Open 354: Twin Trap in Morecambe (Concluded)

[kuribo]

LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED

[kuribo]

easy on 'er, dude, i gotta read the game first

[kuribo]

nah, i don't do V/LA

if i ever did go V/LA in a game, they'd probably lynch me for playing against my town meta

[kuribo]

okay, time to catch up and find out what you people were doing before i came along to break the game for the town

[kuribo]

I tend to post things as I re-read, so just bear with me.

[kuribo]

lets get this show on the road, i got ALOT of badly played LyLo's to make up for!

What have I done to deserve "the least dangerous" title?

Let's see, Thomas is less dangerous than I in terms that there are less people who suspect him. A little contradictory, are we?

Why were you so paranoid this early on? "No! Don't vote me, vote HIM!"

I'm here.

Vote: Trevor

For having a townread on me then voting me.

What is this crap? His "townread" was obviously a joke. His vote on you was to get you to come into the thread and actually (gasp) play Mafia. I know it's a bit much to ask, but.

UNVOTE:

interesting, you know who tends to get worried about leaving random votes on people, especially when they're in no danger? i'll give you a hint, their win condition rarely involves eliminating threats to the town

[J] is town
admitting to a mistake I think is town.

J was town, but this looks like blatant buddying because the "mistake" he admitted to had no bearing on the game.

haha. obviously the latter. i'm out for a night of drinking. i'll read this from the start tomorrow in the AM. was kind of waiting for this to grow a few pages before jumping in.

for some reason i keep thinking i once replaced you in a game

VOTE: Opa

That vote post just requires a vote.

oooh, look, is this scum piling onto a quick wagon?

VOTE: [J]

if Opa is scum, this is pretty clear counterbussing

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okay, i'm 1/3 of the way through this. if any of you people have some issue with anything i've commented on, save it until i'm done

[kuribo]

Well nothing real substantial but those first few posts between you and GNR seemed off. Your comments seemed weird to me. I know that's not a lot to go by, but the interaction seemed a lot like J trying to distance himself from GNR a bit while buddying him a little, so I found that odd.

it seems odd because that's a stupid, meaningless statement. "oh, well, he was distancing while buddying." that's like saying he painted something black while painting it yellow.

My unsubstantial vote was made for the sake of reaction hunting.

yeah, bullcrap. scum use this as an excuse all the time.

VOTE: Don Johnson

I believe we've found our first scum, girls and boys.

well, no, quicklynching is stupid, but not necessarily scummy.

What a weird stream of consciousness! Huh. I'll try to reply, anyways. Sorry for delay, though. It's rather hard for me because English is not my 1st langusege.
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Don't worry I have a simple question for your entertainment which made me laught every time I see an overdefensive scum's textwalls:

Why are you desperately burn the candle at both ends trying to prove to me that your good townie, while have a vote on me? If you think that i'm scum, you shouldn't be worried so much.

this is patently ridiculous, because wordy does not = scum

in fact, this post looks like classic paranoid scum overreaction

unvote

,

vote:adc

That's the second time you've bandwagoned on a vote.

I like this vote. ADC needs more hate.

Trevor, bandwagons are good. Only reckless are bad. The question therefore is: do feel no reasons for voting me or DJ? Why?

Hmmm... trying to derail some of the attention from ADC? If bandwagons are "good," why are you opposed to one on ADC?

FoS: Trevor

So why didn't the first one bother you?

Why an FOS? Why not a vote? Why such a stupid goddamn question? How do you not see why someone would be alarmed at you being on two bandwagons, but not on one?

don_johnson, I don't find our conversation to be useful for town.

all conversation is useful to the town. "no no, let's stop talking!"

Yes. Your conversation is clogging the thread with pointless posts.

I don't get any pro-town vibes from Trevor right now so my vote will remain for the time being.

man, you're really gonna hate playing with me, then.

and why aren't you getting pro-town vibes from Trevor? Why not explain why?

Wait, bandwagoning is not a bad thing! How else the town could nail a scum? No one someone should be accused for doing it. The only thing that matters is motivation. I think both recent votes by Adc75 were good reasoned. Well, one may think that I saying this just for gain support to my case on DJ. Fair enough. At least the 1st Adc's non-RVS one, i.e. vote on me, was good mitivated, trust me on that.

bandwagoning ISN'T a bad thing, but it's because you can analyze the wagon

and from my analysis of the wagon ADC just piled right onto the second one with a lame, bullshit reason

Why are you mentioned [J] here? I thought it was only me who told about an ongoing game. It kinda looks strange, bro.

what? Joropa, this is ridiculous, and it looks even stranger that you would question him on it

I don't understand the foundation of opa's case on DJ.

Step by step, why do I suspecting him:
1. I don't like his RVS vote. Delilah? Too complicated IMO. But that is nothing compared to what he've done next.
2. He was too passive. Taking into account that he's the oldest player on site here, and we have rerlatively large number of newbies/lowposters I find this:
to be serious crime against this town.
3. This post was truly amaizing and briliant: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3569153
4. OMGUS vote as of itself is a scumtell, besides he almost hammered me. Without any good reason.
5. He blatantly shitting the thread with misrepresentation of my case, instead of being constructive.

please, for the love of god, don't make me explain why i find this post idiotic

Why do I said this? You discredited both of me and Adc in the same post.

why do you care what he does to ADC?

now you have, yes. oh. except why you voted me. can you reiterate that please?


wtf are you talking about? i clearly stated that i planned on posting. my activity level varies from game to game. just bvecause i was "passive" for three pages does not make me an "advocate". it makes me "passive", which according to your own logic, is a towntell.


its a biblical reference. its only complicated if you are a moron.


since when is honesty a crime? also, as of post 99, thomas had two posts. and you saw him viewing the thread. and yet instead of waiting for his "reaction", you voted me for passivity. why the double standard when it comes to thomas?


FUCK YOU. i have been polite. i have asked questions. i have responded. it's not my problem that english is your second language.

oh hells yeah, now we're getting to the good shit. i live for hate! call him a moron again!

No. It says }|{opa. Sitewide rules are applied, so be nice or GTFO.

so wait, you're threatening him with rules because he's not being nice? fuck that. you're panicking at this point, because you know no one's seeing through your dumb case.

Does anyone else get a town vs. town vibe as this little spat plays out?

UNVOTE: DJ

We need something in this thread other than butt-hurt.

no. no, i don't at all, scum

I like that you're not ready to call anyone town yet.

this right here amounts to "hay lurkers are an easy mislynch, and i can get my buddy to stop arguing with town!"

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man was that really only two pages? i do like the fact that you guys are raging at one another. an angry town is a successful town.

[kuribo]

It means I like it.

what a smug little non answer for shame. that's a bad scum, that's a very bad scum. where's my rolled up newspaper? i gotta smack this scum on the nose.

I'd really hate to say it, but I don't really have a scum read on anyone. It's pretty much all null reads. I do think narwhal is scum though

WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL IS THIS

"i don't think anyone is scum. everyone is middle of the road. narwhal is scum."

oh my god, if you two are scumbuddies together, my head will explode.

EBWOP:
That should be "narwhal is TOWN though"
I was thinking about other stuff, including who could be scum?, so I wrote scum instead of town

see, that just makes me consider even more the possibility that you two are scum buddies.

Can you direct the town to the posts that make you feel like Narwhal's town?

ah, and now ADC distances himself from obvscum. if he's their scum buddy, he's all "shit, these morons have just gotten caught. better make myself look good"

This is in addition to equally bizarre reasoning such as assuming all old players are aggressive

if he thinks these guys are aggressive, he hasn't seen anything yet

I wait for [J] and GNR to comment on this situation. I do not get tunelled yet. You such a hypocrite! My excessive comments on the case is caused by you. You get tunneled on me, all we know this. Stop asking stupid questions and misreping my case. Give others a chance to ask if they want.

awww look at him scumplaining

Here it is. You ask for a quickhammer! Scum. Now try and tell me how this was pro-town. And I get tunelled on you for no reason.

no he fucking didn't! he specifically asked for NOT A QUICKHAMMER. this post is disingenuous as fuck.

@ Mod, I ask force replacement of a player named don_johnson. He keep insulting me. I asked him to type my username correctly OR to call me Jora.

geez, look at this guy trying to get his #1 attacker kicked out of the game.

and for misspelling your user name?! really? REALLY? do you know how many god damn times i've been called "kurbio?"

(PS- you were insulting him too)

I change my mind, opa's last posts feel town. Adc is the best lynch today still.

agree about ADC, disagree about Joropa looking town for having a shitfit over being attacked. WELCOME TO MAFIA. IT IS A FUCKING GAME WHERE PEOPLE WILL CHALLENGE YOUR MOTIVES.

@J: You realize you have more scumreads than there are scum, right? You're basically saying you're willing to lynch half of the players here. That just doesn't sit well with me.

what the fuck is this shit? having a scumread does not necessarily imply wanting to lynch them right now. i, for example, tend to assume that everyone in the game is scum, unless role-confirmed to me, mod-confirmed, or dead. i work backwards from there.

You, my dear sir, are not watching the thread. Adc75 was the first who shared his thoughts on this situation.

well, i mean, his thoughts were crap and he was trying to help out his scum buddy. (you, you are his scum buddy)

All of you, Trevor, Sampson, daftnarwhal, Thomas are having less posts then our Mod. And this is bad. I don't like lurkers.

"I'M GOING TO STOP ATTACKING DONTOWN AND GO AFTER A LURKER" classic scum move

i think its prety normal to have a larger lynch pool than there are scum. especially on day 1.

jesus, don, if you get any more town, i might have to break out "too town to be town"

Are you serious? That attack is terrible. I had to reread it a couple times just to understand where the scum motivation was.

Unvote

,

Vote: Sampson

Trevor's looking good too. Son, you keep this up and I might even let you bang my sister.

@everyone What do you think of J?

why? trying to test the water for a mislynch?

So, I say narwhal is town. How is that bad? I was simply stating what I thought at the time. However, the fact that I haven't seen a post from narwhal lately makes me think that he's coasting because some thinks he town

FoS Narwhal

better catch up will be made later, but I have so much homework to catch up on

You think he's town, but you FOS him? Or, rather, you get called out for thinking he's town for no reason, and THEN you FOS him? What the christ?

UNVOTE: J

Since he's been replaced, I'd like to at least give the replacement some time to focus on looking for scum rather than having to come right in and defend him/herself right from the start. My vote might come back to this slot if I don't like what I see from the replacement.

yeah, no point in keeping your vote on someone who's just gonna be replaced, right? may as well push a lynch that has a chance of going through.

@adc
What posts do you see where I am trying to look town? I don't need to try

oh, this post is abject bullshit

kuribo replaces also vla for a couple of days sorry

FUCK YEAH I LOVE THIS GUY

[kuribo]

OH


AND LEST I FORGET THE FUN PART

VOTE: ADC75

[kuribo]

We can't all be scum, there's only two players on the scumteam.

on the contrary, i can absolutely assume every person in this town, aside from myself, to be possible scum until i figure out otherwise.

and, aside, i don't need to find the entire scumteam on day 1. i just need one scum, and i can find his (your) buddy the following day. until such time, it's my assumption that anyone could be your buddy

just because i think you're scum doesn't mean i'm closed to the suggestion of other scum combinations

[kuribo]

Can you honestly say that my earlier actions in the game are more scummy than GNR's total lack of scumhunting and his blatant attempt to get as much towncred as possible?

and it's not just your earlier actions in the game



aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this part about GNR is all "no, i'm not scum! try this guy!"

[kuribo]

i don't like how most of his posts have been meaningless bullshit or declarations of narwhal's alignment. if he's scum, i'd bet my left nut that narwhal is his buddy

[kuribo]

why do you hope that?

[kuribo]

yeah, i really don't care about the well-being of scum when i'm town

their only job is to get lynched

[kuribo]

oooh, you're a smug one, aren't you

[kuribo]

Is this the part where you try to push my buttons to gauge my reaction?

oh, you'll figure me out soon enough, sunshine

[kuribo]

what up don? town alliance for scumstomping?

[kuribo]

kuribo: yes to an alliance. and i don't know if you ever replaced me, i'm pretty sure i've never replaced out of a game, but i do recognize your handle. what do you make of daft's GNR vote?

maybe you were in a game i played in years ago. now that i think of it, i may have lynched you back in like '08, haha


anyway, i don't like that his vote came right after i suggested that if one was scum, the other was his partner

i gave ADC some shit for what he said, but i have to agree: if they're scum buddies, this won't even be fun because awesometown always trumps idiotscum

[kuribo]

(and by "won't be fun" i mean that i like hunting and harassing scum, but god damn, if they just come out and act that scummy, it's no fun for me)

[kuribo]

i don't like how most of his posts have been meaningless bullshit or declarations of narwhal's alignment. if he's scum, i'd bet my left nut that narwhal is his buddy

UNVOTE: VOTE: GNR
I see nothing but anti-town and scummy play from GNR.

to reiterate, this sort of thing gets my nipples hard

hey ADC, let's pretend you're town for a few minutes and poke these guys

[kuribo]

yeah, bullcrap. scum use this as an excuse all the time.

3-4 links to the games or admit your lie.

hahahahahahahaha


what the fuck is this shit


are you fucking serious

don's facepalm doesn't even begin to express how fucking stupid this statement is



fuck man, REALLY?

[kuribo]

I don't think that is a scum tell. More like a null tell. And you can't even back this up.

jesus christ man, is stupid contagious?

[kuribo]

more to the point

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT SCUM OFTEN EXCUSE SCUMMY BEHAVIOR WITH "LAWL I WAS REACTION FISHING"

IT'S COMMON FUCKING KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY DO THIS

YOU'RE ASKING ME TO CITE EXAMPLES

OF SOMETHING


THAT HAPPENS ON AN ALMOST DAILY FUCKING BASIS

[kuribo]

Both of us were just screwing around in RVS. I'm sorry I have a busy schedule and I was unable to post right away because I don't sit in front of a computer screen all day.

also, this is patently ridiculous


no one's asking you to post a hundred times a day like me

we're just asking you to fucking post

[kuribo]

i didn't say that town doesn't do it


i said that scum does it, too, and they use it as an excuse to get away with scummy behavior

[kuribo]

i don't have any reason to believe that he was reaction-fishing as town. do you?

[kuribo]

Okay but if it's something that town can do as well then do you think it's a good reason to accuse someone?

yup

town can also vote for scum, it doesn't mean scum doesn't do it

town can also call people idiots, it doesn't mean scum doesn't do it

pretty much anything fucking scum can do, town can do, too, it doesn't mean we fucking let them get away with it, and we god damn sure don't make excuses that let them off the hook


unless you have some insight you'd like to share as to his alignment?

[kuribo]

how the FUCK IS IT IRRELEVANT

oh my god i've stumbled into the place where mafia idiocy goes to die havent i

[kuribo]

Okay but if it's something that town can do as well then do you think it's a good reason to accuse someone?

my FUCKING POINT

is that just because town can do something


DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT SCUMMY AS SHIT WHEN IT'S DONE

otherwise we'd never fucking get anywhere

[kuribo]

if you're going to keep vomiting idiocy into this thread, do you know what i'm gonna fucking do?

I will kill myself. And when my tainted spirit finds its destination, I will topple the master of that dark place. From my black throne, I will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one. When it begins, you will hear the sound of children screaming - as though from a great distance. A smoking orb of

nothing

will grow above your bed, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. As I slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. Then, as tears of bubbling pitch stream down my face, my dark work will begin. I will open one of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.

[kuribo]

i cant believe i'm actually watching a dumbass use dumbass logic to defend another dumbass's dumbass logic

[kuribo]

it's no more a fucking null tell than any other action in the game!

[kuribo]

your defense is literally "lol we should just ignore it because town does that too"


TOWN DOES ALOT OF FUCKING THINGS SCUM DOES


THAT'S WHY SCUM DOES THEM


THE REASON FUCKING SCUM COVERS UP THEIR SCUMMY ACTIONS WITH "lol reactionfishing" IS BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN FUCKING GET AWAY WITH IT


why the hell are you defending this stupidity? is he your fucking scumbuddy or something? because, i gotta say, when you say something as stupid as this:

yeah, bullcrap. scum use this as an excuse all the time.

3-4 links to the games or admit your lie.

that's the fucking time to BUS THAT IDIOT

[kuribo]

hmmmmm

[kuribo]

Adc, I take back everything I said about you being scum

[kuribo]

Unvote

for now

in the meantime, I want to know why Thomas felt the need to defend Jora?

[kuribo]

and I agree with you, Adc, GNR seems to be just "going with the flow" in terms of who he suspects and who he doesn't

[quote="In post 276,
Then, as soon as a possible link to him and Narwhal is made, he puts an FoS on Narwhal with more BS reasoning in #196. Neither one of them posted anything of content in the meantime. [/quote]

this right here is classic effing (language toned down for the benefit of those mewling little nancyboys among you) scum move... BS reasoning plus an FoS instead of a vote

and Adc, if you're wondering why I'm leaning toward you being town now, I'm just gonna say there's something about the way you responded to my interaction with Thomas that fits with town's reactions to my playstyle


i'll TRY and keep the f-bombs to a minimum, but it's just the way I talk when i play mafia. Frankly, my language so far has been pretty tame. i mean, hell, i didn't even call anyone a "clown molester" or make allusions to them being autistic!

[kuribo]

hell, i didn't even get a chance to ask someone to put down the crackpipe!

[kuribo]

man, i swear, if i ever played in a game that Jon was in where he didn't get replaced / lurkaderp, i'd die of shock

[kuribo]

Kuribo, why do you find Adc to be town now?

ohhh no you don't. I'm just going to leave it at I saw him do something that town tend to do in games with me. If I go around telling everyone what that is, next thing you know, scum's doing it too and I've completely fucked my metagame.

[kuribo]

And why did you then tell Adc that you agree with him?

beeeeeeeecause GNR *is* going with the flow, and just because I found Adc suspicious doesn't change that fact

[kuribo]

Explain this.

hmmm, let's see, "kuribo saw Adc exhibit pro-town behavior, and now I MUST know what that is so that I can do it too!" yeah, I don't think so

and besides, it's not just that. Adc seems to be actively scumhunting, unlike some of you who aren't scumhunting, and are just feebly dodging / parrying other peoples' attacks.

his playstyle is more pro-town because he is playing as if he's trying to find scum, not as if he's trying to constantly defend himself.

did I think he was scummy? sure. but hell, i'm man enough to admit when I was wrong.

[kuribo]

I did not defend Jora, I was proving that your "scum tell" is a null tell.

jesus effing christ. this again?


i never said it was a scum tell. i said it was something that scum does to explain scummy behavior, and he said that i was lying.

and then you backed him up, and i decided that both of you were on drugs.

[kuribo]

oh, by the way

for those of you that wanted examples of scum covering up scummy behavior by saying "oh, i was just reaction fishing"


here's one from a game that just finished this morning, along with my response from when i replaced in later
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3567412

[kuribo]

lemme look over GNR again. hell, it took me about 5 pages before I realized who they meant when they were saying GNR

I'm not liking Jora, but i think part of the problem is that English isn't the first language for some of these folks

[kuribo]

okay let's look at GNR again

[kuribo]

So, I say narwhal is town. How is that bad? I was simply stating what I thought at the time. However, the fact that I haven't seen a post from narwhal lately makes me think that he's coasting because some thinks he town

FoS Narwhal

better catch up will be made later, but I have so much homework to catch up on

what the hell was this? either he's scum or he's not.

Why an FOS? Why not a vote?

[kuribo]

Sorry for not posting, I didn't realize that I haven't posted in a while.
The problem I see right now is that this is probably a t vs t argument. I'd have to agree with adc, you do need to chill out a little kuribo.
Can we just stop all this arguing? With this, scum is able to slip under the radar because you guys are going back and foth and everyone is focusing on the argumnet, not on scum.

slipping under the radar? like you've been doing?


and how do you know if either of us are scum? how do you know it's not town vs. scum?

if that's the case, the argument isn't a distraction at all, but the inevitable that occurs when town catches himself a scum

[kuribo]

[J] is town
admitting to a mistake I think is town.

I still think this is an attempt to buddy up to town, because the "mistake" he admitted was a nothing.

[kuribo]

either Adc is scum, or he's town who's done caught himself a scum. right now i'm willing to lean the latter.

yeah, Guy named Riggs needs poking

*reaches inside his pants and pulls out the pokin' stick*

UNVOTE
VOTE: GUY_NAMED_RIGGS

i do love the pokin'

[kuribo]

okay, GNR, lurking time is over with

time for you to present content, and it damn well better be good too

[kuribo]

....


that has to be the most meaningless drivel i've ever read on the internet



AND I'VE READ TIMECUBE

[kuribo]

kuribo: how was your night?

nothing of interest, really, how bout you?

[kuribo]

Kuribo - Didn't have a read on [J] really from his contribution so pleased that Kuribo has taken over. Liked his posts after replacing in, jumped straight in there to give fresh views on things which I like.

that's how i play, i post like i'm on fire and only typing will put it out

[kuribo]

and by the by

i don't even know what to fucking make of jora's hammer

i like to think scum wouldn't be that god damn stupid


but then again, i've seen scum do some pretty stupid things

[kuribo]

jora's also not as inexperienced as some of the other players, i could see someone like jerobbo or sampson not knowing the current vote count

[kuribo]

Daftnarwhal gets a semi-pass for now because he was on early and I have literally no read on him at all yet.

hmmmmm


why should he get a semi-pass, partially for lurking?

[kuribo]

Also, I get that you two are buddys or whatever, but the fact you seem to have each other as confirmed town when no one else does is a little weird.

Hold up. I never said that DJ was "confirmed town."

What I said is that between the fact that I've played with DJ before, and the fact that I have a fairly strong town-read on him--- I'm willing to consider him town for the purposes of finding scum.

You and I don't know each other, so you wouldn't be aware of Kuribo's Rule of Scumhunting #1- "No one... NO ONE is ever absolutely confirmed town until dead or confirmed by my own role. Not anyone, not ever."

[kuribo]

jesus you lurkaderps, you could at least pretend you want to play a fucking game you signed up for

[kuribo]

Why just an FOS, Thomas?

[kuribo]

So which one of you two is scum?


Or is it both of you?

[kuribo]

It's funny, because if you disregard the spat you and I had earlier, you and he have just about the same amount of content

[kuribo]

Well it's not me so if you have a good lead or something then that makes him scum.

hmmmm... what an interesting statement.

[kuribo]

There is nothing else to say when you make random accusations out of nowhere that are based on almost nothing.

that's not what i'm doing, but by all means, continue

[kuribo]

what i was getting at was your blatant rolefishing right here:

Well it's not me so if you have a good lead or something then that makes him scum.

even if i had a "good lead" i god damn sure wouldn't tell you so

[kuribo]

no one ever prods me, i feel so lonely



it's probably because i post as if i were a coke fiend and i were being paid in crack rocks to post more

[kuribo]

i don't actually have a problem with writing the post at night. i did the same thing back when i was a newbie. back in the days when joining during a night phase was a reason to think "hey, i can catch up" instead of "ugh, this fucking town"

i was alot less jaded back then

[kuribo]

oh no you don't daft, you get your ass back here and post

[kuribo]

Vote: daftnarwhal

hi

[kuribo]

cheeky sumbitch

[kuribo]

there's plenty of going on that you could comment on


your turkey-lurky bullshit won't cut it with me around, scum