Open 354: Twin Trap in Morecambe (Concluded)

[Thomas]

I'm here.

Vote: Trevor

For having a townread on me then voting me.

[Thomas]

@Thomas:

I'm here.

Vote: Trevor

For having a townread on me then voting me.

Is this a serious post?

Uhh... yeah. But RVS.

[Thomas]

FoS: Trevor

So why didn't the first one bother you?

OMGUS. ^

It's better to accuse someone of bandwagoning when you see it many times, not just once. It makes a case stronger the more you see it.

don_johnson, I don't find our conversation to be useful for town. I mean, I wish to get more intel on your alignment, but the only thing I see is that you are pissed. You know, this is not quite a town tell at all, even may be a scumtell. Needless to say, it could be easily faked.

Yes. Your conversation is clogging the thread with pointless posts.

I don't get any pro-town vibes from Trevor right now so my vote will remain for the time being.

[Thomas]

Wait, bandwagoning is not a bad thing! How else the town could nail a scum? No one someone should be accused for doing it. The only thing that matters is motivation. I think both recent votes by Adc75 were good reasoned. Well, one may think that I saying this just for gain support to my case on DJ. Fair enough. At least the 1st Adc's non-RVS one, i.e. vote on me, was good mitivated, trust me on that.

If we let people off for bandwagoning then scum could get by easily without being suspected.

Does anyone else get a town vs. town vibe as this little spat plays out?

I haven't taken a stance yet on this but I think this time could be better used scum hunting than this 1 vs. 1 argument, it gets us nowhere.

[Thomas]

Can you clarify if you think I'm being scummy, or are just referring to scum in general?

OMGUS is not a scum tell so no, that is not scummy. And about bandwagoning, I don't think a case can be BUILT on that, rather bandwagoning is stronger when added on to a case that is already made.

I like that you're not ready to call anyone town yet.

Okay? And are you saying that's scummy, pro-town or null?

[Thomas]

Opa vs. DJ is reading more like TvT to me as I am skim-reading when I have time.

Why is it T vs. T? I still don't see it. Do you think it's because both are getting really aggressive?

I just iso'ed Adc75 and I noticed most posts are active lurking and only one sentence long. I would like him to share more thoughts. Adc75, what do you think of Opa vs. DJ?

Opa and DJ: enough with this 1 vs. 1. It's not helping find scum.

[Thomas]

You, my dear sir, are not watching the thread. Adc75 was the first who shared his thoughts on this situation.

In only 1-2 lines... He should post more than that.

The reason I am finding them more town from both sides is because of the intent of the posts behind both sides, I don't see scum motivation from either side trying to manipulate the argument in their favour. Why don't you see it as TvT? What makes one of them scum to you? Is the aggressiveness and rancor the reason you are judging them?

I did not say one of them is scummy. I have just not taken a stance yet so from my eyes, both are null at this time. I suppose the aggressiveness could be a slight town-tell here for both because I really doubt scum would want to attract so much attention right now and it has brought Jora all the way to L-1.

[Thomas]

^^ this i don't follow. it seems you are trying to have the argument both ways. if someone says the argument is "town on town" and you "don't see it" then that means you still have reservations. I guess i see your point when i actually say it out loud, but "null" is a read and not an alignment, so i think generally when someone says i "don't see them as town" it implies that you see them as scum. but this could be a misunderstanding of sorts.

When I started writing that reply I had not taken a stance yet but by the end I did sort of take a stance after reading the whole reply from [J].

[Thomas]

Mod: Prod Adc75 please.

Are you serious? That attack is terrible. I had to reread it a couple times just to understand where the scum motivation was.

What

is

the scum motivation there?

I'm getting a better feeling from Trevor now so

Unvote: Trevor

[Thomas]

Back and ready to go, sorry for needing to be prodded everybody. I'll need a little time to catch up and post my thoughts, should be done with that tonight.

I don't see your updated thoughts yet...

It looks like people are going after Sampson. I will go back and re-read some posts in the thread before I can decide where to put my vote but I don't see much of a case on Sampson right now.

[Thomas]

I call people town based on gut, not so much of seeing posts as town, but rather, I don't see posts that are scummy

Gut reads don't help and town reads don't either. Give more scum reads. In post #134 I see that you said "I think narwhal is town because the way he's been questioning and posting, makes me think town. Also somewhat of a gut read" but now it's only a gut read? Can you explain this more because right now I feel that you are saying all your town reads are gut reads as defense because you have been caught having a town read on someone with little reasoning. Unless you're scum I don't see how you could have a town read so early in the game and don't post gut reads, they don't help. Once Adc75 wanted you to show everyone these posts that apparently gave you a town read on daftnarwhal, you then contradicted yourself and said that the read was based only on gut. That's odd...

[Thomas]

Welcome kuribo! I would like to hear your thoughts on things so far.

[Thomas]

Alright. For a moment I thought you replaced in but then you were gonna be V/LA for a while but I guess it's the mod who will be V/LA.

[Thomas]

What is this crap? His "townread" was obviously a joke. His vote on you was to get you to come into the thread and actually (gasp) play Mafia. I know it's a bit much to ask, but.

Both of us were just screwing around in RVS. I'm sorry I have a busy schedule and I was unable to post right away because I don't sit in front of a computer screen all day.

man, you're really gonna hate playing with me, then.

and why aren't you getting pro-town vibes from Trevor? Why not explain why?

I don't remember exactly why because that was a while ago but looking back, I think it was just because he hadn't done anything pro-town that I saw.

yeah, bullcrap. scum use this as an excuse all the time.

3-4 links to the games or admit your lie.

hahahahahahahaha


what the fuck is this shit


are you fucking serious

don's facepalm doesn't even begin to express how fucking stupid this statement is



fuck man, REALLY?

I don't think that is a scum tell. More like a null tell. And you can't even back this up.

Where the hell is JonWJ007?

[Thomas]

I'm not convinced because I do that as town. I would probably do that as scum as well. Therefore it evens out at null.

[Thomas]

we're just asking you to fucking post

I know and my busy schedule prevented me from posting earlier. It hadn't even been 24 hours since the game started.

[Thomas]

i didn't say that town doesn't do it


i said that scum does it, too, and they use it as an excuse to get away with scummy behavior

Okay but if it's something that town can do as well then do you think it's a good reason to accuse someone?

[Thomas]

That's irrelevant. I am not talking about voting.

[Thomas]

voting =/= accusing for reactions

[Thomas]

You're the dumbass here for using a null tell to accuse somebody.

[Thomas]

Actually, if anything this argument had made me suspicious of Thomas. I only said Kuribo needs to chill because he's screaming and cursing every other word.

Explain this.

in the meantime, I want to know why Thomas felt the need to defend Jora?

I did not defend Jora, I was proving that your "scum tell" is a null tell.

[Thomas]

Jora's got some explaining to do here. There was a vote count right above Sampson's post and if he was actually reading the thread then he would see that Sampson was talking about Kuribo before unvoting. I don't get this.

FoS: Jora

[Thomas]

Because I want to wait for him to respond. Where the hell is daftnarwhal? He was posting in other threads on the site yesterday I see.

[Thomas]

That's a half ass post above this one. Do you have anything else to say? You haven't posted since page 12 and now you just make a 10 word post.

[Thomas]

Well it's not me so if you have a good lead or something then that makes him scum. But he's really gotta post more (useful information).

[Thomas]

I could say the same about you: If you disregard all your posts then you haven't contributed at all. The point is: DAFTNARWHAL NEEDS TO POST SOMETHING USEFUL.

hmmmm... what an interesting statement.

There is nothing else to say when you make random accusations out of nowhere that are based on almost nothing.

[Thomas]

thomas: why? why do you have to be so apathetic here? is it you and narwahl?

I want daftnarwhal to stop lurking because in another game I played, this person was lurking in the way daftnarwhal is and he flipped scum later when he got lynched. His lack of posts made it harder to find his partner but we did win in the end. I am not scum, so no, I am not daftnarwhal's partner.

[Thomas]

Jora's explanation for hammering is terrible. So, daftnarwhal, you think Jora is scum?