Open 363 - GAME OVER-SK WIN-They Ball No More

[The Acting Method]

Hello everyone.

Two quick housekeeping questions:
1. What timezone are you from?
2. How often do you intend to post?

And since we have the very cooperative Amrun with us that leaves us with 12 lynchables, so by taking a d12 and rolling it

vote: Tajun

I got 9 so That's my RVS.

Oh and to answer my questions: 1. Pacific Standard Time. 2. As often as I can.

[The Acting Method]

@The Acting Method: Why do you feel the need to roll a d12 to determine your vote?

I don't feel the need, just felt it would be fun and different. I usually do it if I want to make a random vote, but don't feel like doing anything else.

As for the questions,
1)Eastern Standard time
2)At least once a day, unless I get crazy busy at work.

Add one of my own:
3)What is your experience with mafia?

My answer: Finished 3 games on site, currently playing a fourth (and a fifth, counting this one).

This is my third game on site (other two ongoing, dead in one of them.), I've played games on another forum before. (Actually where I came up with the dice roll random vote)

[The Acting Method]

Yeah, but really, I did that for my other two games. Felt like spicing it up.

And Really? I don't think that was worthy of a second vote during RVS stage.

There was a third Question Matt.

[The Acting Method]

@Tajun I don't see why I need great reasoning to change a RV.

Let's just say my vote on Acting is more serious than my vote on Xalxe and I think his reaction to me could be from scum.

Or It's my meta to address all votes that are presented towards my person no matter what side I'm on, especially when I interpret them as being scummy. (applicable to this site majorily.) Which leads me to the question? How is it scummy to respond to a vote change that seems to be serious for a reason as crummy as "I don't like your way of doing a random vote for this game." As a point of logic, wouldn't it make me equally or maybe even more likely to hit scum with a random vote?

Editing this so I can address why I chose those questions as they pertain to me:

Hello everyone.

Two quick housekeeping questions:
1. What timezone are you from?
2. How often do you intend to post?

And since we have the very cooperative Amrun with us that leaves us with 12 lynchables, so by taking a d12 and rolling it

vote: Tajun

I got 9 so That's my RVS.

Oh and to answer my questions: 1. Pacific Standard Time. 2. As often as I can.

This post is scummy. Why are the questions necessary?

Yeah, but really, I did that for my other two games. Felt like spicing it up.

And Really? I don't think that was worthy of a second vote during RVS stage.

There was a third Question Matt.

Do you have issues with votes being placed on you? Why?

Hmmm, maybe I would like to see when I can expect people on so that I know how long it takes to get certain questions answered? Maybe I'd like to see if I'm can expect posting to drop off for hours at a time with noone saying anything?
Is that scummy? I don't think so. But then I'm getting the feeling you feel random questioning stage is scummy so you might disagree.

Also I'm a bit impatient so that takes some of my attitude into account.

As to your final question, I'm not too big on RVS stage votes becoming bandwagons, and I also would have preferred a better logic to what he now says is a "somewhat serious vote" paraphrasing than essentially "I don't like that you did a completely random RVS stage vote. Instead of making it so that you make some outrageous reason up."
So generally no (or I'd be going after the first person to vote me.) but it can irritate me when I feel I'm not being read fully.

[The Acting Method]

It's the connection I made between your vote for me and your post above.

Okay, I'll try to avoid it. Just my last two games devolved for me into a discussion of my site I used to belong too's meta, which I only mentioned once in the more recent case (the earlier case I fell into it and was complaining about it.) so I'm trying to break away from bringing up my meta, Both were mentioned in RQS stage at first (reason I joined the site, to escape the meta I had on the site I came from.)

PREEDIT: Really? Because I disagree; but then, that my point of view...

[The Acting Method]

I think it was being called out for the perceived logic behind it.

Xaxle, you may see RQS as a scum tell, but to me it's a null tell, especially when the questions I asked are essentially me saying "Hey, should I expect to have to wait for answers to any actual questions that I may ask or could I expect more frequent and hopefully more content filled posts."

I don't see how the questions that I asked are scum tells, can you explain that one?

And that is very interesting Vj...

[The Acting Method]

Just the overall thoughts on DV's reaction to my reaction to him... I definitely didn't quite see it like that myself, but the way you worded it makes it seem even More scummy than I felt it was.

And to Matt, I'd like to know why we should answer those questions...

But for the sake of it:
I'd say my top scum read is probably DV followed by Xalxe, but even then I don't feel they are completely scummy, just the most scummy. They are probably more null-leaning scum for me.

On VJ he's null leaning town to me but that's my opinion.

So Matt now to throw a question at you: What are your answers to those questions and why should we answer them?

I think he wants it for some secret reason to see where to place his own vote.

[The Acting Method]

Matt, Xaxle has a point, I only did it because I felt it might lure you into doing it. I'll give you one post to do it of your own free will before I consider it a scum tatic and vote you.

[The Acting Method]

Yes the first paragraph is to you VJ the rest is to Matt, and once again Matt, please post your responses.

Because frankly I find your questions more scummy than day one questions like the ones I posted (And I see the logic Xalxe has, disagree but that personal especially with the kind that I made, but then since I'm an activity buff, I ask those questions because I'm lazy and don't feel like having to take the time after to do a post analysis of when they last posted.)

Plus your seeming unwillingness to answer unless others do (and Vj and Des, I'm disappointed that you answered them before he did.) makes me think you are scum and so, to pressure you into giving your own answers for your questions VOTE: projectmatt

[The Acting Method]

True, you have a point Vj...

So DV what's your reasoning?

[The Acting Method]

Props to Tajun for explaining in her answers exactly why she wanted to answer them.

I was going to wait for an answer in hopes of a town reason for not answering your own questions but instead I'm going to cut to the chase.

unvote

VOTE: Projectmatt

[The Acting Method]

Really need to go through my posts before voting... hmmm, I may need to take a different playstyle approach if this one is making me constantly under suspiscion.

[The Acting Method]

projectmatt, you only said that AFTER we asked you if you were going to answer them, that's why it was suspicious. Add to the fact that you were clearly asking for information and as far as I'm concerned that's scummy because you be scum fishing to see what we thought of VJ so you could match your opinions and seem townie.

That's why it seems scummy.

[The Acting Method]

Hot headed, and into activity, making posts in the heat of the moment and not thinking things through, a tendency to say things and then look at them again later and go "what did I mean?" making something that seems only slightly scummy and digging myself into a worse situation.

I did word it weirdly, but frankly how Projectmatt worded things seemed a bit scummy, that or he's telling the truth.

I think that viijay was giving off a town vibe from the tone of his\her posts,

I asked that question mainly to spark discussion and to see if anyone agreed.

The part in bold is really what makes it seem scummy or at the least anti town.

[The Acting Method]

Another thing that makes me think Acting might be town (or scum with Xalxe) is that in one of his recent posts, (don't recall the number but it was on the last page) he defended Xalxe when his logic was being attacked. I don't know. It just seems strange to me that scum under attack from someone who blatantly defend the logic of the person who's attacking them. I don't want him gone, at least not yet.

Acting, explain a little bit how you feel that makes it seem anti-town, though. And fair enough. I figured it was implied that I would answer them eventually, but in retrospect that was silly.

Okay, I'll spell it out to you, in the section I quoted I'd split it into two halfs, the first half (where you give your read) mirrors what most of us said. the second half (where you give your motive) essentially could be seen as "I knew this guy was town, I wanted to see if anyone else agreed with me so that if they didn't I could agree with him and get him lynched." Now as I was typing this I realized that due to the way this game is set up, we have a couple of possibilities (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about any of them.) 1: we have a mason pair of VJ and Project, that's how Project knows VJ is town (Unlikely but that's my theory.)
2: Project is our cop (normal not one shot) who used his ability on VJ (I think it's either the former, just a hunch or Project is scum)

Project, can you remember the page number?

Er, I don't really see The Acting Method as that scummy anymore ad Adc has made 3 posts (I think) but hasn't really commented on the game at all.

True enough, but then Adc is not one to be uber active (Played with him in my first game here.)

[The Acting Method]

Okay, I'll look that post over, and Project, you misunderstood what I meant...

I meant that if you were scum and other townies found him scummy you'd have agreed with them and called for vj's lynch.

That's why I find your behavior scummy, My point is that if your wording and behavior were such that makes me think that if town was to all feel vj was scum you (if scum) would have voted him instead of saying he was town.

In other words, your wording and behavior sounded like a scummy tatic to get vj lynched.

And now my minds going paranoid with a different possibility...

@Tajun: I'll let the wiki do the talking for me: Mason Roles
M = Innocent Child (Confirmed at start of Day 1 by mod)
MM = 2 Masons

MMM = 2 Masons + Innocent Child

MMMM = 3 Masons
MMMMM = 2 Masons + 2 Masons (i.e. two separate pairings)
Bolded the possibility that makes sense under the mason theory.

Now, no he didn't say it, but he didn't say he wasn't positive either, at least that's how I interpreted it.

I see the possibility that he's scum more likely but that's my other theory besides it and just town playing scummy.

[The Acting Method]

EBWODP:
Okay now I know what the wiki icon does, I'll be quoting when I do things like that... I'll leave the wiki button for wiki articles.

[The Acting Method]

Well, if you aren't mason pair, either he's scum, He's just a scummy town, or You are both scum... The latter is the least likely to me.

And Deas Vail? Where did I say that gives him an excuse to not participate? I merely said that he's not that kind of player, not that it's a valid excuse not to participate.

Just saying this isn't the only game where his posts are few.

Meh, on the PR speculation, I only did it because I was explaining the reason I thought he was scum over something else and really I could have not brought it up at all.

[The Acting Method]

Clearly we misunderstood each other, and yeah, doing role speculation is a little silly. But then I think I was more concerned with explaining myself so I see your point and I apologize.

I should learn to keep my side thoughts to myself if it could possibly hurt town.

[The Acting Method]

Going down one train of thought, then realizing another interpretation and mentioning it along side it.

Vote count 1.05

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Shattered Viewpoint - 1 (Xalxe)
DeasVail - 2 (DonJosh, vijay2vasandani)
The Acting Method - 1 (DeasVail)
vijay2vasandani - 2 (Adc75, whispersilk)
DonJosh - 1 (projectmatt)
Xalxe – 3 (Voided Mafia, ShatteredViewpoint, Amrun)
projectmatt - 2 (The Acting Method, Tajun)

Not Voting - 1 (Vadinci)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is set at December 18th, 2011 at 11:59 PDT

Spoiler: Vote History

DeasVail -

Xalxe

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The Acting Method

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Adc75

--> The Acting Method
vijay2vasandani -

Amrun

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whispersilk

--> Daesveal
Vadinci
whispersilk - vijay2vasandani
Adc75 - vijay2vasandani
Xalxe - Shattered Viewpoint
projectmatt - Donjosh
Voidedmafia - Xalxe
Tajun -

Vadinci

-->

Deasvail

--> Projectmatt
Amrun -

The Acting Method

--> Xalxe
DonJosh - Daesvail
The Acting Method -

Tajun

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projectmatt

--> projectmatt
Shattered Viewpoint – Xalxe