Abarat Mafia: Mini 1274 - Over

[Faraday]

Vote Indecision

[Faraday]

Quit the personal attacks Mina.

[Faraday]

Ok I think it's best to put this fact on the table where everyone can see it.

I am a "miller".

Now on to business

Vote: DLG

He's just got to be one of the vile forces of night, and I won't have it. Not in my council. No sir.

who are you

[Faraday]

Faraday has more than three letters in his name, Jase.

were you disappointed to be scum equinox?

[Faraday]

I'll take that as a yes.

[Faraday]

Jase can be town

[Faraday]

If you don't switch your vote back to confirmed scum Indecision I'll refuse to hug you for the rest of the game.

[Faraday]

Faraday, I know you called Jase town, but thoughts on the miller claim itself?

I'll stop spamming the thread, now, because Equinox as well as anyone else trying to catch up will kill me.

~Mina

You mean the acutal manner he went about it? Poor, but largely irrelevant. If you mean his character then I think it fits. why'd you not ask him for flavour straight away?

p.s. you seem a little edgy. why?

[Faraday]

Ballin', hindu's got swagger.

[Faraday]

Mina can't. Equinox is unproven.

[Faraday]

Eh, it didn't work like that in MLP.

[Faraday]

The Forces of Night have at least three fakeclaims, each with flavor quotes and pictures (if a picture under that name is on the site linked below). As such, you are free to discuss these things in game, but keep in mind they have very marginal value to scumhunting. (Remember that "discuss" means just that, and is not license to directly quote your role PM!)

ninjamod is ninja. okay so yeah, whatever.

[Faraday]

You don't think my vote is serious?

[Faraday]

I'm not sure whether your last question was rhetorical, or what you mean by "edgy."

i mean edgy. off. nervous. and why would you possibly think my question was rhetorical?

[Faraday]

but at this point, I think my play has been completely null

[Faraday]

Hey 4nxi3ty. How are you today?

[Faraday]

We're scum for... voting Faraday in RVS and getting a rise out of him.

Did you feel you 'got a rise out of me'
Do you feel your vote was useful?
What made you vote me over anyone else on the playerlist? Just your knowing me and thinking you'd get a useful reaction or something?

these questions aren't rhetorical either.

[Faraday]

Nacho- What is the purpose of your "deal" with equinox? I think that opens up a whole can of WIFOM. And why vote Hind?

[Faraday]

(Equinox)

Yes and yes. When the game opened, I sent an IM to Mina letting her know, and both of us agreed to RVS you for kicks. My personal reason is that I was hoping I could get a repeat of Mafia 82.5 on the Westeros forums where I was able to read you by focusing on you for a bit.

Did you now? Curious you bring that game up. Curious indeed.


HMMMMM

[Faraday]

That's not what was curious. I'll tell you what I'm talking about later. Surprised you don't already know though.

[Faraday]

I don't like the interaction between Indecision and Faraday, but letting it slide cause of RVS and they clearly have personal history.

there was no 'rvs' in this game. what don't you like? if you don't like it shouldn't you prod at it more?

[Faraday]

indecision+mina/faraday is a scum on scum interaction

ya big dummie

[Faraday]

wow i just read 4nxi3ty's posts and they're so fucking scummy.

STOP
HAMMAH
TIME

vote 4nxi3ty

[Faraday]

<---- totally town

[Faraday]

timeater my hammer was fake. hammer him for real plz.

[Faraday]

[Faraday]

he was never at l-1, you fucking clowns. way to be a useless sack timeater. why didn't you throw down a fake hammer to see how he reacted.

[Faraday]

In other news: Anyone else see validity in Nacho's scumslip or no?

no it's dumb

[Faraday]

Faraday: Seems to be suspicious of Indecision and Oversoul yet joins the same wagon as them...? Also, "they're so fucking scummy" is a vague reason that doesn't hold yourself accountable for your vote.

don't be stupid. I don't actually even think you're scum

unvote, vote indecision

[Faraday]

@faraday - I should have done that. I need to work on my telepath mb

*shrug* i thought it was kind of obvious. i'm not parama.

[Faraday]

Hindu is missing the 'piece de resistance', which makes all of that even worse. it's not his fault though. he doesn't know what it is, I do though. Equinox does too. Don't you Equinox?

[Faraday]

it involves your vote and explanation for said vote, mostly. will tell you later, maybe.

[Faraday]

Why are you asking me pointless questions? Why the fuck do you think I would want the hammer gambit and maybe gain a reaction from anxiety?

And no, I can't clarify. Literally incapable.

[Faraday]

Timeater%u2019s catching of that %u201Cus%u201D in Nacho%u2019s statement is interesting. I overlooked that last night. Merits more watching.

what is 'interesting' about it? have you read it in context?

[Faraday]

well he was mostly just kind of there for me, so i figured if we could get a reaction it'd be useful.

let's just pretend I was calling you scummy for it. you can now say 'why', I'll say 'i dunno felt off'. the question seemed force especially the phrase 'open up a can of WIFOM', it's not like wifom is inherently bad.

i know what you were talking about. explain to me why you find his usage of the word 'us' interesting.

[Faraday]

How helpful do you think your questions have been? A lot of them look like asking for the sake of it, to me.

[Faraday]

However, this is fucking Equinox. Maybe I'm biased, but I think she's been obvtown this game. (She's even doing the ridiculous "Everyone should vote for me!" shtick. )

I find it hard to believe you actually think she's obvtown. I am pretty sure she does things like that regardless of alignment, she's got little to no scum meta available (or far less), but the fact she doesn't look obvtown is part of the reason I've kept my vote on you.

Her response to Hindu looks kinda bad, actually. That's not really the reason I'm voting for you though but fuck it. i'm tired of teeheeing around your bullshit pre-planned vote that I don't think you'd do as town.

Why did you need to vote me to 'banter'. Why would Equinox town EVER want to vote me when she's admitted that she can't read me from reacting to votes to me before? That she finds votes on me unhelpful in reading me? So that changed between the last game we've played (Where she admitted to NOT VOTING ME for that exact reason as town) to the pre-game here where it suddenly became a good idea? Un fucking likely. I think it's more likely you thought a faraday vote would be a safe vote for scum you, it'd allow you to ease into the game as you'd expect me to interact with you. You can banter with me reasonably naturally so it's the best way for you to start the game.

PRE-EDIT.
what the fuck is that post?

[Faraday]

i stopped counting at 6 computer screens in length.

[Faraday]

Is there anything in there I still need to answer, it seems most of them are out of date.

[Faraday]

I didn't really think of asking beyond his role name, I asked Mina that question because she was posting but sort of seemed to ignore the miller claim in lieu of 'banter', which I found very unherlike and then asked after a while.

Who do you think random voted? I'd say it was dead halfway down the first page at the latest.

Scum take advantage of what situation? I was online there was no risk to anyone quickhammering him, past L-1. No one would have hammered him without a claim. Why would ME supporting it make scum more likely to hammer? If someone else had put him at L-1, I'd have said 'well he was hammered' and there'd be no risk of further votes.

[Faraday]

real hammered* without a claim.

[Faraday]

Did you read #145?

[Faraday]

And I have no idea how they even could have, I judged it unlikely that they would and acted accordingly. I don't see a way for it to happen without netting a sure fire scumbag. (Oh I voted him even though I thought he was hammered because ____? That's the only viable way I can think it could have been excused and that's clearly BS. Don't you agree? )

[Faraday]

Are you saying I wouldn't ever vote you immediately in the RVS as town?

No. I'm saying I don't think Equinox would encourage a pre-planned vote like that given her beliefs on me as town. You've voted me in past games anyway, so why would I think that?

[Faraday]

How is the above question even genuine? How could you feasibly think I was saying 'you'd never 'rvs' me as town'?

[Faraday]

Well, at least I buy your suspicions of us now. That's...a start, I guess. *sighs*

Why are you 'sighing'? What does this even mean?

My saying this is self-serving, but I think Equinox has been trying to drive the game forward, is trying to get reactions, and has been willing to draw attention and heat to herself. I've been happy with our hydra so far. So I don't feel as though she's in any way to blame for our being wagoned right now.

I don't disagree with Equinox drawing attention to herself, but that's completely null for her. Where do you think she's tried to get reactions?

This is annoying, because now I have to one-up my play from the game in which I was scum and tried very hard to sound as much as possible like my town self, just to prove I'm town here. Yes, I made an effort in the last game to banter with you naturally the same as I'm doing here. This time it's actually natural, but I can't prove it. Maybe I'll just stop posting and wait for Equinox to turn on her obvtown beams.

But you look obvtown when you're town! Surely you'll keep posting and want to show me the error of my ways?

Oh, so who's scum (or town), what reads do you guys have? Most of your posts seem to be responding/interacting with me in some way.

[Faraday]

Except I did encourage a pre-planned vote on you, so you're wrong. I distinctly remember voting you in 82.5, but if Mina says I didn't, then I guess I didn't. Let me ask you something, Faraday: If I've stated before that I don't think voting you helps in getting a read of you, then do you honestly think I'd turn around and vote you as scum and pretend that the conversation never happened?

Oh, well in that case I'll unvote. I mean I'd *hate* to be wrong. You didn't vote me, I remember the game. I remember the discussion we had.

Yes I do, I think it's quite likely you have forgotten the conversation, but I don't think you'd be unaware of a stance you believe, which was presumably in good faith since we were in a non game environment. Are you denying the conversation happened? So why the change in stance, why would it help here when it hasn't helped before?

[Faraday]

Let me ask you something else, as well, Faraday. If, as town, you're convinced that player A is scum, and player B presents a case that's partially false, would you ignore player B's case in favor of pushing player A's lynch?

It depends on the players involved, but yes, more often than not I'll ignore it and want player A dead.

[Faraday]

has the above happened this game? or are we asking ridiculous hypothetical questions? if so who are you talking about.

[Faraday]

EBWOP: I'm not denying the conversation happened. I just do whatever I think is a good idea, and voting you seemed like a good idea.

NO. this is fucking bullshit. this is a lie. you DON'T think it's a good idea. you CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK IT IS.

Indecision dies today. No one else. If they flip town vig me. lynch me. I don't give a fuck. equinox is blatantly saying things she doesn't fucking believe.

[Faraday]

Links, Faraday. You know that I know how you play your scum games, and it actually does involve ignoring reasonable cases. There were a couple of things Hinduragi said in his wall to support his scum read of my head of the Indecision hydra that are false, and you know them to be false because I've had not one but several conversations with you about those aspects of my meta. You ignoring them and just pushing us for your lynch of the day is unsettling, to say the least.

I don't even *NEED* links. Ask your hydra partner. Or is she going to blatantly lie about 'what's a good idea', off the top of my head I disagreed with a certain amount of empking's logic for voting LMP in test of faith but still pushed LMP hard day 1.

now. go die.

[Faraday]

and the fact you KNOW I think 99% of cases are complete bullshit and are trying to push this *ANYWAY*.

[Faraday]

(Equinox)

You want a 1:1, Faraday? Deal.

I thought it was a fucking good idea because I thought I could get a reaction out of you. It was the train of thought I had when I IMed Mina to tell her to go ahead and vote you. That's the truth, honest to God.

I can turn around and say the same thing to you: You're ignoring other people in favor of lynching us today. You didn't even realize Hinduragi's case was BS until I pointed it out to you. Gee, what does this behavior remind me of... Oh, yeah, Pick Your Power.

You're dying after us.

you have TOLD me that voting me is a poor way to gather reactions from me but yet this game you think it's good? i don't believe you could think that. how can you POSSIBLY be unaware of your stance.

Okay. What was the discussion with Mina then? How did it go. Explain it to me as best you can without breaking any rules.

I'm not ignoring anyone, Klazam is scummy but isn't scum with you b/c of the way he responded to nacho's proposal, zang is kinda townish even if his post is full of questions with real no opinions, anxiety's wagon looks pretty bad to me but he seems neutralish, jase is town, hindu's case IS stretchy in places, but I was waiting to see how you reacted to my 'drop'. you honestly think i'd undermine what I was about to post by saying 'uh hindu lol nice case but x y and z look town', you know this isn't how I operate.

[Faraday]

sigh i need a drink.

what is your read on klazam thus far?

[Faraday]

I'm also getting the feeling Mina is trying to manipulate me. Her 'sighing' and her annoyance are things I think she knows I'd be soft against but the thing is I didn't really get that vibe from her posts at all, that she was annoyed. It just seemed fake.

[Faraday]

...and yet you claim you enjoy playing with people who live and breathe large cases like they're fresh mountain air? Am I honestly supposed to believe that you don't read any cases at all? After all those times you've told me about how Mina and I are good players building good cases and making long posts that are "easy to read"?

Um, that is not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying I think most cases are built on shaky tells, for example the reasons against anxiety or the reasons for voting him are poor but it's still interesting to see how things go, i don't particularly think the things people voted for are any more likely to come from scum.

[Faraday]

Why don't you put your vote on me if you think that then? Surely you can convince Mina you're cause is just and right. Why are you giving up your vote on me with only as much as a 'grumble'?

[Faraday]

Equinox: Game's open.Mina: Our first RVS vote has to be Faraday because he's always scum!Equinox: Haha, yes!

i thought you said it was pre-planned? an an effort to draw out reactions or something?

[Faraday]

that is what you consider pre-planning? um okay. I was under the impression you had both discussed it in depth.

it doesn't really matter though, because red truth

[Faraday]

(Equinox)

Why don't you put your vote on me if you think that then? Surely you can convince Mina you're cause is just and right. Why are you giving up your vote on me with only as much as a 'grumble'?

Because she's telling me on AIM that she's dead certain you're town and that I'm tunneling on you.

mmkay

[Faraday]

...and yet you claim you enjoy playing with people who live and breathe large cases like they're fresh mountain air? Am I honestly supposed to believe that you don't read any cases at all? After all those times you've told me about how Mina and I are good players building good cases and making long posts that are "easy to read"?

um, the first sentence is a ridiculous overexaggeration. when have I said I like long cases. I've told you I think the manner you lay out your cases in ins good, but it's not because they're long, i am pretty sure i implied it was the exception as opposed to the rule.

And what have I not read? How the hell are you getting 'I don't read long cases'? I have often said 'tl'dr, but I read everything that's posted in a mafia thread, barring weirdness. I've read everything in this game so far including zang's fucking nuclear bomb. I've already explained why I felt it was unwise to point out the things I disagreed with in hindu's post. (oh and i think it was sk, not lmp in that game).

[Faraday]

I'd like the similarities she sees between PYP so I can be sure she's not pulling the meta out of her ass. (As that's what it looked like to me)

[Faraday]

The context makes it look much better but I can't shake the feeling that you're just 'reasonableing' your way out of it. I still don't get

why

Equinox would have such differeng positions but the fact it was more 'heat of the moment' isn't the impression I got from the pre-planned post (I thought you had discussed it in depth)

[Faraday]

Not responding to Hinduragi is fair enough, but you had NO IDEA what I was talking about when I put it in hypothetical form? How could you not, Faraday? Hinduragi claims he's never seen me lose my temper and that there's no reason for me to do so as town; however, you've seen me rage and make sarcastic remarks in at least 2 games. I can understand not addressing it, but your cluelessness led me to believe you didn't even read Hinduragi's post.

I forgot, I guess. It didn't twig in my mind that you were talking about Hindu's case, I mean it should have, admittedly but it didn't. I really have no idea why you'd think I wouldn't read a post though.

And I meant content, wise. I don't *not* read them I just find myself scratching my head at big long posts more often than not.


No I don't want a PBPA, but I just wanted some specfics. I'm surprised you're ignoring the way I pushed hito's lynch in court of the gods though. I don't think my push on you is similar to either of them as in both those case it was gut and fakegut with basically nothing other than 'lolscum' in both cases, whereas here I felt like I had a slam dunk case on you based on the way you were talking. I mean, I try and pick easy targets when I'm scum, people who are easy to lynch and stuff, you know that I don't see how your scum read is genuine on me at all. I was utterly convinced you were scum. 1/1's are for the most part retarded but I was that convinced from the way you responded I was willing to go into it. And now I feel like I'm talking myself out of a scum read based on seeing the way the conversation went down and Mina's offer to ignore me...looks like something she'd feel weird to even bring up as scum. ugh.

[Faraday]

(Equinox)

*gestures rudely at Faraday*

>_>

[Faraday]

I personally think she's nitpicking, and that it's a kneejerk reaction to your pushing us this hard.

but her case looks insincere to me. but i dunno would she accept a 1/1 trade as scum like that? i realise i'm asking you her hydra partner but shut up. I was so convinced you were scum and proud of myself for actually maybe even being able to finally spot you but now I just feel unsure and I fucking hate it.

[Faraday]

..but mina can right?

If not then how will you refute?

also can you explain your vote?

Sup. Who are your scumreads again?

[Faraday]

Faraday, you know probably better than anyone that I will roll over if there's enough people who suspect me and it's not yet LyLo. That's the definition of an easy lynch, and it's not like this crowd is receptive to my defensive tactic of reverse psychology.

you think you're an easy lynch? really?

[Faraday]

i mean yes you often SAY 'Oh lynch me' but you never ACTUALLY get lynched do you?

[Faraday]

Okay.

Unvote, Vote Kiwieagle

[Faraday]

Daykill Equinox

[Faraday]

Only dayvigs.

[Faraday]

The tactic's backfired on me before. Like I said, it's not like this crowd would be receptive to that particular brand of WIFOM, and I know how hard you push wagons -- successfully, I might add -- when you're scum.

But that's the thing you also know how I push wagons as scum, and I don't know how you could see my push on you as not being genuine given the information I had, that's why I found your countervote to be really bad. it's like you didn't even care about my POV, you were just concerned with discrediting me. i mean this isn't even a response to that quote BUT.

Kiwi's a great vote though.

[Faraday]

Kiwi if you werre a hugging dayvig and you knew Mina's hydra was hug immune who would you hug vig?

[Faraday]

Yeah, I've certainly changed my read and calmed down a bit. #187 and #207 both read town to me. They're not OMG MINA level town but I certainly don't want them dead now.

[Faraday]

Post #144 has 40 quotes out of 144 posts in the thread at that point <_<

Uh, yeah. I've slept on it and Indecision's posts aren't bad. Mina comes across as really genuine. The fact she sees where I'm coming from helps, tbh.

[Faraday]

more adter my run

[Faraday]

more adter my run

Look at the questions I was asked. Seriously.

I got more though. I mean this is fairly typical for Zang, he asks lots of questions.

What do you think of Kiwi in relation to RPG? He's play here doesn't look anything like marius and sulla to me where I was fairly confident he was town after a couple of exchanges with him.

Imma go play some marathon games or something (join me!) and come back to this in a bit. i feel like i'm driving most of the conversation and I hate doing that as i feel my scumhunting becomes less accuration. hey indecision you're soooooooo pretty, drive the conversation (also get an avatar!)

[Faraday]

With regards to meta-talk, the triangle, and recent activity: The recent 1v1 between Indecision and Faraday is another example of what I was getting at earlier except now it looks like Jase got caught up in the middle of it and shouldn't be included in this analysis. A good amount of their accusations are centered around meta, which if they were both town and have significant meta on each other I don't see the need to focus the majority of their attention on each other. It leads me to believe that one of them has a overwhelming scumtell on the other. Right now I am leaning more toward equinox being the scum in that pairing. However, with the way faraday voted me I could also see the possibility of this being a distancing ploy.

I have in depth meta on mina and equinox, and it's how I read them every game. This doesn't seem to help me catch Mina as scum though, she's probably one of the people I would worry most about fooling me because she's beaten me reasonably badly twice now. The reverse holds true too. I mean, if you actually read the conversation I did think I had a surefire scumtell based on comments from a previous game but it turned out to hold far less water than I thought, in fact it's null. That means my analysis was flawed, and looking at Mina's posts lately I get a really good feeling about them. I think the interactions are the most fruitful in the game, the three of us have played a fair bit together and we're fucking scary together as town.

The way you interpreted the use of meta makes you seem like a bit of a dogmatist though when it comes to the subject so w/e

[Faraday]

[Faraday]

Do you not think explaining your actions is pro town?

[Faraday]

unvote, vote klazam

jesus fucking christ.

[Faraday]

ust because he didn't get the point of Timeater's vote post?Or, is there something else?

Something else, specifically kiwieagle being town.

[Faraday]

If #263 came from scum I'll eat my headset.

[Faraday]

irish

[Faraday]

irish

[Faraday]

irish

[Faraday]

wow. lol.

[Faraday]

Which doesn't say much about Klazam's alignment, does it?

Why would it? Klazam's posts say enough about his alignment, though.

[Faraday]

Because you said it was the something else that informed your vote of Klazam.

Oh, yeah I could see how that's confusing. My vote for Klazam was because I find him scummy. I switched to him because Kiwi is town.

[Faraday]

read on nacho, faraday?

Don't really have one.

[Faraday]

Equinox would make sure of it, I know that much.

Not if I were her buddy!

[Faraday]

[Faraday]

Unvote, Vote Oversoul

[Faraday]

timeater prob town and should stay. you can keep up w/ 3 games for a while bro.

[Faraday]

My vote is totally a pressure vote.

(Please note this removes all pressure from my vote so I'm probably lying about my reasons )

Mina just wanted to get my attention. (hi!)

[Faraday]

is he the guy w/ the deer avatar?

[Faraday]

Indecision do you need to be wagoned to contribute?

[Faraday]

Get an avatar slackers!

[Faraday]

I've got some problems with Hindu. Faraday, could Hindu be scum?

Nah.

[Faraday]

Faraday, do you actually want your vote to hold weight?

[Faraday]

I'm going to reread this game and give reads and shit. Basically going to start this game new because I really have no idea what I did like 5 days ago lol. And I can't follow my scatter brained train of thought in my notes.

[Faraday]

what did your original notes say? give me a brief insight, i'll see if i can follow them

[Faraday]

if you've been following close enough to pay attention to my votehops why haven't you commented now and then?


(vote indecision,, voteanxiety (aka fake), vote indecision vote kiwieagle, vote klazam, vote oversoul) (to the best of my memory)

what's wrong with my voting frequency?

[Faraday]

me and Mina banter all the time. i'm surprised this is still a surprise to people.

[Faraday]

i don't use sarcasm in mafia games btw. take everything i say deadly serious or i'll get upset.

[Faraday]

the sarcasm thing was sarcastic, lmao.

uh, but how can you see my vote hops if you're only up to page 2? i don't understand. you commented on it before you commited to your catch up. have you read the thread in full? can we get your initial impressions without quote strips?

[Faraday]

rvs would imply my vote was random.

[Faraday]

Discrediting the person and not the views. Classic scum, Hindu.

what

[Faraday]

oversoul's catch up posts seem kinda forced and non spontaneous. i'll just ignore them and comment when he's fully caught up for now though.

[Faraday]

but what he's saying is directly relevant to the game.

[Faraday]

(3) Not Voting: kiwieagle, Jase, Indecision

Fix this as your first convenience.

[Faraday]

and no, I'm not fate. you can be damn sure if hindu was scum here i'd have a niggle about his play. i get nothing but town.

[Faraday]

zang lynch doesn't interest me at all. jase/kiwi/indecision/hindu are all town. timeater looks town too.

Unvote, Vote Klazam

[Faraday]

oh yeah anxiety is town too.

[Faraday]

i guess seraphim decided to not join us for this game.

[Faraday]

Faraday, did you notice Oversoul looked town before everyone else said he was town?

sure, let's pretend that's what happened.

Also, walk us through your Klazam vote.

not sure what you mean?

Code: Select all

[b]vote: klazam[/b]

is what I did, but you can use the vote tags either.

[Faraday]

Faraday- Would you mind explaining to me what your case is on me? It seems like i'm just a placeholder vote for a bit now.

it's mostly just gut something seems off from you

[Faraday]

fos: indecision. 'us', us as in the scumteam maybe.

[Faraday]

Faraday, did you notice Oversoul looked town

(citation needed btw)

[Faraday]

Mod: hindu is voting for klazam

[Faraday]

you realise i just stole your words for calling Jase town and changed them around a bit?

[Faraday]

what alignment do you prefer

[Faraday]

hey Indecision what do you think of klazam's hatred of long posts

[Faraday]

I've only played mafia once. the rest was town. I suck as town. I dont suck as mafia, so I'd say I prefer playing as mafia. Now what would the purpose of that question be?

i'm trying to figure out your seeming lack of motivation for the game. I just checked white flag to reaffirm my thoughts, but that game was a fucking wall bonanza and you make no mention of the walls making you apathetic about the game. what's different here? i'd prefered to have waited until indecision responded tbf but i actually don't care now as i'm annoyed at their slot a little, though i do give them points for their very nice question to me!

[Faraday]

although the earlier WIFOM thing I found scummy is apparently null for you, so that's something.

[Faraday]

theonly walls are zangs though? (hi zang)

what are your thoughts on my side of the argument with indecision?

you seem really skittish? around me in general, actually. i don't think i'm just imagining it either, it's like you're struggling to respond to me in a natural manner at times.

[Faraday]

dat multi quote

[Faraday]

anyone useful gonna be around in say an hour? gonna go through the game and stuff, but wouldn't mind some real time interaction with a few players.

[Faraday]

this laptop is too annoying to type with but whatever;
hey what do you think of dlg's push on zang, i read it again and it looks 'ok' but I didn't like his interpretation of zang's reads, it feels unreasonable and something he shouldn't find scummy (the way zang posted his reads I mean)

[Faraday]

klazam thoughts on oversoul/dlg/zang, please.

[Faraday]

kiwi can i get links to scum games of yours apart from RPG?

btw how closely do you feel your skype meta matches your forum meta?

[Faraday]

Yeah, I'm here. I have probably half an hour of thinking in me at least.

[Faraday]

hi. thoughts on dlg's push on zang, I asked the question a little bit ago.

can you give a general summary of your reads? I feel like I'd find it more beneficial than going in increments of 2 pages, wherein you're covering a lot of old ground imo.

[Faraday]

switching computers now, so be back in a while

[Faraday]

Everyone implying that I was wrong about Hindu and Indecision makes me feel like I suck at this game. *pushes fingers together*

what's this about? i think you're wrong about hindu but don't you think indecision is town? who said you were wrong for that

[Faraday]

I don't find jase's play particular strong, but I don't think he's at all likely to be scum either though. he's way too relaxed on page 1 to be anything but a miller.

Why do you think DLG is town? i've re-read him to try to get to grips on him and I just can't. i'm not sure if it's the playstyle or what but I just find most of the things he says to be 'meh', in terms of interest to me.

i agree with the rest of your reads for the most part. actually not as sure on oversoul and i'd switch hindu with and timeater and add in indecision to the town column b/c of mina's posts.

[Faraday]

Everyone implying that I was wrong about Hindu and Indecision makes me feel like I suck at this game. *pushes fingers together*

what's this about? i think you're wrong about hindu but don't you think indecision is town? who said you were wrong for that

Didn't Hindu and Tim say that?

i doubt hindu did (they might have said something about your reasons but i don;'t think anyone particularly disagrees with your read atm?)

[Faraday]

Interesting that Zang is going after Anxiety for that aspect when Magna's tell he commonly uses is a Zang tell where people list "x is scum, y is town" or "scum v town" or something to that matter.

i am pretty sure from discussion about it somewhere the 'zang' tell refers to town/town specifically.

[Faraday]

nacho, since i don't think you've posted a list of reads in concise form.

what similarities do you see between hindu here and rpg? as to me his play not only looks different from there (where he as obv bussing day 1 and playing up to fate) and more in line with the games where i've seen him as town.

[Faraday]

yeah, oversoul catch up asap as I'm kinda curious what you like about klazam + there's not enough people playing atm

[Faraday]

I'll go take a look through DLG's other games when I get a chance.

i don't remember the specifics of the case against kiwi from klazam but i thought it was shockingly silly at the time.

[Faraday]

been reading the first few pages, again. don't really get a lot out of them other than what I got the first time, really.

[Faraday]

...and yet you claim you enjoy playing with people who live and breathe large cases like they're fresh mountain air?

(i am pretty sure i'd stop playing mafia if i ever thought this btw, just as an aside)

[Faraday]

yeah,the first paragraph of the first quote mostly

'I'm thinking about voting you because your vote is on null, when somebody is more scummy in your eyes. Go and vote who you think is scummiest. And you didnt explain why you thought Nacho and Tim is scum. And how the hell do you have a town read on Oversoul? how do you get that from two posts? IF anything, I'd say Oversoul would be scummy.
'

(the whole voting a null instead of a scum thing, I guess I just don't understand why klazam thinks that's particularly scummy or more likely to come from scum? he also says here he doesn't think kiwiw can get a town read from two posts but backs off after one of kiwi's, eh, tbf that's really weak and I'm not sure i'd actually find that scummy if I didn't already find him scummy though)

[Faraday]

bleh it's 3am here. too tired to do any more re-reading, had a heavy day today. gonna go watch some bones

[Faraday]

seraphim posted a while ago

[Faraday]

Skimmed that, found (Or didn't find) what I'm looking for, awesome.

[Faraday]

Zang 2011-11-24 11:07:38 2 days 2 hours 14
Gore-Stained Antlers 2011-11-24 08:24:24 2 days 4 hours 4
Indecision 2011-11-24 01:53:55 2 days 11 hours 50
DLG 2011-11-24 01:16:39 2 days 12 hours 10
Jase 2011-11-23 21:43:47 2 days 15 hours 15
Seraphim 2011-11-20 21:07:23 5 days 16 hours

mad.

okay seraphim's flaked
jased is ??? busy
mina and equinox are busy but skim and give reads or something.
dlg is v/la kay w/e
zang is ZANG.

seriously get home after a 20 minute convo in a sauna about x-fact and DAT INACTIVITY

[Faraday]

vote: faraday

playtime is over, loiterererer

[Faraday]

Faraday, what the hell was the reason for the irritable reaction to our question about your Oversoul vote?

I dunno, I might have just been in a bad mood. lemme go check.

[Faraday]

What I mean is that a bunch of people called Oversoul scummy and you hopped on the wagon despite your never having mentioned Oversoul. Then Oversoul made a few solid posts. Before anyone else commented on them, you immediately called his catch-up forced and reaffirmed your scum read of him. Then several people come in and call Oversoul obvtown. And presto, all of a sudden, your vote is on Klazam again.

this seems like a fair assessment of events though.

[Faraday]

Also, something seems off about your post summarizing your suspicions of Klazam as "Something seems of about you." What happened to disliking his forced questions in his first post? It sounds as though you pulled that explanation out of your ass.

what post are you talking about

[Faraday]

Faraday- Would you mind explaining to me what your case is on me? It seems like i'm just a placeholder vote for a bit now.

it's mostly just gut something seems off from you

are you actually talking about this?

[Faraday]

Also, is there a reason you've been hung up a lot more on logic tells and contradictions than you usually are?

apart from the equinox contradiction i don't think this is really accurate at all. and the equinox contradiction is scummy out of context, so what?

[Faraday]

What I mean is that a bunch of people called Oversoul scummy and you hopped on the wagon despite your never having mentioned Oversoul. Then Oversoul made a few solid posts. Before anyone else commented on them, you immediately called his catch-up forced and reaffirmed your scum read of him. Then several people come in and call Oversoul obvtown. And presto, all of a sudden, your vote is on Klazam again.

this seems like a fair assessment of events though.

(well a 'bunch' of people didn't find oversoul scummy before my vote afaik but the rest is pretty much 100% accurate)

though it's worth pointing out i had to switch my vote to klazam, it didn't happen all of a sudden

[Faraday]

Faraday, what the hell was the reason for the irritable reaction to our question about your Oversoul vote?

I dunno, I might have just been in a bad mood. lemme go check.

yeah. okay whatever, it was the questions that annoyed me. your questions seemed to have obvious answers, in that I didn't find oversoul town and was pretty explicit in my town reads before that. I only voted him initially to see if he'd react after he posted his apologies, found him scummy when he was catching up and unvoted to hop on to klazam who i've found scummy since early. it fucking feels like not enough people are playing this game and when I have a town read on you guys and you're not helping me either.

your latest question again shows this, I've explained the something feels off comment and the fact you didn't see that annoys me. I was trolling by using his exact words to see if he'd pick up on it. he's still not...basically given a read on me, despite promising to analyse my side in the argument. we've got seraphim about to maybe post content for the first time with 4 days till deadline. you guys had started strong when wagoned and then decided to come back after ages with what i felt were annoying questions. yes I was irritated because I feel even your latest post is unhelpful. what logic tells am I using? like what the hell does that even mean. it's like the phrase logical scumhunting I don't know what it means. i'm using what i can because it's hard to get scumreads here. i've put a fucking shit load of effort in to this game because my last 4 games have been fairly terrible for my standards and it feels like i'm basically alone here doing most of the work. it's like you're reading what i'm saying but not actually reading what i'm doing.

whatever this turned out to be longer than i expected but it basically sums up my feelings about the game or something. it should at least shame you into posting content ._.

[Faraday]

bleh ._. sorry idk. imma go watch tv for a bit.

[Faraday]

And, no, I didn't see the connection that Klazam was making with those two posts. What was the point of even commenting about that? More of your wonderfully worded and utterly useless questions.

he's been asking those sort of questions all game. why did the last one in particular make you feel he was scum?

[Faraday]

Faraday, Gore-Stained Antlers/Timeater and indecision- Who do you think is scum? Why?

klazam. explained it in my ISO. what do you think of him?

[Faraday]

why are you still voting hindu?

[Faraday]

kinda i mean mina's not said anything particularly wrong, but it seems to ignore context . i mean for one a bunch of people didn't find oversoul scummy did they? anxiety's voted him but i think i put a second one down and then you voted. i did say his posts felt forced but would ignore them until he sort of seemed to catch up more. it also sort of ignores the fact oversoul posted between the posts. i didn't think he was town per se but they were fairly okay posts and i felt fine switching back to klazam.

edit: ninjas while i'm watching misfits. let me read in a bit.

[Faraday]

actually be back after misfits. can't watch it and play mafia.

[Faraday]

Faraday, look at the wagons right now. Something isn't right about this and I can't even tell what it is.

are you talking about the composition? the rainbowish vote count or something else? I mean we had a big wagon on Indecision earlier but since then everyone's gone off and done their own thing it seems.

[Faraday]

all 8 were neccessary. i'd not have made 8 posts if they weren't.

and lurking's not a scumtell, it's just an annoyance.

[Faraday]

"I'm mad at the low post count players."

"Scum like to lurk."

"I have more posts than virtually everyone else combined."

"Therefore,

I'm

not scum."

cute, though.

[Faraday]

Yeah I'm here. Yeah I'm going to actually read this game. But after I sleep. So tomorrow.

Can't wait for this.

[Faraday]

Er. V/la for a few days.

[Faraday]

It actually has me doubting myself, it's mostly for this:

All right. I%u2019m done trying to explain my actions. If you all feel the need to lynch me, go ahead. I%u2019m not that big a loss to the town if I get lynched. In fact, if I%u2019m going to be that big of a distraction, maybe you should go ahead and lynch me.

this sounds really sincere ._.

I also think his admission that I'm null but would be townish is weird for scum to make. he could have just called me null but it looks like he might be actually trying to figure things out to some degree?

But I don't know. I don't really know who's scum then? Not kiwi. Not jase. Not hindu. I don't really think you guys are scum, though a little more activity could help. Nacho and Oversoul

could

be scum I guess. DLG is possible but I need to read up on what Nacho said about his meta. Anxiety is still town. Seraphim is scummy by POE but ya know fuck that. Who else is there? timeater's a clown but doesn't appear a clown likely to be scum. Zang I had a gut town read on his first post.

I don't know. What do you think? It's 'ATE' but it sounds really genuine to me.

[Faraday]

I'm only responding to stuff because you posted and I wanted to see what you had to say. I hadn't read Klazam's post before now. I am not unvoting for the reasons I kind of explained. I have town reads on lots of people. they can't all be town and I don't know who to vote.

[Faraday]

Didn't really sound all that genuine to me. All he did was defend himself, post some reads, and say "look at this if I die". He also pulled this crap waaay to early for it to be genuine; the wagon on him hadn't really built up that much at that point.

I don't really think there's a point where it's too early for it, since it was obvious momentum was going his way. I don't know. I think it sounded fairly genuine but I don't know who else to vote either.

[Faraday]

Bleh. I dunno. Why wouldn't he just call me null as scum. he could prob get away with it. it seems like a sort of actual/genuine thought process.

[Faraday]

But you picking up on it means I can no longer go, "Faraday is confirmed scum for meta reasons!"

...then what's the point of asking me any questions when you boil my responses down to 'but he knows what i'm looking for'

[Faraday]

I won't go all out defending Klazam, simply because I've been skimming his walls and I'm not caught up enough to have much confidence in any of my reads at this point. And granted, I didn't notice he wasn't the leading wagon at that point, although he was still tied for first. But it was four days before deadline. How is that too early to be defeatist?

I'll get back to you with a more conclusive verdict on Klazam when I actually do some rereads before time is up. (For example, I don't remember you being this certain Klazam was scum earlier on, Nacho.)

~Mina

what are your reads.

[Faraday]

Faraday doesn't look like obvious town so he's town. Awesome. Good to have that out of the way.

i don't think it's quite that simple damn it.

[Faraday]

Zang. Let's pretend Hindu is unlynchable today. Who would your second choice be?

[Faraday]

Oversoul's catch-up posts look protown and well thought out, but what worries me is that his play is really different here from when I've seen him flip town (in which he was erratic and impulsive in his play)

Well that was mostly why I thought his initial posts seemed off for him, but I thought his posts between posts before I unvoted seemed slightly more natural/carefree in some ways.

[Faraday]

Are you saying your lack of reaction to Klazam shouldn't have rung bells?

Well I don't know, I guess you can't read my mind but I thought it was kind of obvious I hadn't read the thread since I didn't post anything but my V/la announcement. I mean, I actually think if you were interested you should have waited and see what I thought of it without poking me. I don't like, ignore posts as scum. I just manipulate them to fit my own needs (like sensfan in goofbash)

[Faraday]

if only i wasn't v/la i could totally read this argument and enjoy the subtle and nuanced interaction.

oh well, back to playing the mole in mish mash i guess. fucking hell.