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I think the red fire was more for show. The very concept of Sephiroth having the ability to turn others into Moogles is quite preposterous, IMO. Perhaps it's an alternative power held by the mafia... although I can't think of any evil-aligned roles in FF which could turn people into Moogles. Maybe they're good-aligned?Puzzle wrote:Anyway, I'm not familiar enough with FF but from the pictures I've seen, I would associate this red fire with Sephiroth. Would he be a mooglizing SK or scum Godfather, I don't know but if Crola is still alive, it should make him a bit less suspicious.
Well, he's made his first double post, so my vote feels justified now. And for the record, this is only my second game here on mafiascum, although I've played online mafia before.BabyJesus wrote:Zanath, you havent been here long have you, it's not nice to Vote Babyjesus so early seeing as he holds the record for the most Day 1 lynches on the board. It's a courteousy I've decided to start giving him, I won't vote for him until he makes his first double or triple post.
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Are you insinuating that determining the roles of the town would not help the town? Are you afraid of having something revealed?The Mooglization as a kind of protection makes some sense but for some reason, I don't believe this to be the case.
The best way to know would be to ask Crola but I don't see how knowing this would help the town for the time being. So, I'd prefer to abstain from trying to dig too much there. I've got a feeling that we should know more tomorrow anyway.
FoS: Puzzle
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Big FoS: BrianMcQueso
. Why the hell would you reveal to the town vague information about your night abilities without giving details? The blitzball, obviously, comes from FFX, and I can't see how that would be an evil role. Wakka is another character who comes to mind with blitzballs. The rose, however... I've only played FFVII, VIII, X, and X-2, and none of them had roses with any significance. I mean, possibly it's Aeris, since she's the flower girl, but the type of flower was never specified. Still, though, that's a possibility. Are there any other FF games which included the significance of a rose?Unvote: BabyJesus
, too. That vote is worthless now; we have something to work with.And, finally, I disagree with Puzzle's statement. I say Crola can give us some useful information. Crola, I have two questions for you. Respond with two Kupos for yes, and one Kupo for no.
1. Does your Mooglization have anything to do with your role directly?
2. Do you know anything about your Mooglization beyond what we already know?
(Okay, who was it that invented the word Mooglization? )
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Ech.
Perhaps I worded my previous statements incorrectly. I didn't mean that we needed to know exactly who was who (BMQ was a special case). I meant that it is important for us to know what the town has available. The advantage goes to the scum only if they know
Big Un-FoS: Brian McQueso
. Your claim is reasonable enough.Perhaps I worded my previous statements incorrectly. I didn't mean that we needed to know exactly who was who (BMQ was a special case). I meant that it is important for us to know what the town has available. The advantage goes to the scum only if they know
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has the important roles. They remain as clueless as us, though, if they know the roles but not the role assignments. You follow?-
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Yes, DarkLight140, thank you for shoving those kind words into my mouth. I wanted a mass roleclaim, and now I don't. You read my mind.[/sarcasm]
A mass roleclaim was the last thing I was thinking of. When could I have ever implied that idea? We were talking about getting information from Crola to see if he/she knew anything. Crola could have had important clues about the roles of this game. We asked questions, and we found nothing. There. My curiosity has been resolved. I've dropped the issue. I didn't want to take anything further than that. The only other role for which I wanted information was Brian McQueso's, and the reason for that should be obvious.
A mass roleclaim was the last thing I was thinking of. When could I have ever implied that idea? We were talking about getting information from Crola to see if he/she knew anything. Crola could have had important clues about the roles of this game. We asked questions, and we found nothing. There. My curiosity has been resolved. I've dropped the issue. I didn't want to take anything further than that. The only other role for which I wanted information was Brian McQueso's, and the reason for that should be obvious.
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olio, at what point was I asking questions that related solely to Crola's role? Look carefully at my questions. "Does your Mooglization have anything to do with your role directly?" That question was not entirely about Crola's role. It was attempting to establish whether or not Crola had a role relationship with another. "Do you know anything about your Mooglization beyond what we already know?" I think we can all agree that Crola's current state is not a direct effect of his/her own role. This was merely an attempt to verify that. I won't deny that my questions did relate to Crola's role, but his/her role was not my main goal.olio wrote:Zanath, at what point "we" were talking about getting information from Crola about other roles? The questions you presented were solely about Crola's role. You didn't even ask directly, just speculated and now your curiosity is satisfied?!
Well, I didn't like the way DarkLight140 presented his/her case against me. Sarcasm isn't a good way to get someone into a lynch, either. From what I can gather, DL was presuming that I was either stupid (suggesting that we reveal roles without clarifying who was whom) or deceitful (advocating a mass roleclaim and then backing out), and I am neither.StrykkerVerde wrote:I don't like the way you're defending yourself here, sarcasm usually isnt the way to go to get yourself out of a lynch.
Do any of you realize how frustrating and ridiculous this is? It was a simple statement. A few people read too much into what I had said, made a few assumptions, and turned it into an attack against me. And you know what? All of you are falling for it. I can guarantee you that at least one scum is voting me right now, and I'm willing to bet that it's either DarkLight140 or StrykkerVerde.
Vote: DarkLight140
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Pff, fine. I'm Squall Leonhart, the main protagonist of FF8. I'm a vigilante, and if I target an innocent, there is a half chance that my attack will fail. Also, I have the option each night of picking one other person. If I pick Rinoa, then something special will happen (this wasn't clarified). If the person I pick isn't Rinoa, then something bad will happen to me (this also wasn't clarified).
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That may be true, DL, but remember that there are going to be a set of roles that we
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Oh, Crola, I thought you were supporting a mass roleclaim. I mean, after your post #89, you seemed to favor one.
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That's half right there, so the town still seems to be supporting a mass claim, even without Crola and mneme.
Hm... something to note here. Notice that mneme and Crola are both against the mass claim, even though Crola seemed to support it before. mneme also claimed Rinoa and cleared Crola as an innocent. Coincidence? This is probably a foolish suggestion. I mean, I
Anyhoo, it only takes one more person to be for the mass claim. I guess we'll wait and see what everyone else says.
Anyway, I've gone back and counted up how many people are for and against the mass roleclaim.Crola wrote:Kupo Kupo!Puzzle wrote:Unvote.
I'm beginning to seriously consider a mass name-claim. Who's up for it ? Who's against ? Why in each case ?
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That's half right there, so the town still seems to be supporting a mass claim, even without Crola and mneme.
Hm... something to note here. Notice that mneme and Crola are both against the mass claim, even though Crola seemed to support it before. mneme also claimed Rinoa and cleared Crola as an innocent. Coincidence? This is probably a foolish suggestion. I mean, I
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for a fact that one of us is Rinoa, since my role directly refers to it.Anyhoo, it only takes one more person to be for the mass claim. I guess we'll wait and see what everyone else says.
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Confirm Vote: DarkLight140
Being against a mass roleclaim is one thing. Doing everything in your power to stop one is another. You're starting to sound like you really don't want to reveal your role, possibly because you'd have to make one up. I vote that if we do get a majority supporting a mass roleclaim, then DarkLight140 makes the first claim. He is acting the most suspicious out of everyone, and I'd like to put him on the spot. As I said before, I have a fairly good idea of what
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of roles we should be expecting, but I'm not going to say them yet, as I don't want to give the scum any suggestions on what to claim. I'd advise that everyone else refrain from making suggestions, too.And yes, I think it's safe to assume that Puzzle supports a mass roleclaim. Think about it, who would really say, "Who wants a mass roleclaim? Okay, I was just wondering, because I don't want one." If Puzzle didn't want this, he wouldn't have suggested it.
Of course, if I'm wrong and Puzzle is really against this, then I apologize... but I find that highly unlikely.
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DarkLight140 is not "just talking". He's not bringing any more useful information to the table. Look at his Post #110. That's not discussion; that sounds a lot more like desperation to me. Your post, on the other hand, does bring good discussion that we all should think about before mass claiming. (And I had this long retaliatory post set up for you until I read your Post #119. Thank goodness I chose to read that before I posted it.)Myopia wrote:As for zanath brast im getting more and more suspicious. Your play today has been pretty over the top. I cant really see how darklight is "doing everything in his power to stop a claim"? Hes talking. Something I whole heartedly agree with before doing something this serious. You presented what was a pretty vague idea for a day 1 mass-claim and agressively pursue anyone who wants to talk about it first?
Yes, I know, there are about ten major roles in each major FF game. Fine, I'll make the argument I didn't want to make. We can almost certainly identify which roles will be in this game. From the themes of the roles revealed so far, I can guess that the mod took roles from FF7-10. We know that the main protagonist and the main heroine will be in this game. That means Cloud and Aeris from FF7, Squall and Rinoa from FF8, Zidane and Garnet from FF9, and Tidus and Yuna from FF10. That's eight roles. In a twelve role game, we can expect three bad guys. I can almost guarantee that Sephiroth and Seymour will be two of them.
In any case, with eight roles we can almost guarantee that will be in this game, that leaves only one role open for anything else, and I'd put my money on Tifa from FF7, due to that love triangle between her, Cloud, and Aeris. So, as you can see, when you think about it, there aren't really that many roles for scum to hide behind. With only twelve players, we won't see any Barrets, Zells, Quinas, or Rikkus. We'll only be seeing the major players. This is why I'm advocating mass roleclaims. The scum don't have many roles to hide behind so long as we know which roles to expect.
As for having a vote count for my night kill, I have no problem with that. Good idea, mneme. I especially like the point that my kill has a 50% miss chance against innocents, while our day lynching doesn't. However, you have to understand my position; I'm almost positive that DL is scum. I'm not going to look favorably on killing anyone else tonight (if anyone at all) if we don't lynch him today.
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If I've read the recent posts correctly, this is the current town's position:
Puzzle
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BabyJesus
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mneme
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DarkLight140, your points are well presented. After giving it some thought, I have also decided that a mass roleclaim can wait. Most of the people who expressed an "I'll do whatever the town does" opinion also noted that they are against the mass claim. We'll see what Rinoa and I can do tonight and watch how things change.
I'm still keeping my vote on you, DL, for all of the reasons I have indicated thus far.
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DarkLight140, your points are well presented. After giving it some thought, I have also decided that a mass roleclaim can wait. Most of the people who expressed an "I'll do whatever the town does" opinion also noted that they are against the mass claim. We'll see what Rinoa and I can do tonight and watch how things change.
I'm still keeping my vote on you, DL, for all of the reasons I have indicated thus far.
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Unfortunately, we won't eventually know. I could just be very unlucky. Well, we still could confirm my role to the town. I'm hoping that tonight will confirm it when I choose mneme as Rinoa. If that "something special" is revealed to the town, that should confirm both of our roles.BabyJesus wrote:As for zanath - 50% failure if he hits an innocent? interesting, but if he's lying about that we'll eventually know. I agree that having him take a shot at Darklight is a good idea also.
Looks like more people want DL targeted by me rather than lynched.
Unvote: DarkLight140
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. I would also like a vote count, please. (DarkLight140 current has three VigVotes, if anyone wants that counted.)Crola, you can participate in the VigVoting, too. Just post a number of Kupos equal to the number of the person you want killed tonight, based on the list at the top of the thread.
So, if you wanted DL taken out tonight, post four Kupos. To VigVote olio, post eleven Kupos.The Mod wrote:Lubabah
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And when did Crola ever have the opportunity or the inclination to say that "he wasn't trying to make it clear who he was addressing"? What didDarkLight140 wrote:Okay, ten kupo->Zanath Brast. Eleven kupo->olio. I'm never mentioned. He said he wasn't trying to make it clear who he was addressing, so I'll hazard a guess that those are his top two scum choices, with the 'po' being 'or'.
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mean by that?Mod: I unvoted DarkLight140.
StrykkerVerde: I seemed scummy because DarkLight140 suggested that I was hinting at a mass roleclaim and then backed down. I attempted to show that this wasn't the case, and everybody forced me into a role claim. Beyond that, some people believe that my play has been "over the top" today (using the words of Myopia, iirc). I wouldn't say I've been "over the top" so much as been very active in this game and aggressive in my tactics against DarkLight140. If that's over the top... well then, so be it. That's my style of play.
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Actually, it's me who was sure. And I'll explain why. We have a character who has confirmed that he received two items: a flower and a blitzball. We have a claimed Aeris (FF7) who gave the flower and a claimed Tidus (FF10) who gave the blitzball. We also have a claimed Squall and Rinoa (FF8). I believe all four role claims; I really doubt that if the scum were lying, they would make the lie so elaborate. We know that there are roles from FF7, FF8, and FF10. I highly doubt the mod would exclude FF9, so that is why I believe all roles in this game span FF7-10.olio wrote:Puzzle, why are you sure there are participants from all of those FF's? And why do you want to answer last?
As for why we will only have the main protagonist, the main heroine, and the main antagonist... well, this is only a twelve role game. We don't have enough people for many more roles than these.
Crola, you forgot to answer some important questions. I'd like to know why you want me dead.
And, a question of my own:mneme wrote:Are you saying you think Zanath's scum?
Are you saying youknowZanath is scum?
Are you saying you think Olio's scum?
Are you saying youknowOlio's scum?
Beyond my Day 1 behavior, is there any justification you have that makes you suspect me?
(In case it wasn't clear, my answer to Puzzle's question is yes. )
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To Crola, as you appear to have missed this question:
I may as well ask you about olio as well. Beyond his/her Day 1 behavior, is there any justification you have that makes you suspect olio?Zanath Brast wrote:And, a question of my own:
Beyond my Day 1 behavior, is there any justification you have that makes you suspect me?
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Especially when I know for a fact that this particular role is in the game.armlx wrote:If your best defense is "I'm not scum, they are" when "they" is a uncounterclaimed cop......
Vote: olio
I wouldn't be surprised if FF9 isn't in this game either; I never played it past Dali. Still, I think it would be odd for the mod to exclude that game, though of the four FF games from 7 to 10, 9 would be the most likely to be excluded.
Unless anybody has complaints about it, I'm targeting DarkLight140 tonight. If anybody objects to this, please post now with your reasoning. DarkLight140, I'd suggest that if you have a roleclaim to make, you do that soon, as you may not get the time later in case we lynch olio.
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I call BS. Edea would not be a simple investigator role without some strings attached. For you non FF8-players out there (you are completely deprived...), I'll give a quick summary about Edea. She's a Sorceress of the present who is being possessed by another Sorceress of the future, Ultimecia (and I think Ultimecia might be another role in this game). Ultimecia is possessing Edea to find Ellone, for complicated reasons that I won't go into now. However, Ultimecia eventually releases control over Edea, and she becomes good again.olio wrote:I'm Edea Kramer, known also as Sorceress Edea from FF8. Every night I get a role description of a player who is still alive in the game. I can't make requests and I don't get the name or the alignment of the player.
Edea is one of the main antagonists for the first half of the game. Like I said, I doubt that Edea's role would be so simple. I don't beleive you, olio.
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Puzzle and armlx can't both be lying at the same time. We have an uncounterclaimed Aeris. We
I have no doubt that DarkLight140 is scum; I already made that clear.
I don't believe olio with his Edea claim. Edea wouldn't be a good-aligned role... I don't think. I mean, especially with that kind of power. Receiving the role of a person each night? That kind of reminds me about how Edea was searching the world for Ellone, and that was while she was possessed by Ultimecia.
I'm also rather suspicious of Crola. There's something about that Moogle that bothers me. A lot. Crola wanted me dead, even after I claimed Squall, although Crola also wanted olio dead. To me, Moogle != Innocent. I hope we can get some better answers out of Crola tomorrow.
Strykker is clear, I suppose. Unless Myopia counterclaims, there is no reason to believe that Strykker isn't Yuna. But... that would leave only two good-aligned roles in FF10. What does that do to our theory? Myopia will hopefully be able to answer that question, but supposedly Myopia won't be back for another couple days. *sigh*
So today, we lynch olio, and I kill DarkLight140 tonight. We'll see what turns up tomorrow.
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to have a Cloud; there's no doubt in my mind. Since Puzzle and armlx both claim masonry from FF7, and nobody else is claiming a main character from FF7, one of them must be Cloud. And, since they are clearing each other, they both must be telling the truth.I have no doubt that DarkLight140 is scum; I already made that clear.
I don't believe olio with his Edea claim. Edea wouldn't be a good-aligned role... I don't think. I mean, especially with that kind of power. Receiving the role of a person each night? That kind of reminds me about how Edea was searching the world for Ellone, and that was while she was possessed by Ultimecia.
I'm also rather suspicious of Crola. There's something about that Moogle that bothers me. A lot. Crola wanted me dead, even after I claimed Squall, although Crola also wanted olio dead. To me, Moogle != Innocent. I hope we can get some better answers out of Crola tomorrow.
Strykker is clear, I suppose. Unless Myopia counterclaims, there is no reason to believe that Strykker isn't Yuna. But... that would leave only two good-aligned roles in FF10. What does that do to our theory? Myopia will hopefully be able to answer that question, but supposedly Myopia won't be back for another couple days. *sigh*
So today, we lynch olio, and I kill DarkLight140 tonight. We'll see what turns up tomorrow.
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Read what I said again. "Nobody else is claiming a main character from FF7." I didolio wrote:Can you show me where Myopia claimed not being a main character from FF7?
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say "Everybody else claimed a non-FF7 main character." I meant that with the information currently on the table, we have no reason to think that Puzzle and armlx are lying.I never said that, and I didn't mean that. I merely meant that the game is going to stall for a few days while we wait for Myopia to return.olio wrote:So you rather lynch now than wait for Myopia to claim and stop us from just speculating? Why?
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[quote=olio]In my opinion you stated for fact following without taking in account Myopia:
Puzzle and armlx must be telling the truth about their masonry.
So you believe them as long as Myopia comes back?[/quote]
-_- You and DarkLight140 really seem to have a habit of turning my words against me. Really. And it's starting to irritate me.
Yes, according to what I believe, unless Myopia claims otherwise, Puzzle and armlx must both be telling the truth. There must be a Cloud in this game, so Puzzle or armlx must be Cloud. That clears both of them.
[quote=StrykkerVerde]On a side note I dont think Olio is scum. thinking about it, edea was only a bad guy for one disk, at which point she was on the good guys team. I would expect the mod to make the edea character a good guy, ( she's a real sucker for storyline)[/quote]
Correction: Edea was one of the main antagonists for
Puzzle and armlx must be telling the truth about their masonry.
So you believe them as long as Myopia comes back?[/quote]
-_- You and DarkLight140 really seem to have a habit of turning my words against me. Really. And it's starting to irritate me.
Yes, according to what I believe, unless Myopia claims otherwise, Puzzle and armlx must both be telling the truth. There must be a Cloud in this game, so Puzzle or armlx must be Cloud. That clears both of them.
[quote=StrykkerVerde]On a side note I dont think Olio is scum. thinking about it, edea was only a bad guy for one disk, at which point she was on the good guys team. I would expect the mod to make the edea character a good guy, ( she's a real sucker for storyline)[/quote]
Correction: Edea was one of the main antagonists for
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Edea's creepy theme was rather cool, but I liked the Sorceress battle theme much better. You know, the one played when you fight Edea, the Sorceresses during the Time Compression, and the first Ultimecia battle.
Myopia was supposed to have returned yesterday, I believe, and we haven't heard anything. I say that if we don't hear anything by the end of tomorrow, we lynch olio. I'll target DarkLight140 tonight and choose mneme as Rinoa. We'll go from there.
I just remembered something, too. Lubabah, your "summoner" is Yuna. So that means you accidentally activated your power last night, since you sent it to Strykker. :\
(btw, Strykker, is there any reason why you are still voting me?)
Myopia was supposed to have returned yesterday, I believe, and we haven't heard anything. I say that if we don't hear anything by the end of tomorrow, we lynch olio. I'll target DarkLight140 tonight and choose mneme as Rinoa. We'll go from there.
I just remembered something, too. Lubabah, your "summoner" is Yuna. So that means you accidentally activated your power last night, since you sent it to Strykker. :\
(btw, Strykker, is there any reason why you are still voting me?)
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So.
An interesting result last night. Troubling, too. If any of you didn't notice, DarkLight140 is still alive.
mneme was indeed Rinoa, so if there was any doubt about mneme's role, there should be none now. Because I found Rinoa last night, my shot was guaranteed 100% accuracy, which means that if I targeted an innocent last night, he/she would not die.
I targeted DarkLight140. He's still alive.
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I'm actually hoping that there was some sort of role blocker or misdirection, or there is a serious problem with our theory.
An interesting result last night. Troubling, too. If any of you didn't notice, DarkLight140 is still alive.
mneme was indeed Rinoa, so if there was any doubt about mneme's role, there should be none now. Because I found Rinoa last night, my shot was guaranteed 100% accuracy, which means that if I targeted an innocent last night, he/she would not die.
I targeted DarkLight140. He's still alive.
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I'm actually hoping that there was some sort of role blocker or misdirection, or there is a serious problem with our theory.
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Please keep in mind that my 100% accuracy lasted only for last night. From now on, I will still have that 50% miss chance if I target an innocent. I'm still going to use my vig powers tonight, though. I'm also assuming that from now on, you don't want me to tell you who I'm targeting. My failure for last night may have been because everyone (including scum) knew who I was targeting.
@ Crola: Why did you suspect me yesterday, even after I had an uncountered role claim? Was it related to your suspicions of olio? Also, can you reveal anything about your role as Ellone, or would you prefer not to do so?
Cloud and Barret. That's who they have to be. Or Cloud and Tifa. And the mod didn't "have it all wrapped up this nice and neatly". We merely unraveled it this nicely. Cloud and Barret or Cloud and Tifa make the perfect pair, since they were part of AVALANCHE, the rebel group in FF7 against Shin-Ra.BabyJesus wrote:I think it is clear (to me) at this our "masons" are the BG group....clever way of hiding out in the open but I don't buy for a second that the mod would have it all wrapped up this nice and neatly.
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for the same reasons as above.@ Crola: Why did you suspect me yesterday, even after I had an uncountered role claim? Was it related to your suspicions of olio? Also, can you reveal anything about your role as Ellone, or would you prefer not to do so?
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First of all, that role does not match Selphie at all. Selphie is from FF8, and she is also a SeeD. None of her game powers, limit breaks, or anything match with that night power. Second, Sin would not be a role in this game. Jecht, sure. Seymour, sure. But not Sin. Even if Sin could be a role, it is extremely unlikely that it is aligned with any other person.
And even if all of this could possibly be true, why wasn't your first action today to vote Puzzle?
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I agree; it's a sound plan, and unless the scum have some dirty trick up their sleeves, we can still pull off a win even if BJ turns up town. So that's the plan. We lynch BJ today, and if he turns up town, I vig Puzzle, and mneme investigates armlx. No matter what, we'll be able to clear or condemn both of them, since even if my 50% miss chance kicks in *knocks on wood*, we'll know which alignment Puzzle had.
Last count I had, BJ had four votes against him. We can wait for an official vote count though.
Last count I had, BJ had four votes against him. We can wait for an official vote count though.
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[quote=Crola]Aeris? Sorry, I've only played the beginning of FF3 and that's it.[/quote]
Actually, that's from FF7.
If I counted it right, BJ has five out of the six votes needed to lynch him, so at least one more should do it. I'll do my best to make a good vig decision tonight.
Oh, and happy birthday, Sapphire!
Actually, that's from FF7.
If I counted it right, BJ has five out of the six votes needed to lynch him, so at least one more should do it. I'll do my best to make a good vig decision tonight.
Oh, and happy birthday, Sapphire!
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If that were reason enough to clear you, then DarkLight140 would also be cleared completely. Just as DL could be a Godfather-like role who is immune to night kills, you could be a Godfather-like role who is cleared by investigations. Of course, the fact that you were cleared at all puts you at the bottom of the suspicion list, but you're still there.Crola wrote:Wouldn't it make sense for me not to be on the scum list since I was cleared by the cop?
I'll put everything into consideration when I decide who to vig tonight.Crola wrote:Also, if you "vig" kill me and Darklight is either scum, or gets the bad 50%, you'll be losing a valuable townie. We have a little time to think about that, but it's something to keep in mind,
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Puzzle wrote:- Sin in FF10 is an entity that absorbs people to control them (correct me if I'm wrong - I googled that up).
***WARNING: SMALL FF10 SPOILER BELOW***
Not true. According to Yevon's teachings (religion in FF10), Sin is the incarnation of the failings of humans. It is a massive beast, a possessed aeon, killing everything in its path. There are a few other details about Sin which could give clues about some details of its role, but without the existence of two or three other FF10 roles, I doubt that these details would exist. So I'd say that we could simplify Sin to the bringer of destruction.
Oh, I almost forgot about the toxin. When Sin attacks, if there are any survivors, they are exposed to Sin's toxin. This toxin sometimes provokes a type of amnesia. This could also be an ability of Sin's role, if that role exists in this game.
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We kind of half-assed a mass roleclaim. It was never affirmed that we would do one, but many of us have made our claims anyway. I don't think you need to reveal any specifics about your role yet. That can wait until tomorrow. We have our lynch choice, and after analyzing the posts, I have now firmly decided who I'm going to target tonight. All we are waiting for is the last vote to take care of BJ.Crola wrote:Also, why are there so many role claims so early on? Are we mass claiming or did we decide against that? I will further explain Ellone's role if everyone else wants me to.
I know who my kill target will be if he turns up town, as well as my kill target if he turns up scum. Hopefully, mneme has come to similarly solid decisions. And hopefully they don't coincide with mine.
:S Zanath Brast, please.The Mod wrote:5 - BabyJesus - Puzzle, armlx, Zarnath Brast, mneme, and Darklight140
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Heh, for a second there, I thought I died last night.
I targeted DarkLight140 again. It wasn't an easy decision when we learned of Sin's toxin, but I realized something. The only difference between last night and any previous night is that on a normal night, I automatically kill scum, and innocents have a 50% miss chance. Last night,
I also received a subtle clue when I learned that I was roleblocked: I think the same person who roleblocked me also killed Brian. It has to do with the particular wording of certain things (I can't quote the mod, so I won't be specific). I don't know if this is an important clue, but it's there.
Anyhoo, has DL roleclaimed yet? If so, what was his claim? If not, I think he should make one now.
I targeted DarkLight140 again. It wasn't an easy decision when we learned of Sin's toxin, but I realized something. The only difference between last night and any previous night is that on a normal night, I automatically kill scum, and innocents have a 50% miss chance. Last night,
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got a 50% miss chance. So the innocents still have the same chance of evasion, but the scum get that same chance as well. I figured it was worth a shot at using my power again.I also received a subtle clue when I learned that I was roleblocked: I think the same person who roleblocked me also killed Brian. It has to do with the particular wording of certain things (I can't quote the mod, so I won't be specific). I don't know if this is an important clue, but it's there.
Anyhoo, has DL roleclaimed yet? If so, what was his claim? If not, I think he should make one now.
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As I understand it, yes.Crola wrote:Zanath, you getting knocked out was a role block, right?
DL is the top of my suspicion list, mostly because he hasn't claimed yet. Crola and Myopia tie for second. Lubabah claimed Tidus, and he hasn't been counter-claimed, so I think he's clear. Myopia claimed Lulu, and I find it a bit dubious at the moment. There's something about that claim that just doesn't sit right with me. I've always had a sneaking suspicion about Crola, but it's not enough for an FoS, let alone a vote.
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And in his last fit of insanity, DarkLight140 reveals to us that there is one last mafia member left. There are seven of us. With DL dead, that leaves six. An instant kill of up to five players? That leaves one left: the last mafia. mneme, it's up to you and me. We've got this.
The fate of the world of Ivalice rests in the hands of Squall and Rinoa. How appropriately romantic.
The fate of the world of Ivalice rests in the hands of Squall and Rinoa. How appropriately romantic.
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*double-checks the PM* It doesn't specify that it's a one-time thing. I doubt the mod will let me do it again, but I'll make the suggestion just in case.
On the other hand, according to the mod's wording, Sin's toxin doesn't appear to be a one-timer. Sapphire, could you please verify this on the day end post?
On the other hand, according to the mod's wording, Sin's toxin doesn't appear to be a one-timer. Sapphire, could you please verify this on the day end post?
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Man, my sudden death at the end of the previous day made me sweat, because I knew mneme was going to be killed that night, too. And I was almost certain Myopia was the last scum; his role claim didn't sit right with me. I mean, having the power of immunity to
By the way, Angelo is Rinoa's dog. I had to stop myself from screaming that out to everyone. You all need to play FF8, or something.
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night powers sounded wrong. Also, Reflect is a spell that Yuna knows and can cast, not Lulu. Anyhoo, good game, everyone.By the way, Angelo is Rinoa's dog. I had to stop myself from screaming that out to everyone. You all need to play FF8, or something.
The Mod wrote:Squall Leonhart– you are avigilante. As Squall you are the leader of the Mercenary force known as SeeD. If you target an innocent you have a 50% chance of missing. If you find Rinoa, PM me who you think she is, and if you are right something special will happen. If you are wrong, you must deal with a posting restriction or a worse punishment I will give you. This is optional. You win with the town.