Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

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I'd rather be a dinosaur chicken nugget over scum/town tbqh. Those things are legit!

Anyways this is the post where I say hi and give my current thoughts.

No real thoughts as of yet. Played with Furc before he was terribad scum once, however I don't see his lynch going through because of the ellipses, but that was a little bit all, but I agree with whoever said that isn't a scum-tell if they post ellipsis' because I do the same thing whether scum or not.

Time to pressure some people. I'm like 95.7% sure I found scum on page 1. Post 1.

VOTE: Per
It's always the guy with the short username. Really it is. He has three letters in his name and he is also third on the list. Coincidence? Maybe. Scum? ABSOLUTELY.

for these reasons, I'm going to have to

FOS PINE

Per, why do you have to have such a small username?

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Any explanation to that vote? Or are you just gonna sit there with a vote on me and expect everyone to wagon..

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Looks like everyone is voting Furco but whatever

UNVOTE:

Honestly I felt like that was just an RVS vote too, but turned into a wagon.

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How? I don't really see the Furco argument as logical, and my RVS wasn't either, so I thought we were still in RVS.

eb4p: cool I'm getting jumped and I just started. Life is GREAT!

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Well? Most 'keyword most' of the people haven't posted enough info to gather much info. The only things eventful that happened were Furcowgon, Grimmjow saying he would quit if Pine was scum, and now this wagon. None of the former 2 were scum-tells.

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are you serious? I hope not. Not claiming til I get to -1.

I hate it when people say someone's a liability, we're all one town, everybody should have a say in everything, and everyone should listen, but not act accordingly necessarily.

Don't see the hopping on RVS wagon as a scum-tell. It's early in the game, pressure needs to be had. So uh yea, why do you all think i'm a liability?

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What's your read on Pine if you find Grimmjow suspicious?

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Triangle vote on Grimm was very awful, for his reasons given. Augh.

Llama's floppiness is kind of a null-tell but usually it's a scum-tell.

However, I feel like this is the time to make my first real vote.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

SK ol' buddy,I really really hated it when you asked me to claim at l-3. That was really stupid, and it looks like rolefishing fmpov. Justify yourself.

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I really don't like Yates either, but it makes a really suspicious of triangle when she voted Yates right after Llama FOSed Yates and then unvoted her.

UNVOTE: SK
VOTE: Triangle

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Well what's to hate? I am scumhunting, and I'm pretty sure this girl is scum, now if only others will realize

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triangle you're more predictable than Howie Mandel going to a commercial break on Deal or No Deal. Yates is FoSed by the guy who FoSed you. He unvotes you, next post you vote his FoS.

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Matt is more VI than scum imho. But he is terrible.

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Well triangle is one of those scumbags.

And sometimes I feel like I defend more than I offend, but I've been gettin' down and dirty with the scumhunting.

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ah holy crap. sorry about the lack of me. and i was prodded in a game so yea. kinda had to post before it was too late. im actually on benadryl right now so i might pass out randomly lol. anyways lemme catch up.

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hmmm... I'm sorta liking this Uphill guy, but IDT implosion is scum. For now my vote stays. However I like Yates more.

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oh hey it's that alex dude. lol sorry bout lynching you, but technically it was either that or nl to win.

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lmfao SleepyKrew.

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why the fuck did you think that post was a claim?

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lol isn't a sufficient answer

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hmm... Pine was one of my foses as well, not sure if I made that public, but I think I did. But we shouldn't be too quick on the job.

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Sorry, haven't had time for MS.

FoN, why do you think Nacho is 'scummy' is it coz of his predecessor?

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Ugh I started to hate pine towards the beginning of the day, because he wasn't bothering to scumhunt. Now he's trying so uh, I'll keep my eye on him.

Would like to hear from Yates, but Uproar has done good.

I had a really bad feeling about implosion, but I never really pursued trying to lynch him thankfully.

But my main concern is FoN atm, because he said that the Pine wagon was more town driven. I know it was possible for Triangle to have been bussed, but uh, I think he could have tried to make his buddy look good by getting an easy possible mislynch in. His d1 playstyle was also really weird, I've played with him before and I don't know, he was more 'serious'. Of course maybe that was cause he was basically confirmed town in the game we played in but I really don't know. I think our lynch should be between Pine and FoN so.

VOTE: FoN

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That's what I'm thinking right now, but I'm pretty sure one dude tried to save Triangle, maybe two.

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I didn't like his willingness to change his vote at the beginning of today. He was like we get obvscum today and the rest later. However, he's looking better now. So I wouldn't really suspect him as scum atm.

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Yates, as much as I fancy the idea of lynching FoN and bbq, we can't lynch that quickly, coz he has to claim and stuff.

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Sorry for the lack of me at the end of the day, but what the hell? How did SK get randomly lynched! Haha. I think FoN is scum, but before I vote, I want him to claim.

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Also I hate Yates again after that quickhammer with little to no explaination and not letting the suspect defend himself....

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FoN the only person that knows you were 'neighborized' was you and possibly Nacho.

FoN is the only reason you're voting Reck because Nacho fosed him? Make a case FFS!

You should claim, dude.

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FoN is not town.

This is your last chance to claim dude, or else you're being put at L-1.

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Why don't you wanna claim? What's the worst that happens, you die the next night for being a majour town power role, but avoid being lynched and another town gets lynched? Best case scenario is you claim, scum don't kill you and we lynch scum. wcs isn't all that bad, but not all that great either

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I can't really meta Equi, but this is not town Llamarble. He was so obv town in one game I played in, and in this game, i would literally be floored if he flipped town, plus he's trying to make up alibis like not making cases to support his vote. I've seen this scum play like this many times before.

eb4p: Thanks. But was it really hard to just say "we're vt"?

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Assume my vote is on you, but I don't wanna vote you because of people like Yates who quickhammer.

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Gawd I'm such an idiot. I shouldn't have automatically BSed your Neighborized claim. And it's risky, but if FoN is scum there's a really stinking good chance Pine is also scum... So uh. I don't think FoN is the safe move today. Key word today.

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Are you confident about your theory?

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sorry guys my computed completely assraped my internet. im posting this at a library atm, so yea. i'll get back to you tomorrow

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okay so we're doing like a huge painting project at our house, and i might need a temp-replace for me.

anyways replying to grimm

Wall incoming.

Spoiler:

I'd rather be a dinosaur chicken nugget over scum/town tbqh. Those things are legit!

I don't understand how you would rather be in the gray area rather than being clearly town. That seems very odd to me.

If you really took this post seriously then lol.

No real thoughts as of yet. Played with Furc before he was terribad scum once, however I don't see his lynch going through because of the ellipses, but that was a little bit all, but I agree with whoever said that isn't a scum-tell if they post ellipsis' because I do the same thing whether scum or not.

This seems like terrible fence sitting to me. Well, that's mostly dependent upon what he means by "that was a little bit all." I'm assuming here that "all" actually was supposed to be "odd." In which case, he's saying "This isn't a reason to lynch someone, but it's really weird, but don't do it, and I do it as both scum and town." There's no real stance here.

You're correct. It was supposed to be odd. And I don't think that people should be lynched over something that happened pregame

Time to pressure some people. I'm like 95.7% sure I found scum on page 1. Post 1.

What is the point of putting a pressure vote on someone when you call it a pressure vote? Because I would think it would void the pressure simply because it's not an actual intent to lynch. Again, this seems like an attempt to fence sit. That way, if the Per lynch had gone through and he flipped town, SS would have easily been able to say "oh, my vote was just for pressure, I didn't actually think he was scum."

Putting a vote on someone at the beginning doesn't mean you think they're scum. It means that you'd like to toy around with that person and see if they falter.

FOS PINE

Keep this in mind for a bit.

Next post, Sleepy votes SS. SS responds with "Why?" which Sleepy (correctly) states "RVS is over." Once Implosion jumps on the wagon, SS unvotes, saying "oh, well the Furc wagon's legit apparently, but I thought it was an RVS vote too." Well, ok, I can kinda understand that, but the heatedness (is that even a word?) of the debate at the time should have made it apparent to everyone that it wasn't really an RVS vote. This is all within 6 posts of each other. Seems like scared scum to me.

Meh. I didn't fancy the fact of being lynched in the first 10 minutes of the game just because of my awful first-post

eb4p: cool I'm getting jumped and I just started. Life is GREAT!

This is the quote that really made me think that SS was town. Ongoing game, so I can't comment further, but this makes me think town.

made? what changed it? was this the sole purpose of you thinking I was town?

Well? Most 'keyword most' of the people haven't posted enough info to gather much info. The only things eventful that happened were Furcowgon, Grimmjow saying he would quit if Pine was scum, and now this wagon. None of the former 2 were scum-tells.

Someone else posted this, but I felt it was necessary to repost it. He's saying only 3 things happened in the game at this point, the last of which was his wagon. He then says that the other two weren't scum-tells. This implies he thinks the third IS a scum wagon, which could indicate guilt.

My wagon was obviously not RVS unlike the other two.

I hate it when people say someone's a liability, we're all one town, everybody should have a say in everything, and everyone should listen,

but not act accordingly necessarily.

Can you clarify what you mean here, especially the bolded part?

They should acknowledge what everyone has to say, but they shouldn't always follow along with what someone says.

In post 149 he says that the Triangle vote was horrible, that Llama's flip-floping is null, but usually a scum-tell (fence sitting again, and

why is it null for Llama if it's

usually

a scum-tell?

) and then finally throws down his first real vote on Sleepy, which seems like nothing more than a blatant belated OMGUS vote. He called Triangle's vote on me bad, and then throws down an equally bad vote. Something isn't right here.

i'll reply to these posts in a separate post. too lazy to do it all in one.

This post bugs me as well. He says that Yates feels wrong to him, but votes Triangle (who we know was scum) based on "Triangle voted Yates right after Llama FoS'd Yates." His was the second vote on the wagon just after FoN unvoted, which was pretty even with a couple of other wagons.

Filler, filler, filler

States reads on Uphill-town, Implosion-unlikely-scum, Yates-more-likely-town.

Post 493 he gets VERY defensive over Pine being called scum by Sleepy for a bullshit "claim" that never really happened. This could be seen as town defending town, as I have a strong town read on Pine as well, which I'm more inclined to believe after having gone through this much of his ISO.

Then, almost 100 posts later...

hmm... Pine was one of my foses as well, not sure if I made that public, but I think I did.

Hey, remember that post I told you to keep in mind way back at the beginning of this ISO thingie? Yeah. Also, I put the url up there for others to go back and look at it in context.

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Everything about this post bothers me. He fence sits, says that he wants to hear more of Yates, says Uproar (Uphill?) has done well and then says:

I had a really bad feeling about implosion, but I never really pursued trying to lynch him thankfully.

I CANNOT understand this statement from a town mind-set. If you're town and you have a bad feeling about someone, pursue it. Either they will crumble under pressure, or they will be able to defend themselves adequately. I have never been in a situation in which I was on the wagon for a town mislynch that I honestly felt bad about, because I felt like the person lynched was scum. But it's the second part of this statement that bugs me the most. He said he was glad he didn't pursue his lynch. Keeping in mind that if I feel like someone may be scum, I intend to put pressure on them. If my feelings change, then I unvote. Otherwise, I keep my vote on them.
If I read this from a scum-mindset, I can totally understand this, however. It sounds like he was glad he didn't bring attention to himself. That's what I'm getting from this entire thing. Not that he's glad he didn't put pressure down because implosion was town, but because he didn't want the attention. At least, that's how I feel about this statement.

Filler, filler, filler.

He was just one of those eh players that was playing scummy, but wasn't that big of a concern.

Post 871
FoN is at L-2, but doesn't want to vote him because of quickhammer (totally understand that, but the day had LITERALLY just started) and says he wants a claim. Wait, didn't SS vote Sleepy because Sleepy wanted a claim at L-3 on him?

Technically my vote was on him, it's just I didn't want to place him at -1 and have someone quick hammer.

Next, he says he's suspicious of Yates again because of the quickhammer. He's flip flopped on Yates a LOT, hasn't he. This brings back to mind when he said that FoN's flip-flopping was usually a scum-tell but not in FoN's case. Well, flip-flopping is usually a scum-tell.

Another post that bugs me. He says worst-case is that FoN's not lynched, another townie is lynched, and FoN gets shot during Night for being a PR. He then goes on to say that worst-case isn't all that bad. But it is. Because we lose not only a townie, but two townies, one of which is a PR. So yes, yes it is bad. This also kinda sounds like role-fishing, or could be coaching his buddy into claiming a PR (which is not very likely, imo, as everyone in FoN is a seasoned player (as far as we know) and this would just be dumb).

He continues to state that "I'm going to vote you/I'm willing to vote you/consider my vote on you." Not bad scum tactic as this would prevent him from being on the actual wagon if FoN flipped town and he could say "Oh, well, I wasn't actually on the wagon, so my suspicion was less than that of those on the wagon."

Sounds like setting up mislynches.
Scum: 7.5/10

Vote: Soda

Hey, Soda, old buddy, I've got a few questions/thoughts for you in that giant wall in there. Can you clarify things for me?

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are you fucking serious. i had a huge wall of text and it didn't post?

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shoo kitty.

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... you're right. i'm terrible at quoting on this site.

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I buy Yates as scum over Uphill.