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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sat May 28, 2005 8:06 pm

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Actually, it sounds like it may turn up as a posting restriction.
@ Crola : If I'm correct, post two "Kupo" in your next post, please.
We may have other questions from there.

Anyway, I'm not familiar enough with FF but from the pictures I've seen, I would associate this red fire with Sephiroth. Would he be a mooglizing SK or scum Godfather, I don't know but if Crola is still alive, it should make him a bit less suspicious.

In the meantime, random
vote StrykkerVerde
for being in an abusive position with the mod (I may want to re-formulate that... Oh well...).
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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Sun May 29, 2005 1:14 am

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Except that there's no armix, only an arm
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x...
(why do I have the feeling that this will turn to a vote Puzzle?...)
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Post Post #13 (isolation #2) » Sun May 29, 2005 3:17 am

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Congratulations.

My daughter is 7 months and is now teething. Believe me, the lack of sleep and inaptitude to make a correct post are merely beginning...
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Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Mon May 30, 2005 4:06 am

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Hum, the mod also has Spanish in her name...
*waits for Lubabah to be mooglized*
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Post Post #32 (isolation #4) » Mon May 30, 2005 9:00 pm

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@ Darklight140 : the red fire association to Sephiroth I made is really not solid. It's only because when I googled about FF, the pictures I got for Sephiroth were in a background of flames.
As weird as it may sound, I've never played any FF. So, I may be completely off-track with this.

The Mooglization as a kind of protection makes some sense but for some reason, I don't believe this to be the case.
The best way to know would be to ask Crola but I don't see how knowing this would help the town for the time being. So, I'd prefer to abstain from trying to dig too much there. I've got a feeling that we should know more tomorrow anyway.
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Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Tue May 31, 2005 8:51 am

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armlx wrote:So we have no clue whats going on. Hmm. Brian seems clear unless there is a counter claim to sending items.
I do believe that he sent
one
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- I find the coincidence of Strykker receiving 2 a bit odd.
- I agree with Lubabah : why send an object if you don't know what it does ?

@ Brian : do you have any objection telling us which object you sent ?
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Post Post #51 (isolation #6) » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:16 am

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Crola wrote:[quote="mneme"[/b]/me pets crola
KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO! KUPO!
PO!
:evil: :x[/quote]One Kupo if you approve, two if you have no reason to approve :
unvote (if voting), vote mneme
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Zanath Brast wrote:Are you insinuating that determining the roles of the town would not help the town? Are you afraid of having something revealed?
FoS: Puzzle
Yes, I am insinuating that. Whatever role we break out in the open is known to the mafia. A reason for example is that some names have abilities almost intrinsically attached to them, Aeris = doctor for example.
Tell me how revealing details of Crola's role will help us more than the mafia and I may change my mind.
Anyway, it's up to Crola to judge if answering your questions can help us, not to me.

Somebody who was the target of a night ability on night 1, without a day 1, has higher chances to be a townie, so I prefer to investigate others, who have better chances to be scum. We should push scums to give info, not townies.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #7) » Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:34 pm

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The funny thing in most Mafia games I've seen is that the bigger the posting restriction someone gets, the more people try to interpret from it.
Once again, I won't derogate to this rule.
@ Crola : sorry to come back to it again, but your answer about mneme doesn't leave me very satisfied. Are you meaning that you have a hunch or a hint against mneme but no certainty (one Kupo) or that your reaction to mneme meant absolutely nothing (two Kupos).

@ mneme : My vote on you is based on Crola's big reaction to your post, which could be interpreted as a way for you to denounce you. I may be wrong, which is why I'm asking him to clarify, but you should understand that it's worth checking for us.

I think that :
- Brian Mc Queso is clear unless someone counter-claims. He's claiming a major role.
- I may join Zanath's wagon a bit later for his wishy-washy position.

Vote count, please, SapphireVerde ?
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Post Post #75 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:26 pm

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Crola wrote:
Kupo(Puzzle) wrote:Are you meaning that you have a hunch or a hint against mneme but no certainty (one Kupo) or that your reaction to mneme meant absolutely nothing (two Kupos).
Kupo.
That seems more interesting to me than Armlx's wagon.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #9) » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:48 am

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Unvote mneme
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Vote Zanath Brast
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Post Post #83 (isolation #10) » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:54 am

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No more vote please.

Time for a claim, Zanath.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #11) » Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:47 am

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Unvote
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I'm beginning to seriously consider a mass name-claim. Who's up for it ? Who's against ? Why in each case ?
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Post Post #114 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:42 pm

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Before moving on, I'd like to hear Strykker, Brian and Myopia's thoughts on the topic.

If we proceed with the mass name-claim, I see no reason to object Armlx being last.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:41 pm

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Having re-read the thread, I feel happy to
Vote Olio
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As for the mass claim, it can wait a bit longer. For the time being, I'd rather know more about Olio, DL and possibly Strykker.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:28 pm

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Simple question, to which I'd like everyone to answer.
The idea being from me, I'd like to answer this myself after everyone else but Armlx, with reference to his post #109.

Are you one of the following :
Cloud and Aeris from FF7, Squall and Rinoa from FF8, Zidane and Garnet from FF9, and Tidus and Yuna from FF10 ?


@ Crola : 1 Kupo if you are one of these, 2 Kupos if you are not.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:21 am

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Please unvote. There is no rush and I think we can break this game today.

By the way,
unvote Olio
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Post Post #175 (isolation #16) » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:37 pm

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A quick sum-up :
- Brian Mac Queso : Aeris.
- Zanath : Squall Leonhart.
- mneme : Rinoa, cop, found Crola innocent.
- Lubabah : Tidus
- StrykkerVerde : main character.
- Armlx : confirmable role.
- Puzzle : ??? - being at the origin and promotion of this, I think I can claim after the rest and before Armlx.
- Crola : not a main character originally, now a moogle.
- Olio : not a main character.

Waiting for Baby Jesus, Myopia and DarkLight140 to say if :
- they are one of the 8 main characters.
- they are from FF9.
So, what will it be ?

By the way, StrykkerVerde, are you from FF9 ?
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Post Post #178 (isolation #17) » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:40 pm

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olio wrote::oops: In the heat of discussion I had forgotten mneme's claim altogether. That was really bad playing from my part and has distracted town way too much for finding scum. Sorry.

unvote: mneme


I'm Edea Kramer, known also as Sorceress Edea from FF8. Every night I get a role description of a player who is still alive in the game. I can't make requests and I don't get the name or the alignment of the player.

I got "Ellone"'s role last night.

The reason I give full claim is that my "ability" will be useful only in the end game, if even then. I suggest that if no better target comes up in the process armlx proposed, I'll be the one lynched today.
Please, people, do not fall into the rush lynch this seems to be calling for.
Let's get the answers to my post #175 and find the other scums first.
Then, we can consider lynching Olio.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #18) » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:48 am

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Crola wrote:
Olio wrote:"Ellone"'s role
KUPO KUPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:

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Just to be sure : are you claiming Ellone, Crola ? (one Kupo for yes, two Kupos for No).
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Post Post #188 (isolation #19) » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:07 pm

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mneme wrote:Note, however, the downside: We may have already solved the game (by identifying 6 players as major characters, assu,ing Puzzle is one, which seems likely based on his posts)? and therefore slicing things up another way may just hand a doc to the scum.
If we have the Mafia identified, losing the doc is not a big problem, IMO.

Vote Myopia. I'd like answers :
- are you a main character as defined in post #175 ?
- are you from FF9 ?
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Post Post #190 (isolation #20) » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:29 am

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I would still like an answer from Myopia, if you don't mind.

How does this work ? Ah yes,
Vote Myopia
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Post Post #192 (isolation #21) » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:46 am

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Bah, we can lynch Myopia tomorrow and vig Baby Jesus if necessary. If anything remains for day 3, we can get a closer look at a GodFather Moogle (that would be really, really cute).

Darklight140 is 100% pure scum, feel free to vig him, Zanath.

Armlx and I are Masons, enough said.

Let's move on :
Vote Olio
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Post Post #195 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:34 am

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There is no benefit for the town in us giving out more. Let's keep that hidden for a potential (low chances but still...) counter-claim for now.
That said, you could guess easily with a minimal effort.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:56 pm

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Unvote Myopia
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Crola claiming Ellone now bothers me regarding Olio but I still could see a sorceress as a Mooglizer. Seeing who she faced in the mooglization process isn't too hard to accept anyway.
Vote Olio


In any case, we have so many clear townies that we should outrace the mafia by vigging tonight. Even in the unlikely event that we hit a townie, it will reduce the circle of suspects.
@ Zanath : as Armlx said, we are both from FF7. Do you now understand why DarkLight140 is a nice vigging target ?


Is this frigging Vote button working now ? :evil: I really have a problem with technology...
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Post Post #206 (isolation #24) » Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:06 am

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I'm not sure about 3 goodies per FF.
We may also have an SK (as the Mooglizer for example).

However, what is sure for me is that Olio & Darklight140 smell of scum like a fart in an elevator.

Myopia and BJ are my next suspects because Strykker claimed main character from FF10 with Titus already known, which means he claims Yuna and wasn't counter-claimed.

We have confirmed 6 townies by role name or masonry from before my post #147 (which means they claimed by free will) : Brian, mneme, Zanath, Lubabah, myself and Armlx. Crola is also almost cleared, barring GodFather or Moogle=innocent trick and Strykker claimed Yuna without any counter-claim.
If we lynch and vig the rest, there is no mathematical way the mafia can outrace us. Strykker or Crola may be trying a poker trick but anyway, we should still win.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:11 am

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Unvote Olio
just for the time necessary to hear Myopia's claim.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:30 pm

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olio wrote:In my opinion you stated for fact following without taking in account Myopia:
Puzzle and armlx must be telling the truth about their masonry.

So you believe them as long as Myopia comes back?

Lubabah, no need to be sorry. But don't you want to wait for Myopia to come back?
How would any claim from Myopia break our masonry ? by counter-claiming one-person mason group ?
The massive advantage of Masons claims is that it's clear that they are both on the same side. Claiming it on day 1 would be suicidal for any Mafia. Additionally, although Brian Mc Queso is a Mason like us, we know that he is clear. This makes him even clearer than us.

There is one or two things that Myopia could claim that could alter my vision of the setup right now but none could save you or DarkLight140.

@ StrykkerVerde : using your ability on the first night was in any case clearly more likely to hurt the town than the Mafia.
Big FOS StrykkerVerde
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Post Post #229 (isolation #27) » Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:59 pm

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Sapphire : everyone is waiting for Myopia. Please prod or replace him. It is a bit unfair to impose a deadline when we are only waiting for a player you don't want to prod or replace.

Once Myopia claims, we'll proceed to lynch Olio.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:03 pm

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Baby Jesus, how sure are you that Zanath didn't get role-blocked or that DL140 isn't night-kill immune ?

I'm interested in mneme's results but in the meantime,
vote Darklight140
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Post Post #253 (isolation #29) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:48 am

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Okay, let's crack the nut.

In addition to being Masons, Armlx and I are also spare cop and spare vigilante. That means that there is 1 cop and 1 vigilante in the game. Therefore, Zanath and mneme are clear.
We also had a bonus if we found Aeris (which we did this night, although it seems we met only her spirit), so Brian Mc Queso is also clear.
That makes a 5-person 99% townie block. If we vote and vig the rest, we win, particularly as there is one SK down.

Crola has been cleared by investigation, so he can also wait.
Lubabah has made a good claim, backed by the fact that Strykker was his companion in FF10 and was town.
Darklight140 may be immune to night kills but I can accept to leave him alone for now.
Unvote Darklight140
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Vote Myopia
by elimination. Ready to switch to BJ if you prefer.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #30) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:09 am

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@ Zanath : please vig tonight.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:29 am

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:lol:
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Why not vote Armlx then ?
:D

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:lol:

Quite honestly, I admire the last standing square you are doing there. It's very stylish.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:59 am

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BabyJesus wrote:Someone manipulated me today so I am not allowed to vote for puzzle, lol.....

This is why I am certain he is scum. But I cannot vote there.

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Just to improve my understanding of your story : why didn't you claim that you were vote-blocked before, as you seem able to tell it ?
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Post Post #266 (isolation #33) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:03 am

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Okay then,
unvote Myopia, vote BabyJesus
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@ Zanath : do not specify your target, indeed.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #34) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:48 pm

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Look at it on the bright side : if we are scum, then BJ is town (:lol:).

Then, if after his lynch he appears town, You can send Zanath to vig me and mneme to investigate Armlx and lynch any remaining happily tomorrow.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:43 am

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Zanath Brast wrote:I agree; it's a
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, and unless the scum have some dirty trick up their sleeves, we can still pull off a win even if BJ turns up town. So that's the plan. We lynch BJ today, and if he turns up town, I vig Puzzle, and mneme investigates armlx. No matter what, we'll be able to clear or condemn both of them, since even if my 50% miss chance kicks in *knocks on wood*, we'll know which alignment Puzzle had.

Last count I had, BJ had four votes against him. We can wait for an official vote count though.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #36) » Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:03 am

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Zanath Brast wrote:I agree; it's a sound plan, and unless the scum have some dirty trick up their sleeves, we can still pull off a win even if BJ turns up town. So that's the plan. We lynch BJ today, and if he turns up town, I vig Puzzle, and mneme investigates armlx. No matter what, we'll be able to clear or condemn both of them, since even if my 50% miss chance kicks in *knocks on wood*, we'll know which alignment Puzzle had.

Last count I had, BJ had four votes against him. We can wait for an official vote count though.
This is a VERY bad plan. There is a problem with it....part of the downside to me learning about a role, is that f I die the following day, there is a 50% chance I will appear in the writeup to be the very person that I just viewed. Hence, since I viewed Puzzle as SIN, there is a 50% chance I will appear to BE SIN, and a 50% chance I show up as my real role.

Therefore, if I DO come up as SIN, you need to know this, and know that it means PUZZLE is the manipulator.

As I said, Brian McQueso can verify this information, we really need to wait for him to confirm this before moving on....
And if he comes up as scum, there is a 50% chance that Earth gets invaded by human-eating aliens.

OMG, we can't let that happen...

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Post Post #289 (isolation #37) » Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:42 am

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That's seconded, although I'm beginning to have the weird feeling that he may have been affected by some effect BJ knows about, seeing his insistance to get him on to post and the fact that Armlx and I saw only his spirit.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #38) » Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:02 pm

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May I suggest sending the daisy to DL ?

And yes, we should move on now.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #39) » Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:20 pm

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Actually, note the following :
- Armlx and I have not seen Aeris but only its spirit, which gave us flowers to boost us.
- BJ was heavily pushing for BMQ to back him up.
- BJ seems to anticipate being revealed as Sin.
- Sin in FF10 is an entity that absorbs people to control them (correct me if I'm wrong - I googled that up).

In fact, I wonder if BJ didn't take control of Aeris last night. I'm Ok with mneme, Armlx and Zanath but as much as I think BMQ was clear on day 1, I don't give him full confidence anymore.

Still, we probably began with 3 scums and 1 SK and the following townies on day 1 : Puzzle, Armlx, BMQ, mneme, Strykker and Zanath. Crola (inspected) and Lubabah (strong claim) seem to be relatively clear also.
That would mean Myopia, BJ and DL140 (less sure but still my bet for now) as scum, with Olio as SK.
We may still have : Myopia, DL140 and now BMQ as scum. However, we may recover BMQ by lynching BJ and both him and DL140 are still less scummy than Myopia to me.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:50 am

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Zanath : I guess you got role-blocked.

I was the one talking to Armlx. Mate, you shouldn't have said you were Cloud...

Vote DarkLight140
. Do I need to explain how he survived Zanath's first attempt ?
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Post Post #351 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:20 pm

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mneme wrote:I had a bit of suspicion about Zanath (who hasn't managed to kill anyone yet, apparently) but the roleblock last night clearly should (and does) allay that.
Don't forget that Armlx and I got spare vig and spare cop roles in addition to our masonry.
It means that there are both 1 cop and 1 vig. Therefore, you and Zanath are 100% clear.

@ Zanath and mneme :
Concerning the role-block : is it possible that the blocker took possession of you for the night ?
He may then have used your abilities against us. If the vig-kill from Zanath had been used against BMQ, that would explain Armlx's kill (normal mafia kill).
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Post Post #354 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:22 pm

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Myopia wrote:If thats all true can you explan why armlx came up "townie" rather than "mason"?
If that's untrue, can you explain why armlx would have lied about being mason with me ?
All townies come up with no other explanation on death. See post #1.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:49 am

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A balance problem, particularly with masons being back-ups, which allowed us to confirm cop and vigilante. Maybe less abilities in the game would have helped.

However, the game was quite flavourful and had much more efforts story-wise than whatever I could come up with.

Thanks, Sapphire.
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