I like this wagon better than BJ-wagon and Strykker's reasoning for BJ-vote just sound crappy to my ear.
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I still like my vote on Strykker, as well as the growing wagon on armlx. I'm ready to jump on latter if it gets close to lynch, but right now Zanath has give some good reasons to move my vote.
Zanath, at what point "we" were talking about getting information from Crola about other roles? The questions you presented were solely about Crola's role. You didn't even ask directly, just speculated and now your curiosity is satisfied?!
Crola, do you know anything about other roles? (1 for no, 2 for yes)
Zanath, at what point "we" were talking about getting information from Crola about other roles? The questions you presented were solely about Crola's role. You didn't even ask directly, just speculated and now your curiosity is satisfied?!
Crola, do you know anything about other roles? (1 for no, 2 for yes)
unvote: StrykkerVerde
vote: Zanath Brast
vote: Zanath Brast
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I can see that, but not from your original post with your questions. In my opinion you didn't clearly brought forward the point about other roles until Darklight voted for you.Zanath Brast wrote:I won't deny that my questions did relate to Crola's role, but his/her role was not my main goal.
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
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there's no life without a sound.[/size]
Let me get this straigth: you think there hasn't been any solid reasoning behind my votes? When I've seen something scummy in this game - which hasn't been much so far in my opinion - I've voiced my opinion about it and voted. What in your opinion is a justified vote on day one?Puzzle wrote:Having re-read the thread, I feel happy to Vote Olio: a bit too much of a tendency to a the same time surf on the wave and not put his head up too much. Add to this an interesting lack of real justification about his choices.
Mneme and BJ. How does my contribution to the game differ from contribution of Lubabah or StrykkerVerde? Why aren't you voting them?
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there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
We? Who is this "we"? So, you just happen to vote for me instead of others and the fact I had one vote on me already has nothing to do with your choice, right?mneme wrote:Olio: Nothing amazingly stands out -- it's just that your play has looked very defensive so far (of course, that's also a doc tell As to why we're not voting strykker or... well, we can only vote for one, after all.
Puzzle, why are you sure there are participants from all of those FF's? And why do you want to answer last?
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
With that answer I take you mean "yes, I don't have any decent reasoning behind my vote".mneme wrote:Wow, what an excellent defense! I shall surely be motivated to unvote you now.olio wrote:So, you just happen to vote for me instead of others and the fact I had one vote on me already has nothing to do with your choice, right?
mneme, the reason behind my question to Puzzle was exactly that: if somebody says "no" to that question, few players will see him as potential target. Your eagerness to lynch me based on the fact that I might not answer "yes" to that question, combined with your "reasoning" behind my vote is enough for me to:
vote mneme
That said, I'll say "no" to that question, no need to look for hints anymore. I'd like to hear everyone elses answers before going further.
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there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
In the heat of discussion I had forgotten mneme's claim altogether. That was really bad playing from my part and has distracted town way too much for finding scum. Sorry.
I'm Edea Kramer, known also as Sorceress Edea from FF8. Every night I get a role description of a player who is still alive in the game. I can't make requests and I don't get the name or the alignment of the player.
I got "Ellone"'s role last night.
The reason I give full claim is that my "ability" will be useful only in the end game, if even then. I suggest that if no better target comes up in the process armlx proposed, I'll be the one lynched today.
unvote: mneme
I'm Edea Kramer, known also as Sorceress Edea from FF8. Every night I get a role description of a player who is still alive in the game. I can't make requests and I don't get the name or the alignment of the player.
I got "Ellone"'s role last night.
The reason I give full claim is that my "ability" will be useful only in the end game, if even then. I suggest that if no better target comes up in the process armlx proposed, I'll be the one lynched today.
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
FF7
Brian Mac Queso : Aeris.
Armlx : mason with Puzzle
Puzzle : mason with Armlx
Darklight140: ?
FF8
Zanath : Squall Leonhart
mneme : Rinoa
olio: Edea
Crola: Ellone
BJ: ?
FF10
Lubabah : Tidus
StrykkerVerde : main character.
Not known:
Myopia
Well, my role has only one sentence of background info, but I thought you'd see that without saying. I've been released from the grip of Ultimecia.
armlx and Puzzle, can you say for fact there are 3 good guys from 3 series? If you look at the list up there, what do you make of Myopia then? How does Ellone and Edea fit in your main-characters -theory?
What I don't like at the moment, is that we have two masons backing each-other up and leading the town, saying that they don't really have to claim, as it could hurt the town.
I say we wait for Myopia to say what game he is from before doing anything stupid.
Brian Mac Queso : Aeris.
Armlx : mason with Puzzle
Puzzle : mason with Armlx
Darklight140: ?
FF8
Zanath : Squall Leonhart
mneme : Rinoa
olio: Edea
Crola: Ellone
BJ: ?
FF10
Lubabah : Tidus
StrykkerVerde : main character.
Not known:
Myopia
Well, my role has only one sentence of background info, but I thought you'd see that without saying. I've been released from the grip of Ultimecia.
armlx and Puzzle, can you say for fact there are 3 good guys from 3 series? If you look at the list up there, what do you make of Myopia then? How does Ellone and Edea fit in your main-characters -theory?
What I don't like at the moment, is that we have two masons backing each-other up and leading the town, saying that they don't really have to claim, as it could hurt the town.
I say we wait for Myopia to say what game he is from before doing anything stupid.
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
Why do you think it's a lie, pray tell me? And why do you think I'd copy the sentence straigthly out from my mail, thus breaking the rules? You do know, there are rules in the game we should abide, right?armlx wrote:Lie. Also possibly falls under quoting role PM.
Well, my role has only one sentence of background info, but I thought you'd see that without saying. I've been released from the grip of Ultimecia.
So if Myopia is mafia, he'll fool at least you by claiming FF10, as in your closed mind there isn't other possibilities, right? You're making dangerous, if not outright stupid over-generalizations based on your info about FF7armlx wrote: Average Scum to town Ratio at start: 9 to 3. 3 good for 3 games = 9. I have info pointing to 3 good in FF7, so it makes sense.
Myopia- FF10. Obviously. 1 open slot left in that game, one unclaimed person....
only
as well as some mystical Average Scum to Town Ratio which you think we'll be effect in this game. If you have facts, that's fine, but do you really think mod would've not thought about those things when designing the game?Clears you enough for what? Stop thinking? I can see your over-eagerness to prove yourself to the Mafiascum community by pushing your theory to the bitter end, but by doing so you're also endangering the game for the town, as in your crusade you're trying to close all the other avenues of thought.armlx wrote: Our being masons clears us enough. Unless Myopia randomly claims FF7 (which he is obviously 10), heres how it goes.
Me & Puzzle- Back each other up, so we are on the same side. If we are scum, there are only 2 in FF7 and 4 scum overall = no as there are 3 per game and 4 scum is just wrong also. If we are town, DL is scum and there are 3 scum.
You once again are dead sure that there are 3 scum in the game. How about these scenarios:
2 groups of 2 mafia.
1 group of 3 mafia and sk.
1 group of 2 mafia and 2 sk's.
What makes 3 scum scenario more possible than any of those? Your "info" about FF7 characters in the game? The Average Scum to Town Ratio?
Nobody else doesn't know how many kills there are going to be following night, excpet you, it seems. Don't take me wrong, I still think it's a good play for town to lynch me, if there's still uncertainty about roles, as we won't lose anything major in progress, but I think you're just harming the town with your closed-mindness.
I'm still waiting for Myopia before voting and I suggest you do the same.
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
Can you show me where Myopia claimed not being a main character from FF7?Zanath Brast wrote:nobody else is claiming a main character from FF7
So you rather lynch now than wait for Myopia to claim and stop us from just speculating? Why?Zanath Brast wrote:Unless Myopia counterclaims, there is no reason to believe that Strykker isn't Yuna. But... that would leave only two good-aligned roles in FF10. What does that do to our theory? Myopia will hopefully be able to answer that question, but supposedly Myopia won't be back for another couple days. *sigh*
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
In my opinion you stated for fact following without taking in account Myopia:Zanath Brast wrote: Read what I said again. "Nobody else is claiming a main character from FF7."
Puzzle and armlx must be telling the truth about their masonry.
So you believe them as long as Myopia comes back?
Lubabah, no need to be sorry. But don't you want to wait for Myopia to come back?
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
I'm just pointing flaws in your logic.Zanath Brast wrote: -_- You and DarkLight140 really seem to have a habit of turning my words against me. Really. And it's starting to irritate me.
Yes, according to what I believe, unless Myopia claims otherwise, Puzzle and armlx must both be telling the truth. There must be a Cloud in this game, so Puzzle or armlx must be Cloud. That clears both of them.
armlx, you didn't seem to be care to answer my questions about different bad guy set-ups. Why's that?
Brian, when it comes to mason-claim on day one, I hope you remember this is no ordinary day one. Everyone has given out some info from their role. Like armlx says, we win, unless we are wrong about everyone. As that is still a possibility, I'll keep pointing at flaws in logic, as well as unthoughtful ideas like following:
No matter what he claims? What is your reasoning behind that?Puzzle wrote:Once Myopia claims, we'll proceed to lynch Olio.
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
FF7
Brian Mac Queso : Aeris.
Armlx : mason with Puzzle
Puzzle : mason with Armlx
Darklight140: not main
FF8
Zanath : Squall Leonhart
mneme : Rinoa
olio: Edea
Crola: Ellone / cleared
BJ: ?
FF10
Lubabah : Tidus
StrykkerVerde : main character.
Myopia: not main
That pretty much settles it. Two lynches and two vig kills and we should have the game in the bag, if armlx and puzzle are telling the truth. I suggest either one of them is investigated tonight and meanwhile we proceed killing all the non-main roles except Crola.
Feel free to lynch me now.
Brian Mac Queso : Aeris.
Armlx : mason with Puzzle
Puzzle : mason with Armlx
Darklight140: not main
FF8
Zanath : Squall Leonhart
mneme : Rinoa
olio: Edea
Crola: Ellone / cleared
BJ: ?
FF10
Lubabah : Tidus
StrykkerVerde : main character.
Myopia: not main
That pretty much settles it. Two lynches and two vig kills and we should have the game in the bag, if armlx and puzzle are telling the truth. I suggest either one of them is investigated tonight and meanwhile we proceed killing all the non-main roles except Crola.
Feel free to lynch me now.
[size=75]Music makes the world go 'round,
there's no life without a sound.[/size]
there's no life without a sound.[/size]