Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[Seacore]

Hello party people.

Don't worry Thor, I've changed a bit since I stopped playing so much and started modding more. I'm looking to jump into it. Also, getting the invite during the night meant I had nothing to do but have a skim.

I don't think I'll be going through in much more detail unless it's to ISO.

Anyway, I currently have two theories that are probably incompatible (assuming 3 scum, which seems about right)

1. Yates is scum. It just radiated from him to me.
2. Reck and Force of Storm are scum together. I've had a pet theory for a while that a great way to be scum would be to get into a long and drawn out pissing match with a scum buddy. One that made people's eyes glaze over. And that's what I'm picking up here. The fighting seems to be so much fluff and so little good arguments. In particular, I saw the way Reck was all "rant rant rant Force rant rant rant Force must be scum" and then at the flick of a switch had decided that Force was not possibly scum"

I'm not going to vote yet though, I haven't looked at the game since about an hour after I got in and made pretty much the notes I've made above. I'll throw a vote down in the next 24 hours though.

[Seacore]

I'd like to hear why Yates thinks this is a four scum game? is it because he has three scum buddies? Because a) that's worrying, and b) that's the only way you'd think there are so many scum.

Also, if there is a miller, there is a cop (right?) If there's a cop there's somebody out there with three investigations under their belt. Isn't now a perfect time to get those investigations? Get some good PoE going?
If there isn't a cop, we lynch Furc and we've got only one more scum to find and more time to do it.

[Seacore]

It would be crazy scum sided, I agree. But if Yates is actively scum hunting then why would he think there is?

I think there's more reasons for him being scum and saying what he said then there is for him being town and saying it.

[Seacore]

I'd vote Reck, and may still, but I've only ever played one game with him and he was town. And his play feels similar, ie frustrated and frantic. Does he get that way as scum?

Anyway, I was just reading through D3 and I came across something interesting.

So you think I'm systematically killing off people who think I'm town???
Also Nacho Neighborized me last night, which would mean I knew he wasn't a viable PR anymore.

It's the language here that has me interested. All the use of "I".
It feels like Force is running with the assumption that a single scum made N2's kill decision.

Both thor's slot and mine were pretty absent leading up to night, with mine appearing right after night was over and thor's appearing several pages later stating they forgot about the game.

Theory: FoS is scum with one of us (not me), the slot flaked and left FoS alone in the QT to make the decisions.

Ugh, I dunno, it's been ages since I replaced into a game and I'm going back and seeing all these connections.

I'm going to keep reading and throw a vote down in the next hour.

[Seacore]

vote Furc

I will not remove this vote until somebody claims cop or gives me a damn good reason for why Furc is something other than scum?

Bounces around from wagon to wagon, doesn't contribute and yet manages to avoid being on the scum wagon of D1 but be on the two town lynches D2 and D3?

[Seacore]

Thor, can you please explain to me how Reck, somebody who was on the D1 lynch wagon and has done little else since is anywhere near as scummy as Furc, someone who was on the D1 counter wagon and has done little else since?

I mean, my theory on Reck came from his relationship with FoN, which doesn't seem to be part of your theory at all. What makes Reck scum alone?

And yes, I think the cop should claim, we need the info, both on Furc and on any clears he has.
Lets look at this from the scum POV. If Furc isn't scum, they don't worry about killing him, there's two of them, so that leaves 4 town to choose from to kill this cop, 3 if we mislynch today. That is high odds of losing that information going into mylo/lylo. In fact, if we mislynch today the odds of the cop targetting scum is 2/5, only slightly better than the odds of that cop dying.

I'd rather get the info now. It gives us two days of informed lynching.

But then there's the fact that no cop has claimed.
I don't think there is one. Doc+Neighbourizer v Rolecop seems pretty balanced to me.
No cop, means I don't think there's a miller, meaning I think Furc flaked, came back, got worried and panicked with this kind of gambit claim.

Also, I've seen Furc play as town. Not pro-town mind you, but town. Look at Stars Aligned 3. He had his own cases he was pushing regardless of what else was going on, almost vendettas. He wasn't bouncing all over the place waiting for a wagon to attach himself to. But he is here, and that bouncing has lead to a failed counter wagon and two town lynches.

[Seacore]

I don't find a miller claim to be town tell. Like, at all, because the moment it becomes one it stops being one. But I'll run with you on the rest.
I'm not 100% certain, but I'd be pretty damn surprised if there's actually a cop.
But fine, Furc dead can wait until tomorrow, however, if the cop dies before telling us the info, Imma cut you.

On the Reck front, is Reck that good a player? As I said before I've only ever seen him in one game, in that game he got 'Fated' but all he did in reaction to that was this flurry of posts and sadlurking. Pretty much exactly as you're describing. Hell, he even pledged to not return to the game before his inevitable lynch and then returned. This all just looks like town Reck to me.

Also, this whole "lets put him at L-1 and see what happens" just feels like "lets put him at L-1, let some derp like Furc turn up and derphammer and take no blame"
What can't we do at L-2 that we suddenly can do at L-1?

[Seacore]

Why the hell did you waste your tracker so early? You're better than that, Reck.

[Seacore]

Willingness to vote for Reck

Sorry, I've kept track of the game on my phone, but I like to post as little as possible from it.

So anyway, I'm now on team Reck-lynch. I'm not voting because I really want other people to actually post.

I've also somehow missed Yate's case on Thor, I'll go look for it now.

These people who haven't posted... I understand you people kill and eat turkeys at this time of year, but there's really been a deafening silence since Reck was established as prime wagon. I think if Reck flips town, we'll probably find the scum team in those who haven't weighed in yet.

If Reck does flip town tracker, I'm going to be screaming more and more for Furc's lynch too, I don't see cop and tracker in a set up this small.

[Seacore]

I'm pro massclaim

I think we find scum with it either way, whether that be reck or furc

[Seacore]

The bread crumbing doesn't bother me, many people don't. Particularly when he didn't get any important results (they neither clear nor condemn).

But yes, the rest of the claim looks bullshit, but it would look a lot less bullshit if there isn't a cop.
If Reck is a tracker and he did blow his two shots early, then that was a dumb move. But I've seen Reck play a bad game as town, in fact, I've seen him cock up a limited ability as town, trying to get the most out of it early rather than waiting to use it more successfully.

So, if we don't massclaim, for whatever reason, I'll vote him.
But I think we should mass claim, because right now we have two decent suspects, Reck and Furc, and a claim could help us work out which is the better lynch.

[Seacore]

What? Are you saying your claim is incomplete?

Full claim now!

[Seacore]

In my experience, AtE is not a scum tell for Reck.

I think the other stuff is scummy, and that's why I'll vote for him once we get this claim discussion sorted, but Reck is emotional as town, I've seen it.

[Seacore]

well we don't really need your permission to organise a mass claim since you've already claimed.

So quietly sit in the corner while the rest of us discuss.

[Seacore]

I've said why furc looks scum.

My Iso is very small, go look for it.

[Seacore]

Furc doesn't bounce. He finds a pet target and rages as town.

And yeah, there's some gut there too.

[Seacore]

Well, if there's no cop, then we lynch furc in a heartbeat.