost]

Before a no lynch, claiming night actions.

I'll start by saying there's a roleblocker that targeted me (or a redirector, either one works technically, but the former is more likely). The evidence? Fate is dead.

[RayFrost]

....

WoooooOooOoOooosh

Do we really have to go through a nk on someone (hint: kuribo) or can we lynch the surprise roleblocked doctor who asked for night actions in vanilla-claim land?

Body guard != doctor

and I thought you had a night action, spy? Whatever happened to that? Your claim could clear someone, zomg.

[RayFrost]

Clearly I was wrong to ask for night action*s*, I should've just said spyrex needs to claim with me. MY BAD GUYS.

[RayFrost]

Oh, I forgot the two shot part of spyrexs claim. I just remembered "hider = spy's claim" My bad.

[RayFrost]

Fate claiming vig all out of the blue and shit is like whoaaaa

Yeah this is pretty bad, combined with the whole "Oh Noes! I was Roleblocked!". Why the hell would Ray assume Fate was claiming Vig and not scum? Yes, I know claiming scum is pretty unheard of but this tells me, that subliminally Ray knew Fate was town.

I had a town read on fate. When did I ever feel otherwise? That's right, I didn't.

[RayFrost]

Naturally, I'm like 100% certain spyrex is scum due to the whole I have to be scum if he's town and I know this is untrue, buuuuut I have to read through this thread with that *specifically* in mind before I suss out the partner in crime (leaning kdowns, seraphim's play so far is not matching my list of scumtells for him so yeah).

[RayFrost]

Bah clicked submit before I typed in my tid-bit about wrath in the parentheses: wrath presents a solid case on kdowns imo, which makes him more likely to be town in my eyes. Doesn't rea like false conviction.

[RayFrost]

What the fuck is this shit?

You mean to tell me you claimed bodyguard, figuring that you saving Fate was the reason for the no-kill on N4... but then Fate died last night? And there's a mythical roleblocker out there?

more likely, Fate protected someone Night 4 who was targetted.

Otherwise, the scum RB would have to be between Spyspy, Seraphimiller, and Wrath

No. There's no way that I saved fate from a nightkill, as I would be dead if that were the case.

And yes, there's a roleblocker or someone with an unusual kill.

[RayFrost]

I read the thread. Summary is I want to vote maxous.

THEN WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU?

Even when I fucking BEGGED for Maxous' blood! Even when they only way for that obvscum wagon to reach lynch was for him to self-hammer and shut you guys up before you fucked his game.

Because I don't like voting when I'm still talking with fate.

I wasn't around for when he self-hammered so yeah? Fate hadn't even voted maxous at the time I was around.

[RayFrost]

Also:

Vote: Spyrex

[RayFrost]

Unvote

Epiphany.

[RayFrost]

Also:

Vote: Spyrex

Explain to me how you think a Master Swordswoman who has a loyalty to the Shogun winds up with an ability called "Protection Link" when that isn't even one of her abilities?

Sayaka is a boss fight, so her move list is very very very very every limited (three different techniques, two of which would be stupid to base an ability off of, one of which is meh).

Loyalty to shogun, bodyguard-esque, how kdub came up witht he name is anybody's guess.

[RayFrost]

The epiphany isn't too amazing, but holy fuck.

Spyrex is definitively town. He's been consistent across his posting. I tried to read through and understand a possibility of him being scum but there just isn't.

I got roleblocked last night, I know this to be true as fate is dead and I live.

This makes it

easily possible

for spyrex to be town and have been roleblocked on one/both the nights he actioned. It's likely that fate protected one of the night kills (likely kdowns from what spyrex pointed out).

Now, stay with me here. The scum is seraphim. I know we pulled away from this, but it's truth. Seraphim and wrathchild. They've been consistently hand holding each other through this game. Seraphim claimed miller with "special wordingz" which wrathchild went WINKWINK SIMILAR WARDINGZ BROHAMS all over. He's been constantly propping this up and seraphim has been lurking to eternity just to avoid having to do anything: he's letting us self-destruct while wrath tries to create as few connections to him as possible.

Let's analyze wrathchild here: as spyrex/kuribo have said, what he's going for doesn't make sense. He presents a big old line of "reasoning" which shows spyrex scum and then goes for kdowns instead. He says "unvote me if you don't want to lose" - a pitiful attempt to appeal to emotion and nonsensical considering spyrex should be scum from his logic.

He's said seraphim is town all game based off of one thing: LOL THE WORDINGZ MAYNE THEY SO SIMILAR TO MAH OWN STUFFZ. Nevermind the fact seraphim has done jack shit to look town all game and has been resting on his laurels with that miller claim since essentially day one.

He's also claimed role stopper which is all well and dandy, but I have a feeling the truth is there in the lie: roleblocker. We have our sum ladies and gentlemen.

[RayFrost]

Loyalty to shogun, bodyguard-esque, how kdub came up witht he name is anybody's guess.

Except kdub didn't pick the character, just the game.

And there are other characters that would make more sense in your claimed role than this one.

*shrug* Raigar would make more sense, but I'm not the one who sets it.

[RayFrost]

come on, man, just bus wrath so that we can kill him, you get to kill me tonight, then spyspy kills you tomorrow

you're already fucked anyway.

This isn't a ditch attempt to win a lost game. This is a realization of the situation we're actually in. Believe me or not as you wish.

Seraphim and Wrathchild are the remaining two scum. Spyrex being roleblocked makes

vastly

more sense than him being scum given my own knowledge that one exists. (albeit it may look silly and stupid to you: I couldn't buy the possibility of spyrex scum even when people told me to my face that PoE says it has to be him or me. I've found out and realized that this isn't true.)

Mock me or ridicule as you like, but I stand by my thoughts.

Vote: Wrathchild

Too bad nobody listens to the snowmen.

[RayFrost]

Kuribo, I shall open my mind to you when I get back from the store. For now, groceries need to be purchased.

[RayFrost]

interesting that you're so sure he's scum that you're willing to put him at L-1 in potential MyLo

L-2 is no different if he's town. And besides, epiphanies for me are rare but shine bright.

[RayFrost]

When scum dies doesn't matter as long as they do.

Here's my mental breakdown so to speak (I was thinking this through on the way to and from the store):

I've thought spyrex is town basically all game. I

really

can't buy him-scum without overwhelming evidence (such as me-scum or him-scum). There is no evidence. I've been roleblocked, this makes it possible for spy to have been telling the truth. In conjunction with the fact I've found him so oozingly town all game, I find this possibility more likely than him being lying scum.

With the roleblock existence in play, this could be either of spyrex's targets,

but

fate has breadcrumbed the kdowns protection. It makes

100% no sense

for spyrex-scum to kill kdowns. Just none. This further entrenches spy-town. Add in the thorough consistency of spyrex's target(s) and his play. Then mix in the fact that spy-scum has

zero motivation whatsoever even in moon logic

to remove the possibility of a sera-lynch.

This means seraphim was the blocked hide. So this leaves us with kuribo, wrathchild, and seraphim.

Ignoring the read I have on kuribo, let's consider the likelihood of the other two first.

Wrathchild has been consistently wriggling his way through this game, on the edge of death multiple times. His play so far is consistent with the desperation of scum. Why hasn't it been consistent with the desperation of town? The contradictions in his actions. Presenting a world where spyrex is scum but then going for kdowns instead, outright stating spyrex-town in his "unvote me if you don't want to lose" comment pointed out by kuribo.

Seraphim has been essentially a nonentity in this game. Hes been 100% coasting by on his miller claim with

not even a half ass attempt to seem like he is trying to do anything to find scum ever at all in a million years

. This can be all well and dandy for town, but then you have to look at the connectivity here.

Wrathchild as scum would have no motivations to support a miller claim unless the person claiming was his buddy

. Add in the fact wrathchild has been

completely resting on this "MATCHING OF WORD CHOICE"

as his reason to find seraphim town and ignore everything else. The connectivity here is blatant.

Now let's look at kuribo. He has essentially

no connectivity with maxous or wrathchild

. There is simply no logical world in which kuribo is scum with maxous/wrath, meaning he is town by virtue of this aside from his own townie behavior. This assumes he isn't scum with seraphim, but even here there is

zero connectivity

. He's town.

The failing logic surrounding wrathchild in his struggles to push through this day are

heavily indicative

of someone trying to leave as much of a mess behind as possible to allow his coasting teammate to hide in the debris. Who is coasting right now? Kdowns. Seraphim. Following the above, kdowns is town.

This is the clearest, possibly redundant, way I can display my thoughts. I've thought this through. It feels right. There will be no egg on my face come endgame.

[RayFrost]

Is everyone here flippin deaf? I asked that you drop this until Ray answers:

@Ray: Were you notified of your roleblock?

You know, spamming a question won't make me wake up sooner. No. I wasn't.

[RayFrost]

Why Frost? Why not Wrath?

He hasn't actually bothered reading anything but the votecount, so all he is doing is going "heerrr no content spyrex knows all duurrr"

[RayFrost]

This is all cute except for one huge thing

Unless KDub is taking a new and exciting approach to night actions, you cant block a hider.

OHH SNAP

Kdub uses NAR. This shows the hider coming before a roleblocker in the order of resolution, but the golden rule would have a roleblock

modifying

your hide action (and the hider in question here is actually commuter which is a different role entirely... >.>). To quote a bit - "As a general rule of thumb, actions which players

choose to use can be roleblocked

, and actions which don't involve player choice can't be roleblocked."

So you'd be roleblocked just as easily as I would be.

If you were just passively forced to hide, that'd be a different matter.

[RayFrost]

Smug? Really?

I'm not saying anything about my own towniness there to begin with, let alone doing it smugly.

[RayFrost]

Guess I'm wrong.

I still can't see how spyspy is scum, though. His play this game MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE as something other than town.

[RayFrost]

I swear, this game is going to make me drill a hole into my head.

[RayFrost]

Kuribo: I think you're town. I said that. The likelihood of you being scum is roughly equivalent to me as the likelihood of my being town. I'm

that

confident in my ability to read you properly here. Sue me.

[RayFrost]

Wow. I really failed my wording.

[RayFrost]

I was going to say "the likelihood of you being scum is roughly equal to the likelihood of wrath being town" and then decided to say that you're as likely to be town as I am and forgot to change what I had already typed.

[RayFrost]

suuuuure

it's okay man, just step into the noose.

see, town would have at least been annoyed with my pointing out that slip. "that isn't what I meant and you know it." and so on.

you on the other hand didn't explain yourself until after your ohshit post

The fact I can't type an explanation faster than you type a one liner is not really my responsibility is it

Your posting doesn't even come close to irritating me. Need I remind you I've dealt with fate DRUNKPOSTING about how I was scum when I was town? Tbh, you don't really compare.

[RayFrost]

I'm alive. By definition I haven't confirmed my role.

[RayFrost]

Rayfrost, so you are defending that you are town, while Kuribo single handlely outted both you and Wrath?

I'm defending that I'm town.

Kuribo hasn't "outted" anybody. He's laid down his feelings on the matter, which is an entirely different thing from OMFGCONFIRMEDOUTTING. Kindly wash your face with cold water.

[RayFrost]

If you believe that spyrrx is truthful, kurbio has to think me and ray are scum. I have to think ray and kurbio are scum and ray has to think me and kurbio are scum.

Patently false with the presence of a roleblocker but nobody believes me so WELP.

[RayFrost]

Scum, go ahead and kill kuribo. I won't even try to stop you. I give up.

[RayFrost]

I can't possibly believe in kuribo scum, sooooo yeah. I hate this game.

unvote

[RayFrost]

I chose enchanted arms because my other top choice would've been gauntlet dark legacy.

[RayFrost]

And I really screwed shit up, sorry guys.