Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[Yates]

Hi All - Long time listener, first time caller. LOVE the game...

So, don't we usually

VOTE: No Lynch

on Day 1?

[Yates]

So, don't we usually

VOTE: No Lynch

on Day 1?

Nope. Where did you get the idea that we do?

Logic?

[Yates]

1. You come from Epic Mafia, don't you?
2. "Follow the Cop" is the stupidest strategy ever.

Both of these statements are true.

My feeling on the RVS is that it doesn't actually pressure anyone to do/reveal anything useful unless the player is a complete moron. However, I will concede that I haven't been a part of the scum hunt in these forums so I guess I will see how things play out a bit while being as useful as possible.

[Yates]

See post above.

[Yates]

Me too.

[Yates]

I would but then - who would I laugh at?

[Yates]

Already playing. And laughing.

[Yates]

So in this game you're supposed to treat each other like assholes; like Pine and SK? Got it.

You can learn so much in 8 short pages...

[Yates]

Sure didn't take you long to backpedal.

Intriguing.

[Yates]

FoN, if I were scum I'd - well - let you live. You are so bad at this game it would only help the Town.

[Yates]

I can only go by what I see here - in this game.

[Yates]

Also since I've played so poorly what on the above list do you disagree with?

There is nothing to "disagree" with as you have been making judgements based on no real information, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it's the baseless judgements that give me cause for concern? Fundamentally, the only thing I think I truly disagree with is basing any of your judgements on how a player may have played a previous game. Sometimes a poker player has a tell. Other times, a poker player has a setup "tell" that gets you to go all-in with a full house against a 4 of a kind.

My goal is read a bunch of posts from people I don't know and to figure out truly solid information based on logic and deductive reasoning that will result in a town win.

[Yates]

Wow, Triangle. You are pushing pretty hard for no reason and with no evidence. Wait - I put a hyphen in my post. Oh! And an ellipses... Those are surely scum tells. Now I see your rationale.

You'll notice that I didn't have a vote on the board [other than no lynch] expressly because I didn't feel as though there was any evidence to substantiate a vote. I'm not even bothered by people calling me scum or potential scum or scummy or whatever they want. That's how a discovery phase works. While I acknowledge that I'm not a fan of the sarcasm or tone of FoN or Sleepy's posts, I at least understand what they are trying to do. In fact, I believe that their pressure may have borne fruit in exposing YOU.

Vote: Triangle

Suspicious to me at present:
1. Triangle - Looks like you are trying to exploit a general distrust of Yates as seemingly the 2nd or 3rd option for players [190, 215, 224+225, 229+230, 237]. Plus, voting for a noob is the easy way out. No one is going to defend someone they don't know or particularly care for/about.
2. kondi2424 - random lynch vote with no explanation in 252

Less than suspicious to me at present:
1. Grimmjow - I agree with pretty much everything he says in post 253. A reluctance to random vote on Day 1 is not an immediate indicator of scum. To the contrary, it seems to indicate a reluctance to vote poorly. This is a position I at least understand. As indicated above, I also agree with his assessment of kondi. I can't even blame him for not liking my initial posts. I haven't had anything of substance to say until this post.
2. Implosion - Handled my "noob post" well in 176.
3. Sleepy - Handled my "cattle prod" well in 190.

Iffy:
Right now I'm iffy on Pine. Posts 195, 197 and 199, for example, show irrational flip-flopping. While that isn't an immediate incrimination because I did bait him a bit, it gives me cause for concern. At the very least, it gives me reason to pay a little extra attention to his posts and behavior.

[Yates]

I currently have no read on Soda or Reck.

[Yates]

Do you have any actual townreads?

There's no one I have identified as "absolutely positively" townie. I think that will require investigation information or confirmed scum hunting success. My "less than suspicious" list would be the people I would investigate later [after checking on more suspicious characters] if I had a cop/investigator role.

A good half of the "town" has yet to contribute anything substantive at this early juncture in the game.

[Yates]

saying you have varying degrees of scumreads but no townreads is a terrible way of doing this

I disagree. As I stated in post 296, "I think that [100% town read] will require investigation information or confirmed scum hunting success." If it makes you feel better, you may consider my "less than suspicious" list almost the same as a "town read."

@Sleepy Post 297:
I would argue that my "litmus posts" had a measured amount of content that served their purpose; to elicit player reactions and contextual responses. I noobed, baited, flamed, and just short of trolled to shake the tree and see what fell out. You, FoN, Reck, and Pine are doing essentially the same thing but in a far more obvious way presumably because you are known entities on this site.

[Yates]

Is mod allowing masons in this game? Neighbors? Best Friends?

Danke.

[Yates]

Kondi voted in 252

Posted 246, 252, 257, 260

Nothing useful, but at least he posted.

[Yates]

I have nothing to add other than that my vote stands but I was prodded so I'm posting.

Also, sorry that you had to take over for someone that posted scummy, wierdalexv. You have an uphill climb right now.

[Yates]

Vote Soda or Pine or Grimm or Reck.

Why are you not voting or pushing for Triangle?

[Yates]

Just so I don't get prodded again, my vote on Triangle stands and has not wavered.

[Yates]

Yates is POWERLURKING by the way.

This is an extremely specious and potentially deleterious statement. There's a difference between "powerlurking" and having said your piece for the day. Nothing has been said that would cause me to change my vote or that I would have uncommon insight into. I'm not used to the day phase lasting this long so you'll need to cut me some slack and see how I respond once we have something other than arbitrary accusations being tossed about.

If my corpse

does

happen to show up dead tomorrow, FoN, I hope the Town takes a good hard look at your nonsense. You have been measured and you have been found wanting.

[Yates]

Again, I'm just posting to show that I am reading and active but will not be changing my vote off of Triangle.

I am rereading to see how I fell about Soda and SKrew.

[Yates]

Where are you that you have no power yet, Triangle?

Here's why that sounds fishy: I know Southern NY [Orange County area] lost power but had their power restored early yesterday morning. Upstate NY [Saratoga/Albany/Schenectady County area] had pockets without power for a day. There were 15 houses in the Capital District without power for longer than a day and they have all been restored. Massachusetts is a little spottier, but they have pockets of 4 houses here and 5 houses there.

Link of truthiness: http://www1.nationalgridus.com/niagaram ... ormcenter/

[Yates]

Yeah. I pop in to say I have nothing to say because I have nothing to say. How about you shut your mouth down for a little while, vote how you want to vote, and let the day end? You are going off of shit and nonsense with no solid evidence of anything on anybody. I mean really? I'm half inclined to start a FoN wagon just to have some peace and reason for the rest of the game.

[Yates]

Reck, you up for exploring a FoN lynch D2? He's becoming scummy as all hell.

fuck yeah I would

Can I have an invite to this party?

...I mean really? I'm half inclined to start a FoN wagon just to have some peace and reason for the rest of the game.

[Yates]

Final Vote Count of Day One

Pine (5):

SleepyKrew, Uphill, Furcolow, Weirdalexv, Force of Nature.

These are my primary suspects. This is where you go to find your mafia scum.

I had a bad vibe on SKrew, initially [and, indeed, he may still be scum] but my vote is going with Force of Nature.

Vote: Force of Nature

FoN is doing a really bad job of trying to obfuscate obvious Town voting. At this point his antics have moved from being mildly irritating to flat out forum fecal discharge. There is no value in having him continue on for another day.

It will take an act of both Congress and God [or a clean investigation report] to move me off this vote.

[Yates]

How about we get two more on FoN, end the day early, and enjoy a bbq with our scum lynch?

[Yates]

My Town reads:

Nachomamma: He gets me. <3 http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3562385 That is a 100% accurate read on me and his "EpicMafia tendencies" are an excellent insight. I probably won't change my posting for this game but I'm keeping notes on how more effective players are able to make regular contributions rather than 1 or 2 time data dumps.

Reck: Was almost the hammer vote on Triangle and gave the Triangle wagon the final bit of traction needed to get the scum lynched.

Grimmjow: Has been one of my earliest town reads. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3531608

Implosion: RIP. Was another of my earliest town reads as noted in the link above.

Pine: Has worked his way up from "iffy" to town based less on his play and more on the mechanics of how the Pine vs Triangle wagons went down. It's too early in the game for a double-bus. The fact that Triangle turned scum means to me that Pine is Town. Simple logic.


My Scum Reads:

FoN: Post 714 http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3555033 best summarizes my frustration with FoN. FoN posts a lot and throws accusations around willy nilly seeing what sticks. When I search for true content reads on FoN? I find stuff like this post http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3555086 where FoN actively reminds a now-confirmed scum how to save her own scummy butt. HUGE red flag. Also, as you see from post 697, http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3554328 FoN was the vote that balanced the wagons between Triangle and Pine. Last ditch effort to save his scum sister? I believe so.

SleepyKrew: Let's face it, Sleepy looks bad for starting and staunchly arguing for the counter-wagon. It's as simple as that. I could always pile on with more links like this one http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3554775 or this one http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3555203 showing how hard SKrew tries to discredit anyone on the Triangle wagon [the RIGHT wagon] but these are reasons enough. Ok, ONE more reason - SKrew and WeirdAlex are the only two that never left the Pine counter wagon. I mean - NEVER. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3562252

WeirdAlex: In post 739 http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3556019 he claims "I'll hammer Triangle after school today." Then he never voted during the following 7 hours. It's

possible

the implosion hammer [3 votes later] came too soon for little Alex who was hard at work studying reading, writing, and 'rythmatic. The fact that Triangle was scum, however, makes it look more like WeirdAlex didn't want to hammer his scum buddy and was hoping someone else would jump on what was a relatively strong Pine wagon. Finally, as stated above, SKrew and WeirdAlex are the only two that never left the Pine counter wagon.



@Nacho - FoN posts like these http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3566180 [and any number of other posts - pick one] are simple fluff. One recognized scum tactic is to post enough fluff that LOOKS like content while serving no real purpose other than to confuse. That's where "FoN is doing a really bad job of trying to obfuscate obvious Town voting. At this point his antics have moved from being mildly irritating to flat out forum fecal discharge. " comes from. To me, it's clear as day.

[Yates]

SKrew is a decent lynch, too, as I outlined in my scum reads here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3566482

However, I would much rather be done with FoN. I appreciate that he is coming around on the Yates-Town idea but that just makes him feel even MORE scummy.

[Yates]

Skrew it. I'm comfortable with a SKrew lynch.

Unvote

Vote: SleepyKrew

Hammered.

[Yates]

@Nacho - I'm open to listening to your Uphill argument. I just REALLY dislike FoN.

[Yates]

My reasons were outlined before the SKrew foul up. [Sorry about that, btw]

Vote: Force of Nature

[Yates]

Unvote

because:

Stop the lynch on FoN

He's not lying about being Neighborized. I have no message in the Neighborhood, and Nacho never actually talked in it last night, but I recommended to Nacho that he Neighborize FoN and FoN knew that I was the other Neighbor. Nacho and I both believe he's Town.

And it PAINS me to do it. I was POSITIVE FoN and SKrew were scum. I totally screwed the pooch by hammering SKrew so fast but, like I said, I would have bet anything he was scum. That didn't turn out so well so I need to go back and reevaluate the conversations from the previous day before deciding what to do.

[Yates]

let's fucking go, 1v1
I will happily eat a lynch if I'm wrong but I'm not

Would you be willing to lynch first? If you turn up Town, I'll vote for FoN.

Despite my post above, I'm not 100% sold on FoN being Town. I'm willing to go back and reinterpret their posts, but I still don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling yet.

What do you say? Still willing to stick your neck out if your neck goes first?

[Yates]

let's fucking go, 1v1
I will happily eat a lynch if I'm wrong but I'm not

Would you be willing to lynch first? If you turn up Town, I'll vote for FoN.
...
What do you say? Still willing to stick your neck out if your neck goes first?

^This post, and his shameless flip-flop, practically bellows amateur scum.

@Reck - Yeah. Total noob scum move by me, there. Oh wait...

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

After ISOing FoN and reading his interactions with triangle, there's no fucking way that was bussing. shitfuckasscock.

Unvote

.

[Yates]

@Reck - Yeah. Total noob scum move by me, there. Oh wait...

what

Sorry. That was supposed to be @Pine.

[Yates]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3575849]Why exactly does confirmation of Force being neighborized cause you to unvote?[/quote]
It's more of a confluence of events. As I said when I tried to get a read on Reck with my "you first" post, I'm NOT sold on FoN = Town. However, given how certain I was that FoN and SKrew were both scum and seeing SKrew flip Town gave me enough reason to rethink my initial snap judgement. This is especially in light of how quickly I dropped the hammer [I was 99% sure!]. I still have a lot of questions about FoN [hence the "pains me" part], but I need some time to reprocess the last day's events.

My unvote is less a vote of confidence in FoN and more of a tool to buy myself more time in case of a flash lynch. I just don't want to be a part of one I'm not 100% sure on.

[Yates]

In that case, yes, it was.

It served its purpose, did it not?

[Yates]

lolwhut? Served what purpose? I was saying yes, it was a noobish, scummy mistake. Die now, please.

If Sleepy's town flip was the reason you decided to rethink your "snap judgment" on Force, then why was the first thing you did today jumping on the Force insta-wagon?

This doesn't add up.

@Pine - I was able to get a read off of Reck as a result of his response to my question. I am confident that I'm not the only one that found the response useful. Your inability to understand the significance of his response does not lessen the value of my post. You are a failure.

@Uphill - Your failure to follow simple logic or to understand contextual reading comprehension is what "doesn't add up." I will break up my thought process into bullet points so you can wrap your simple mind around it:
- SKrew flipped Town even though I was SURE he was scum. That made me sad.
- I jumped onto the FoN wagon immediately [a wagon I would have started, btw] b/c that's who I wanted to lynch yesterday. Easy enough to understand, right?
- FoN made a case for himself [that I wasn't buying] and claimed to be Nacho's neighbor [which I also wasn't buying]. Step 1.
- Pine verified that FoN was *likely* not lying. Step 2.
- If I am to believe that FoN and Nacho were neighbors, I would also believe that FoN would want Nacho around - even if he WAS scum. Step 3.
- Step 2 + Step 3 + SKrew flipping Town + My Hammer vote on SKrew = Yates wants to buy more time to review everything
- Obvious solution? Unvote so as to not be part of a flash lynch and use a couple extra days of testimony before making up my mind.

That logic is 100% firm. Your failure to understand this simple thought process has me inclined to beleive you are either a. of below average intelligence [and thus nearly useless in terms of testimony] or b. possibly scum trying to pretend there is smoke where there is none.

So which is it? Are you

stupid

or are you

scum?

[Yates]

What's your defense for when I flip Town, Uphill? Start working on it now.

[Yates]

Dear Pine, Uphill, & Furc,

Would you please explain to the Town why you think I voted for scum early on Day 1 and stayed on scum throughout if I am scum?
- Here's a hint: it was too early in the game for a bus so I wouldn't.
- Here's a free 2nd hint: it would have been too easy for me to jump on the Pine wagon and tip the lynch towards him thus saving my scum buddy if I were actual scum.

Would you please also explain to the town why I would target the one person who I felt I had "convinced" I was Town if I were scum?
- Linky: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3562385
- Here's a hint: if I were actual scum, the LAST people I would lynch would be people that are championing Yates as Town.

The answers to these questions will prove very useful to the Town should I end up lynched or dead. Logic. It's the enemy of scum.

Thank you for your consideration.

[Yates]

Dear Pine, Uphill, and Furc,

Quite a bit of time has passed and I still don't have an answer to the two VERY simple questions asked here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3580781

If you are Town and can't come up with a valid reason, perhaps you should reconsider your vote. If you are scum and can not provide a valid reason, it's because there isn't one. Double bus on Day 1 with no pressure makes zero sense in any world. Your inability to explain yourself just makes you look shady, stupid, and/or worthless.

[Yates]

You're beating a dead horse.

I was unaware the horse was dead. I saw Pine changed his vote, but the rationale for the vote in the first place could provide important insight at a later date.

What is your opinion of Uphill, Reck, Grimm and Furc?

I can't get a good read on Grimm. I must admit that his frequent "absences" are annoying me and reminiscent of what happened with Triangle ["OMG! Snow in October! My power is out!"]. That has me leaning towards scum. Then again:

Final Vote Count of Day One
Triangle123 (7): SodaSpirit17, Yates, Grimmjow, Nachomamma8, Pine, xRECKONERx, Implosion.
Pine (5): SleepyKrew, Uphill, Furcolow, Weirdalexv, Force of Nature.

Not Voting (1): Triangle123.

With seven votes Triangle123 has been lynched. Triangle123 was a 1-Shot Mafia Rolecop.

He

was

an early adopter on the Triangle wagon, which would have been odd for scum.

Reck can be difficult to read but is likely Town.

I still have very strong reservations about you, FoN. The reasons have already been addressed earlier.

Uphill and Furc also remain on my suspicious list while I have Weirdalex just behind you in terms of suspicion. My current scum list priority looks like this:

1. FoN
2. Weirdalex
3. Uphill
4. Furc

I just wish I had taken the time to reread SKrew. In retrospect, I realize my mistake in judgment with him was a failure on my part to recognize he was the FIRST member of the Pine wagon. While that could certainly be categorized as scum behavior, it is also fairly typical Town behavior early on in the game. He simply made a bad read early in the game and I penalized him too hard for it. I will not be making that mistake again.

[Yates]

Leaning town:
FoN

Leaning scum:
Yates
Soda
Uphill

These are terrible reads. 2/3 of your supposed scum were on the Triangle wagon that could have easily lynched your one and only Town read. Your only Town "lean" was on the Pine wagon that you claim was bad. You make no sense.

[Yates]

Force of Nature -- HAS TO BE TOWN because that shit with triangle D1 is 88% not-a-bus... despite ::moonlogic:: and scummy play

I'm not following why FoN "HAS TO BE TOWN." I hate to be the contrarian voice but if I had to vote right this second, I'd almost certainly put my vote back down on FoN. I'm going to give it another 24 hours or so to see if something more juicy crops up.

One thing I do like about your breakdown is this:

Weirdalexv -- thought kondi was scummy, and alex has done nothing to alleviate those suspicions. Possible scum.

I actually forgot about post 252 when I did my scum reads. I know I posted that as suspicious before kondi was replaced out by Weirdalex. Weirdalex made #2 on my scum list of his own accord.

I'm left trying to decide if I should vote for FoN - currently my strongest scum read - or Weirdalex - who was number 2 but may have just surpassed FoN on my list. One thing FoN has going for him [them] is at least he is posting content. Content is readable where absence is absence. This actually makes Weirdalex less valuable even if he is a

slightly

weaker read.

I think I'm starting to pick up on this style of play a little better so I see where posting any accusations/data can be useful.

[Yates]

Which ones? Were they after this?

PEOPLE I'D LYNCH TODAY:
triangle
kondi
Force of Nature
SleepyKrew

This exchange is exceedingly soft-handed:
FoN post 254 - "I didn't like Triangle's selection of the obvious thing to pick on, but I've actually convinced myself he's town at this point."

Triangle post 255 - "FoN's hopping is making my head spin, but isn't really something that strikes me as particularly scummy."

[Yates]

can you not read the insane amount of flipping back and forth and dissonance FoN had on triangle

I did but none of that was very damning. I'll put it to you this way; it wasn't reason enough for you not to make post 324 wherein you still thought FoN was scummy along with Triangle. My question is simply; what made you change your mind? That evidence was all preexisting and, might I add, fresher in your mind back when you thought FoN was scum. I'm just not understanding the leap in logic.

[Yates]

Oh my bad. I thought that was after the Triangle flip.

[Yates]

Meh. Uphill is #3 on my list. I'm still torn between FoN and Weirdalex. The fact that admin is going to be finding a 2nd replacement for the same role and both previous roles came up shady has me inclined to

Vote: Weirdalex

.

FoN lives another day...

[Yates]

@Yates: Why is it scummy for a slot to be replaced twice?

That's not the scummy part - that's just the annoying part. I have underlined my actual reason for clarity:

The fact that admin is going to be finding a 2nd replacement for the same role and

both previous roles came up shady

has me inclined to

Vote: Weirdalex

.

[Yates]

Update to add: another reason I'm not immediately jumping on the Uphill wagon is because FoN [my now 2nd most suspicious person] is on the Uphill wagon. Granted, I realize it could be a bus. I'll be paying attention to how/why FoN moves his vote if/when he does. I think that will give us more insight into both as suspects.

[Yates]

@Thor - your predecessors did you no favors. Get caught up and let us know if there's a good reason to unvote you.

Welcome to Mini 1262!

[Yates]

Grimm... seriously?

9

of your 29 posts [not counting "/confirm" as a post] to date have been some form of "I'll post thoughts later because I'm too busy irl." That's more than 30% of your posts containing nothing but an announcement of your procrastination.

post 43, url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3525604]post 127[/url], post 294, post 559, post 643, post 847, post 967, post 988, post 1042

When I put you in to isolation, you accuse people of making [url=www.https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtop ... 0#p3525470]fluff posts[/url] as being "not pro-town" yet have contributed nothing of substance yourself. Actually, that's an exaggeration. You have made TWO attempts at advancing the game with post 253 [questions to kondi and FoN] and 326 [FINALLY giving us some reads].

2

out of 29 posts [less than

7%

!!] contain content??

You need to quit and get replaced or do better. I'm making a better case against you if you don't.

[Yates]

@Yates - What's the case on me?

I'll give you 3 good reasons:

1. Random lynch vote.
Why this is scummy: SleepyKrew flipped Town. There was a wagon on SKrew later, but that wagon didn't start until odd behavior until later on in day 2. A good wagon on Triangle-Scum had been started and he distanced himself.

This play earned him a spot on my suspicious list.


2. Opportunity to hammer scum but "I'll hammer Triangle after school today."
Why this is scummy: Triangle flipped scum. If he knew he was going to vote for Triangle anyway, why didn't he just do it? The fact that Triangle later flipped scum casts suspicion on this action because it now looks like a rookie scum play of "oh I meant to vote for that person but ran out of time" when you actually know that your scum partner is about to be lynched.

3. Jumped on the wrong wagon.
Why this is scummy: everyone can make a mistake HOWEVER, when there is a 50/50 wagon going and 1 flips scum? That looks bad for anyone on the counter wagon as, presumably, scum wouldn't want to lynch their own scum buddy.

These 2 plays earned him a spot on my suspicious list INDEPENDENT of kondi's play.

To be fair, now that I've written this out, I'm a

little

less sold on konid/weirdalex/Thor scum but points 2 + 3 are REALLY damning.

[Yates]

TBH - I can't disagree with your assessment more and it sounds like a defense by cornered scum grasping at straws. These feeble excuses actually make you sound even scummier. I am especially baffled by your defense of point 2. From a Town perspective, that move looks TERRIBLE in retrospect and I think you know it. The fact you are somehow trying to turn that around into a TOWN tell? I can't even begin to understand the failure in that logic.

[Yates]

I'm not sold on Uphill-Town but he is on the money with this post, Thor. ^^

You are in absolutely NO way obv-Town and haven't even presented a compelling argument for being null-Town. I understand your willingness to jump on your counterwagon as that is a null value play [scum would do it to save his bacon just as quickly as Town would] but what's with the sheeping?

[Yates]

I buy Yates as scum over Uphill.

Then you're getting a rotten deal.

I'd like to see the case on me. I have ISO-ed myself and fancy myself a man about Town.

[Yates]

@Yates - the case on you is that I dislike your face and have a beard.

Unable to come up with a case, this is your defense? You are clearly not playing as Town or thinking as Town or acting like Town. For all of these reasons, as well as reasons outlined above, my vote remains.

[Yates]

Triangle was "suspicious" of yates, unvoting, then questioned people about why they would vote Yates
it felt fake

WTF are you talking about? I voted once on day 1 and it was a Triangle lynch. Are you drunk?

[Yates]

I think you have me confused with FoN.

[Yates]

Furc and Soda; is there a reason you are not on the Thor wagon? He keeps telling me I'm a dumb noob so I'm hoping one of you can tell me what I am misunderstanding. It would have more weight coming from someone... well... not him.

Thanks.

[Yates]

Yates, you are a noob. And your stubborn refusal to improve or even recognize that you need to improve makes you kinda dumb.

That's why I'm asking Furc and Soda for their feedback. I'm working on improving and still like my logic so far. I've actually heard enough from you and Thor so maybe feedback from them - with a new perspective - will trigger that "ah-ha" moment you are hoping I'll find.

[Yates]

Thor - you are entertaining, I'll give you that. I'd like to see what you could do with a Town role some time.

Just for giggles - who are the two people we need better reads on [Grimm and...?] and what are YOUR reads on those two?

[Yates]

1. Yates is scum. It just radiated from him to me.

My voting and the progress of this game says otherwise.

I still have Thor scum 1, and FoN scum 2. It looks like Soda/Seacore is the most likely final scum.

Vote: Thor

This is a good lynch and Town needs to get on board already.

[Yates]

Dude, that's balls. Take all the time you need.

^

[Yates]

Is it common to have a tracker vs. a cop in a small game like this?

[Yates]

I don't understand why people are allowing themselves to be sheeped by Seacore/SodaSpirit when Soda was a primary lynch target for the majority of the game. Right now I see Thor and Seacore doing most of the talking and they are both scummy and I'm not buying what they are selling.

Vote Thor and take care of Seacore tomorrow.

[Yates]

You have to look at it from my perspective:
I know you are scum. I suspected Soda of being scum. Scum + scummy piling on a 3rd option that has roleclaimed is reason enough for me NOT to vote to lynch that person.

[Yates]

It's a theory. I can't comment on how reck has played games in the past. Obviously, a Day 1 bus *could* make sense but that doesn't mean that's what happened. Like I said, my feeling on you being Scum plus my feeling on Soda *probably* being scum are much stronger than this theory which doesn't have any realy supporting evidence.

[Yates]

Tell you what, Thor, I'll vote for Reck tomorrow if you flip Town.

[Yates]

Well, he had plenty of opportunities to change his vote and didn't. He could have also changed the 50/50 wagon from Triangle to Pine but didn't. I freely admit that Reck has been my most difficult read.