Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

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here

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PL

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VOTE FORCE OF NATURE

DRUNK SCUMDAR SAYS SCUM

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lol u gon die bro

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oh the ellipses tell

vote furc

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bzzzzzzzzzt

Furc is scum, Pine, don't be silly. Implosion is town

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Heh, Force of Nature can be Town, at least for D1. Careless attitude right out of the box makes me think "this person is not concerned about how people think of him (them?)", ergo Town.

Vote: Implosion

Not a fan of hopping on an RVS wagon without the pretense of even an RVS reason.

um

I'm a little curious as to how FoN is town due to having a careless attitude/etc, yet implosion makes a reasonless vote on Furc which is obviously going to draw attention to himself, and that same town tell doesn't apply to him.

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You know just as well as I do that acting boisterous, unworried, and aggressive isn't a blanket town tell. In fact, if POWERFUL WIZARD is any indication, I have single-handedly made it so that it is a null tell, and not a town-tell. Site meta has adapted this boisterous style as well, and for all we know one of the members in FoN is SDC or SDC-lite. That's not a fucking town tell. You know better than that. Why are you so desperate to slap a town label on FoN?

And implosion blindly wagoning someone during RVS seems very much like implosion-town from what I remember of playing with him, not to mention the fact it successfully killed RVS.

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Full disclosure: Grimmjow is my boyfriend.

Didn't want anyone to have that sprung on them, in case they didn't know.

Anyway yeah he should get in here and vote for Furcolow.

PREDIT: Don't quit if Pine's scum, he's good.
What do you think about the ellipses tell?

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Examples of you using ellipses as town, please.

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none of those were RVS posts

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also Furcolow is a fucking liability anyway

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Well yes your town reads suck, as evidenced by [redacted] and other games we've played together. Which is why I'm even more confident implosion is town and Furc is scum.

It's not ellipses during speech that bothers me, it's the "Interesting..." type posts that trail off in an ellipses without any conclusion.

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/confirm ...

this

seriously

why would you confirm and go "..." unless you had some major guilt or psychological shit on your mind

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You're right, I want Furc dead no matter what. See: liability

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So triangle points out OMG GRIMM IS SCUM FOR SAYING PINE IS OBVTOWN and yet has nothing to say about me/FoN pointing out Furcolow is obvscum?

LAWL.

Vote: triangle123

Vig can take care of Furc, but I can't pass up a lynch on a hypocrite.

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Neither did Grimmjow.

He said he would stop playing if Pine was scum, aka he really thinks Pine is town, aka the same thing I said about Furcolow being scum but reversed.

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The joke-RVS thing after RVS was over was fucking retarded, but triangle is scummier.

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You're selectively choosing to hear what you want to hear in order to justify your terribad vote on Grimmjow.

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I'm not blowing anything out of proportion.

My degree of certainty of Furcolow being scum = Grimm's degree of certainty of Pine being town.

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what grimm shenanigans

im drunk

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WHY IS NOBODY SEEING THAT TRIANGLE IS DECLARING TOWN/SCUM READS WILLY-NILLY WITH NO REASON BEHIND THEM

THAT IS SCUM TACTICS 101

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He literally STILL cannot point to why what I said was any different than what Grimmjow said and everyone's like WHOA RECK DUDE STOP BLOWIN' IT OUTTA PROPORTION

Fuck that, I want blood

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That has to be the worst bit of reads ever:

I'm scum, Grimm's scum, and Miss I-Throw-Out-Reads-Willy-Nilly is TOWN?

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Well, lessee. Post 37/39 he disagrees with Pine on our behavior being a town tell despite apparently having a town read on us. Oh man, no cookies.

Umm... disagreeing on WHY someone is town is not the same thing as agreeing that somebody is town. This is bullshit.

Post #44 he addresses Grimm for the first time and adds a disclaimer that will explain his odd behavior. Grimm responds oddly. I smell Quicktopics in the MORNING. And someone is more experienced with them than the other person.

Uhhh? Yes, it was the first time I had addressed Grimm, because that was the first time he had posted in the entire game. And I posted this disclaimer in [redacted], another game Grimm & I are playing together, just so people know and aren't wondering what our connection is. And "Grimm responds oddly" is a vague pile of horse shit that you should shove right down your own throat... especially since saying, "I don't really know what to make of Reck this game" isn't odd in the fucking slightest.

Post #90 is free chainsaws for breakfast when triangle just called Grimm out for doing nothing (which is what he was doing, nothing)

Oh wheeeeeee let's throw arbitrary buzzwords around rather than producing a case with any substance

Post #145 was just random shit, he knows more players who declare town-scum reads with no reasoning. See, me. Wait, you don't know me. Oh well, yeah, that was a buncha bullshit.

And yet, I've challenged people on it recently. Even after the fact, triangle STILL cannot give any solid reasoning as to why she ignored my certainty and called me town, yet noticed Grimm's certainty and called him scum. There's this thing called pressuring people to see if they pass the test, and triangle failed.

Now go sit in the corner and think about what a terrible case you've presented then get your vote on triangle.

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nice response to my ENTIRE response to your case

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what

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You guys need to FUCKING SIGN YOUR GODDAMNED POST if you're both going to be posting in here. Originally it was only ONE FUCKING PLAYER PER GAME and now both of you are posting and I have no clue who I'm talking to. Allow me to explain my posts:

- I responded to a case I assume was made by #2.
- ??? only responded by saying "Our vote was on triangle"

and

"I haven't read the case yet"/"You have me a little alarmed"
- I say "what" in response to FoN saying "I haven't read the case yet".
- FoN #2 responds by saying "You know what you've done wrong, bite me" which is still the furthest thing from a case I can actually see

I refuse to play with a hydra that keeps itself anonymous, uses meta on people without allowing us to use meta on it, and posts to be purposefully confusing. Resolve this shit now or I'm replacing out because you can be DAMN sure I'm not putting up with an entire game of this shit.

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You guys need to FUCKING SIGN YOUR GODDAMNED POST if you're both going to be posting in here. Originally it was only ONE FUCKING PLAYER PER GAME and now both of you are posting and I have no clue who I'm talking to. Allow me to explain my posts:

- I responded to a case I assume was made by #2.
- ??? only responded by saying "Our vote was on triangle"

and

"I haven't read the case yet"/"You have me a little alarmed"
- I say "what" in response to FoN saying "I haven't read the case yet".
- FoN #2 responds by saying "You know what you've done wrong, bite me" which is still the furthest thing from a case I can actually see

I refuse to play with a hydra that keeps itself anonymous, uses meta on people without allowing us to use meta on it, and posts to be purposefully confusing. Resolve this shit now or I'm replacing out because you can be DAMN sure I'm not putting up with an entire game of this shit.

A member of the semi-anonymous screaming death clan hydra -

Which infamously voted for a wagon then condemned the entire wagon as scummy

- Is complaining that another hydra doesn't have its shit together and that he needs meta and that he's going to replace out if this shit continues.

Oh you are scum, Reckoner.

Um, SDC is far from anonymous. It's me/SpyreX/Fate/SocioPath/Elli, and we announce who the heads are in each game. And AFAIK we've only been in TWO games with the SDC hydra: DEFCON 3.0 (me/Fate), and uPick Fantasy Camp (me/SpyreX, later me/Fate). Please tell me how we're at all an anonymous hydra.

And what are you pointing out about me voting for an entire wagon and saying it's scummy? What game was this? And, better question, what does this have to do with ANYTHING we're talking about?

I'm not complaining that I need meta. What I am complaining about, though, is that the FoN hydra feels all fine and dandy using meta on others, but won't announce who is in its hydra, thereby protecting itself from any similar meta cases to be used against it. It's imbalanced, and reeks of insecurity. "Hold your cards as close as possible so you don't get caught" or something.

For whoever said "FoN is town because Llamarble played this way in another game", keep in mind we don't actually know if it's Llamarble posting, because they've admitted as much that there have been at least two heads posting so far.

And yes, I

will

replace out. I joined a NORMAL game because I didn't want any fucking shenanigans, and here's a hydra in a normal game who refuses to play as a single unit OR sign posts with the members. I've been on record A BILLION FUCKING TIMES as saying a hydra is only acceptable if it plays as one single voice (a la Reckamonic), or if they sign their posts so we can see who is who (a la several other hydras). FoN is doing neither, and it's frustrating the shit out of me and making me not want to read the game.

One of them says he thinks there are better lynches than me today but I'm making him paranoid; the other says I'm 100% scum and refuses to address my defense against his case. This isn't even a matter of putting this on a pro-town/anti-town scale, it's matter of making the game completely unfun.

So I'll ask FoN one more time: are you going to actually play correctly, or are you going to continue being a twat?

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I second the notion that FoN 2 should get out or they should sign posts.
Yates, Newbie Games. Go there. Hurry. They beckon.
Soda still needs rope wheeeeeeeeeeeee

You're pulling a dramscum.

Oh wait, so am I, nevermind.

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Not posting in anymore games tonight. I'm drunk and headachey and calling it a night

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Why didn't you claim in your first post?
Refusing to read earlier is stupid.

That was his first post, scum. You don't post content in the confirmation stage.

Reading the last 8 pages has been pretty stupid, too, though refusing to read eight pages is a bit silly. I might replace into a 60+ page game and decide to ignore what came before, but 8 pages is a reasonable request.

Actually, I quite like SK. I mock him because he's playing poorly, and I expect better from him.

Just noticed the dissonance between these two posts: first he calls SK scum, then in the very next post he has a more playful/lighthearted attitude towards SK. He "expects better from him", but thinks he's scum?

Pine just shot up my scumlist.

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Sure didn't take you long to backpedal.

Intriguing.

Who backpedaled? What's contradictory about saying I like SK, but think he's scum and playing unusually poorly?

The way you said it was weird. The order you said it.

Huh, Grimmjow's pretty scummy.
Weird page one certainty into vote stinginess and general noncomittal attitude / failure to DO things.
Also "I'll lynch Furc if you let me."

Moving on.

You're not good enough to just throw shit out there and say "Moving on" at the end, for what it's worth. Tell me what exactly is scummy about being certain on a read pg. 1 and being careful with your vote? There is literally nothing scummy about that. You're just describing ::things:: and going "they're scummy" without making the necessary middle-steps to get from point A to point B.

FoN, if I were scum I'd - well - let you live. You are so bad at this game it would only help the Town.

oh my god what the fuck is this

Aside from Reck and maybe Implosion I probably have the strongest track record of play here anyway.

wait... is this Llamarble? Is he saying this with a straight face?

I should probably make a town/scumlist but all you need to know is that triangle is still the scummiest.

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Can someone give me a quick synopsis of what has happened yesterday? I had a concert in the bay area and just got back.

uh no it's still D1 you can go read it's only 8 pages

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okay 10 pages but there aren't many wall posts so it's a quick read
stop being lazy

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Yes because you winning is definitely all your doing and isn't a team effort.

Dear god man get your fucking head out of your own ass

Vote stinginess isn't scummy -- shouldn't town want to be careful with their votes, whereas scum wouldn't care where it goes? And your "failure to actually do anything" tell could be applied to over half the playerlist.

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Sure didn't take you long to backpedal.

Intriguing.

More triangle votes would be wonderful while i am vla

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Wtf my phone fucked up

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Soda i love you now

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Wow, Triangle. You are pushing pretty hard for no reason and with no evidence. Wait - I put a hyphen in my post. Oh! And an ellipses... Those are surely scum tells. Now I see your rationale.

You'll notice that I didn't have a vote on the board [other than no lynch] expressly because I didn't feel as though there was any evidence to substantiate a vote. I'm not even bothered by people calling me scum or potential scum or scummy or whatever they want. That's how a discovery phase works. While I acknowledge that I'm not a fan of the sarcasm or tone of FoN or Sleepy's posts, I at least understand what they are trying to do. In fact, I believe that their pressure may have borne fruit in exposing YOU.

Vote: Triangle

Suspicious to me at present:
1. Triangle - Looks like you are trying to exploit a general distrust of Yates as seemingly the 2nd or 3rd option for players [190, 215, 224+225, 229+230, 237]. Plus, voting for a noob is the easy way out. No one is going to defend someone they don't know or particularly care for/about.
2. kondi2424 - random lynch vote with no explanation in 252

Less than suspicious to me at present:
1. Grimmjow - I agree with pretty much everything he says in post 253. A reluctance to random vote on Day 1 is not an immediate indicator of scum. To the contrary, it seems to indicate a reluctance to vote poorly. This is a position I at least understand. As indicated above, I also agree with his assessment of kondi. I can't even blame him for not liking my initial posts. I haven't had anything of substance to say until this post.
2. Implosion - Handled my "noob post" well in 176.
3. Sleepy - Handled my "cattle prod" well in 190.

Iffy:
Right now I'm iffy on Pine. Posts 195, 197 and 199, for example, show irrational flip-flopping. While that isn't an immediate incrimination because I did bait him a bit, it gives me cause for concern. At the very least, it gives me reason to pay a little extra attention to his posts and behavior.

is there a reason you didn't say a damn word about me

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Do you have any actual townreads?

There's no one I have identified as "absolutely positively" townie. I think that will require investigation information or confirmed scum hunting success. My "less than suspicious" list would be the people I would investigate later [after checking on more suspicious characters] if I had a cop/investigator role.

A good half of the "town" has yet to contribute anything substantive at this early juncture in the game.

you do realize town makes up a majority of the game so saying you have varying degrees of scumreads but no townreads is a terrible way of doing this

However Yates is probably town for post 296 alone

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This Soda wagon is still terrible.

More triangle votes please.

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PEOPLE I'D LYNCH TODAY:
triangle
kondi
Force of Nature
SleepyKrew

WHO ARE YOU AGAIN?
Per
Grimmjow
Furcolow
Mattman

NOT GONNA LYNCH:
Pine
Yates
implosion

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@Grimmjow:

The post's sincerity isn't what makes him town. It's the fact that his post screams paranoid townie to me, and his whole explanation of people he would investigate now rather than later screams discombobulated townplay, possibly from a VI, but definitely town.

And now you're voting Triangle so ++townpoints.

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PEOPLE I'D LYNCH TODAY:

triangle -- If I really need to explain why this one should be the top lynch then you

haven't been paying attention

.
kondi -- The whole "LOL LOOK HOW VI I AM GUYS" play is EXACTLY the same shit kondi pulled when he flipped scum in [redacted].
SleepyKrew -- Something about EVERY POST HE MAKES just seems light and fluffy, like he isn't really trying. I did make a mistake in reading him poorly recently in [redacted], so I'd rather not lynch him.
Force of Nature -- I made a mental note of them being scummy, but they're last on this list because I'm not sure if it's actually being scummy or me just being uberfrustrated with the way the hydra has been confusing people.

WHO ARE YOU AGAIN?

Per
Furcolow
Mattman

NOT GONNA LYNCH:

Pine
Yates
implosion
Grimmjow

but seriously, who is Per

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do something magical

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I don't know, if one of the leading wagons is on a scumbuddy, I could totally see Uphill coming in and trying to start up a solid counterwagon.

It doesn't matter though because we're lynching triangle today and that vote on implosion is a complete waste.

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Force, Furc, Pine, Sleepy, Soda, Triangle, and Yates are all town.

yeah no

you have LITERALLY NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE TWO BIGGEST WAGONS other than they're all town?

Dear god you're useless

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PEOPLE I'D LYNCH TODAY:

triangle -- If I really need to explain why this one should be the top lynch then you

haven't been paying attention

.

kondi -- The whole "LOL LOOK HOW VI I AM GUYS" play is EXACTLY the same shit kondi pulled when he flipped scum in [redacted].

SleepyKrew -- Something about EVERY POST HE MAKES just seems light and fluffy, like he isn't really trying. I did make a mistake in reading him poorly recently in [redacted], so I'd rather not lynch him.

Force of Nature -- I made a mental note of them being scummy, but they're last on this list because I'm not sure if it's actually being scummy or me just being uberfrustrated with the way the hydra has been confusing people.

Per -- he came in and IGNORED the major wagons, declaring them as town, while focusing on wagons that would be, oh, I dunno, nice counterwagons to his scumbuddy?

WHO ARE YOU AGAIN?

Mattman

NOT GONNA LYNCH:

Pine
Yates
implosion
Grimmjow
Furcolow
Soda

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reck, if triangle is scum and soda is town, and uphill wanted to counterwagon, couldn't he, idk, endorse the soda wagon?

I considered this, but I also considered that it'd paint a pretty big fucking target on him if he came in the game and threw down a vote on an opposing wagon.

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@Uphill: That's because triangle is scum and Soda is the counterwagon boom it's done he's town

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Uphill... those qualities you're pointing out don't make someone town or scum.

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LOL.

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BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU'RE SCUM AND HE IS THE COUNTERWAGON TO WHO I BELIEVE IS SCUM AND THEREFORE TOWN

UNLESS YOUR SCUMBUDDIES ARE COUNTERWAGONING YOU WITH ANOTHER SCUMBUDDY IN WHICH CASE LAWL

also

I'm not an expert at this game, but just because Soda acted calm when you called him out means he can't be mafia?

This is an excellent point and surely Uphill knows this

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Okay, now you're back to derpstatus, but it's okay, because your question was at least good.

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I don't think this is like

I N C E P T I O N

levels of trickery. I think what matters here is that it feels completely disingenuous and Uphill is clearly a skilled enough player to know better. Being calm and collected isn't a fucking town tell. It's like he's just TRYING to find a reason to clear them.

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Making definitive reads = playing the game already?

Like seriously, who the fuck are you to be making demands at this juncture?

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I'm just trying to think of why you would want to discredit me so much unless I'm on the right track?

I don't think this is like

I N C E P T I O N

levels of trickery. I think what matters here is that it feels completely disingenuous and Uphill is clearly a skilled enough player to know better. Being calm and collected isn't a fucking town tell. It's like he's just TRYING to find a reason to clear them.

how is this discrediting you

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I'm fine with a 1v1 with Uphill. Any takers?

Kondi is town.

But no, and why?

Please tell me you're not using "he offered a 1v1" as a town tell.

implosion what the actual fuck

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implosion by the way I read your case and while it makes sense you have to realize I just saw Soda play with the exact same amount of terribadness in [redacted - ongoing] and he was town.

He feels like an easy VI mislynch.

I want my goddamned triangle wagon.

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I don't know anymore.

This game is such a VI-fest that I don't think I can objectively read hardly anybody.

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If Soda doesn't post before tonight I'm going to vote him

PREDIT: oh well speak of the devil

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So reckoner, why do you think soda has been more scummy than triangle?

Reck is defscum. No way town Reck would vote a lurker after tunneling on triangle so hard.

are you two reading a different game where these magical things happened or something

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Last time Reck used that face picture he was scum.
It feels a little unlikely that all he'd say about me is he dislikes the fact that another head popped in for three posts.
What about my content?
And it's a little weird that he's dismissive of impressions based on tone (post 376).

I just think townreck would be putting a tiny bit more effort into pushing the lynch he wants / explaining why.

I've used this face picture a bunch of times, are you seriously trying to turn that into a scumtell?

And I'm p sure I've talked about your content already which is why you're on my scumlist

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Actually you're right, I haven't said anything.

I'm just generally uneasy about your slot due to the confusion from earlier but now that I'm looking at it closer, I see no reason for you to be the lynch for today. I don't like the fact you're sitting on the Soda wagon because like I said, Soda is a VI and a VI wagon just seems like one of those

it's easy, too easy

situations on D1.

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FUCKING FINE.

I'LL THROW MY VOTE DOWN ON THIS VI SHIT BUT WHEN YOU TURN OUT TO BE WRONG YOU FUCKING OWE ME A TRIANGLE LYNCH.

DEAL?

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I want a handshake from FoN too before this happens.

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I don't know, FoN. Triangle's partners could be anyone because this game is full of nonplayers so who fucking knows?

Why is Grimm totally scum? I don't think he is because people are mostly pointing to his lurking being an issue, but I know that he's lurking/very inactive in other games as well, PLUS his play here looks EXACTLY like Modern Family where he lurked and made scummy comments then replaced out because he just wasn't feeling the game. This feels very similar.

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We do this SDC style

no mercy

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

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DO IT SLEEPY

FEEL IT IN YOUR GUT AND BUS YOUR BUDDY

BECAUSE YOU'VE SPENT ALL DAY DEFENDING HER SO WHY NOT BUS AT THIS POINT

AT LEAST YOU'LL GET MINOR RECOGNITION IN ENDGAME FOR HELPING US SUCCEED

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These past x-amount of pages have been like

*terrible*

asking Llamarble why triangle is scum after all the shit that's happened over 22 pages is LOL

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Why the fuck would you point out she wasn't really hammered?

Way to fucking ruin it, implosion.

This dumbassery probably makes him town, though.

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GODDAMMIT KEEP TRIANGLE AT L-1

I WANT A FUCKING CLAIM

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What is this nontrianglewagon nonsense

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How about the other way around

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Nah, I'd prefer a scumflip first.

is this...

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Fuck you all.

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Pine is town as fuck.

Get back on Triangle.

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what

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UNVOTE:
Need to think later about voting not on his own counterwagon and claiming VT etc.
Probably will meta some.

you scumfuck

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Also, I claim vanilla townie.

oh god

Triangle, how many games have you played on this site

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No. I want Triangle to answer my question first.

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See, I was thinking the opposite: if she had less experience, she would be more likely to claim a power role as scum, because claiming a power role to out the power role is pretty basic scum 101 tactics. At least, that was my experience.

Your explanation makes logical sense, though, so I guess it's null.

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Sounds like you're having second thoughts about Triangle too, Reck. It's not too late to lynch Sodascum.

Didn't you JUST SAY she's more likely to be newbscum due to the VT claim?

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Triangle has like 2 completed games. I'm not sure he'd realize claiming PR D1 as scum increased his survival odds.

This is pretty much the opposite of what I'm trying to say.

You said: newbTriangle claiming VT is a newbScum mistake, because she wouldn't realize claiming a PR is the proper play.
I said: newbTriangle claiming VT is a newbTown tell, because in my experience, newbScum play is to claim a PR.

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Oh whoops.

Yeah sorry. Nevermind.

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FYI: Grimm & I were V/LA from Friday through tonight. I just forgot to post it... we're out of town.

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Grimm isn't scum. His play here isn't scummy. And your entire case on him is completely flimsy.

I would rather lynch SK or FoN today. My vote is staying on triangle unless we can get momentum.

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Reck defended Grimm quite a bit then put him in his lurkers pile. He made several posts about his reads on Grimm and such, and when Grimm followed him onto Triangle he labeled Grimm town.

"these attacks on him are bullshit" and "he's lurking" aren't mutually exclusive, FYI

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Didn't SK just bitch at me like two pages ago for lurkerhunting when I threatened to vote Soda, but now he's essentially lurkerhunting Grimmjow?

Doesn't SK think Pine's scum, but now he's trying to talk to him and negotiate with him?

Vote: SleepyKrew

Flash wagon go

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We have 48 hours for this to work. I'm getting cold feet on triangle due to the VT claim but SK's terribad tunneling on Pine is too much to ignore coupled with the complete dissonance in the past few pages

He's desperate for a mislynch and when he couldn't get Pine (who he supposedly thought was scum) lynched, he started aiming for Grimmjow, who is fairly inactive ATM.

This is a powerlynch if I've ever seen one.

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Reck is defscum. No way town Reck would vote a lurker after tunneling on triangle so hard.

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Excuse me for catching all the scum in one day. I'll be sure to only do one at a time from now on.

You're not that good at this game, and you know you're not that good at this game.
So why the pretense?

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I'm getting cold feet on triangle due to the VT claim

clearly I'm not too keen on triangle scum anymore so maybe you just aren't reading

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Triangle decided Grimm was scum for saying Pine looked obvtown and yet completely ignored me and FoN saying Furcolow looked like obvscum. The conviction wasn't real, a sign of scumminess.

However, triangle has apparently only completed two games, making me think the VT claim is something newbscum wouldn't do. I know in my first few games as scum, I was at the ready with a PR claim. It wasn't until much later in my scum career that I started whipping out VT claims.

[xRECKONERx]

WHY DO PEOPLE ONLY WANT A FUCKING TRIANGLE LYNCH AFTER I DON'T WANT ONE

FINE. SLEEPYKREW NEEDS DEATH TOO THOUGH

UNVOTE; VOTE: TRIANGLE

Forget what I said about Soda, he's not the counterwagon, Pine is.

[xRECKONERx]

k cool so FoN is continuing to be useless and scummy

[xRECKONERx]

I've been reluctant to vote you all day because you're a good player and I misread you as scum in Elements, but I just keep getting scumimpressions from you.

have you ever really read me correctly

[xRECKONERx]

Reck has just spent the entire game sitting on a triangle vote and chainsawing at anybody who attacks Grimmjow, who is scummy as all hell.

lawllllllllllllllllll

[xRECKONERx]

fuck yeah I would

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: SodaSpirit

[xRECKONERx]

I'd rather lynch Triangle than soda.

are you buddies with Soda or something

I

hardcore

defended him and even I can't let that last post go without a vote

[xRECKONERx]

it's just fluff questioning, he isn't trying to get at the heart of anything

fake scumhunting = scum

[xRECKONERx]

vote triangle

then

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Force of Nature

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, you up for exploring a FoN lynch D2? He's becoming scummy as all hell.

PINE.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm very hesitant to believe we ran two scum up to near lynch on D1

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Soda

Same reasons as before. Let's keep up the momentum. SKrew is a good alternative.

This is a bad vote.

Vote: Force of Nature

This is a better vote, but still bad.

Current best guess is Pine + Yates.

This is terrible.

unvote

This is probably the best thing posted in the thread so far.

This is a bad post.

Also, FoN's questioning of Pine is downright fucking terrible.

[xRECKONERx]

Viable Lynches:

FoN
Sleepykrew
Alex

Because so far my viable lynch list has 100% accuracy so why stop now

Not to mention ALL THREE OF THEM were ALL ABOUT lynching obvtown Pine and defending scum hardcore

Also FoN's #750 is just planting the seeds of "oh hey look how easy I can jump to any of the following five wagons today" so he doesn't look scummy in doing so

[xRECKONERx]

Pine is town, let's move on.

[xRECKONERx]

Yo, Implosion, remember when reck said:

Reck might be scum.

Oh, that's right, you died and flipped town doctor
and I made a case on you
and triangle said using elipses is something that didn't make me scum
would scum do that to their buddy d1?
no siree bob

I can't even process this bumfucknowhere backwoods cousinfuckery of a post

[xRECKONERx]

Dubious:SodaGrimmAlexUphillSkrew

YA DON'T SAY

ALL THE LURKERS PLUS SKREW ARE YOUR SCUMREADS?

HOW FASCINATING
HOW BIZARRE

[xRECKONERx]

What nonlurkers besides skrew and FoN are on your scumlist?

You do realize my scumlist only has three people on it atm right

[xRECKONERx]

tl;dr

Though for what it's worth my #1 reason for being on FoN right now is the fact he VEHEMENTLY tried to stay off that triangleScum wagon. And he was still pushing for a Pine lynch, who is obvtown and has been fairly town the entirety of this game.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh, hm. I must be switching up things you did for things SK did in my head.

Unvote; Vote: SK

[xRECKONERx]

I've quit reading FoN's posts. The back and forth between Pine and FoN over this idea of intimidation is useless. Let's move on.

Vote: Uphill

I'll explain tonight, as I have to get read for work soon and don't have time to write it up.

guffaw.gif

[xRECKONERx]

Oh, hm. I must be switching up things you did for things SK did in my head.

Unvote; Vote: SK

...

don't you ellipses me, say what you want to say

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: FoN

This shit is happening, might as well make peace with it now.

[xRECKONERx]

So you think I'm systematically killing off people who think I'm town???
Also Nacho Neighborized me last night, which would mean I knew he wasn't a viable PR anymore.
He also neighborized Pine N1, in case anybody wanted proof.
His top scumpicks were Reck and Uphill.
VOTE: Reck


And yes, Yates quickhammering was a dumbass epicmafia move.

Oh look! The WIFOM defense! Here, since you're using it as an attack on me too:

So you think I'm systematically killing off people who think I'm scum and drawing attention to myself???
Also let me claim something that is in no way provable or related to my alignment
Note that Nacho never said a damn word about me being scum. In fact, the last thing he did was ask me who my top suspects were, I responded, and he said "fair enough".

Oh right, I'm guessing he told you these things in the neighbor QT that you just so happened to get with him on the night he was to be killed. How coincidental.

(Equinox)

Vote: xRECKONERx

You fucking scumbag. You had it all lined up, didn't you? Powerbus triangle123 for fuel to run all the way to LyLo. Try to kill Force of Nature. Force of Nature brings up a case on SleepyKrew. "Oh, oopsie daisies! I mixed up you and SleepyKrew!" Holy stroke of luck, you got yourself a mislynch for both Day 2

and

Day 3! It's like magic! Of course, when we flip town, you'll start running down whoever got it in their silly noggins that we needed to die, and then you got yourself a scum win.

Actually, I

did

misremember SK's posts as yours, so I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not fucking doubting my gut anymore. It was right on triangle, and it's gonna be right on this one as well.

Am I claiming? No, I will not. If you louts decide that you guys want some more QUICKLYNCH WHEE, then go right fucking ahead. I will sit here, smug SOB that I am, crying and laughing when you run right into the clutches of a scum victory.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ATE ALL UP IN THIS BIATCH

If you want a case or something, ask Llamarble for one.

Jesus Christ, even I've used this shit as a get out of jail free card as a scum hydra. "RAWRRRR FORCED ANGER AND RAGE, I THINK THIS PERSON IS SCUM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GIVE A CASE SO YOU'LL HAVE TO ASK MY OTHER HYDRA PARTNER FOR THAT ONE".

Oh, I see Llamarble's already voted xRECKONERx for me. Awesome. Now I will post this for the sheer amusement of watching certain people come in to say, "Force of Nature is scum! They're faking rage just like I did in that one game with the exploding cars so that they could coast to LyLo! Hurry up and lynch them before they start SPAMMING THE THREAD and hitting all the right notes!" *cackle*

Heh, I don't care if you're quicklynched, this is gonna be fun anyway. Flail harder, shitbag.

[xRECKONERx]

(today is SA's or DGB's turn, you'll get yours)

Wrong game, buddy.

Hey all. Sorry, been busy as fuck with work. I'll work on this tomorrow (tonight's Reck and my anniversary) so I'll catch up tomorrow.

AND HE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT RECK, WHO HE OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE INSIGHT ON, OTHER THAN THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF HIM. He's of course happy to co-wagon though.

Ok, so I am, like Reck said, am out of town, and therefore not able to really put a lot of effort into this just yet, but I did come across this, and it stuck out to me.

I cannot read Reck in games. Hell, I can hardly read him IRL. So this is based purely on conjecture, which is totally wrong, but you you're making this part of the case on me? That's bullshit, sorry.

I'll figure this out when I get home tonight (assuming I'm not fucking exhausted from driving all evening). So yeah, we have a few more days now, which is awesome because that means I actually will be able to get into this game since I'll have more free time coming up.

SKrew's lynch is bad. I agree he's been basically useless and raging/fluffing/etc, but I'm not quite sure that relates to scuminess.

Go back to your corner, SK. Adults are talking.

I've quit reading FoN's posts. The back and forth between Pine and FoN over this idea of intimidation is useless. Let's move on.

Vote: Uphill

I'll explain tonight, as I have to get read for work soon and don't have time to write it up.

Gonna need HELLA MORE from this slot as well because these past six posts have been mostly promises to catch up with no content, a defense of SleepyKrew's quickwagon with no reasons or other reads, an emptyquote of Pine, and a vote on Uphill OUT OF NOWHERE followed by a promise to explain.

Nacho was tunneling pretty hard on Uphill and it wouldn't surprise me to see GrimmScum pop up here and use a dead Nacho to fuel an Uphill lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

FoN is not town.

This is your last chance to claim dude, or else you're being put at L-1.

Quick. In your own words, why isn't FoN town?

Tick tock, tick tock. I've extended you as much grace as anyone here since I've seen you as a VI before (and so has Grimm) but my patience is wearing fucking thin to have you still in the game this late and still not contributing anything of any fucking value.

[xRECKONERx]

Hmmmm.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh, hm. I must be switching up things you did for things SK did in my head.

Unvote; Vote: SK

I REFUTED YOUR BULLSHIT.
SEVERAL TIMES.
AND YOU AGREED I HAD DONE SO SEVERAL TIMES.
SO WHAT IS THIS "OKAY TIME TO LYNCH FON" SHIT?

Because this is the

exact

same feeling I got with Thor in Atomic Mafia (or whichever dram game it was) where I kept getting tinglies and I would throw shit his way and he'd very neatly dodge it and explain it away and make sense but deep down I fucking KNEW he was scum and oh look he was

It's the same shit here with you, and I'm not getting strong scum vibes from anyone else, you've been on my list since Day fucking 1

[xRECKONERx]

Yep, tinglies.

You wanna make this pretty fucking simple?

1v1, let's go bro.

[xRECKONERx]

(Equinox)

1v1, let's go bro.

Awesome. Deal struck.

When we flip town, don't let xRECKONERx wriggle out of this, guys.

I won't need to wriggle out of jack shit because your scum ass is flipping scum.

Go ahead and play chicken with me all you want, you're eating rope.

[xRECKONERx]

But yeah, NO WAY would I as scum have NKed a confirmed neighborizer WHO THOUGHT I WAS TOWN AND WANTED TO LYNCH RECK when there's probably something cop or mason (though if that's the case why haven't we autolynched Furc yet) level out there.

once again this is WIFOM and we're just supposed to "take your word" that Nacho said all those things

also if you're insinuating scumMe killed Nacho because he suspected me then LOLOLOLOL because you yourself have just admitted he only admitted in the QT and he never did in the thread so how would I know that?

let's fucking go, 1v1
I will happily eat a lynch if I'm wrong but I'm not

[xRECKONERx]

No worries, bitch.

If you flip town I'm self voting tomorrow.

But it won't come to that.

[xRECKONERx]

Because I keep somehow getting

narrowly

redirected from actually getting you lynched... D1 it took me pulling teeth to get anyone to vote you or triangle (and yet you wanted to say Pine is scum despite being the fucking obvious counterwagon), D2 I just couldn't get my shots on you to land and I started questioning myself, and I'm done with it now. If it takes bartering with my life fine, because if I'm wrong about you then I don't want to be in this game anymore anyway

[xRECKONERx]

Look at my posts about Triangle. Do you REALLY think I went back and forth THAT MANY times on a scumbuddy?

I'll do this tomorrow.

[xRECKONERx]

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

After ISOing FoN and reading his interactions with triangle, there's no fucking way that was bussing. shitfuckasscock.

Unvote

I'm so over this fucking game.

[xRECKONERx]

@Reck - Yeah. Total noob scum move by me, there. Oh wait...

what

[xRECKONERx]

let's fucking go, 1v1
I will happily eat a lynch if I'm wrong but I'm not

Would you be willing to lynch first? If you turn up Town, I'll vote for FoN.
...
What do you say? Still willing to stick your neck out if your neck goes first?

^This post, and his shameless flip-flop, practically bellows amateur scum.

@Reck - Yeah. Total noob scum move by me, there. Oh wait...

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

After ISOing FoN and reading his interactions with triangle, there's no fucking way that was bussing. shitfuckasscock.

Unvote

.

Gawd I'm such an idiot. I shouldn't have automatically BSed your Neighborized claim. And it's risky, but if FoN is scum there's a really stinking good chance Pine is also scum... So uh. I don't think FoN is the safe move today. Key word today.

here's our scumteam folks

Vote: Yates

Soda I'm less sure on and I really wish Grimmjow would GET THE FUCK IN HERE since he has better experience with him

[xRECKONERx]

I don't even know about this game anymore.

Maybe if I claim scum will just NK me and I can be out

[xRECKONERx]

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNHHHHHG

UNVOTE

EVERY FUCKING WAGON FEELS SLIMY

[xRECKONERx]

AAAAAAAAAAAAND SKYRIM JUST GOT DONE DECRYPTING

SEE YOU ALL FOR THE INEVITABLE PROD DODGE POST

I'LL PROBABLY SMELL LIKE A WET DOG BY THAT TIME

[xRECKONERx]

vote: Yates

L-2 again
Reck is scum with him

HRMMMMMMMM

I COME IN FROM SLAYING DRAGONS AND WHATNOT AND FIND THIS BUSALICIOUS STATEMENT WAITING FOR ME

YATES FLIPS SCUM, THEN WE GET THIS FAGGOT

[xRECKONERx]

SOMEBODY CONVINCE ME THAT MILLER CLAIM COULD BE FAKE PLEASE.

the ONLY way this works is if it was planned by his scumteam, which would have to include someone experienced who could set up such a gambit, which would be me/you/Pine

[xRECKONERx]

Furc has enough experience to do it on his own. Not sure why it would require assistance or coordination from anyone else.

Furc is kinda dumb

[xRECKONERx]

Also, if you check through Triangle's ISO, there is a post that confirms 1 and only 1 of Reck/Grimm as scum.

see when you say shit like this it SCREAMS "HEY I AM SCUM LINING UP A MISLYNCH BRO"

[xRECKONERx]

Also, if you check through Triangle's ISO, there is a post that confirms 1 and only 1 of Reck/Grimm as scum.

see when you say shit like this it SCREAMS "HEY I AM SCUM LINING UP A MISLYNCH BRO"

See when you avoid answering my questions, you seem like scum avoiding my questions.

show me where the fuck you've asked me a question and i'll answer it so hard you'll be shitting knowledge for weeks

Vote Soda or Pine or Grimm or Reck.

Why Grimm or Reck? Unless I'm mistaken, you haven't made a case for either of those two.

For your viewing pleasure, Reck.

i still don't follow your logic

[xRECKONERx]

oh somehow I missed that

1) Town due to lurkermeta.
2) Not a strong town read, but unlikely to be scum due to PoE.
3) Fucking idiot who is scummy as shit but is probably too dumb to fake a miller claim.
4) I already said why.

[xRECKONERx]

tl;dr

Though for what it's worth my #1 reason for being on FoN right now is the fact he VEHEMENTLY tried to stay off that triangleScum wagon. And he was still pushing for a Pine lynch, who is obvtown and has been fairly town the entirety of this game.

this whole thing that I thought was FoN but was actually SK doing it D1

remember

[xRECKONERx]

So LLD/Equinox/Llamarble/??? as FoN?

[xRECKONERx]

Don't worry. He's pegging you and Soda as his mislynches, while Distancing from Uphill. He's p. much scum too.

-LLD

So the scumteam is Uphill/Grimm?

[xRECKONERx]

That Furc iso is so fucking juicy.

but he's incapable of being that ballsy as scum, I'm sure of it. Especially since triangle was one of his partners, and unless Pine/FoN is the other, I don't know how he could've made up that claim

[xRECKONERx]

Force of Nature -- HAS TO BE TOWN because that shit with triangle D1 is 88% not-a-bus... despite ::moonlogic:: and scummy play
Uphill -- seems alty, and it makes it kinda hard to get a good read, though I haven't really paid much attention. Will iso at some point
Weirdalexv -- thought kondi was scummy, and alex has done nothing to alleviate those suspicions. Possible scum.
SodaSpirit17 -- STILL waiting on Grimm to give us his meta on Soda bc it seems like VI antics and I can't differentiate if it's newbtown or newbscum Grimmjow -- town due to lurkermeta, but needs to produce more content or else he's a serious LYLO liability
Pine -- town. counterwagon to scumlynch
Yates -- possible other scum due to POE, but I may have something wrong somewhere. Easily switchable with Soda.
Furcolow -- SCUMMY AS FUCK but good lord that miller claim

all in all I'm going to have to say... if we have a cop in the setup, then furc is probably town

which leads me to

Vote: Weirdalexv

[xRECKONERx]

Alex with Soda/Yates/Furc as the other buddy

[xRECKONERx]

I'm not following why FoN "HAS TO BE TOWN." I hate to be the contrarian voice but if I had to vote right this second, I'd almost certainly put my vote back down on FoN. I'm going to give it another 24 hours or so to see if something more juicy crops up.

Like I said -- read his interactions with triangle and tell me you honestly think that is bussing.

[xRECKONERx]

Actually I like this. A lot.
VOTE: Triangle
With Sodabuddy.
Reck latching on to a random dude who turns out to actually be scummy feels fairly town.
And now that Reck and I are voting the same person a flock of sheep is due.

Also Grimmjow is probtown.

Head #2 here, doing a senseless hijack

Reckoner is scum. Grimm is probably scum.

Triangle is town.

Our hydra should be voting reck, but prolly won't be because the game head is less awesome than this head

"Kirk to enterprise, engage transporter"

*whiiiinnnneeeeee*

*disappears in sparkles*

Jury still out on Pine. Maybe he'll call me an SK again.
Soda wagon has gotten meh and probably can die.
My triangle vote still feels excellent.
Yates is scum.
Haven't made my mind up on Reck. I haven't liked some of his stuff so far but Furc push & Triangle vote do feel good.

TOWN:
FORCE OF NATURE
IMPLOSION
SLEEPYKREW

PROBTOWN:
FURCOLOW
SODA

GLORB:
RECK
PER
MATTMAN
PINE

SCUM:
GRIMM
YATES
TRIANGLE

WTF:
KONDI2424

can you not read the insane amount of flipping back and forth and dissonance FoN had on triangle

[xRECKONERx]

can you not read the insane amount of flipping back and forth and dissonance FoN had on triangle

I did but none of that was very damning. I'll put it to you this way; it wasn't reason enough for you not to make post 324 wherein you still thought FoN was scummy along with Triangle. My question is simply; what made you change your mind? That evidence was all preexisting and, might I add, fresher in your mind back when you thought FoN was scum. I'm just not understanding the leap in logic.

Uh... really dude?

We didn't have a scumtriangleflip at that point when I made that list. What on earth.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Uphill

moar?

[xRECKONERx]

@Reckoner: 'kay, would you say this summary of Grimm as he has played in this game is accurate:
1) Unlikely to contribute to catching scum
2) Unlikely to vote for you, even (or especially) in LyLo
3) Likely to be lurker lynched near or in LyLo

Why is he town? 'Meta' and 'lover's intuition' makes me go get my hammer.

1) Maybe. He seriously has been busy recently. I think he could contribute greatly if he'd just sit down and write.
2) False. The one game we've played together before this one, he had no problem voting for me and going head to head with me.
3) Not while I'm alive, he won't be.

I wouldn't say any of this is lover's intuition... it's meta, yes, but I've seen him play scum in a game and I've seen him play town. He's very engaged in the game as scum, whereas he's more likely to lurk as town. Not to mention, the stuff he

has

posted seems to be satisfactory content. It's not like he's coming in and poking at the major wagons then disappearing.

[xRECKONERx]

Ohhhhh this will be good.

[xRECKONERx]

There is no sort of Uphill case at all.

Thor, you're in a predicament here. Even if you went balls out and were the shining beacon of protown behavior, there's no way I'd be alright with letting you live until lylo based on your predecessors. kondi was a top scumspect for me, then he replaced out. Then alex became a top suspect, and he replaced out.

[xRECKONERx]

You need to quit and get replaced or do better. I'm making a better case against you if you don't.

Is this seriously a threat to try and get a lurker lynched regardless of not having a solid case against him THIS LATE in the game?

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah, but *why*?Also, you mentioned replaced out twice - you and I both know the substantive quality of THAT as a scumtell. That's a real life tell - why are you even bringing that up? You case should have been "had a scum feel on your predecessors" fuggin period. But "Ooooh, ::effeminate hand wave:: scummy feel *AND* they replaced out...because...town don't do that...fact!"Seriously now. This is a lurk/flake out case isn't it?

No. It's not.

My point by mentioning the replacements was that the only reason I haven't drilled a lynch on your slot already is BECAUSE they keep replacing out and I go "oh well I'll wait and see what the replacement has to say". I'm not using replacing out as a scumtell, I'm explaining why you're even here in this game and the slot is still living

[xRECKONERx]

As for the counterwagon thing: there was one vote on Uphill (reasonless vote by Pine) before I voted Alex (gave context/reads/reasons in my post). I would hardly consider either of those a "wagon" at that point. FoN also threw down a vote on Uphill, followed by Yates immediately throwing down a vote on Alex. The wagons formed simultaneously.

[xRECKONERx]

And no I haven't yelled at Yates to my knowledge

I think the only person I've yelled at is FoN

[xRECKONERx]

dear god I can't even stop checking my games for two fucking minutes

hold on

[xRECKONERx]

PEOPLE I'D LYNCH TODAY:

triangle -- If I really need to explain why this one should be the top lynch then you

haven't been paying attention

.
kondi -- The whole "LOL LOOK HOW VI I AM GUYS" play is EXACTLY the same shit kondi pulled when he flipped scum in [redacted].
SleepyKrew -- Something about EVERY POST HE MAKES just seems light and fluffy, like he isn't really trying. I did make a mistake in reading him poorly recently in [redacted], so I'd rather not lynch him.
Force of Nature -- I made a mental note of them being scummy, but they're last on this list because I'm not sure if it's actually being scummy or me just being uberfrustrated with the way the hydra has been confusing people.

WHO ARE YOU AGAIN?

Per
Furcolow
Mattman

NOT GONNA LYNCH:

Pine
Yates
implosion
Grimmjow

but seriously, who is Per

PEOPLE I'D LYNCH TODAY:

triangle -- If I really need to explain why this one should be the top lynch then you

haven't been paying attention

.

kondi -- The whole "LOL LOOK HOW VI I AM GUYS" play is EXACTLY the same shit kondi pulled when he flipped scum in [redacted].

SleepyKrew -- Something about EVERY POST HE MAKES just seems light and fluffy, like he isn't really trying. I did make a mistake in reading him poorly recently in [redacted], so I'd rather not lynch him.

Force of Nature -- I made a mental note of them being scummy, but they're last on this list because I'm not sure if it's actually being scummy or me just being uberfrustrated with the way the hydra has been confusing people.

Per -- he came in and IGNORED the major wagons, declaring them as town, while focusing on wagons that would be, oh, I dunno, nice counterwagons to his scumbuddy?

WHO ARE YOU AGAIN?

Mattman

NOT GONNA LYNCH:

Pine
Yates
implosion
Grimmjow
Furcolow
Soda

Force of Nature -- HAS TO BE TOWN because that shit with triangle D1 is 88% not-a-bus... despite ::moonlogic:: and scummy play
Uphill -- seems alty, and it makes it kinda hard to get a good read, though I haven't really paid much attention. Will iso at some point
Weirdalexv -- thought kondi was scummy, and alex has done nothing to alleviate those suspicions. Possible scum.
SodaSpirit17 -- STILL waiting on Grimm to give us his meta on Soda bc it seems like VI antics and I can't differentiate if it's newbtown or newbscum Grimmjow -- town due to lurkermeta, but needs to produce more content or else he's a serious LYLO liability
Pine -- town. counterwagon to scumlynch
Yates -- possible other scum due to POE, but I may have something wrong somewhere. Easily switchable with Soda.
Furcolow -- SCUMMY AS FUCK but good lord that miller claim

all in all I'm going to have to say... if we have a cop in the setup, then furc is probably town

which leads me to

Vote: Weirdalexv

Those are the stances I've taken on kondi/alex. Now that the game has finished, go check Sweeney Todd. It's the exact play that I saw from kondi here in that game, and I made the mistake of saying he was town that game because "no scumbag would be so obvious and idiotic and throw down hammers on a wagon". Alex did a big pile of nothing, besides also throwing down a reasonless vote on the SleepyKrew wagon.

And I haven't read the Yates case yet. I'll get around to it. I'm about to jump in the shower with my boyfriend and go play vidya games and I don't want to spend the next three hours (in addition to the last 3) on mafiascum the whole time.

[xRECKONERx]

I thought you did respond to Grimm inside Grimm's spoiler tags?

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm.

Pine didn't even read the post.

[xRECKONERx]

2. Reck is probably scum, because he shouldn't have allowed that level of derpy to exists as a case he supported.

What case did I support?

[xRECKONERx]

I skim as both alignments when people post walls.

I'm still not seeing what case you think I agree with?

[xRECKONERx]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEE REASONLESS VOTES WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STILL IGNORING MY VERY EASY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

also if you continue to wallpost I will just stop reading your posts altogether, jesus fucking christ

[xRECKONERx]

where did you "quote" his case for me

[xRECKONERx]

Dude, I have no fucking clue, I'm not paying attention to your wallposts. And that one post you made was confusing as fuck.

[xRECKONERx]

have you done anything pro-town this game that should make me not want you speed lynched?

you mean other than lynching scum D1 after people fought and fought to save triangle?

nahhhhh

[xRECKONERx]

Reck led the Triangle lynch? Hurm...

@Uphill - *raspberry*

"oh hey I'm just gonna throw shit at Reck to see if anything can stick"

Yeah, Thor's scum here

[xRECKONERx]

1. Force of Nature - likely town
3. Uphill - gut town, but PoE scum, leaning scum
4. Thor665 - bearded (actually, whiskered right now, but, hey)
5. SodaSpirit17 - no read whatsoever
6. Grimmjow - no read whatsoever
7. xRECKONERx - obv. town
8. Pine - strong town
10. Yates - obv. town
12. Furcolow - needs rope, but currently town for miller claim.

@Reck - I see you were defending Soda earlier when he was a counter wagon, is that still a town read? Any reasons besides counter to Triangle?

@Pine - what's the story with Grimm?

I don't see how I swapped to being obvtown all of a sudden. Mind expanding on that?

And... my experience with Soda is incredibly limited, but he's pretty derpymcderpyVI in every game I've seen him in... and the fact that he was a counterwagon to a scumlynch D1 makes me think he (along with Pine) are confirmedtown.

On Day 3? Eugh!
Okay, but what's the deal with Soda - as a counter to Triangle he should be looking town, shouldn't that make him townish and cast Grimm down with the Sodomites? Who was on that wagon push even? ::looks:: Day 1 he looks to be all about Triangle, so Grimm did his Soda push on one of the later days...meh.

@Reck - what was up with the Sleepy alternate wagon there?

SodaSpirit17, Yates, Grimmjow, Pine, xRECKONERx
Not counting dead town this is the Triangle wagon. Let's be honest, somebody bussed. Why are we not lynching Grimm or Soda?

Sleepywagon looked juicy because Sleepy fought pretty damn hard to keep triangle from getting lynched... which is something Sleepyscum could get away with, and he knows that. Admittedly it was wrong but it felt good at the time right after a slamdunk D1.

I want to maintain my town read on Grimm due to meta, but it's getting harder and harder... especially when I look at that wagon and realize "Shit,

somebody

probably bussed". I'd be betraying my reads if I went after Pine or Soda, and Yatesbus doesn't quite fit with me. If anyone was bussing, it was probably Grimmjow.

However... I think looking at those OFF the D1 triangle lynch is probably more fruitful. For awhile it was a close race between Triangle/whoever (I believe Pine was the end of day counterwagon) and scum probably could've/would've hedged their bets on the counterwagon.

[xRECKONERx]

HE'S SCUM, RIGHT?

TELL ME HE'S SCUM

TELL ME SOMEBODY CAN ACTUALLY CONFIRM HE IS CAPABLE OF FAKING A MILLER CLAIM

DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN

[xRECKONERx]

Thor's random switch on me gives me WHEEEBUDDY vibes. The turnabout was so quick for someone who was SO SURE I was scum.

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[xRECKONERx]

You keep calling it a lurk case. It's not.

More dismissiveness.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh you're right, now that you're in the game we should totally ignore any valid points we had against your predecessors. A replacement totally invalidates former reads.

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm. Somehow, I remembered Alex being on the SleepyKrew wagon... apparently I was mistaken. What the fuck.

Still not voting Grimm. His case on Soda feels genuine. Plus OMGMETA means he's town.

I'll unvote you if we can both agree on an alternate wagon. While I still think kondi was scummy, my memory of alex was seriously off, and you're right, you've been active and helpful. Plus my point of you being dismissiveScum doesn't work anymore since the case WAS shitty.

Unvote

so who's it gonna be, and don't say Grimm

[xRECKONERx]

People I won't vote today:

Soda -- counterwagon to scumlynch
Pine -- counterwagon to scumlynch
FoN -- no fucking way was that shit with triangle a bus
Furc -- miller claim is too ballsy for an idiot to pull off as scum
Grimm -- meta means town plus genuine case on Soda

Which leaves us with:

Uphill -- never got around to that iso on him and it won't happen tonight but I can still do it
Yates -- still possibly scum due to PoE

Now I don't necessarily think Uphill and Yates are scum together, but I think we've got a 50% shot of hitting scum between the two of them. With a scumflip I'll go back and reevaluate reads based on connections and iso, because I'm probably wrong about one of my town reads, but the reasons above make them bad lynches for today.

[xRECKONERx]

Fine

Unvote; Vote: Uphill

now get your vote off Grimm and let's do this since it seems to be our venn diagram of agreement

[xRECKONERx]

BUHHHHH SOMETHING STILL FEELS OFF BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS

EVERYBODY IN THIS GAME COULD HAVE COMPELLING SCUM CASES MADE FOR THEM BUT EVERYONE ALSO HAS TOWN CASES ON THEIR SIDE TOO

I've been bouncing around all game and nobody I've landed on feels like a slam dunk besides triangle. Maybe it's VCA time too

[xRECKONERx]

shit, we have under 48 hours until deadline

Something big needs to happen, fast. I'm already drinking and have company over so I can't do anything tonight, and I have an exam tomorrow afternoon... I'll try to get around to doing some VCA/iso/reread tomorrow evening

[xRECKONERx]

Well obviously I'm not lynching Thor today since I

just unvoted him

.

I'll need to look back at the Soda wagon which again is why I need to do VCA or something tomorrow

[xRECKONERx]

Grimm meta can't be delved into too much since [redacted], but basically I've seen him lurk as town SEVERAL TIMES. However, his scum games, he

never

lurks. He is way more engaged as scum than town -- just look at Modern Family Mafia. The play is similar here. It's seriously a case of lurking = town, active = maybe scum, maybe town... and this is a case of the former here.

[xRECKONERx]

plus genuine case on Soda

The case on Soda was big, but it was mostly derp too. Feel free to expand on that - the towniest thing I can say about it was that it was a big push at a time where he didn't need to reinvent the wheel with both Uphill and me dorking around being options for lynch. That's not a bad town tell, but it's not home run.

Also on this: lurkerscumGrim would've been far more likely to take a stance on a major wagon rather than work for days on a case on someone else.

[xRECKONERx]

Why am I all over the place?
And yes, Grimm is lurking, I sincerely doubt anyone is going to side with you on that.

[xRECKONERx]

Grimm has 33 posts out of 1161. And you're going to tell me that's not lurking?

For the love of god

[xRECKONERx]

I don't know if it was a hammer.

Answer my fucking question: how have I been "all over the place"?

[xRECKONERx]

you have people over, and an exam tomorrow, and you "don't have time to do anything tonight", but you're still posting after 2 hours
you're definitely all over the place.

Are you shitting me?

Ask Grimmjow, he fucking lives with me. We had people over and were playing chess, and now we're playing World of Warcraft, and I've been drinking. If he confirms it and you still think it's a lie then OMG WE MUST BE SCUM TOGETHER AND HE'S COVERING FOR ME.

And that STILL doesn't explain how I'm "all over the place".

I don't appreciate my ethics/integrity being questioned. I don't lie about real life stuff to weasel out of games. Fuck you, prick.

[xRECKONERx]

mod, my laptop boke and i cant use cetain keys... ill get it ixed soon but im slightly /la adfso now

[xRECKONERx]

Phonepost - why are people saying there are 3 scum left? I am confused

[xRECKONERx]

Happy to see Seacore.
Unhappy because he'll actually probably be serious enough to want to read everything before getting into the flow of things.
Let's try this again.

Vote: Reck

On reading over night I find the action of the scum wagon to be far more bus-like than I thought at a quick glance. Plus, he's the only real open slot I see for scum on the Uphill wagon and, derp, it was definitely there.

Not this shit again. Jesus Christ.

Hello party people.

Don't worry Thor, I've changed a bit since I stopped playing so much and started modding more. I'm looking to jump into it. Also, getting the invite during the night meant I had nothing to do but have a skim.

This is going WAY out of the way to say "HEY GUYS SEE? I HAD NOTHING TO DO OVERNIGHT EXCEPT SKIM. GET IT? I DON'T HAVE A SCUM TOPIC OR ANYTHING DOOP DEE DOOP". +scumpoints

1. Yates is scum. It just radiated from him to me.

Oh well geez, that's pretty good. I mean for 50+ pages of a game someone radiating is about as much as we can expect

2. Reck and Force of Storm are scum together. I've had a pet theory for a while that a great way to be scum would be to get into a long and drawn out pissing match with a scum buddy. One that made people's eyes glaze over. And that's what I'm picking up here. The fighting seems to be so much fluff and so little good arguments. In particular, I saw the way Reck was all "rant rant rant Force rant rant rant Force must be scum" and then at the flick of a switch had decided that Force was not possibly scum"

Congrats bro you've won the pants-on-head challenge because if anyone can look at me vs FoN vs triangle and call that bussing then they're missing a brain cell or a million

I'm not going to vote yet though, I haven't looked at the game since about an hour after I got in and made pretty much the notes I've made above. I'll throw a vote down in the next 24 hours though.

How about you turn yourself around and provide ::realfacts:: about why I'm scum/Yates is scum/FoN is scum
you have NOTHING to say about any of the major wagons in the game? Like, seriously nothing?

It's very likely the day before lylo.
Massclaiming today would help out with some stuff.
I've already claimed VT, Furc has already claimed Miller, so scum are only dealing with 3 unknowns anyway.
Thoughts?

If there's a cop out there I'd prefer he stay hidden in the attempt to grab another night action without being outed. Our doctor is dead which means there probably aren't any other protective roles out there and a claim from a cop/any PRs at this point would mean instant death (unless scum wanted to draw out some kinda lengthy counterclaim scenario)

I still have Thor scum 1, and FoN scum 2. It looks like Soda/Seacore is the most likely final scum.

Wha-- you think there are four scum in the game?

This is a good lynch and Town needs to get on board already.

WELL WITH A CASE LIKE THAT HOW CAN I NOT?

I'm kinda pissed off Seacore replaced Soda because now that means that slot has exclusively belonged to players who I always read as scummy no matter what. By the way, the meta on Soda I was talking about was in a game that just ended and featured Soda, Thor, and Grimmjow. Soda was almost a D1 mislynch, then became the N1 vig kill.

Here's my stance on today:

I want Furcolow dead but I also don't want to out the cop, and the only way I'm going to buy Furc's miller claim henceforth is if there's a cop to explain its existence in the setup. Furc, I still want answers to my questions at the end of yesterday.

Now.

[xRECKONERx]

2. Reck and Force of Storm are scum together. I've had a pet theory for a while that a great way to be scum would be to get into a long and drawn out pissing match with a scum buddy. One that made people's eyes glaze over. And that's what I'm picking up here. The fighting seems to be so much fluff and so little good arguments. In particular, I saw the way Reck was all "rant rant rant Force rant rant rant Force must be scum" and then at the flick of a switch had decided that Force was not possibly scum"

Congrats bro you've won the pants-on-head challenge because if anyone can look at me vs FoN vs triangle and call that bussing then they're missing a brain cell or a million

Care to explain why? I've actually had this inkling for a while now as well.

> I pushed for triangle's lynch from about halfway through D1 until the very end
> FoN changed his mind back and forth on triangle and was hesitant to jump on the wagon
> FoN immediately pressured me as well

So unless you think I was bussing triangle while FoN bussed me and triangle did whateverthefuck then no it's a completely outlandish theory

[xRECKONERx]

1) I'm also known for defending my buddies to the goddamn death. Tell me, what excellent meta do you have on me? Which of my games have you taken the time to sit down and read in order to KNOW that I'm supposedly so renown for bussing? And yes, I made a comment to you about D1 bussing before, in which I said if I'm going to bus D1, I bus hard and I don't let off the gas for anything. ...Unlike in this situation, where I got cold feet on triangle, went over to SleepyKrew, then ended up switching back to triangle.

2) WHEEEE THROWING OUT UNSUBSTANTIATED THEORIES WITH NO GROUNDING IN EVIDENCE OR LOGIC!!! Here, I can do it too:
"You probably told your buddies in the QT that you were actually an alien lifeform hiding on earth but then the government came and captured you which is why you've been lurking so much"
Isn't this fun? Though if I were to TRY to address your post... why would FoN knowing I was bussing cause him to not take a firm stance?

3) You do realize the mere fact you're questioning all of this makes your third point invalid, right? Being on a scumlynch doesn't clear anyone worth shit because people end up doing this ridiculous shit where it's like NO NO, IT'S A BUS, THE MOST ELABORATE BUS IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WAGON WAS ACTUALLY TOWN DRIVEN AND ORGANIC, FUCKING BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS

It is an outlandish theory

But tell me Brock why are you suddenly like "lol nvm ab Soda's slot due to Seacore". You went from posting a fucking wall of a case on him to going OH NVM I AGREE WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING

Just to vote me?

what the fuck

Somewhere, something, somebody is fishy as shit in the past page or so

[xRECKONERx]

Grimm, who is a person I suspect would have some vague insights to Reck as a player feels there's a possibility of Reck bus.
Presses point.
Reck flips the hyper hell out.

Moar votes pl0x.

Except he has one experience playing in a game with me, which we both replaced out of due to dramaz, and he was scum there.

Yeah, and we're not lynching Furc today while you also sit around and say you don't want a cop claim while admitting Furc needs death unless there's a cop claim.
Catch-22 on Furc, eh?
Scummy, scummy, doo-dah.

I'm conflicted on Furc -- on the one hand, like I've been saying, he seems too dumb to come up with a miller claim as scum. On the other hand, it's impossible to deny that he has been legitimately scummy. Lack of a cop claim would be the nail in his coffin. It's also bad because I don't want to out the cop, but like I said if he has some innocents alive today and can send us into tomorrow with some clears (barring a Godfather) then it's a good idea.

[xRECKONERx]

Also my flipout may also be related to stress/anger from another game in which I was just force replaced for flipping out and it's carrying over

[xRECKONERx]

1) I'm also known for defending my buddies to the goddamn death. Tell me, what excellent meta do you have on me? Which of my games have you taken the time to sit down and read in order to KNOW that I'm supposedly so renown for bussing? And yes, I made a comment to you about D1 bussing before, in which I said if I'm going to bus D1, I bus hard and I don't let off the gas for anything. ...Unlike in this situation, where I got cold feet on triangle, went over to SleepyKrew, then ended up switching back to triangle.

No, the comment that you made to me was that you would sometimes bus hard D1, and sometimes you let your scumbuddy know, and sometimes you don't and it comes out of nowhere. Also, if you'd really like to know (I haven't actually read the game) but just in the 2 minutes of looking through your previous games, I did come across this game where you did bus, get off the wagon, bus, get off the wagon, and bus more to the lynch of your scumbuddy D1.

This is complete and utter bullshit. I remember my exact wording, I remember we were sitting on the porch doing something (I don't remember who I was talking to about bussing, maybe Gammagooey), and I said if I bussed D1, I bussed hard and didn't let up. I didn't say sometimes I let my buddies know, I didn't say sometimes it comes out of nowhere.

And it's pretty easy to go back and find a game which conveniently fits your meta example. If you're going to use meta, you have to use

a broad meta

, and I can provide you with more games where I didn't bus D1 as scum or even hardcore defended my buddies the entire game than ones where I bussed hard D1.

2) WHEEEE THROWING OUT UNSUBSTANTIATED THEORIES WITH NO GROUNDING IN EVIDENCE OR LOGIC!!! Here, I can do it too:
"You probably told your buddies in the QT that you were actually an alien lifeform hiding on earth but then the government came and captured you which is why you've been lurking so much"
Isn't this fun? Though if I were to TRY to address your post... why would FoN knowing I was bussing cause him to not take a firm stance?

Love the distraction method you used here. I come at you with my reasoning in a calm form, and you make a mockery of it. Not cool. But thanks.

Because there's literally no way to defend against "WOOO UNFOUNDED QT SPECULATION" besides showing the ridiculousness of such tactics.

3) You do realize the mere fact you're questioning all of this makes your third point invalid, right? Being on a scumlynch doesn't clear anyone worth shit because people end up doing this ridiculous shit where it's like NO NO, IT'S A BUS, THE MOST ELABORATE BUS IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WAGON WAS ACTUALLY TOWN DRIVEN AND ORGANIC, FUCKING BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS

wut?

You said that a bus from FoN on me would result in him getting towncred, but you've just proven yourself that voting for a scumbag does not in any way net awesome town cred, otherwise I'd be going WHEEEEEE and floating through the game with zero suspicion since I was on a scumwagon D1.

And just so no one gets confused

But tell me

Brock

Grimm why are you suddenly like "lol nvm ab Soda's slot due to Seacore". You went from posting a fucking wall of a case on him to going OH NVM I AGREE WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING

You know what "fishiness" happened? You did. I have actually been reading the game, and putting my thoughts together. I hate playing games with you because your defense typically turns out to be like your response to my point number two, and it gets me nowhere. But that's aside from the matter. I was reading up on the game and I couldn't put triangle and soda together in my head that would make sense. You, however, did make sense.

No, I've responded to your points in a logical manner, and used ridiculous logic to defend against one ridiculous point. And please explain to me how SODA AND TRIANGLE is harder to believe than ME TRIANGLE AND FON.

Speaking of Soda, it seems really odd to me that you were waiting for my game with him to end for you to be able to use that game/meta against him (you kept asking me for my opinion on him as thought you were going to sheep me if I found him scummy) yet you said that he wasn't a lynch target for you because he was scum counterwagon.

What the fuck? I'm NOT using the meta against him. I've mentioned the meta SEVERAL times in this game to prove WHY HE'S PROBABLY TOWN, not WHY HE'S SCUM. He was lurky/derpy there, he's lurky/derpy here. I've explained this. Where are you getting that I'm using Trouble in Paradise to call him scum?

Reck, I do have a question for you though. I never really could understand what your case was on Triangle. I wrote up mine, but before all that, what was yours?

Oh hey, another thing I've explained over and over and even quoted. But I guess I can state it AGAIN -- triangle was declaring town/scumreads flippantly with no real substance or reasoning behind it. She called you scum for thinking Pine was obvtown, but completely ignored the fact that I called Furc obvscum. Declaring reads so willy-nilly is a scumtell.

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No, I've responded to your points in a logical manner, and used ridiculous logic to defend against one ridiculous point. And please explain to me how SODA AND TRIANGLE is harder to believe than ME TRIANGLE AND FON.

Soda doesn't comment on Triangle much, and when he does, it doesn't make much sense. Soda's very... to use your phrasing... derp. His first comment about Triangle was that his vote on me was terrible. The second was some weird logic that made him vote triangle, and stick to that vote until lynch. Which was a long fucking time. Too long for a bus that he didn't push hard, imo. However, your push on Triangle does fit my idea of a bus. Not just laying down a vote, but PUSHING that lynch.

your "idea" of a bus needs to be retooled then because a bus can be as simple as throwing down a vote and sticking to it

What the fuck? I'm NOT using the meta against him. I've mentioned the meta SEVERAL times in this game to prove WHY HE'S PROBABLY TOWN, not WHY HE'S SCUM. He was lurky/derpy there, he's lurky/derpy here. I've explained this. Where are you getting that I'm using Trouble in Paradise to call him scum?

I may have misinterpreted your intentions, then. It seemed to me that you were trying to get me to condemn him rather than clear him. ::shrug:: I can see his scumminess, but I feel you are scum.

there's no "may have", you did. the proof is in the print

Reck, I do have a question for you though. I never really could understand what your case was on Triangle. I wrote up mine, but before all that, what was yours?

Oh hey, another thing I've explained over and over and even quoted. But I guess I can state it AGAIN -- triangle was declaring town/scumreads flippantly with no real substance or reasoning behind it. She called you scum for thinking Pine was obvtown, but completely ignored the fact that I called Furc obvscum. Declaring reads so willy-nilly is a scumtell.

So your whole case was based off ONE scumtell? And that made you pursue her with such force that you ignored others' scuminess? Reading back through your ISO, you call a LOT of people scummy, but you hold your vote on Triangle for (what I can see) one scumtell, and then the rest of your "case" to me seems to be nothing more than "If you can't tell what my case is, you haven't been reading." It doesn't sit right with me.[/quote]
I do call a lot of people scummy because this game has been a lurkfest and literally everybody in this game has come across as scummy at one point or another

Yes, my D1 case was based off of a pretty strong scumtell committed post-RVS

it's D1

nothing stronger presented itself, and the only reason I faltered from that scumtell was due to the VT claim. I didn't know whether or not a newb would be smart enough to claim VT vs a PR, I had words about it with either Pine or FoN, and I ended up voting her

Triangle did several other scummy things, but I still felt the scumtell from her post about you was the strongest point against her

[xRECKONERx]

ISO triangle and tell me what you see in her interactions with me versus her interactions with Soda

and honestly tell me with a straight face you see me/triangle as more likely than Soda/triangle

Hell, even if you said me/triangle/Soda I might be able to buy it but you're specifically saying it's me/FoN/triangle and I cannot wrap my mind around what kind of moonlogic is used to reach that conclusion. It's a stretch at best, not to mention the fact the entirety of your case against me is "I THINK IT WAS A BUS", and that's a terrible case for this late in the game

I'm heading home for Thanksgiving now, and my laptop is busted. I'll try to hop on my parents' computer if I have some time but in general I'm probably V/LA until Monday

[xRECKONERx]

What?

Furc:

respond to my goddamn questions at the end of D3.

[xRECKONERx]

Look at it yourself, you lazy fuck