Video Game UPick Mafia (Game Over)

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Vote:Mauchan

Are you ever town?

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When I was looking at your games for being in my game, I could only find scum flips

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@Seraphim: What makes you comfortable with lynching Maruchan?

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Seraphim's role is so legit. Love watching that british let's play. Of course, he could just be a bad guy since the character's such a douche, but I believe his claim.

In other news, I've modded a game with maruchan and thought he made it quite enjoyable, and don't see him as anti-town.

Unvote:Vote: SpyreX

for asking for Seraphim to full claim and asking for speedlynches (yeah, I sense the sarcasm....but sarcasm always has truth behind it).

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Because part of one game is enough information to warrant a policy lynch.

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I just don't like the fact that it can lead to a potential mislynch which would be bad for us.

... I just read Part of One Game of Maruchan's... -FacePalm-
VOTE: Maruchan
Maruchan's self destruction is imminent.

Does. Not. Compute.

PEDIT: @Dramonic: Because of this woman

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Pfft, women...

Not to look at. To laugh at.

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kdowns is scummy for CONTRADICTIONS
SpyreX is scummy for FISHING
RayFrost is scummy for REASONING (I DONT GET IT)

MoI just came in and did an obvtown.

@MoI: Didn't vote him cuz I want SpyreX to answer to his crimes.

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Mhm. Calling someone obvtown for being obvtown is totally bussing
@Maxous: Seraphim's claim is legit because it is like a sexy flavor role. Like I said, it doesn't necessarily clear him from being scum, but I definitely believe him at this point.

MoI is obvtown because his posts match my town meta of him and I agree with the entirety of his post.

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@Maruchan: WTF WHY DO YOU EXCERCISE SO MUCH. I BIKED 4 miles today tho!!!....in the gym.

Idk what to think about the claim. It shouldn't be done no matter what allignment...I've seen that power on scum and town

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He didn't say that?

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STOP LURKING SPY

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Because apparently I missed a post. I'llll find it

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[quote="MoI']What Spyrex did was not Role-fishing. He asked for support flavor for the role that Seraphim already publicly outed.
So unless you have other ‘crimes’ you need to move your vote to someone being actual scum … aka kdowns.[/quote]

It was support flavor that wasn't necessary. He also wanted to "get two speedlynches." Yeah, we can debate the meaning of sarcasm, but, quite frankly, sarcasm is truthful. It was also the scummiest thing said at the time.

In the mean time, I want to know why SPYREX HIMSELF hasn't responded or even posted to the accusations. As such, I'm not going to take off my vote 'till we receive an answer.

@MoI: Why question my reasons when Ant did voted for the exact same things?

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Town MoI (whom I have played a lot of games when he was said alignment) immediately challenges a majority of the playerlist. Even if he zooms after one person, he will mention others.
Scum MoI (whose games I've read. Blackest Night Mafia was the game that got me on the site, actually) LOVES questions. Yes, he asks questions as both, but his scum questions make you say "uhhh what is he getting at"? Posts get shorter with time.

He's reminding me more of town MoI.

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Vote: ToastyToast

disagree? I think its quite accurate.

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Someone tell me what I've done that was scummy, or else your pretty obviously forcing a mislynch.

Getting a townread on someone is not buddying.

I'm probably right on about 2/3 of my scum reads.
I haven't even created my epic list yet.

Toasty is scum for lolreasoning on his scum reads. His buddying to moi is not a scum tell per se. What worries me more is that moi puts up with this. I'd have expected moi to attack him more for that instead of this harnless advising (move your vote off spyrex please, etc)

Whats so lol about the reasons I have on the first few pages of the game? I'm waiting for MORE reasons, thats why I'm still voting SpyreX.

@Maxous: I think your misinterpreting what I meant. People may joke about something and actually mean what they say. If SpyreX had gone in and said "HEY GUSY IMMA LYNCH ALL UR TOWNIES," you would think 'he's got to be joking...' but you may end up voting him anyway because...who the F says that? 'Twas a similar statement with a similar response.

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Unvote

I'll put up a list l8ter giving me thoughts on everyone

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Well, I would'nt vote that person..
Joke is a joke.
Is there any instance before where you took a similar stance on a sarcastic/jokey comment?

Not as directly as in this game, but I remember something similar happen in Candy Zoo mafia.
Also, to me it was the scummiest thing to happen at that point in time. The joke is more or less connected to the way he jumped on the Maruchan PL wagon. He also switched to kdowns.

Now put "TROLOLOL CAN I GET TO SPEEDLYNCHES??" in your head then ask why SpyreX voted the two easiest people to get lynched?

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@Toasty: Thanks, I'll have a look at that game.

It may have been Nobody Special's c9++ game, actually. I voted cjdrum for having an over-forced joking attitude

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Also, people voting Maruchan are people cruising for a lynch rather than cruising for scum...he's dead man walking tonight, let's lynch scum please.

Why the change of heart.

Wrathchild's catch-up is...less than stellar. Do you have a read on anyone other than the largest wagon?

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@WrathChild: that's an overreaction if I ever saw one. I asked for reads, its not a declaration of war.

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When scum, I would really love to make toasty dead.

Just to clarify, are you saying I'd be an easy target?

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OHHH SNAP I AM BUSTED

um, no, its completely true if you look at my LYNCHED history.

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Ant is still scum and I would love to see him become vapors. When (he's) scum, I would really love to make toasty dead.

It has nothing to do with you being "an easy target" and everything to do with "omg rolefishing" and "omg spyrex be lurkin when Ant has piggybacked me and thats all he's done"

The only reason I haven't talked about ant is because I've been lazy and haven't put my list together yet. DOn't think I haven't noticed that 'lil hop of his.

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MagnaofIllusion - Already Explained
kdowns - Plays like a newbie, should probably be treated likewise. Also, his power should be used tonight.
Seraphim: Believable claim; was willing to back off the PL he started

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Scott Brosius - Who?What?
Maruchan - Acted way too overdefensive/too many excuses; However, given that he was the target of a PL--well, I'd be pretty annoyed too.
dramonic - his whole ISO is /useless filler post
Dekes - He was supposed to talk more Sunday evening. He still ain't here. Also would like to know his reasoning behing GreyICE - Ehhh. I miss the loud, argumentative GreyICE. I can never read this version of him.
AGar - Well, firstly, what's with all this antagonism? Idk why you think I'm just going to put minimum effort in this game. Anyways, I don't like his first few posts, especially the whole "shut up and vote me" thing. For someone so concerned in my own activity, he sure hasn't done much.
Ray Frost - *Pending* Don't really get the case on him.
SpyreX: Could be scum doing some early Ant bussing; there's definitely some OMGUS in the fact that he thinks both me and Ant (the two ppl who were voting him) are scum. What's so scummy about un-voting?

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Ant_to_the_Max - 5 posts? Including one when you just copy what I say and vote SpyreX? Also,

Your [Meransiel's] first 10 posts rub me the wrong way and make me think you are scum.

How can Meransiel expect to respond to something as vague as this? Is this another random vote? If it is, why are you still being random? Not giving a WHY is unhelpful.

Meransiel - I was thinking town until I read his ISO. That's A LOT of vote switches. He's voted Hiraki (RVS), me, Scott Brosius, Seraphim, SpyreX and Ray Frost. And most of his posts give a one sentence explanation or no explanation at all. He also says Frost is jumping on a wagon at the first opportunity, but isn't that exactly what he's doing? He also brings up the idea that there are 3 PL's lined up, but I didn't see a thing lining up for him at all.

WrathChild - Terribad overreaction to me asking for more reads, which he did not give. Seriously, look at your ISO. EVERYPOST = OMGMARUCHANLYNCHLYNCH and no consideration of the other players. When I can you out on it and ask you for reads, you claim I'm just flinging mud at you? I am scum-hunting and the fact that you can't look at a rational question and answer it makes you scummy. I'll ask again: Why are you still tunneling Maruchan and ignoring every other aspect of the game? You sound like a broken record with this "YOU ARE NOT SCUM HUNTING. YOU ARE NOT SCUM HUNTING" talk when...well, you are not scum hunting.

The fourth scum would probably be one of SpyreX/AGar/Maruchan
I also think the fact that we have a mass roleblocker means that if someone else claims a standard roleblock, they are probably scum. I still have a lot of nulls, but its a start.

Vote: WrathChild

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I knew I was forgetting something.
Maxous is a town read.
Hiraki I find to have a lot of filler posts/lurky (so null)

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I find it ironic that you are calling my reaction so scummy when you are over-reacting as well. On top of that, compare my "over-reaction" to Maru's "over-reaction", but yet I am the scummiest player in your opinion.

Seriously? Of all the slacking, non-effort players sitting on their thumbs today, you're going to pick me out for building a case on a guy that's tied for the lynch lead at L-6!? That is so so poor. Can anyone tell me if Maru has a history of doing this crap? If so, I'm about to start a toasty wagon because that was a scum-slap to my face.

THIS is your over-reaction. And Maruchan is the target of a Policy Lynch. It produces much more anger than the question "What are your reads on the other ppl? Why are you focussing purely on Maruchan?" As such, an over-reaction by town is much more plausible.

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Dramonic is asking for a vig shot, the other 2 are indeed scummy.

@kdowns: Why did you claim so early?

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@Wrath: Games tend to have, you know, fake claims. This often includes a full role PM, so although I believe Seraphim to be town, thats the wrong way to go about it.

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@Wrath: Games tend to have, you know, fake claims. This often includes a full role PM, so although I believe Seraphim to be town, thats the wrong way to go about it.

How many times have you seen scum given Fake-Ability claims? Fake name claims, yes, fake ability claims, I'm yet to have seen one. That doesn't say it's impossible, but pretty unlikely I think. Usually a fake miller claim is scum just trying a gambit on their own accord, not as assigned by the mod. If he were a Babyface/GF, then he would have not said anything about opposites.

In this particular case I'm going with "what seems most likely is probably true".

Quite a lot of times

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@Wrath: Have you done just the two ISO's, or are you just posting the one's of your suspects?

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yeh, all the super active ppl seem to be missing. :/

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Well this sure is going slow.

I don't think vote analysis is useful until a few flips, tbh
Also not likin' the people on the Scott wagon in general--the reasons for voting him aren't super good either.

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Because nothings happening and I want to hear more from like....everyone

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@MoI: SpyreX's role-fishing thing included looking for unnecessary flavor, +plus trying to "get 2 speed lynches" under the guise of humor
So yeah, looking back I see the point that SpyreX was merely trying to come to an understanding with Seraphim's role, but why should that matter to him? What if there was more to Seraphim's role than just a miller? I personally feel that any information scum doesn't have, they shouldn't have.

As for the Ant thing, i don't think you can give scum points for that, given that, you know, calling out one person for something and ignoring another for the same thing is somewhat contradictory.

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I always act like the Joker.

Uh since when?

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Why is it that the largest commentary by hiraki is replying to wrathchild rather than actually making a case on me?

I mean, honestly. It's not like I've been a paragon of towniness this game.

Not to mention that its a very dull, forced argument.

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Meransiel hasn't done much to change my read on him.
In other words, I'm fine with

Unvote:Vote:Meransiel

what's interesting about this situation is how Meransiel seems to believe that he's being voted for VI, but thats really not the case here. So yeah, really poor defense, even if most of it is directed towards his scumbuddy wraith.

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L-1

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Ah, whatever.
I was just trying to achieve some voting variation by boasting about my role.

So...I am Leliana from DA, Vanilla Town. Make of that what you wish.

Leliana is too awesome to be a VT.

@Seraphim: Did anyone say "READY TO HAMMAH?" If not, then Meran was ok with not claiming. Its not anti-town or pro-town.

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Dragon Age <3

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Dragon Age <3

Oh, you mean the nominee for Worst Graphics in a Video Game ever? It narrowly edges out Space Invaders.

This discussion is pointless. Can we move on to lynching scum, aka Wrath?

Lol FUUUUU I didn't mind the graphics.
And obviously this game has stalled a bit, and lynching Meransiel is more likely to move this game forward than suddenly getting a bunch of people to flip to Wrath.

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vote:wrathchild

yep

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Hm. Does anyone think the locations mean something?

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Vote: Maxous

I don't recall any Maxous suspicions b4. Explain plz.

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What is this case against me? I'm pretty sure the people voting me are idiots or assholes I just can't tell if its town or scum crap spewing from them.
@gi: I want to here the reason for voting me out of your mouth.

yep. blatant antagonism. Thats the way to convince people your town.

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[quote="ToastyToast]WrathChild - Terribad overreaction to me asking for more reads, which he did not give. Seriously, look at your ISO. EVERYPOST = OMGMARUCHANLYNCHLYNCH and no consideration of the other players. When I can you out on it and ask you for reads, you claim I'm just flinging mud at you? I am scum-hunting and the fact that you can't look at a rational question and answer it makes you scummy. I'll ask again: Why are you still tunneling Maruchan and ignoring every other aspect of the game? You sound like a broken record with this "YOU ARE NOT SCUM HUNTING. YOU ARE NOT SCUM HUNTING" talk when...well, you are not scum hunting.[/quote]

Really, my reasons for voting you are much different than the ones you've suggested

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UGH QUOTE FAIL

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@Wrath:
Did you do anymore ISO's
One new reason for the vote is the fact that everyone seems to come out scummy when put in one of those.

Dramonic and Seraphim's votes are both pretty bad, thus giving them some scumpoints

unvote

Gonna check out this Hiraki wagon and see whats up

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@Anyone: Is WrathChild defensively aggressive in all his games?

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Unvote
Vote: Hiraki

stop being so antitown

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Look at Seraphim's actions today.
IM GONNA VOTE HERE. NO, HERE. OMG I CHANGED MY MIND AGAIN. IM ALSO NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN A THING

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Furthermore I'd like you to directly comment on my latest round of showing why Hiraki is OBV-SCUM. You are doing a great job ignoring it.

I already said I was going to take a look at his slot.

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Really? I'm busy. I have other games. I have school. When I say I'm going to look at something, it means "sometime in the next few days." Thats no reason to suspect me.

Also, what makes you think its a deflection? I think Seraphim is town too, but that doesn't change the fact that switching a vote multiple times--only one of which was explained (poorly, however) is still suspect.

@MoI: I don't like posts with JUST a vote. Also, while other votes made sense based on the behavior/reads of said player yesterday, Seraphim's seem to have come out of nowhere. Thus, way different from what the other votes were like.

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I'm touchy toward Toasty
I'm usual wrong about him.
He's usually vigbait anyway.
time to get useful CoDcharacter/mastercheif/bigboss

I've been vigged like once in my entire mafiascum career. And that was in a game I replaced in temporarily during Andrius' V/LA as it was about to enter night phase. So yeah, no.

Early game Hiraki is a bunch of random shit that is irrelevant. Bleh
-stays on Maruchan without saying much about the reasons. He also jabs at seraphim (?); this seems odd given that seraphim was one of the original advocates for maru lynch.

Seriously. Like actually scumhunt.
Calling that hypocritical btw, is a sin against nature.

...but it is hypocritical because you aren't trying very hard?

-The fact that Hiraki wasn't even in my list originally = obviously not even in the radar of goodposting/content

why are we lynching a VI anyway?

You tell me. You certainly didn't do much to stop the lynch.

-the whole joker thing was dumb.
-Does make a good point about kdowns=town
-If he likes the RayFrost wagon,why didn't he change his vote?

I'm not sure if WrathChild is scum or just bad.

Very noncommital. Him and Wrath have these light jabs throughout D1

Wrath I flipflopped on because his posts today.

Orly? what about Wrath's posts make you flipflop. Again, saying stuff w/o giving the reasons behind it
-MoI has that nice catch; Hiraki's response is terribad

Conclusion:
Hiraki is either scum looking for scumreads and can't find them, or town who isn't paying attention to this game
Hiraki's stance on WrathChild implicates both of them. WrathChild, however, has a much more active stance on Hiraki. This suggests that Hiraki manipulating WrathChild's situation to garner more votes on him.
At the same time, Wrath being right about Hiraki will make him look much better.

@MoI: Do you still find WrathChild to be scummy? Or does you unvote of him to Hiraki = a one or the other sorta deal?

soooo

Hiraki vs. WrathChild

Hiraki: anti-town attitude, no pushes or explanations, did not change his RVS vote at all D1, the MoI catch, flipflopper
BUT good point about kdowns, and stuck with it

WrathChild: Over-defensive (which is why I asked if this was normal for him but got no response), over-reactions to votes, odd "every ISO was scummy" coincidence, MoI buddying, soome odd reasons for reads (LOL BEST TOWN PERFORMANCE DRAMONIC)
BUT much more believable reads, better activity and pushes

5-1=4 vs 5-2=3
Soo

Vote:Hiraki

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no, lets answer the damn question when I ask it, because I shouldn't have to do your work for you

EBWOP: If you take those numbers out, I'd still vote for you at this moment

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@Wrath: re-read what I said. Its apparent that I though you were scum on D1, and I have reasons for voting you.
Seraphim, on the other hand, had votes that did not have any explanation on D1 either

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Because I felt like it. Also, the two of them are pretty close in regards to my suspicions, but Hiraki slightly outweighs Wrath there. Thus, the reflecting numbers.

Also, I'm not vollkan

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I think Seraphim is town too, but that doesn't change the fact that switching a vote multiple times--only one of which was explained (poorly, however) is still suspect.

Derp, so you're mudslinging.
Tack that on.
Yeah this kid is pretty ridiculously obviously scum, and you should all sheep me because usually when I get this feeling, I'm right and people don't listen and then we lose.
So we should just listen and not lose.

So I can't criticize someone if I think they're town? I can't voice a valid concern?

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You're basically setting up to keep all your options open by making posts like that, making it easy to slide from wagon to wagon as the winds of change blow.

No. I'm telling someone to stop being such a little bitch and explain their votes
You are just looking at what I said as if you already know my allignment. Thus, with that bias in mind, you are immediately assuming that I'm setting up future arguments and lynches when I am actually just saying what I said. That is, "stop being anti-town"

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Some of those are null. SOme of those are genuine. Some of those I disagree with. Don't see what you're getting at, Hiraki. Everything's null in mafia.

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Here’s the deal Spyrex – Vote for Hiraki-scum and as I offered to AGar I’ll support your Toasty push tomorrow.

Making deals. Thats pro-town.

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^^was getting to that

1) SpyreX's role-fishing thing was a valid question. I obviously moved my vote and am not calling him scum, so...
2) Meransiel wagon: Like I have the worst reasons for being on that wagon. Votes to content ratio was terribad for Meransiel. He also kept deflecting peoples suspicions as attempts for a PL, which, at the time, seemed idiotic (but apparently GreyICE just wanted him dead). Magna, I can probably find an instance in every game I've played in which I've used flip-flopping votes as a scum tell.

3**) For those bitching about the math: Since when is using numbers a scumtell? Its just done rarely.

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Fucking BS, but, hey, if your deal leads to a scum lynch, no problems there

@Mod: Dekes hasn't responded in 14 days. His V/LA ended on Monday

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Notice how little effort I'm putting into pushing a Toasty lynch? That's because that's about the maximum effort I see being put into a Hiraki lynch. "Guys, he's obvscum." doesn't cut it for me, so I'm not shifting my vote until at the very least I see something more than just "Well you should vote him because he's obvscum."

That sure is the way to play as town! Just be as uninformative as everyone else! Put minimal effort because thats what everyone else is doing! Its almost as townie as lynching someone because of a deal!

And reasons HAVE been given as to why Hiraki is hella scummy. What r u readin?

Except you're not. You say you are, but you're not. As town, if you see Seraphim, there is no reason to say "OMG EXPLAIN YOUR VOTE" because that brain up there might go "Hmm.... he might be doing this for a reason."
Like... notice how NO ONE ELSE who has town-reads on Sera freaked when he voted like that?

I am not

anyone else

. The bottom line is that I found it suspicious, so I fucking called him out on it. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THAT. Srsly, for all your talk about how strongly you feel about my lynch and how I'm not doing anything, you really can't find reasons for a case on me.

Your points are crap. This deal is crap. Its so obvious how scum is just eating up this MoI deal.

There has not been one thing people have called me out on that I would consider scummy. D3 sure is gonna be fun.

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whelp, I enjoyed my role, other than the dying part and getting blocked.

@Hiraki: Mario seemed to predictable to put in. Uncharted ftw.