Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

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/confirm.

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VOTE: Furcolow

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Why do I need a pretense to bandwagon?

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#3 (a traditionally-scummy spot) on an early RVS wagon, sans any reason at all. See, I used the word "pretense" because I think you might be scum. Scum wouldn't have a real reason, they'd have the pretense of a fake one.

But you voted me for having no reason, ergo i don't have a pretense of a fake reason, i just have no reason whatsoever. I guess you're trying to use the word pretense instead of the word reason to imply that I'm scummy? Clarify. Also,

#3 (a traditionally-scummy spot)

No. The moment that some random guy wrote an essay on why slots 3 and 4 on bandwagons were scummy, they became un-scummy. The sheer fact that it is recognized that scum at one point joined bandwagons often in those slots motivates scum not to. Not to say that it's a towntell; it's a nulltell. There obviously must have been a reason that it was a scumtell at some point, which probably balances out with the negative impetus of it being perceived as scummy.

Wasn't calling it a Town tell. "Heh, Force of Nature can be Town, at least for D1" means that my first impressions are slightly Townie.

What's the difference between a town tell and something that makes your impressions (slightly) townie?

Also, "moving the game out of RVS" is a concept that I used to think was important, but have come to realize is basically meaningless. However long the deadline is, losing two days of it to something very slightly less productive than normal play really isn't the end of the world.

I will say that if Pine is scum, I should quit this game. He's pretty obvtown.

mastin alt

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Unvote, Vote: Soda

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My play has diverged strongly from early similarities to Mastin

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about grimmjow saying that he should quit if you were scum.

...Seriously? I said "without" pretense. So no shit you didn't have a reason.

Yeah, the way that you emphasized your usage of the word pretense was confusing me.

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Post 64 is trying way too hard.

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Post 64 is trying way too hard.

And the point of this post was?
(I'd normally put ellipses after was but not in this game nosiree)

I felt like giving a vague reason for my vote.

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Sleepykrew is town.
Triangle is probably town.
Reck is taking the misrepresentation that triangle did and blowing it out of proportion. His basic point that grimmjow has an uncanny degree of certitude for this far into the game is a legitimate point.

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Why did my one post where i reasonlessly declared one of your scumreads town sway you to think that you might be wrong on SK (or at least, that he's more town than pine/furc)?

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maybe.

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maybe.

Not you.

also, I'm sad that nobody seems to have gotten my mastin joke.

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also, I'm sad that nobody seems to have gotten my mastin joke.

mastin retired under the name of mastin when he misread pine as town in a large normal. He said during the game that if he was wrong about pine being town, he'd retire under the name mastin (and he did).

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Reck might be scum.

Also, it's disturbing how much of a read i do not have on FoN.

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Hi All - Long time listener, first time caller. LOVE the game...

So, don't we usually

VOTE: No Lynch

on Day 1?

Nope. Where did you get the idea that we do?

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Also, FoN is town. This is totally how llamarble played in bedtime stories.

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So, don't we usually

VOTE: No Lynch

on Day 1?

Nope. Where did you get the idea that we do?

Logic?

What logic?

The logic that we want to minimize our information gain on day one? The logic that by not lynching people, we'll eliminate scum? The logic that a fast no-lynch will allow us to draw the most possible tells from the mafia?

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1. You come from Epic Mafia, don't you?
2. "Follow the Cop" is the stupidest strategy ever.

Both of these statements are true.

My feeling on the RVS is that it doesn't actually pressure anyone to do/reveal anything useful unless the player is a complete moron. However, I will concede that I haven't been a part of the scum hunt in these forums so I guess I will see how things play out a bit while being as useful as possible.

We're out of the RVS. People that are voting now are either voting based on suspicions, or voting to pressure, or voting for other non-random reasons (hence the term RVS, which we are no longer in).

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See post above.

I like how this went onto a new page.

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Hi. I still exist, and I've been keeping up, but I've been really, REALLY bogged down in college application work. It's pretty much crunch time from now until November (and then to a lesser extent from early november to mid-november). I can still keep up, but don't expect anything profound.

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SK is playing exactly like he played in the two games i've played with him. He was town in both of them.

Like, literally, his play feels

exactly

the same.

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reck, if triangle is scum and soda is town, and uphill wanted to counterwagon, couldn't he, idk, endorse the soda wagon?

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uphill is town, by the way.

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What exactly do you expect scum implosion to do? Just make an arbitrary decision about your alignment and not fake a reason for having that opinion?

You mean like i did for soda?

Also, calm down. This is a

pretend

knife fight.

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also, are you an alt, and if not, how much experience do you have?

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Formal case on sodaspirit, because I'm in the mood. FTR, the other people that I have suspicions of in this particular juncture include reck and grimmjow. Read the whole thing. It's a bit long, but good reading.

Anyways this is the post where I say hi and give my current thoughts.

No real thoughts as of yet. Played with Furc before he was terribad scum once, however I don't see his lynch going through because of the ellipses, but that was a little bit all, but I agree with whoever said that isn't a scum-tell if they post ellipsis' because I do the same thing whether scum or not.

Time to pressure some people. I'm like 95.7% sure I found scum on page 1. Post 1.

This is the post where i give my thoughts LOLJK I DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS. As I said before, this post is just trying too hard to fit in. The first line and the last line of it are both lines where soda describes what soda is doing. Soda has no reason to describe what he's doing if he's town (it should probably feel more natural to just DO stuff). But if he's scum, then doing stuff like "hey guys, i'm giving thoughts" "hey guys, i'm pressuring people" is, in essence, saying "hey guys, i'm doing town behavior, i must be town, huh." There really isn't much reason to do that unless he's scum. His RVS vote on Per is also trying way too hard.

Any explanation to that vote? Or are you just gonna sit there with a vote on me and expect everyone to wagon..

No stance on SK. Doesn't directly call SK scummy for voting him. just asking for an explanation. No real indication that SK is wrong, either... he's just kind of accepting the fact that SK voted him. Saying "are you just expecting people to wagon me" implies (albeit in a convoluted way) that soda thinks that he is worthy of having a case made on him.

Well? Most 'keyword most' of the people haven't posted enough info to gather much info. The only things eventful that happened were Furcowgon, Grimmjow saying he would quit if Pine was scum, and now this wagon. None of the former 2 were scum-tells.

So there are eventful things that happened. The former two weren't scum tells.

This implies that soda thought that the latter one (eg, the wagon on him)

was

a scumtell, but he didn't elaborate on it.

Multiple people voted Soda. He implicitly said that the wagon on him was scummy, but didn't criticize anyone on the wagon, didn't attack anyone, etc.

Side note, if soda is scum, so is grimm, probably, from posts 79 and 89. But that's for another time.

Triangle vote on Grimm was very awful, for his reasons given. Augh.

Llama's floppiness is kind of a null-tell but usually it's a scum-tell.

However, I feel like this is the time to make my first real vote.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

SK ol' buddy,I really really hated it when you asked me to claim at l-3. That was really stupid, and it looks like rolefishing fmpov. Justify yourself.

"kind of a null-tell but usually it's a scum-tell." Soda currently holds the record for the most noncommittal sentence this game. Noncommittal...ness is a scumtell on its own, and is probably more valid than most other cliché scumtells (like lurking and rolefishing and etc). Being noncommittal means that you want to leave your options open - town members have no reason not to be firm in their stances. Even if those stances are "i don't know" or "i'm not sure," town are clear what their stances are. This sentence is obfuscated from "kind of" and "but usually" - ergo, not clear. That's not even the best part of the post, though.

"Oh goodie, time to make my first real vote. I think I'll vote the guy who's pushing for my lynch because i'm scum, and motivated by self-survival. I think I'll also use a cliché scumtell that almost never applies in reality and is accidental when scum actually commit it to attack him! Oh, goodie. I think I'll also completely ignore his response and completely drop the case once some other wagon pops up." - dramatization of sodaspirit17's thought process.

"it looks like rolefishing fmpov." Why FYPOV? If you're town, shouldn't it be

everyone's point of view?

Just strikes me wrong.

Well what's to hate? I am scumhunting, and I'm pretty sure this girl is scum, now if only others will realize

"Oh hey guys, i'm doing things that town members do, now stop looking at me funny ." This fits in perfectly with what i said a bit father up about his first content post - he has little reason to try to over-justify his actions by doing stuff like saying "hey, i'm scumhunting" if he's town, but plenty of reason if he's scum (that is, to try to get attention on to other people). Also, if he's town, he should be trying to push that suspicion, not going "oh, i sure do hope other people agree with me" as if he doesn't have the ability to convince. And he does the

EXACT SAME THING

In post 307.

To sum up this component of the case:

Anyways this is the post where I say hi and give my current thoughts.
Time to pressure some people.
Well what's to hate? I am scumhunting, and I'm pretty sure this girl is scum, now if only others will realize
And sometimes I feel like I defend more than I offend, but I've been gettin' down and dirty with the scumhunting.

WAY too much talking about how he's doing things that townies do. Soda is making an

active effort to look like he is town

. Only scum should have a need to do this not only when he's under pressure but in his very first post after confirming.

Wagon, ho.

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I'm fine with a 1v1 with Uphill. Any takers?

Kondi is town.

But no, and why?

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Also:

step one, read case.
step two, vote soda.
step three, ???
step four, profit.

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Soda is posting elsewhere. Or was like half an hour ago. He hasn't posted here since friday.

Hey soda, I've got a present for you. It's a case.

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lol isn't a sufficient answer

yes. Yes, it is.

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soda hasn't even mentioned my case on him.

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no, i think it's l-1.

why hammer without a claim?

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oh.

sowee

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wait...shit. i missed a vote.

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Llamarble, why is triangle scum?
Care to reveal your kittens?

DAMMIT NOT AGAIN

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So hey, I'm exhausted from applying to college and i have a debate tournament tomorrow that I have to wake up at like 5 AM for, so it's quite possible that I won't be posting again until Sunday, though I might get something in Saturday evening.

In other news HEY GUYS DID YOU READ MY CASE ON SODA

pine wagon is meh, triangle is lurkurkurkurk but i don't see him as scummier than soda. Not even sure if i see him as scummy at all.

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I am pretty much coasting at this point, because I've been busy as fuck in real life, and it's late in the day. I'm

willing

to vote triangle to get a lynch if necessary. Life should get less busy starting today, pretty much.

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skrew is a bad lynch.

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Because he's playing like he did the other two games that I played with him where he was town. I thought he was scummy too in one of them (I was admittedly third party, but i still thought he was scum for

most

of the game) but I think it's just the way he plays.

I'd lynch triangle over SK, but soda is still better.

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The same standards that led you to catch every scum day one this game?

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this damn GAME

why we can't just all be friends and lynch soda is beyond me.

I'm completely clueless about pine's alignment. I'm ambivalent about triangle too. I mean, sure, noobscum could claim to be a vanilla townie...

but vanilla townies, generally speaking, also claim to be vanilla townies.

I just don't find the case on him convincing.

Nevertheless, triangle is a better lynch than pine. I have no solid read on either of them; pine is being more useful.

FoN is, to an extent, right about the pine wagon being more town-driven. But frankly, my best guess is that both of them are town.

Voting triangle unless someone gives me a good reason to vote pine over him.

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VOTE: triangle

might as well just do it now.