Mini 1259: RPG Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Oversoul]

Fate daykilled again? Am I like one of the only people who like him as a player and think he is good?

Anyway, I don't like Pinkie Pie. Looks like reaction fishing for the actual Templar.

VOTE: Pinkie Pie

[Oversoul]

I think it is revenge cause Fate hit on Katsuki and they are both guys or something like that.

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Regardless of Fate's status I still think it is fishing and don't like it.

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*facepalm*

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I think it is safe to say that RVS is over and any more fail posts like Shadow Dancers will be met with extreme inquisition.

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*loads shotgun*

wait, what the fuck? AV can be voted?

pedit:

lol, your effort is laudable, PP.

[Oversoul]

Sure, I don't really care. You won't find scum motive because I'm not scum. I've been up front about everything. That play of yours was horrible.

The jokiness and thought of being unaccountable is the exact reason why I hate RVS.

[Oversoul]

Timeater, you've played with me before, but you rage site flaked out of the game.

Hindu for a vig shit is good since that Jester comment, the tag slip, etc.

Can we have links to that Dead QT? Or is that ongoing game and all? :\

[Oversoul]

My point was: the wagon is bad, oversoul is a bit scummy

fate is just null because he always likes to quicklynch/get someone to L-1 pretty quick.

Your basis for this Oversoul is scummy is a link to a damn troll website. If you wanted to use that, you should have joined Slaxx's game. O_o

Can you explain why Junpei's post was filled with useless quotes other than saying so?

Do you think your play is any different between [redacted] and this game? I think you know what I game I am talking about.

[Oversoul]

Timeater, I think it is proven from that game you raged out of, you can't read me.

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I know that game didn't have anything to do with that, I know I didn't have anything to do that, I am saying though that you did not read me correctly.

[Oversoul]

@Time- Lots of nervous energy there. Knowing that I'm here and reading, why the rush?

@Hindu- Yeah, that seemed like a copy-paste scumslip to me. Like you were posting there for feedback before main thread posting.

Unvote.
Vote: Hinduragi

@Fate- I understand that because of their meta on the two players hydras that you think they are scum. Perhaps you could explain why Hindu is town using Meta. Not getting the links to the QTs, so if that is part of it you need to clear it up.

Very bad post, Peregrine.

What does your statement of nervous energy there mean? Do you mean in yourself which is why you are slow to posting? Or do you mean in Timeater's post, which is protown for calling out lurkers?

After thinking about the situation and the "scumslip" by Hindu, I don't think it is likely. You cannot quote things in the QuickTopic, and when you copy and paste, the tags are not saved. Unless he already posted in the QuickTopic a post relevant to that, edited it to be different, and then copied, would I give you that it was a slip.


Generally, people are not willing to post complete posts and thoughts on a game because it only has the chance to bleed through during the game. I am still suspicious of Hindu, but I am not going to lynch him. Where is Pinkie? he is kinda playing the way Fate described him >_> avoiding the spotlight.

He completely addresses Fate in a non stance taking position at all and is content with not really committing to anything.

Fate, how do you know you were silenced? And what words were silenced? Personally I would have chosen the word vote, but that might not be allowed.

Has Baby Spice even posted?

Flinter looks extremely cautious as well as Kiwieagle and in turn that makes me cautious of them. >_>

[Oversoul]

Junpei, are you voting Fate primarily because of his meta or the fact that he is spamming up the thread and you appear to be acting on anger and a vendetta against him?

Kiwi, you are a troll lol. Bard is a very scummy role and basically a dream for scum, but yes, if I was scum and had the bard skill I would have used it to remove people's ability to vote.

If I was town and bard I would have used it as an innocent child machine. Fate, your restriction is permanent if it is level 3.

I also got the last role on my list like Kiwi. :\

[Oversoul]

Junpei, you're retarded. Hindu is probably doing that so town has more daylight to make a damn decision.

Ya I had like 4-5 role list but of course, I get the last freaking role. The RNG likes to fuck with me.

[Oversoul]

THE BATTERY

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Ya. I need to read things more carefully. I didn't see that the roles would be randomly chosen (I would have given like a list of 2 roles ) from our choices, I didn't realize until someone pointed it out earlier that scum have daytalk (and they got pregame time to discuss their roles? what is that shit?), and that you don't gain any skill points as the game progresses

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Junpei, are you seriously taking Fate's mason comment for fact? Mason's don't exist in this damn game >_>

Stop taking things so literally, you can't do that with Fate >_>

[Oversoul]

He is a neighborizer and can only do that to dead people so... obvious joke is obvious and it looks like Junpei is tunneling Fate because he has a wagon on him.

[Oversoul]

Wait.. There's no battery in this game.

FAIL >_>

Just got two of my most recent games mixed up. I retract my retarded statement, Junpei. You're still too literal.

[Oversoul]

Are you serious, Peregrine? Please answer this question.

pedit: that limits the amount of fun you could have had with the word vote. :p And you can always get around names, isn't that right Timeeater?

[Oversoul]

Hindu isn't voting him for voting the mod, you do realize that? I think Pinkie's iso proves that they are not interested in moving this game a long and scum are most likely on Fate's wagon with them.

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Why the fuck would you claim your other two points? :faceplam:

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ARE YOU SERIOUS KIWIEAGLE? A LIE DETECTOR IS INSANELY GOOD FOR FUCKING TOWN. WE COULD HAVE ENDED THIS WHOLE CRAP IF YOU MADE EVERYONE SAY "I am aligned with town" or some shit. YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A LIVE FOR THE RESULT TO COME IN.

[Oversoul]

Kiwi.... please go to another corner. I'm crying in this one.

[Oversoul]

We lynch that person and then lynch you if you are lieing? 1 for 2 isn't *that* bad for town.

[Oversoul]

I dont think you can confirm someone else, only yourself.

Which would be gay and my favoritism towards the bard would be dead as a bird hit by a rock.

AV, does the Bard have any ability to mondconfirm another player's statement?

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ITT Kiwi fails at Upick

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AV, does the Bard have any ability to mondconfirm another player's statement?

The Bard can only modconfirm his own statements.

LIKE A BIRD. HIT BY A STONE.

[Oversoul]

Not that bad if Mastin is the replacement.

[Oversoul]

A relative recently died... I am sorry if I am not able to give this game my full attention. Letting everyone know.

[Oversoul]

I didn't read the playerlist closely. The only person I was considering WotCing was oversoul, but figured I should give him another chance. I actually just realized that RBT was in the game, and now I'm very upset over that fact.

Are you still butthurt about TV Show Mafia? Dude, I lurked intentionally that game to test a scum lurker meta. Made me chuckle reading this post though.

HAI Mastin. although he does claim to do better replacing in later, we will see how this goes.

[Oversoul]

I have a similar scenario currently

[Oversoul]

Peregrine or Junpei they are the scums.

VOTE: Peregrine

I highly doubt that both of his buddies would not be on his lynch, but it is a possibility.

[Oversoul]

How do you know that scum life drained you?

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If the mod had to tell you that means you don't have one of your passives for the time being. I *really* misread all of these roles.

Fate, I would never question your towniness.

[Oversoul]

I am up for a mass claim.

[Oversoul]

LOL sorry Timeater. I'm the vagabond.

I was targetted by someone last night.

[Oversoul]

I can confirm that Timeater is the Assassin. I was nervous about his alignment because his play seemed off with regards to Hindu and Fate calling me obvtown and I didn't want to target Fate cause I knew he would get fucked and I wanted to be sure of the Pinkie Pie wagon. Safe to say that there was no scum on the Pinkie wagon.

[Oversoul]

I want Peregrine to claim.

[Oversoul]

It was my last choice :\

[Oversoul]

Might as well claim it. Someone targetted me last night, making my pickpocket an instant activation tonight. I will claim who I am targetting tonight so that if they don't claim their skill reduced, they are lieing.

[Oversoul]

Actually, I just realized we have one scum anyway (Nielwarren) so no reason to wait. Hindu you claim next.

[Oversoul]

I knew Fate was going to get targetted by the scum or some other townie (Kiwi) so I didn't want to make him even more mad. plus, I was fairly sure he was town and didn't need to be reduced.

I think you can guess my skill allocation between Timeater's claim and my claim. I didn't crumb either so ya lol.

[Oversoul]

Why did you get more than one rank of pickpocked OS?

I cant think of any reason for a townie to not build vagabond 2-0-1 (as that can be confirmed) or 1-1-1 (as that also can be confirmed).

Cause I liked the rolecop and roleblock mix. My pickpocket ability also targets all level 3 skills, and then if there is no level 3 skill, it is random.

Sorry, Timeater. :\

Unless Flinter is scum, all of the scum were not on Pinkie Pie yesterday which is a good map for the rest of the game.

And the bitch who targetted me, you are gonna have to kill me if you want to fuck with me.

[Oversoul]

Hmm... I see what Mimic could have done.

I didn't get more than 1 in sidestep since I thought it would be highly unlikely to be targetted by more than 1 ability. I didn't want Mimic because I wanted the rolecop+roleblock in 2.

Originally, I thought everyday we survived a lynch, we got 1 skill point. So I was going to build up my character by going 1-0-2 to 1-1-2 to 2-1-2. But ya... I misread EVERYTHING in this game lol.

[Oversoul]

And whoever targetted me is probably scum as well since many people were calling me conftown the other day.

Timeater, you can choose to not believe me, but whatever. And that post right there is why I targetted you to make sure. >_>

[Oversoul]

LOL I love how scum are locked into their actions last night.

[Oversoul]

Templar?

[Oversoul]

Either the Barbarian Immortal or the Vanquisher... everything else doesn't make sense. Since you like to get lynched a lot I am going to go with Vanquisher to fuck with the scum on your wagon?

[Oversoul]

Vanquisher and Monk were my top 2 choices :\

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We can't lynch the Nielwarren because all of the passives Fate could have given him are incredibly annoying.

[Oversoul]

Fate, are you the Barbarian Immortal? The other passives would lead you to have more information?

LOL FUCK YOU KIWI

[Oversoul]

Ya. Fate just add an F or a U to fuck and you're good.

[Oversoul]

AV, can you be modkilled for not following a Post Restriction?

[Oversoul]

I fail at reading.

[Oversoul]

Fate, did I guess it right though?

[Oversoul]

Stop crying about losing your Neurotoxin. It was a goddamn accident.

[Oversoul]

I wanted to make sure that Timeater was town. He claimed he was targetted so he is town. It was an accident that he targetted Peregrine who is likely scum on the same night I targetted him. :\

[Oversoul]

Fate

(3) - Riceballtail, Junpei, Pinkie Pie

[L-4]

flinter

(0)

Hinduragi

(1) - PeregrineV

[L-6]

Junpei

(0)

kiwieagle

(0)

mastin2

(0)

Mist Beauty

(0)

Oversoul

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Pinkie Pie

(7) -

Hinduragi

,

Oversoul

,

Fate

,

Timeater

,

kiwieagle

, flinter,

mastin2

[Lynch]

Riceballtail

(0)

Shadow Dancer

(0)

Timeater

(0)

Not Voting (2): Mist Beauty, Shadow Dancer

Hindu threatened to use his Monk power to kill Pinkie. Town.
I am town because I know my alignment, I claimed and everything. I have nothing to hide.
Fate is town because he was targetted by the Nielwarren and Kiwi.
Kiwi is town because he censored the fword... on Fate.
Mastin is town because of his flip.
Flinter is the only one we don't know.

[Oversoul]

I don't think that Timeater is scum. ;_; Well, now at least. >_>

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I HAVE RANK 2 OF PICKPOCKET AND 1 IN SIDESTEP

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RBT CLAIM NOW I SEE YOU LURKING

[Oversoul]

Goes what idea?

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We have two roleblockers + an ability blocker. If we lynch the Nielwarren and then target separate people highly unlikely a kill attempt will be made. Right?

[Oversoul]

Riceballtail, fucking claim.

[Oversoul]

But Nielwarren is scum. ;_;

wait. The first Irium nectar you use is the type of power it has for the rest of the game? Damn.

[Oversoul]

Someone fails at reading more than me. ;_;

[Oversoul]

Why are we running up Fate?

RBT, why didn't you track? Anyone?

[Oversoul]

LOL SO YOU ARE THE NIELWARREN

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Junpei

[Oversoul]

I DID NOT SCUM CLAIM AND SCUM CAN LIE ABOUT THEIR CLASS ABILITIES.

They are confirmable when they claim...

Does the person who targetted me want to confess?

[Oversoul]

Junpei, claim now.

[Oversoul]

CLAIM JUNPEI CLAIM

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SERIOUSLY JUNPEI LMAO

[Oversoul]

Peregrine? LOL

High Priest is the scummiest class.

[Oversoul]

LOL I bet the scums listed the same exact list for all 3 best classes so they would be guaranteed those roles.

[Oversoul]

Ya, I would prefer RB on Junpei, lynch the Nielwarren, but I am happy with the way things are now.

WHY WOULD HE BUS NECROMANCER?

[Oversoul]

Selfmeta: Anyone who tries to make crap accusations about me gets my suspicion. Thanks for letting me suspect you even more.

[Oversoul]

Ya, he is trying to play on Timeater's suspicions of me.

Junpei, I don't care if we RB you because we already have like 3 RBs which is more effective than a doctor in my opinion. Plus, Hindu can doctor if he really wants to so not that big of a loss.

Junpei, are you still mad that I won TV Show Mafia? :troll:

[Oversoul]

Timeater is enjoying watching this.

[Oversoul]

Claim, Flinter.

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ok.

Flinter, claim. Now.

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Kiwi thoughts? Target claim?

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Mist, claim. Now.

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Flinter... fucking claim.

Mist, please claim too.

[Oversoul]

Special Bonus: Second Wind
If you successfully sidestep an action, your next skill use will be resolved first and therefore cannot be interfered with in any way

I was notified that Second Wind would activate on Night 2 meaning that someone targetted me last night and I sidestepped it.

[Oversoul]

Very pretty post though.

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Mist ;_; you're the Nielwarren? Why would you do that to Fate?

Timeater, since you don't trust me, direct my pickpocket.

[Oversoul]

You targetted me as well?

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You said I wouldn't be around for the next day. I thought you targetted me cause someone did. O.o

[Oversoul]

Did you gain my ability though? My role? If you did you are literally untargettable tonight.

[Oversoul]

Well, Nielwarren is a scummy role like Necromancer and High Priest, but you haven't really acted like scum. I would like it, if you had the ability, to check Mastin's bones since you can't be killed because of Fate's ability/messed up with my ability. You don't have to reply to this post.

Peregrine is my second choice as he is just generally scummy. Mod, prod on Pere

[Oversoul]

Junpei, who would you protect ifyou had someone degrading play, but was essentially confirmed town, and someone with a better playstyle, but was nowhere near being confirmed town?

[Oversoul]

Mist...

...

When people do PBP they need to link posts... now I have to open up multiple tabs, and I have to do the BBcoding to make it easy for people to follow what we're saying. Anyway, I'll respond to everything soon.

Also I agree with Mist that we shouldn't have announced or skillpoints... but at this point everyone has,

but I still don't think Mist should.

What was Mist's role again?

wat.

We still need the mystic + Templar to claim. Templar is likely not scum due to d1 bs with Pinkie Pie

[Oversoul]

Junpei, please address that part of your post. You are against Mist claiming fully, for the very fact that she is claiming build? Do you not see how illogical that is given what has happened, and what will likely happen (timeater's most recent posts)?

Junpei, you need 2 votes to be hammered so you got time.

[Oversoul]

Timeater, this is what happens when an unstoppable force (you) meets an immovable object (Mist). Think it is best to move on and let everyone else build+character claim.

Shadow, what are you? Claim now.

[Oversoul]

Wait, you think that Bone Tongue will actually tell us which ROLE is the killer?

mod, can you confirm this?

If the mod confirms, then Mist needs to full claim so that doctor can get on her (preferably we keep me alive and I can do it)

SHE IS BULLETPROOF FOR TONIGHT YOU DUMBIE

[Oversoul]

SCUM CLAIM!!! ^^^^^

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OH MY GOD FATE JUST SAID HE WONT FULLCLAIM HIS SKILLBUILD, AND I PRETTY MUCH KNOW HIS SKILBUILD BUT THAT DOESNT MATTER, JUNPEI AND PEREGRINEV, LETS MISLYNCH THIS FOOL

vote: Fate

Are you, are you serious? I don't see why it is problem when you can confirm or deny and he just wants to make it harder for scum when they try to kill him later.

[Oversoul]

Vig Peregrine. O.o

[Oversoul]

Dude, you were complaining about being the only logical person. What the heck are you spewing now?

[Oversoul]

Peregrine plox.

[Oversoul]

Junpei scumclaimed by saying that we needed him around for one more night because he is a doctor when Mist is obvious buleltproof for the night. Trying to buy himself time.

pedit:

I didn't think you addressed anything towards me? I thought you directed that question to Junpei but I will oblige.

Timeater, I thought he was scummy through his push and pull buddying yesterday with Fate and Hinduragi. Plus, he was trying to foist scumminess onto my slot so I investigated him. If he hadn't claimed he was reduced, he would have been scum in my opinion, but he did and when I claimed he follow through with his intentions yesterday so I believe he is town.

Hinduragi... I just feel like he is town. Pretty sure he was the first one to start the Pinkie wagon in the first place so it is unlikely he is scum.

Peregrine I find very scummy. He was actively making a stance against the Pinkie wagon by trying to undermine the cases of those on the Pinkie wagon and he solidified his vote on someone completely nonessential (Hindu). If he hadn't voted Hindu he would have been even more obvious scum, but I know he is a smart player and so he needed to make his ploy believable by letting his vote be useless. Shadow... I don't know. Have sorta good scum meta on him with Lemming Mafia, but he was more active then and so it doesn't seem like he is scum in this game.

[Oversoul]

yay we get one more confirmed scumbag yay

[Oversoul]

Vig Peregrine. Mystic is sorta scummy with the reflection and tieing yourself to a townie.

[Oversoul]

Vig Peregrine. O.o

He's a mystic. Just guess what skill he takes 3 points in.

"smoke and mirrors". I don't think Peregrine should be vigged. If it's succesful, he was town, if he's scum, we have a dead vig. Lets do that tomorrow and lynch Junpei first.

In general, I'm not feeling to great about people calling for a vig shot. It's a great thing because town has all control on it and scum have no influence. And scum is just too eager to point their fingers at someone else to vig.

Junpei wasn't hammered. Tim unvoted, which isn't surprising seen how little scumhunting he's doing and how much he is ignoring Junpei in favor of capsrage against mist about something as insignificant as a point distribution. He's just wasting way to much time and energy into that.


If I can do a little vig direction too: please don't shoot. There are enough dangerous roles to scum, and town are off to a good start. I think you should save up your shot for tomorrow or even after that where it can win the game for us.

Good point. Flinter is town for this post.

[Oversoul]

Wait. It isn't it night activated...

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Nope. Ok. No vigging Peregrine.

[Oversoul]

Ok what are your reads and logic in a quick summary post? You were too absorbed with the Fate rage that you didn't notice that.

[Oversoul]

Basically to Fate as well, yes.

His posts haven't really sat well with me but a lot of the other people were saying that he was town and all. Him clamoring up a storm, wanting massclaim and all, appear protown but scum can navigate the waters now. That aside I feel a gut lean towards town.

Junpei, I am going to give in to you because I feel bad for you. UNVOTE: Should give you more time hopefully to give us reads. Regardless of your alignment, it would help thinking about it now...

[Oversoul]

Vote: Pinkie Pie

First post of the game and a joke of a vote for the mod? Terrible. Picking a proper target wouldn't have made you this obvious, at least.

Second post of the game Fate lol. Technically he did. You spearheaded the campaign though

[Oversoul]

Hmm... Thinking about it, it would have been scummy for him to move his vote after you entered the game so... meh.

[Oversoul]

You were too absorbed with the Fate rage to notice that Mist had taken on Fate's BP ability and doesn't need protection.

[Oversoul]

And I have to write an essay too. >_> See you guys tomorrow

[Oversoul]

Fulfill his reads list comment.

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I'll be waiting, Junpei.

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Timeater, if you want Junpei to say something, you will unvote if some stray poster comes in here and hammers. Ya, it has been decent. I thought it was a fail hamemr on your part, but it is a gambit so all good.

[Oversoul]

Why do you want to kill the Derp towns for the reason they are derp? >_>

Peregrine shot is a bad idea because he is a barbarian mystic and SD will likely kill himself. Ideally if Peregrine and Junpei are scum it would be kill Junpei, lynch Peregrine, but SD wants to wait until tomorrow so..

[Oversoul]

If Peregrine has level 3 in reflection... LOL

[Oversoul]

shadow + mist

has to be

OR mist + junpei

At first I thought you were nuts and blitzoiged as much as Charlie Sheen, but then I thought there could be credence given their roles... hmm.

There could be an interesting mechanic going on with Nielwarren + High Priest, but I don't know you.

[Oversoul]

Whatever. We will out one scum regardless with Mist's ability so nbd.

and lol.

ebwop: I don't know you was meant to read "I don't know with you"

[Oversoul]

If Peregrine flips scum attached to a townsperson Junpei is almost assuredly scum.

If Junpei flips scum then Peregrine is scum as well. I have more crackpot theories but I will save them for later.

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You can't do NAR with these sort of roles in my opinion. This is the same exact problem that consumed the fucking town in the end of Brightest Day (ugh).

Here is my theory of how things go down (without referencing to NAR)

Timeater delays Peregrine
Peregrine uses Smoke and Mirrors
Junpei Heals Peregrine

Since Smoke and Mirrors is not an automatic passive skill (and dear god if it was), Smoke and Mirrors will not take affect until the next night because of Timeater's delay. Because of the delay, the Heal actually went through. As such, Peregrine should not have any passive abilities currently.

If Peregrine's power was a passive you would theoretically be delaying yourself for the rest of the game, or explode because of fucking with the laws of physics (your action would not succeed).

This little couplet of power roles is interesting and could be a scum gambit...

AV, can one scum member, regardless of how many teammates he has, submit the kill order AND perform his own action?

If the above is true then Peregrine and Junpei are probably scum as it is a nice little way for Junpei to make himself a Bullet Proof Godfather for 1 night, perhaps even more.

Junpei would infuse the truth of his action, knowing that his own ability would be reflected back at him due to Peregrine activating Smoke and Mirrors with Peregrine submitting the kill and remaining impervious to any other action during the night.

Another cute interplay that is less likely is the Nielwarren Lifedraining the Special Bonus from the High Priest giving the scumteam the potential to all be godfathered in one night. However, that is less likely as I doubt a special bonus can be Life Drained. I have more to reveal about the Nielwarren tomorrow, but so much setup speculation at a crucial moment isn't going to help. I will say that, my ability notified me that the victims would be notified of their ability change, a commonality I believe is shared between Life Drain and Silence.

I have one monster of a crackpot (in its absurdity) that I am waiting to drop depending on the flip of Junpei.

That is what I meant by the above post, Mist.

pedit:

Kiwi could have done some mischievous things and is another crackpot theory of mine so...

How do we know he was targetted 3 times? Peregrine, please clarify.

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I was apparently targeted 3 times last night from what I gather.

I'd like to hear why I was selected, as in what were you hoping/thinking to accomplish by targeting me?

Oh shit, interesting. Somebody lied. Now I see what hind was saying

I think that is Peregrine failing at math or scumslipping. Only two people have claimed an action on Peregrine unless I am blind. No other information unless otherwise told can lead to that conclusion he made.

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oh god, Smoke and Mirrors can become a passive skill. O_o For the purpose of action resolution though, I think it acts as an unlimitedly activated ability. Or at least it

should

be considered that when dealing with a roleblocker. :\

Timeater, be quiet right now. Mist isn't scummy, the only thing that is scummy is the reasoning she used for targetting her second person, which yes, she did claim and you are dumb if you can't infer it from her posts and the information already available to you.

[Oversoul]

RBT and Peregrine you best be contributing to this thread soon.

[Oversoul]

unvote

On this moment, I fear things aren't making enough sense to me. The question asked above by mist is the question I have too.

And I made a silly mistake, but I hope nobody finds out about that.

Yep.

Do we know 100% certain that junpei targeted peregrineV?

No we don't, and you are like my twin sister. It's the only point that keeps the Junpei case alive. And of course, your second question I can answer halfway: per didn't take 3 points in smoke and mirrors.

How do you know?

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What are you again? Valua? I can already guess...

[Oversoul]

Here is my theory of how things go down (without referencing to NAR)

Timeater delays Peregrine

Peregrine uses Smoke and Mirrors
Junpei Heals Peregrine

Since Smoke and Mirrors is not an automatic passive skill (and dear god if it was), Smoke and Mirrors will not take affect until the next night because of Timeater's delay.

Junpei would infuse the truth of his action, knowing that his own ability would be reflected back at him due to Peregrine activating Smoke and Mirrors with

Peregrine submitting the kill

and remaining impervious to any other action during the night.

@Oversoul- please reconcile this leap of illogic. If I was delayed how am I performing anything?

That was my other question that I was going to ask when AV answered my first one. My point still stands as Junpei could have simply submitted the kill, but it would be safer if you did it.

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You still haven't explained how you know 3 people visited you...

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And Peregrine, what is your view of the night action conundrum between you and Timeater?

[Oversoul]

Pere have you read the thread in its entirety? not skimming?

[Oversoul]

Logical discontinuities. EVERYWHERE.

[Oversoul]

Timeeater's Neurotoxin:

Creep up behind a target player and inject a toxin into their nervous system, delaying any action they take during the night phase until the following night

So any action I perform would not have taken place last night. And a kill happened anyway. So, I'm asking you to logically explain how you believe Time and still think I performed ANY night action.

You are arguing against my own set of night resolutions that I explicitly stated in my post right? With my set of night action resolution, you would be correct, but your first post implies that you know Timeater's set of night action resolutions *is* correct. Which one is it? Did Timeater target himself or is my set correct?

You still haven't explained how you know 3 people visited you...

Two confessed. How did Fate know he was level drained?

Fate was notified via PM that he had lost his ability, just as Timeater was notified via PM that he had lost a point in his skill.

And Peregrine, what is your view of the night action conundrum between you and Timeater?

Since AV said he considers the powers in terms of game abilities, I assume he used the NAR.
The way I read it, if I used MSoke and Mirrors I would think it goes first. To hear AV say it, it doesn't sound like it.

Bingo. Logical discontinuity.

I am the Barbarian Mystic.

And for everyone that targeted last night, Id like to hear discussion on why they choose that person, and what they hoped to accomplish.

I was apparently targeted 3 times last night from what I gather. I'd like to hear why I was selected, as in what were you hoping/thinking to accomplish by targeting me?

And it took you an hour to come up with the above???

I don't know. I read, went to lunch, came back. I'm now answering questions, but giving as little info to the scum team as I have to. How long should it take?

Pere have you read the thread in its entirety? not skimming?

Yes, but only once and some parts twice. Of course, to talk about it makes me scummy, so I'm not sure of the point of the question.

So you read the thread once, and some parts twice, yet you don't know that only 2 people have actually targetted you, and that both of them gave their reasoning when they claimed? You are lieing.

[Oversoul]

Does it delay all actions or just one?

Which is why I want AV to come in and answer my questions. My point still stands and the only difference is that Junpei submitted the kill and not Peregrine.

[Oversoul]

Then Peregrine is confirmed to have not submitted the kill.

[Oversoul]

What would a GreyIce player do for this game?

[Oversoul]

Vote: Oversoul

Yes, Time targeted me, as said by Time.
Junpei targeted me, as said by Junpei.
A third person targeted me, as said by Mod.

and let's dig into what AV said that you are trying to say I said.

I don't really want to talk about specific role-on-role interactions.
I will say that I'm using NAR, and that you can probably figure it out from that.

Sure, maybe I need to clarify what the equivalents would be:
I'm treating a Delayer as a type of Roleblocker, and a Reflector as a type of Redirector.

You can use NAR to figure out the rest. I mean, that's what I used to work through role interactions when making the setup. It's not like I'm hiding anything, I just don't want to say "This is what will happen when X" because its up to you as players to come to those conclusions yourself.

From the wiki

Paradox and Ambiguity

Sometimes the actions that might affect each other form a loop, so that there's no action to pick in step 1. In other cases, the order of two actions matters but it isn't clear that one affects the other. When that happens, pick an action to resolve in this order:
Copy
Hide
Bus
Block- Delayer
Redirect- Reflector
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

pedit: yes, but how was that so hard to figure out when you've already stated the order of what happened, and the mod also stated.

ppedit: too fast for this pedit crap, you'll get a post for each thing needing a response.

Where did the mod say that another person targetted you?

Kiwi.... I think you are the one to answer for this...

[Oversoul]

And my theory can still be potentially correct, as I have said 3 times before, Peregrine.

[Oversoul]

Shadow claimed an innocent on Mist. RBT claimed no action.

Hmmm.

Unless it is Mastin, but didn't Mastin say that Peregrine was scummy before he died? And we would be able to confirm the second ability and the first one seems incredibly bad if Mastin viewed Peregrine as scummy...

pedit:

I believe you Kiwi

omfg, literally the 7th time I have hit submit.

[Oversoul]

Hmm. That is odd. What did the mod say in the PM? Other than you were targetted? All of the notification abilities have been claimed by the victim and the user. The only one left is Alua, which you would know if the PM had the word Intimidate in it.

[Oversoul]

Why would AV need to notify Peregrine of either action though?

pedit:

Mist, I did not investigate you. What are you talking about?

Mist, the mod PMed him that a person had targetted him, just like Timeater received a PM that someone had stolen his skill point and that Fate received a PM that someone had stolen his passive ability.

Junpei, you said you were working on them already? The last 7 pages has been fluff set up speculation anyway. Except for my case on Peregrine that is quickly falling apart...

[Oversoul]

I don't understand how Peregrine received any PM as there are no rolechanging/manipulating roles that don't have an opposite partner.

[Oversoul]

God damn, Peregrine. Was it that hard to say that. Jesus.

[Oversoul]

Oh, I thought you had set aside time for the essay and the reads, my bad Junpei. I didn't mean to accuse you of anything, I was just curious. And a proper reread is to not let any future events cloud your judgment on past events except when you want.

pedit:

Peregrine, I had a feeling that Flinter targetted you or you targetted her. You were just slow in a response and the speculation quickly swooped in.

Shadow, Flinter targetted him with a level 1 Intimidate.

[Oversoul]

*scratches chin*

Interesting....

[Oversoul]

Junpei is gonna be so mad.

Ya, I just wanted an answer to my question because it didn't make any sense at all.

Timeater, it has already been claimed. ;_; for the love of god. lol

[Oversoul]

RBT YOU ARE TRACKING SOMEONE TONIGHT AND YOU ARE CLAIMING FIRST TOMORROW

[Oversoul]

I have a town read on Mist and Flinter and Hindu. I support an RBT investigation/lynch tomorrow though.

Junpei, you are still alive btw.

pedit:

And that confirms its.

[Oversoul]

I'll vote him once he gives his reads. Junpei, do you have a lot of time? Shouldn't take more than 3 hours in one sitting at the max.

[Oversoul]

What do you mean, Timeater?

Flinter, you would have received a PM.... did you receive a PM saying your ability was stolen for a night?

[Oversoul]

Are like 3 people capable of reading in this game? lol.

Fate smack 'em up

[Oversoul]

Junpei don't you even go down that damn alley. That is a blatant misrep and I was commenting on the sole fact that we were still spam posting.

[Oversoul]

And Peregrine isn't voting anyone else because he needs his vote on someone not named Junpei.

pedit:

Do you people actually BELIEVE Junpei? O_O

[Oversoul]

Until the fat lady sang, Peregrine, I *had* to speculate. Just because I was right with my speculation doesn't mean I already knew.

Can the misrep from the scumteam stop?

pedit:

Timeater, what the heck? >_> No mod is going to disclose that information to a player.

[Oversoul]

9:00 PM EST

So 2 1/2 hours from now.

I want your recap post by then.

And what character assassination?

[Oversoul]

I was going to Pickpocket Peregrine... but whatever. '.'

[Oversoul]

fuck. I thought Junpei was god damn town that was why I didn't want to hammer him. >_> RBT is retarded and if you have an investigation, use it on him.

[Oversoul]

Ya... he has a policy lynch vendetta on the person who wanted scum dead all day yesterday. That isn't looking good for him.

[Oversoul]

Mist, claim bone result NOW.

[Oversoul]

HINDU RBT WAS SUPPOSED TO CLAIM TODAY. >_>

[Oversoul]

RBT CLAIM YOU MOTHERFLIPPING LURKER

/end caps.

How was everyone's respite?

[Oversoul]

Lol. Can you clarify what you mean by your comment, Hindu? How did you find that out? Shadow you better be fucking kill someone today.

Timeater, you didn't really express suspicion of Fate yesterday... why do you say Fate today?

pedit:

Hindu, that doesn't make sense. Why would scum target Fate last night if he was scum? Unless you are saying that sarcastically?

[Oversoul]

So Fate doesn't have his BP

now

? Mist I want the bone claim on Mastin.

If it wasn't obvious... Mist has level 2 or more in that Life Drain ability. She targetted Fate and Me the other night (she activated my ability). She did not receive my ability though. Her reasoning? Because I was going to be away for the day and she wanted more information... that is pretty scummy since I am not really active at the moment due to an intense amount of school work. I don't think she is really scummy for anything other than that though.

[Oversoul]

Good point. Fate is very likely town from that then isn't he?

[Oversoul]

I'm surprised they didn't go after the tracker though. Hmm...

[Oversoul]

Flinter/Mist?

[Oversoul]

I will only be satisfied with Fate and Hindu's alignment if Mist flips scum. Until then everything is possible. Yes. I am that paranoid.

[Oversoul]

Hindu, I still consider both you and Fate town, but Mist flipping Mafia puts any doubt out of my mind.

[Oversoul]

Sorry if I destroyed your gambit. But probably you should stop to just look out for fail scum...

And now to something completely different:

Dear scummy scumheads,

let's assume, just theoretically for now of course, that I had a guilty result on one of your scummy arses tonight... Now would probably a good time to start some bussing, just in case you haven't done it already. Or what do you think? I'll enjoy the show

Yours sincerely
- Shadow -

LOL they will probably go hyper lurker mode now.

[Oversoul]

If flinter was scum I would have thought she used it on Shadow seeing as he is a templar. :\

[Oversoul]

I can think of 3 people who can be killed because of Obv towniness... Odd that they would waste a night like that though.

[Oversoul]

Sorry if I destroyed your gambit. But probably you should stop to just look out for fail scum...

And now to something completely different:

Dear scummy scumheads,

let's assume, just theoretically for now of course, that I had a guilty result on one of your scummy arses tonight... Now would probably a good time to start some bussing, just in case you haven't done it already. Or what do you think? I'll enjoy the show

Yours sincerely
- Shadow -

He is waiting, Timeater. To see everyone's actions today. Let him wait until everyone has checked in.

*cough* RBT

AV, I want prods awaitin' on those fools who ain't talkin'

[Oversoul]

Shadow, can you seriously just shoot your guilty sooner than later?

You serious? Claim your damn action.

[Oversoul]

Can you seriously just do your thing already SD? The info I have may or may not be useful because of that.

I'm under the impression that SD wants us to tell him who to shoot. I'm in favor of him shooting Tim. I think Fate doesn't mind it either. Who would you want to be shot? Because if you aren't giving input, SD can hardly make a good decision.

You miss interpret. He wants SD to claim his guilty that he has.

[Oversoul]

Fate v Tim, Fate is looking better. Tim has always been pinging my scumdar but I just thought that was because he is useless. I don't like useless people.

[Oversoul]

My first sentence yes. The rest was just trolling. I do have a townier read on Fate then you though Tim.

[Oversoul]

1.

Mist Beauty

r. Abdiel Mother

3.

Fate

4.

flinter

5.

Hinduragi

7.

kiwieagle

8.

Oversoul

9.

PeregrineV

11.

Riceballtail

*
12.

Shadow Dancer

Barring any shenanigans from Shadow scum *have* to be in 3 people...

[Oversoul]

Can you seriously just do your thing already SD? The info I have may or may not be useful because of that.

This dude

is scum.

Literally has not voted anyone except for Fate on the first day using "Oh Fate distracts me from my reads blah blah I can't do anything until he is gone so lets kill him anyway"

His refusal to action something (and no action the first night? Like wtf is that shit. You definitely are setting up for that Track + Bomb combo).

VOTE: RBT

[Oversoul]

RBT claim now. You are being useless and probably newbie scum.

[Oversoul]

sigh.....

okay fate, if it gets to L-1 soon, I think I might just hammer. But I really want RBT to post and actually throw down a vote. And want the somewhat scummy players (rbt, kiwi, peregrineV, maaaybe flinter) and null players (shadowdancer, maaybe OS) to vote/go at each others throats while town(you, me, maybe hinduragi, maybe OS) eat popcorn.

oh and you think shadowdancer is town but fate is scum.


If thats the case, why dont you believe SD innocent on fate?

forgot to respond to this. probably not worth it, but I think fate is confirmed town. still doesn't mean I have to walk on eggshells around him and vice versa. shadowdancer isn't confirmed town and loses much towncred for today. I drained fate, and have meta on him if it matters. this statement is a reach. If 2 ppl being scum in terms of what your're saying Something remotely possible would be shadow moon and fate both being scum, but I really doubt that. much more likely just shadow dancer, but even that Idk. Mainly, you should have silenced yourself, and I don't think Fate is scum at all.

Both you and Fate are confirmed by Shadow... why do you *think* that he is not town? That implies you have insider knowledge and you know that Shadow is lieing about his investigations.

RBT has continued to be useless and is just general deadweight. How could we go from lynching scum day 1 to being so horrible now? :c

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:

RBT claim or die. If you are town it is the best thing to do, if you are scum continue with your uselessness.

[Oversoul]

What exact evidence on Per's skillbuild do we have?

His word.

[Oversoul]

Targeted by Oversoul last night who reduced one of my abilities.

It took some time to find. I thought thieves were considered a investigative role, which would make a redirection take place first. The fact that Per got targeted by oversoul means he can't have taken 3 in smoke an mirrors. Very surprising that Oversoul of all people forgot this. I included oversouls possible skills.

Sidestep

(passive)

Level One:

Having your reactions tested day-in, day-out, you easily avoid the first action used against you.

Level Two:

Having your reactions tested day-in, day-out, you easily avoid the first two actions used against you.

Level Three:

Having your reactions tested day-in, day-out, you easily avoid all actions used against you.

*Special Note: This cannot prevent the scum’s factional night kill.

Mimic

(active; night; vari-shot)

Level One:

Watching another player carefully, you copy any action that they take and use it on another player (1x).

Level Two:

Watching another player carefully, you copy any action that they take and use it on another player (2x).

Level Three:

Watching another player carefully, you copy any action that they take and use it on another player (∞).

*Special Note: This skill cannot copy the scum's factional night kill.

Pickpocket

(active; night activated; unlimited)

Level One:

Steal something useful from a target player’s pocket, informing you of the player’s role.

Level Two:

Steal something useful from a target player’s pocket, informing you of the player’s role, and reducing a random skill of theirs by one level until the next night phase.

Level Three:

Steal something useful from a target player’s pocket, informing you of the player’s role, reducing a random skill of theirs by one level for the rest of the game.

Special Bonus: Second Wind

If you successfully sidestep an action, your next skill use will be resolved first and therefore cannot be interfered with in any way.

You see my special bonus ability right there? ^

Ya. That is why my ability was successful on him. I am surprised you forgot this.

[Oversoul]

@Mist: The game started on the 10th. We have 5 days missing from nights. 24-15=9. Thanks for playing, but your blatant and terrible misrep is clearly noted.

@Fate: I remind you that personal attacks are not permitted on this site. Criticize the play, not the player. Like how your playstyle is overtly obnoxious and loud, almost to the point that I don't know why you bother playing this game when it seems like all you care about is trolling over winning.

Jesus... do you not see how close to a lynch you are? Everyone has asked you to claim, but you are content with being useless. Fate is absolutely right in his criticism of you as a player. You don't play. That isn't fun. You demonstrate insubordination against the town by ignoring everything that everyone is asking you. You can die regardless of your alignment for that.

VOTE: RBT

[Oversoul]

You really expect me to be compliant when you sit back and insult me? The entire case can be summed up in "useless". Which is only partly true. I may not be good at communicating reads, but when people play like fate has been, I find it very hard to accomplish anything until they calm down and act civil.

You are negative utility.

[Oversoul]

Ya. I don't understand why you are posting all of this, Hindu.

[Oversoul]

RBT + Flinter + Peregrine list is shrinking. I am fine with lynchings Flinter. How would lynching Flinter prove Shadow's claim, Fate? He investigated you I thought. O_o

And Mist, why didn't you have bone tongue...

[Oversoul]

Flinter, if you're vengeful that would actually be a plus since a couple of people think you are scummy + you can kill someone you think is scummy.

[Oversoul]

The fact that she is vengeful is a plus to the fact that I think she is scummy.

[Oversoul]

Shadow, who would you rather lynch? Peregrine? I am okay with that lynch too, but Flinter is probably going to die tonight.. so..

[Oversoul]

Meh. I believe Flinter.

[Oversoul]

Meh. I believe Flinter.

The fact that she is vengeful is a plus to the fact that I think she is scummy.

What?

I'm not allowed to change my mind? Interesting that you quoted those out of order, though.

Those evil, evil thoughts of a Fate gambit are creeping into my mind...

Peregrine, Shadow's play has been different from what I remember. I feel like he is having trouble adjusting to his scum role pm.

[Oversoul]

No, I'm asking you to explain why you went from A to B.

Well the way you quoted it would be B to A, but whatever.

Flinter seems genuine that she thinks Kiwi is scummy, and looks like she is actively trying to hunt for scum. Although she is tunneling Kiwi a bit... I also feel like her reads list wouldn't come from someone who is scum as that could be potentially damning should her scumpartner flip and such.

[Oversoul]

vote: Shadow Dancer

Ya Kiwi's case is actually compelling. And Shadow's omgus is noted.

[Oversoul]

I want to lynch Shadow now. Reading through his iso is depressing. UNVOTE: VOTE: Shadow Dancer

[Oversoul]

I want Over so dead now... Reading through his Iso is way too depressing.... Wait... Did I really just say that?

Over, what do you think about kiwi demanding flinters lynch first and then suddenly calling her town and voting for me

for defending town

?! Doesn't this remind you a lot of Anti's scum slip in "Back to the Future"? The irony is that it was Anti attacking kiwi there...

AHAHAHAHAHA. Shadow is most definitely scum, or retarded. I never played Back to the Future mafia so I have no idea what you are fucking talking about. FAILED BUDDY ATTEMPT, SHADOW.

You can stop the pretentious charade, Shadow. You aren't playing like town.

[Oversoul]

You weren't in BttF?! Was Lemming Mafia our only game together? And wtf? Failed buddy attempt? How is it a buddying attempt. Read that game, have a look at antifinities behaviour on the Maru waggon on D1 and tell me what kiwi just did does not remarkably look the same.

But look how kiwi cannot even stay consistent with his "reads"...
Post #1837:

[...]One of the reasons Flinter is null/leaning town is due to Shadows always seeming to passively defend her...[...]

Yes he did call flinter town.
Guess where his vote was before? -

flinter your case was a mess, I refuted it.

VOTE: Flinter

Seriously, it's day 4 - and all kiwi has to contribute to the discussion is this kind of stuff?

That post actually implies a couple of things, but I will let Kiwi explain himself. I have two scenarios in mind that make Kiwi's play town in that respect.

And now you just trying to play off that horrible post.

Why should I care what another person's scum meta is, if they aren't in this game?

[Oversoul]

Ya activity is a cyclic disease. once one person is inactive, then another, then another.

Unvote
Vote: Flinter

Venge Kiwi if you must, but this game is stagnating and needs to go somewhere.

[Oversoul]

Fate/Hindu scum team... highly unlikely, although Gandalf did say that Fate only catches him when there is further explanation needed...

out out, you damn thought. ._.

Someone lynch Flinter before I go crazy.

[Oversoul]

I'm going crazy, Fate. >_> Flinter needs to die.