Open 363 - GAME OVER-SK WIN-They Ball No More

[Xalxe]

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

[Xalxe]

Mediator: Okay Ladies and Gentlemen. It's time to get to work.

Also, one other relevant item I should disclose, in addition to the information about Mr. Kessler, I am also happy to announce that we do have a paragon of willingness to make things work. I hope all of you can approach this our negotiations as Amrun has. Amrun has been a model of compromise during this lockout.

Amrun,

INNOCENT CHILD

, is willing to get this done.

Are you?

Thank god we have a decent Innocent Child.

Hello everyone.

Two quick housekeeping questions:
1. What timezone are you from?
2. How often do you intend to post?

And since we have the very cooperative Amrun with us that leaves us with 12 lynchables, so by taking a d12 and rolling it

vote: Tajun

I got 9 so That's my RVS.

Oh and to answer my questions: 1. Pacific Standard Time. 2. As often as I can.

This post is scummy. Why are the questions necessary?

VOTE: Vadinci
That eye never ceases to creep me out. Also, please try to stick with this one.

As for the questions,
1)Eastern Standard time
2)At least once a day, unless I get crazy busy at work.

Add one of my own:
3)What is your experience with mafia?

My answer: Finished 3 games on site, currently playing a fourth (and a fifth, counting this one).

What is the relevance of this question?

Yeah, but really, I did that for my other two games. Felt like spicing it up.

And Really? I don't think that was worthy of a second vote during RVS stage.

There was a third Question Matt.

Do you have issues with votes being placed on you? Why?

[Xalxe]

@Xalxe: Curiousity, mostly. But some things are newb tells which can be mistaken for scum tells, and I like to know when this might be the case.

Questions for you: Have you played with SV before, or was the first post purely random?
If you feel The Acting method is scummy, why no vote?

There is no such thing as a newb tell.
I have not played with SV before, but I know him from around the site. He knows why I'm voting him.

Also he is an alt so etc

I didn't SAY Acting Method was scummy. You inferred that.

[Xalxe]

Remind me to check AM's meta later.

Also yes I do find RQS scummy as it generally adds nothing and I don't care about people's responses anyway.

Also as a general note those of you with win/loss records in your sigs have self-esteem issues.

Vote count 1.01

Did you know:
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Shattered Viewpoint - 1 (Xalxe)
Tajun - 1 (The Acting Method)
DeasVail - 1 (Tajun)
The Acting Method - 2 (Amrun, DeasVail)
vijay2vasandani - 2 (Adc75, whispersilk)
DonJosh - 1 (projectmatt)

Not Voting - 5 (vijay2vasandani, Vadinci, Voidedmafia, DonJosh, Shattered Viewpoint)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is set at December 18th, 2011 at 11:59 PDT

Spoiler: Vote History

DeasVail -

Xalxe

--> The Acting Method
vijay2vasandani
Vadinci
whispersilk - vijay2vasandani
Adc75 - vijay2vasandani
Xalxe - Shattered Viewpoint
projectmatt - Donjosh
Voidedmafia
Tajun -

Vadinci

--> Deasvail
Amrun - The Acting Method
DonJosh
The Acting Method - Tajun
Shattered Viewpoint

[Xalxe]

Might I suggest quotes from famous people?

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/quotes.html

PEDIT: Hello there. Well Tajun's town, nice to have you on board.

Yes, that was mostly to see if you'd actually check my point about the scummy post rather than just drop it.

Also I find that the people are scummy because RQS is a great way to contribute without actually contributing.

ANOTHER PEDIT: Whose random vote Deas?

[Xalxe]

RE: The Acting Method.

Unfortunately all his games are ongoing, so I can't talk about them. But do the research; I don't buy the meta excuse.

Also I'm not voting him yet because there are like 3 of us here and there are 13 of us playing.

[Xalxe]

Ooh, hit a nerve have I?

But seriously it's just not necessary.

GODDAMN PREEDIT: Because I'd rather get some more input on this? I could be wrong you know.

[Xalxe]

@Xalxe: Interesting, that makes some sense (the RQS comment). Do you know if anyone has researched it to determine whether or not it is in fact used more by scum?

I don't actually, but I feel like it has.

Actually I just searched Mafia Discussion:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17729
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17500

I have not read these. If they refute my point then they're wrong.

[Xalxe]

I have never once made such posts, nor have I seen them made.

[Xalxe]

And, in a quick re-read to make sure I've got my head on straight, both Xalxe and Deas don't sit well with me.

I agree with Tajun that Deas's post 16 was major overreaction to a simple question. 'Course, he tries to defend himself in Post 20 with "I don't need to post reasoning". However, you don't need to act like it's a serious offense to be questioned, either.

For Xalxe, his 2nd post of the game just really irks me. It sounds like he's trying to make everyone have some sort of problem or issue. It's completely unnecessary (if possibly unintentional) antagonizing. Post 25 (his fourth) continues this largely unecessary overbearing, making a large AtE against people who have W/L records in their sigs, which is VERY unnecessary.

Later, in what seems to be a near-180 from before, he decides to lay off pressure in post 31, using an IMO flimsy reason of "well, there's not a lot of people here" (and later a defensive "I could be wrong!" in post 34). Okay, so there's only 3-4 out of 13 people currently posting. They can add their opinions when they get on, and there's no rush right now to get things out there.

Post 34 goes back to the taunting attitude of his pre-post 31 posts, and #38 shares the same attitude, pretty much saying "If they don't agree with me, they're wrong".

Overall, I don't like the attitude, and I don't like what he's done at all, not to mention rather flimsy reasons for not trying to push his cases.

Vote: Xalxe

HOO BOY

1) I have not and will not vote someone for having win/loss records in their sig (unless it's RVS). So the idea that what I did was an AtE is a) wrong and b) not even the right definition of AtE.
2) I'm sorry for not wanting to place 3 votes on someone within 24 hours of the game start. My bad.
3) Your sarcasm meter is broken on my post about the MD threads.

[Xalxe]

That's it? You have nothing else to say at all?

[Xalxe]

Detail? He's scummy. Sorry Amrun, but there's three pages, and that's not a lot.

[Xalxe]

I don't recall clearly making that distinction wait yes I do.

One post does not a mafia member make. Several in succession? Do.

[Xalxe]

Sorry, but that actually wasn't my attempt to provide wiggle room at all, just my correcting a minor difference that I found.

[Xalxe]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Xalxe]

Sorry, snippy because I was in class.

Anyway, I don't want to do a wall 'o text, because nobody reads them, but I will anyway.

[Xalxe]

Hello everyone.

Two quick housekeeping questions:
1. What timezone are you from?
2. How often do you intend to post?

And since we have the very cooperative Amrun with us that leaves us with 12 lynchables, so by taking a d12 and rolling it

vote: Tajun

I got 9 so That's my RVS.

Oh and to answer my questions: 1. Pacific Standard Time. 2. As often as I can.

RQS, which I have already stated is scummy and bad.

Yeah, but really, I did that for my other two games. Felt like spicing it up.

And Really? I don't think that was worthy of a second vote during RVS stage.

There was a third Question Matt.

Reacts poorly to having votes placed upon his person.

It's the connection I made between your vote for me and your post above.

Okay, I'll try to avoid it. Just my last two games devolved for me into a discussion of my site I used to belong too's meta, which I only mentioned once in the more recent case (the earlier case I fell into it and was complaining about it.) so I'm trying to break away from bringing up my meta, Both were mentioned in RQS stage at first (reason I joined the site, to escape the meta I had on the site I came from.)

PREEDIT: Really? Because I disagree; but then, that my point of view...

Claims he is refraining from bringing up meta. Which he did one post earlier.

Also only 4 posts? Wow. I didn't think there were so few.

[Xalxe]

Also I find that the people are scummy because RQS is a great way to contribute without actually contributing.

I have answered your first question already.

Top suspect currently is Acting Method.

Why is this question relevant?

[Xalxe]

You're strawmanning; I never said the RVS was of any value. Additionally, RQS bears absolutely no effect on the rest of the game; I don't give a flying fuck about your location and how often you post. If I care I'll check your posts and find the pattern.

[Xalxe]

1) It was not a serious vote, and was not intended to be so.
2) No, you'll explain them now because nobody else will answer until you do.

[Xalxe]

Hngh people my name is XALXE. Not XAXLE.

That is all.

[Xalxe]

I don't think Xalxe has a problem with RQS in the sense that he doesn't like questions, he just finds that the stock standard "what timezone are you in, etc" is an attempt to make it look like you are contributing to town.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

NOW STOP ANSWERING HIS DAMN QUESTIONS UNTIL HE EXPLAINS

[Xalxe]

This is a bad bad bad post. Almost blatant AtE going on up in here.

PEDIT: I meant Acting Method's post.