mini 1256: Marius and Sulla, over!

[mykonian]

While under the Gracchi, the populares had already showed what they were capable of, their idealism had kept them from being really succesfull. This changed under Gaius Marius, an charismatic general and politician, who relied on the support of the people. It was this Marius who saved the republic by the marian reforms, and in that made it certain the republic could never stay. However, the struggle between this populistic politician and the established politicians would make him just as famous as his reforms. Where he relied on the plebeiers, optimates like Lucius Cornelius Sulla based their power in the senate, in the old politics.

And it wasn't that Sulla and Marius had been enemies since they were born. Sulla had served under marius in several wars, and they gained successes together. Where Marius was the general in fight against numidians and teutones, Sulla served in his staff. It was not until later that these great men in the history of Rome came to stand on opposite sides. When sulla was given the command for the first Mithridatic War, Marius tried to get via clever machinations in the senate to get control himself, and succeeded in this.

The result was that Sulla marched on Rome to revert this decision. He exiled Marius and many supporters and made sure he placed Rome in the hands of consuls he could trust. Lucius Cornelius Cinna and Gnaeus Octavius were left in control, while Sulla would face the threat of Mithridates in the east.

However, it soon became clear that Cinna had political ideas which had much in common with Marius, and when Cinna got into trouble in the senate, he made the logical alliance. Sulla wasn't that popular for being the first who marched on Rome, while Marius had done great things for the republic and was considered a hero. By force, Cinna got Marius back into Rome. When entering the city, Marius showed how ruthless a general and polician has to be. He ordered many of his political opponents to be killed and literally cut down much of the support that Sulla still had.

That left the republic in an odd situation. Marius and Cinna might be in power in Rome, but Sulla had shown he was able to do the unthinkable and use his legions to force Rome, and he was still out there. At the moment he was still occupied with Mithridates, but after that war had finished, what would happen then?

Alive

Fenchurch
Cogito Ergo Sum
VitaminR
kiwieagle

Dead

Faraday, Gnaeus Papirius Carbo,

vanilla town

was lynched D1
Fishythefish, Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus,

town busdriver

was killed N1
Ellibereth, Gaius Julius Ceasar,

vanilla town

was lynched D2

[mykonian]

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[mykonian]

Role PM's have been sent. The game starts when you post.

[Faraday]

Vote Fenchurch

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: Fenchurch

[VitaminR]

Vote: Faraday

[Fishythefish]

VOTE: Faraday

[Faraday]

Vote: Faraday

Don't make me venge kill you.

[Fenchurch]

VOTE: kiwieagle

Oh my gosh romans... I read the whole opening post but I still understand nothing about this theme.

[Ellibereth]

F[???????????????????] is scum.
And Elli is V/LA on weelends.

[Fenchurch]

CES: how do you feel about your role?

VitR: explain your vote on Faraday please.

Faraday: serious softclaim, or idle threat?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Oh my gosh romans... I read the whole opening post but I still understand nothing about this theme.

It's basically populism vs. oligarchy.

CES: how do you feel about your role?

I don't respond to rolefishing.

[Fishythefish]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CES

For acknowledging, but not judging, Fenchurch's blatant rolefishing.

[Ellibereth]

Fishy they're masons screwing arouuund
chill.

[Fenchurch]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: CES

It's not rolefishing.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

For acknowledging, but not judging, Fenchurch's blatant rolefishing.

How would you tell the difference?

(While I do agree it's pretty blatant rolefishing, it's also almost certainly unintentional.)

[Fenchurch]

Asking for your reaction to a role isn't the same as rolefishing, and blunt refusal to answer = scummy.

Okay how about this: what

alignment

are you? How do you feel about it?

[Fishythefish]

For acknowledging, but not judging, Fenchurch's blatant rolefishing.

How would you tell the difference?

(While I do agree it's pretty blatant rolefishing, it's also almost certainly unintentional.)

Well... you said she was rolefishing, but didn't comment on whether that was scummy. I'd expect town to do both.

What makes you think the rolefish was "almost certainly unintentional"?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I think it was transparently non-scummy for the same reason it was almost certainly unintentional. Unless scum is notably gutsy or inexperienced, they just don't do that sort of stuff unprovoked.

Asking for your reaction to a role isn't the same as rolefishing, and blunt refusal to answer = scummy.

You

really

don't see how my reaction might depend on my role?

Okay how about this: what

alignment

are you? How do you feel about it?

How do you know what you know?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

E.g. Fenchurch was apparently just testing my long-term memory.

[Faraday]

Unvote

RVS over.

[Faraday]

Vote Fishy

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote

RVS over.

Oh you.

[Fishythefish]

@Faraday: why?

[Ellibereth]

because you don't believe what you're saying you believe.