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Post Post #50 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:33 pm

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Hello all!

I'm always up late. I work and do stuffs and sleep during the day, so dont except stuffs from me during the day, but during the night, do except me to post.

First: my stance on the miller-claim, I'm just gonna treat it as null. if Jase contributes to the town, good let him live, and if Jase is scummy, hang him. I do think millers should be hanged before LYLO comes around, though. This is to prevent scum riding a miller claim all the way to LYLO and destroying us because of it. In my opinion- the miller claim will only matter to the person who it matters to and nobody else. Further discussion of the miller claim is useless.

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Seraphrim- was that supposed to be a pure RVS vote?
Hind- are you implying since indecision said "might as well claim and selfvote, scum", he's town? If not, what did your previous post mean?
Indecision- why so indecisive? (just wanted to make that joke at least once)
Nacho- What is the purpose of your "deal" with equinox? I think that opens up a whole can of WIFOM. And why vote Hind?


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Post Post #52 (isolation #1) » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:43 pm

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RVS vote?

WIFOM- Equinox kills you, or you die. Bam, instawifom. I dont like the concept of that deal.
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Post Post #53 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:44 pm

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Durr, I mean "Equinox kills you, or Equinox dies"
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Post Post #55 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:55 pm

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Fine, why Equinox in particular?
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Post Post #57 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:14 am

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Hmm. I dont get it, then.

Does your Hindu vote have any basis or not?

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Post Post #127 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am

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4nix- I unvoted nacho because the reason why i voted Nacho was sufficiently defended in my opinion. I didn’t see anything scummy with Nacho at the moment.

Indecision- It’s 1 scum, 2 town that 4nix was saying not the other way around.

I dont see 4nix3ty as scum. The first vote was a badvote, but the posts seem town to me. Indecision isn’t scum either.

Faraday, could you clarify this please:
Faraday wrote:
Klazam wrote:Nacho- What is the purpose of your "deal" with equinox? I think that opens up a whole can of WIFOM. And why vote Hind?

:eek:


Faraday, why the hammer gambits? What was the point of them?

More posts from Zang, Kiwi, and Seraphrim, please.

Oversoul, so you’re letting Nacho “off the hook” for “catching” 4nix, or is 4nix just more scummy than Nacho?

Timeater’s catching of that “us” in Nacho’s statement is interesting. I overlooked that last night. Merits more watching.

Timeeater, why vote indecision over your suspicions of Nacho? Indecision defended Nacho’s statement and you go to vote indecision. I'm not getting it.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:02 am

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So you're saying that you hammer gambited just for the heck of it, seeing if your town read was wrong?

your :eek: face doesnt make sense to me. Are you trying to say i'm scum for saying that, or are you trying to say i'm stupid for doing that?

I meant that the "us" in that statement was interesting, not the Timeater catching of it. and yes, i read it in context.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:23 am

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That deal made no sense to me. I read it, then realized that there was many ways that the deal could mess up if taken seriously. Like i said, if one of them ends up dead, what are the town supposed to get from it? and i also didnt get why Nacho picked Equinox specifically. The post was really strange, thats why i asked my questions.

I know that i wouldnt use the word "US" when talking about myself, I know Nacho isnt a hydra, so why would he use that word? It could be a minor slip. It's not major enough for me to merit any action on it, but i'll be looking at nacho more closely now.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:19 am

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My questions do help me.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:17 pm

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Jase: The hammer gambit questions is because i was trying to figure out why faraday would do that on a person faraday thought was town. the :eek: question is because i didnt understand the post. Oversoul question is because Oversoul voted for Nacho, then jumped to 4nix because Nacho called 4nix scummy, which is.... nonlogicial.

I have a reason for all my questions.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:13 pm

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whoa. nuclear wall.

so... you think hinduragi is scum and you also suspect DLG and timeater? ok. got it. That's pretty much all i got from your wall.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:12 pm

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Jeez. watching this drama unfold is so confusing. i'll just sleep on it and come back tomorrow.
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Post Post #216 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:01 pm

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waitasecond.

I'm not sure about the faraday side, but on the indecision side, it seems that mina and equinox holds 2 completely different opinions of faraday, and mina is frantically trying to stop equinox from tunneling on what mina feels is a townie. This type of thing coming from a hydra makes me think of these 2 scenarios-

a) Hydra who is town and are...
Indecisive
about faraday's alignment. this is really plausible.
b) they are a scum hydra, with mina trying to drag equinox out of the hole that equinox is digging. Concerning, but unlikely, and i think it's a really difficult thing to stage, the posts feel too real.

Option a is more likely in my opinion. this makes me think that indecision is town.

i'll analyze faraday's side tomorrow. Posting coming from faraday seems like its not clear on which viewpoint- town or scum- they are coming from for me. i'll think more on that.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:37 am

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Kiwieagle- do you still think indecision is scum? And what reason? It seems that your only reason is that Indec was pushing a lynch on 4nix3ty and then backed off of it, correct?
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Post Post #238 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:57 am

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4nix3ty- If it looks bad, then you'll be voted for it. i dont get how its a reaction test.

I'll try to explain my unvote- This is my thought process:

1) That looks scummy, vote, and try to find out the purpose of the deal
2) Hmm, so basically the deal means nothing
3) so basically Nacho just trusts equinox that much? ------------------ At that point, it is clear the reason for my vote means nothing, so I didnt find Nacho that scummy anymore
4) I ask him if his vote on Hind had any basis (This is a different line of questioning, i dont find him scummy for the vote, just for the deal), and i unvote.

It was not a SCUMMY thing that nacho did, just a slightly scummy thing.

so, you (4nix3ty) think even after the Indecision vs Faraday drama that Indecision is scum? Could you please elaborate on this?

Pedit:

Kiwieagle- I cant see any light green, is there any? And if you're null on Indecision, why is your vote on him and not the people you think is scum?

I'm considering voting Kiwieagle, actually.

Pedit #2:

Hinduragi wrote: I hate being scum.

:eek:

Why the vote on me, then?
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Post Post #240 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:01 am

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Fine, I'll wait.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:40 am

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I'm thinking about voting you because your vote is on null, when somebody is more scummy in your eyes. Go and vote who you think is scummiest. And you didnt explain why you thought Nacho and Tim is scum. And how the hell do you have a town read on Oversoul? how do you get that from two posts? IF anything, I'd say Oversoul would be scummy.

And what is it with skyrim now?


Screw it. I'm gonna

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Post Post #257 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:59 am

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kiwieagle wrote:
Klazam wrote:I'm thinking about voting you because your vote is on null, when somebody is more scummy in your eyes. Go and vote who you think is scummiest. And you didnt explain why you thought Nacho and Tim is scum. And how the hell do you have a town read on Oversoul? how do you get that from two posts? IF anything, I'd say Oversoul would be scummy.

And what is it with skyrim now?


Screw it. I'm gonna

vote Kiwi

Why does oversoul strike you as scum?


.... WHY IS OVERSOUL TOWN?

Why do i find oversoul slightly scummy? it is these:

Klazam wrote:
Oversoul, so you’re letting Nacho “off the hook” for “catching” 4nix, or is 4nix just more scummy than Nacho?

Klazam wrote: Oversoul question is because Oversoul voted for Nacho, then jumped to 4nix because Nacho called 4nix scummy, which is.... nonlogicial.
(NOTE: Oversoul never answered these)

Kiwi, you just dodged all of my questions. ANSWER THEM.

A) Why is oversoul town?
B) Why are you voting somebody when you think somebody is more scummy?
C) Why is Nacho and Timeater scummy?
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Post Post #262 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:56 pm

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WTF
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Post Post #269 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:44 pm

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Faraday wrote:
unvote, vote klazam


jesus fucking christ.


So sue me. I thought Zang was being serious.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:37 pm

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Faraday wrote:
DLG wrote:ust because he didn't get the point of Timeater's vote post?Or, is there something else?

Something else, specifically kiwieagle being town.


.... Either I'm dumb, or Faraday is telepathic.

I still think Kiwi is scum.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #21) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:52 am

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This game is hard.

Yeah, Faraday's right about 263. I want Kiwi to be scum, but that post and the recent one to me, just doesnt make sense from a scum POV.

unvote


MOD- did you prod Seraphrim yet?


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Post Post #302 (isolation #22) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:09 am

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Yes, I do.

kiwieagle wrote:
and since when is it important that I look townish?
im not a PR; nor am I scum. So I see no reason.


This part right here.
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Post Post #305 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:53 am

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Nachomamma8 wrote:Refine that just a bit more. Why do you think scumkiwi is incapable of posting something like this? Or, even better than that, why do you think it's more likely townkiwi would've posted that as opposed to scumkiwi?


That tone. I havent seen scum use that tone. I only see frustrated townies doing that.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:06 pm

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I have a tendency to focus on one player and find everything scummy about that person, so when Faraday started calling Kiwi town, I was still in my tunnely mindset, so I just took a step back and slept on it. I reread, and... I changed my mind. It was post #263 and post # 288 that gave off that kind of tone to me.

Examples- I dont feel like going and looking for that thing in all my games, but i've seen people who go "I'm not scum or PR, so feel free to vote me". It's kind of hard to explain, but i find that kind of thing towny. Basically, its when not caring about whether that person lives or dies that makes me think that person is town. (Now I cant rely on that "tell" anymore, dammnit) Clear enough? I'd put kiwi as a 8 on a scale of where Conf Scum is 1 and Conf Town is 10.

I'm perfectly willing to fight with Faraday about why he thinks i'm scum, but as he havent really elaborated on that, I cant really say anything about it.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #25) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:33 pm

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Hinduragi wrote:I thought you were scummy for something a while ago or maybe it was during my reread, I don't really know. You've sort of just been "there" when I've been reading so I haven't paid you much attention. I'll go back to it later. For now, I've got to no-life Skyrim with the little free time have, sleep, go to work, sleep, go to a movie with a date, and I'll get back to you either during my break, before I go to work, or after all of that. I know Faraday will give me plenty of stuff to read through, though. I've been trying to spam but it's not working. I just checked and he has 77 fucking posts. I've got 20-something.



Could you do this? And I'm not even gonna comment on the self-vote.
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Post Post #328 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:02 am

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I'm busy today, will post tomorrow
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Post Post #426 (isolation #27) » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:16 pm

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UGH. Too many long posts...

I'll try to get on this, but dont blame me if i get unmotivated.
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Post Post #435 (isolation #28) » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:01 pm

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5 pages, 1,000 Walls... yep i'm unmotivated.

Timeater, if you are a hydra now, could you try to only post in that hydra's account? easier to follow that way.

unvote
Oversoul doesnt look like scum now.

Faraday- Would you mind explaining to me what your case is on me? It seems like i'm just a placeholder vote for a bit now.

Oversoul- Yeah, I dont really like larges, so the thought of millers being vigibait didnt occur to me. I agree with that idea, Millers are a good place for vigs to shoot. not this game though. I like how Jase is posting.

Hinduragi- you didnt explain why you voted me in the first place too. (I think. I'm looking now)
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Post Post #436 (isolation #29) » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:10 pm

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EBWOP: I like how Jase is posting so far.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #30) » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:58 pm

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Its just mostly gut. Nothing seems off from Jase.
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Post Post #446 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:12 am

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Meh. Fine whatver. Happy Turkeyday everyone.

PEDIT: Yeah, he is. he havent explained why too.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #32) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:19 am

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Lol no.

Still tired. didnt have a decent sleep.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #33) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:54 am

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I've only played mafia once. the rest was town. I suck as town. I dont suck as mafia, so I'd say I prefer playing as mafia. Now what would the purpose of that question be?

I dont necessarily hate long posts, I just dont feel like dealing with them.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #34) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:59 am

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I think the problem is that i was busy for a couple days then i come back and see all those walls. I'm sure i'll get around to analyzing them, but right now... meh.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #35) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:36 am

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Zang and Oversoul.

I still havent figured you out. I'm pretty sure Indecision is town, its you that i cant seem to make up my mind about.

PEdit: I seem to be a bit slow this game, yes, but no, I'm not intentionally playing a dumb card. Its not my fault some people are ambiguous this game. And honestly, some of what you quoted was taken out of context.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #36) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:56 am

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Post 53: I made a typo and i corrected it there.

Klazam wrote:
Timeeater, why vote indecision over your suspicions of Nacho? Indecision defended Nacho’s statement and you go to vote indecision. I'm not getting it.

You take only the last 3 words. If you look at the context, my last 3 words was definitely not playing dumb.

Post 130: :eek: What does that mean? I was clearing up the meaning of it. I got an answer that i was ok with.

Post 134: Somebody asked me why i was asking questions. Post 134 was my answer.

Post 143: See above.

Post 151: Zang posts a massive wall filled with pointless questions, of which the only things that was of any substance were the three things i mentioned.

Post 214: I was watching the entire converstation between Indec and Faraday. I decided to sleep on it.

Post 274: Faraday delcares that Kiwi is town and promptly votes me. I thought i was missing something there. There wasnt anything. A)Faraday decided that Kiwi was town and B) Faraday votes me, his second scumspect. the discussion between me and kiwi had nothing to do with me being voted. that wasnt clear at the time i made post 274.

Post 293: I see damned goood reasons for Kiwi to be town, even though i was totally sure Kiwi was scum. That's the challenge of mafia.

4nix3ty, as you can see, every one of those posts made sense in context. I think you're just trying to make me look bad now that you see Faraday working on me.

vote 4nix3ty
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Post Post #467 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:47 pm

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challenge accepted


But seriously, how are you planning to lynch me "properly" if you don't even have a case on me?
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Post Post #509 (isolation #38) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:43 pm

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Faraday wrote:klazam thoughts on oversoul/dlg/zang, please.


Oversoul seems town, his walls show a level of analysis that's conspicuously absent from Zang's posts. Zang could go either way to me. His posting is very neutral. For DLG, he seems genuine. the case on Zang doesnt seem contrived. Fara, if you want more specifics than that, point out specific posts.

kiwieagle wrote:
im trying to decide if klazam has been intentionally playing the dumb card...

When I was scum I ALWAYS played a dumb card
Klazam is doing similar things.


I believe that i disproved 4nix3ty in that. You disagree? then please point out where you think I "played the dumb card".

kiwieagle wrote:
Klazam's challenge accepted seems a bit over-aggressiveness/confidence
Dont see how hindu is "challenging" him


The Challenge Accepted part was a joke. It was in response to this part of Hind's post:
Hinduragi wrote:Oh, Klazam, let's go wall together tomorrow. I plan to keep on doing this until you die due to lol-rush. Nah, just kidding.


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kiwieagle wrote:
Klazam's vote also seems OMGUS.


He was misrepresenting me, attempting to make me look bad. That's a scum thing to do, correct? Therefore the vote.

Faraday wrote:
(the whole voting a null instead of a scum thing, I guess I just don't understand why klazam thinks that's particularly scummy or more likely to come from scum? he also says here he doesn't think kiwiw can get a town read from two posts but backs off after one of kiwi's, eh, tbf that's really weak and I'm not sure i'd actually find that scummy if I didn't already find him scummy though)


All right. For me, Kiwi voted a person that kiwi put on Kiwi's NULL list, while kiwi had people that Kiwi put on a SCUMMY list. If you think that a person is scum, you should vote for that person, not who you arent sure about. Also, I got a town feeling from that post of Kiwi, while I didnt see anything in Oversoul's 2 posts that seemed town, actually, it seemed scummy to me.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:30 pm

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Hinduragi wrote:Honestly think Klazam is scum now. At first I was voting him to get some groundwork laid and have a wagon that I liked going to see something but now I ISO'd him and don't like it. He's just been "there". The first post is all kinds of scummy and I'm sad that I didn't catch it the first time around. I blame Indecision and Faraday's bullshit because that post in particular would've been wagon gold. A lot of his posts are questions being thrown around, which is a lot like Zang, except his are just either put there to be there(a.k.a. to look helpful) or to ask something that generally isn't going to help(unless he'd be so inclined to enlighten us). Now this Anxiety business is rather sad because that was his first townread. Now that he's had a wagon on him, he's gone back on both townreads, said he "thinks" Indecision is town, and has said he can't read Anxiety. I read this before I looked at any other parts of his ISO and this is why I said I honestly thought he was scum. You're going to love this. 459, 460, and 461. I think the important part of why this is scummy is that, when Anxiety had a wagon on him, Klazam answered his questions calmly. With a wagon on him, Klazam's worried about looking bad, not finding someone who's scum.


How is my first post scummy? Enlighten me.

The questions was to help me get a insight on motives of people.

Reads can change. if you didnt notice, 4nix3ty said i was purposely acting dumb, then chose parts of my posts out of context to make me something that I'm not. This is what's called a misrepresentation. And i'm of the thought that misrepresentations are scummy. IF 4nix3ty was doing that to somebody else, my vote would still be on him.

I said that I thought Indecision was town. I didnt change that at all. What 2 townreads did i go back on- 4nix3ty and who? And i never said i couldnt read 4nix3ty.

Again I'm not worried of looking bad, I just noticed that 4nix3ty was making me something I'm not. I dont see where "when Anxiety had a wagon on him, Klazam answered his questions calmly" happened.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #40) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:33 pm

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Oversoul wrote:
Oversoul seems town, his walls show a level of analysis that's conspicuously absent from Zang's posts.


Also, I got a town feeling from that post of Kiwi, while I didnt see anything in Oversoul's 2 posts that seemed town, actually, it seemed scummy to me.


Care to explain, Klazam? You call me town in the first part of your post and then say that I am scummy in the second part of your post...

okay..


I believe that you are town.

The second part was an answer to faraday. I was referring to my earlier position on you, when you had only 2 posts. When you started walling, You became significantly more town in my eyes.
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Post Post #576 (isolation #41) » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:55 pm

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Here's a 3 page wall. Enjoy.

Spoiler: My Answers to stuff said about me
Hinduragi wrote:
Klazam wrote:Hello all!

I'm always up late. I work and do stuffs and sleep during the day, so dont except stuffs from me during the day, but during the night, do except me to post.

First: my stance on the miller-claim, I'm just gonna treat it as null. if Jase contributes to the town, good let him live, and if Jase is scummy, hang him. I do think millers should be hanged before LYLO comes around, though. This is to prevent scum riding a miller claim all the way to LYLO and destroying us because of it. In my opinion- the miller claim will only matter to the person who it matters to and nobody else. Further discussion of the miller claim is useless.

Questions-

Seraphrim- was that supposed to be a pure RVS vote?
Hind- are you implying since indecision said "might as well claim and selfvote, scum", he's town? If not, what did your previous post mean?
Indecision- why so indecisive? (just wanted to make that joke at least once)
Nacho- What is the purpose of your "deal" with equinox? I think that opens up a whole can of WIFOM. And why vote Hind?


vote Nacho

This is one of my favorite mindsets to catch scum in because I had it in my first game. It's the nervous mindset of someone trying to play carefully and you can catch scum Day 1 with it. "Hey guys! I'm going to be super helpful this game, everything so far is null. The claim doesn't matter even though it really does. Let's make sure to lynch him instead of trying to get a read on him if he doesn't die. Random question time to help myself get off to a good start!"
First posts say a lot, and I particularly love these kinds of first posts because scum, like Nicodemus just love to use them to feel safe. Do you SEE the playstyle similarities? I hope so, because if you don't then you're either blind, misguided in a self-looking glass, or claiming scum.

The playstyle may seem similar, but why don’t you look through my meta? I assure you that you will find that I’m pretty much playing like I always do when i’m town outside of a few specific games when I get off to a good start.
Hinduragi wrote:

Yeah, I'm saying point out SPECIFIC questions and tell me how you draw ANY sort of conclusion around them. I get people's motives without asking a couple thousand of questions and shooting them randomly in the dark all the time.

Sure. Read what I already said on this:
Klazam wrote:So you're saying that you hammer gambited just for the heck of it, seeing if your town read was wrong?

your :eek: face doesnt make sense to me. Are you trying to say i'm scum for saying that, or are you trying to say i'm stupid for doing that?

Klazam wrote:
Oversoul, so you’re letting Nacho “off the hook” for “catching” 4nix, or is 4nix just more scummy than Nacho?


Klazam wrote:Jase: The hammer gambit questions is because i was trying to figure out why faraday would do that on a person faraday thought was town. the :eek: question is because i didnt understand the post. Oversoul question is because Oversoul voted for Nacho, then jumped to 4nix because Nacho called 4nix scummy, which is.... nonlogicial.

I have a reason for all my questions.

Hinduragi wrote:

STOP. GO TO JAIL. DO NOT PASS GO AND DO NOT COLLECT $200. WE ARE BOTH TALKING ABOUT POST, RIGHT? He quoted things directly from YOU to show what he was talking about. I, for one, don't see how that's casting you in a bad light apart from pointing out scummy qualities stemming from yourself. If you look at that last sentence, that's what scumhunting and then presenting evidence is, which is the same thing that I'm doing right now.

Yep. That post. He made a premise that I was playing “a idiot card”, then he looked through my ISO to pick and choose extremely specific parts of my posts that supported his premise. These parts that he chose to quote, out of context, supports his premise, but when taken in context, DOES not show me playing an idiot card.
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Going back on a town read(oh, and by the by, I pointed out the 2 townreads where you quoted them. Where you said you "THINK" Indecision is town and couldn't read Anxiety) and voting them for it over that is exactly why I've got qualms with it.
I dont see 4nix3ty as scum. The first vote was a badvote, but the posts seem town to me. Indecision isn’t scum either.

There is no "THINK" or "can't read Anxiety" in this quote. Having this level of confidence and then changing the wording DOES imply differently. I'm probably going to be countered by "OH BUT THEYRE STILL A TOWNREAD". NOPE, it's NOT the same thing, whether you like it or not. This is a 100% statement and, yes, it DOES come from town AND scum. The DIFFERENCE between town using it and scum using it is that town PURPOSEFULLY use it in order to intimidate scum. Scum obviously use it to try to fit in. Going back on one townread while lowering the other to "THINK" is not something that someone in the town perspective does. It isn't.

Me saying Indecision isnt scum and me saying I think Indecision is town is the same thing. You may disagree with this if you want. I CANT FIND the “ I cant read 4nix3ty” that you’re referring to.
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You know what ELSE got me? How you wanted reasoning ALL the time. You never even considered it might be a pressure vote like Faraday and I have done or might have done just to get something. You jumped straight to "OSHIT IM CAUGHT. TIME TO DEFEND MYSELF". And THAT fit RIGHT in with why I saw that you were nervous. So, yes, you ARE scum. And this time I'm not lol-parking my vote on you just to look at you later, get something from you, or to generally try to have some sort of stable wagon. This time I'm going to tunnel you until you die because I know you'll flip scum. If you and your buddies have a day-killing action, you're going to want to use it on me right now. This tunnel is long, and it's very dark. The best part about it? That one guy, the one at the end of the tunnel: he dies.


I didnt EVEN try to defend myself when you 2 voted me without any reasoning. You two kept on voting me without any reasoning. Thats why i asked if you 2 had any particular reason for voting me. I pity you because you’re choosing to waste your time tunneling on me, because I’m town.

kiwieagle wrote:
unvote


VOTE: Klazam

Dont see how he was misrepresenting you.

explaining each post was unnecessary.

Anxiety didnt attack each individual post, he attacked you as a whole.


He selected parts of each post that when looked at singly, supported his premise that I was "playing the idiot card", which is not true.

Hinduragi wrote:
Klazam responding really quickly to everything that has popped up and then, when I post something solid, avoiding this game is not normal. This is the nervousness I was talking about in full swing.


I was busy, so sue me.


All right. I’m done trying to explain my actions. If you all feel the need to lynch me, go ahead. I’m not that big a loss to the town if I get lynched. In fact, if I’m going to be that big of a distraction, maybe you should go ahead and lynch me.

The following are my current reads. After you lynch me and I turn out to be town, please read this post again.



TOWN:

Oversoul
Indecision
Jase
Gore-Stained Antlers
Kiwieagle
DLG
Hinduragi

Null
(Any of the people below could be scum)
Seraphim- NOT EVEN POSTING.
Faraday- Normally I would think he’s town, but I dont. Not in this game.
Nachomamma8- Cant get a definite opinion on him.


SCUM

4nxi3ty
Zang
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