Open 354: Twin Trap in Morecambe (Concluded)
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Well nothing real substantial but those first few posts between you and GNR seemed off. Your comments seemed weird to me. I know that's not a lot to go by, but the interaction seemed a lot like J trying to distance himself from GNR a bit while buddying him a little, so I found that odd.Town 1-1
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↑ J wrote:↑ Sampson wrote:@J: You realize you have more scumreads than there are scum, right? You're basically saying you're willing to lynch half of the players here. That just doesn't sit well with me. It makes it way too easy to just switch from one bandwagon to another. I do agree about Opa and DJ being town, though. The motivation behind Opa/Jora's posts seems to be largely (if not primarily) motivated for emotional/personal reasons. I know you're on V/LA and all, but until you explain your reads, my vote's on you.
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Yes I do realize I have more "scum-reads" then there are scum. I also did not say I have scum-reads on You/Daft but you guys are just null who I don't really mind seeing going because I do not mind losing nulls because I could be wrong on them. Adc is the only real scum-read I have and Thomas is just a lean.
I don't get why you are voting me really because the action you are saying I am doing is not scummy really. =P
The reason I am finding them more town from both sides is because of the intent of the posts behind both sides, I don't see scum motivation from either side trying to manipulate the argument in their favour. Why don't you see it as TvT? What makes one of them scum to you? Is the aggressiveness and rancor the reason you are judging them?
But are you completely sure that your townreads are actually town? Or your scumreads? If Adc is your real scum-read and Thomas is a lean then just say that, and push for a lynch on them. I agree that it makes you look like you are covering your tracks. If you have a null on me, fine, but being okay with lynching nulls is not a good idea for a town player. I think that scum would say something like that. And, even if you are not scum, it helps them. Now they know that they can push any of several players and you will be fine with it. Do you think it is beneficial for town to lynch someone who you view as null?Town 1-1
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[J] wrote:Do you really think I'd just be like "Oh they are pushing a null, I'm okay with this."? Nooooo way in hell my good sir.
Yes, I do think that. Because you told us this:
↑ J wrote:Sampson, The reason I am okay with lynching them, is because of the fact I could be wrong on them.I don't mind losing nulls/null-scum leans because I could be wrong on them.I am wanting to lynch those I find are scummy, look at my votes and what I am doing. Where did I say I am not lynching people who are scummy? =3
↑ J wrote:↑ Sampson wrote:@J: You realize you have more scumreads than there are scum, right? You're basically saying you're willing to lynch half of the players here. That just doesn't sit well with me. It makes it way too easy to just switch from one bandwagon to another. I do agree about Opa and DJ being town, though. The motivation behind Opa/Jora's posts seems to be largely (if not primarily) motivated for emotional/personal reasons. I know you're on V/LA and all, but until you explain your reads, my vote's on you.
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Yes I do realize I have more "scum-reads" then there are scum.I also did not say I have scum-reads on You/Daft but you guys are just null who I don't really mind seeing going because I do not mind losing nulls because I could be wrong on them.Adc is the only real scum-read I have and Thomas is just a lean.
I don't get why you are voting me really because the action you are saying I am doing is not scummy really. =P
These statements seem very contradictory. You say that you are not okay with people pushing a null (in the first quoted post) but then you go on to say in the others that you are fine with your null reads being lynched. Which is it? You said you try to have an open mind with the thread, but it seems to me from what you said that you pursue your scumreads, but you just don't care what other people do. I find this to be really scummy.
[J] wrote:How is being fine with lynching nulls not fine? By saying that statement, I got reactions out of it. I also gauged for how others felt based on it. I also have no problem with getting rid of nulls for me because I have no read on them so if they flip town, there are stuff to follow based on their interactions and if they are scum, then good for us.
So was reaction-hunting the reason you said what you did? And I don't like your explanation. I don't think that lynching for connections is a good way for town to play.Town 1-1
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@GNR So you findmesuspicious becauseyouare calling me town? And I have posted lately. Look at #180. What do you think of it? And looking over the thread, I posted more recently than you before your #196, so I'm not trying to coast. And, I don't really like the way you've been posting. Call it a gut read, but you haven't really pushed anyone and haven't given any real scumreads so far. And, you call people town a lot (twice) without giving much of a reason. I think that is kinda suspicious.Town 1-1
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Looking over the early part of the thread again, does anyone find it odd how fast the Jora/DJ thing fizzled out? Sampson got a little suspicion thrown on him, and all of a sudden no suspects DJ or Jora anymore. I think one of the scum is in DJ/Jora/Sampson. It looks, too, like Jora bussed Sampson. He had his vote on DJ, then very abruptly takes off. He then votes Sampson for lurking and doesn't push him, then accidentally hammers GNR. And he has weird reasoning with Sampson's post. And also interestingly, DJ backed off the two people he had strong reads on, because they were persistent. I think that is scummy reasoning for switching votes.Town 1-1
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