Mini 194 - Final Fantasy Ivalice - Game Over!
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Okay, that's more than a little disturbing. We seem to have a mooglizer on the loose! Flee for your lives! (Or at least your lives as non-moogles...)
Does that have any actual effect? Crola? I'd guess that you can't say anything but "Kupo", and possibly "*Squeak!*, but that's entirely unsubstantiated and based on flavor text, so...
Does that have any actual effect? Crola? I'd guess that you can't say anything but "Kupo", and possibly "*Squeak!*, but that's entirely unsubstantiated and based on flavor text, so...
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Sorry to go way back to the beginning here, but Puzzle, why would you associate the 'red fire' with Sephiroth? The only times in FF7 I can think of flame being connected with him are calling Meteor, obviously, which while accompanied by fire in the sky is hardly a cloud of any sort (unless 'rock' is a type of cloud), and the burning of Nibelheim, which, well, was more of an unexplained but Sephiroth-originated phenomenon of total destruction than what seems to be a mostly harmless cloud. Only 'some parts' of Crola's house were even burned.
Unfortunately, I'm not quite so good with my other FF villans (I never played FF9, and didn't finish FF10; I really need a better gaming system than a PS1), so I'm not sure who it actually would be (if it's a player rather than flavor), but your conclusion seems a bit off to me, and while looking for the wrong guy isn't critically bad, it can hardly help.
Okay, how's this for a theory on the Moogle thing. What if the red fire was someone trying to harm (or otherwise target) Crola, and turning into a Moogle was a side effect of protection? I know I've seen roles where the protect-ee would have a kill reduced to a 'knockout' (the exact effects of which typically included not voting or speaking), and this seems similar, but otherwise this is just a fairly random thought. I do know that you couldn't turn people into Moogles in FF7, so the ability isn't from that game.
My theory on the BabyJesus thing: Lynching him Day One is habit-forming. It's like letting IS live or treating someone as a confirmed innocent: once you've started, it's hard to go back even when you should. Should this be one of those times, well, there's really just one way to find out.
Unfortunately, I'm not quite so good with my other FF villans (I never played FF9, and didn't finish FF10; I really need a better gaming system than a PS1), so I'm not sure who it actually would be (if it's a player rather than flavor), but your conclusion seems a bit off to me, and while looking for the wrong guy isn't critically bad, it can hardly help.
Okay, how's this for a theory on the Moogle thing. What if the red fire was someone trying to harm (or otherwise target) Crola, and turning into a Moogle was a side effect of protection? I know I've seen roles where the protect-ee would have a kill reduced to a 'knockout' (the exact effects of which typically included not voting or speaking), and this seems similar, but otherwise this is just a fairly random thought. I do know that you couldn't turn people into Moogles in FF7, so the ability isn't from that game.
My theory on the BabyJesus thing: Lynching him Day One is habit-forming. It's like letting IS live or treating someone as a confirmed innocent: once you've started, it's hard to go back even when you should. Should this be one of those times, well, there's really just one way to find out.
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BrianMcQueso, why are you claiming? I mean, I know there are a lot of questions about something you have information on, but that's like giving things away to the mafia, and you're not near a lynch- indeed, not a single vote was on you. Do we
Zanath Brast, how the heck are we supposed to get the complete list of roles- espicially nonbasic ones- without having anyone say what their role is? Make a list of likely role and have everyone yes/no their role ability being on it? Have everyone say three possible roles they might have, and then... no. You know what, I think you advocated a mass roleclaim and are now backpedaling. In a theme game espicially, a mass roleclaim isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I don't like your I-take-it-back-mostly attitude.
Anyway, I think we know from his kupo's that Crola knows nothing, and BrianMcQueso's role hardly answers any questions but "who", so... I think
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need to know that your role consists of sending unknown-effect flowers to people? It's not that I don't believe you, but rather that I think your claim was pretty dumb.Zanath Brast, how the heck are we supposed to get the complete list of roles- espicially nonbasic ones- without having anyone say what their role is? Make a list of likely role and have everyone yes/no their role ability being on it? Have everyone say three possible roles they might have, and then... no. You know what, I think you advocated a mass roleclaim and are now backpedaling. In a theme game espicially, a mass roleclaim isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I don't like your I-take-it-back-mostly attitude.
Anyway, I think we know from his kupo's that Crola knows nothing, and BrianMcQueso's role hardly answers any questions but "who", so... I think
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Hmmm...
Also, Crola may have trouble nameclaiming... or claiming anything, for that matter. That's not something we should let stop us, though.
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. Interesting... I could go for a mass nameclaim, but I don't expect it to help too much. There are enough Final Fantasy games that the mafia won't have any trouble making up decent claims.Also, Crola may have trouble nameclaiming... or claiming anything, for that matter. That's not something we should let stop us, though.
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Wait, you're voting me for "avoiding the role-claim"? Puzzle asked for our thoughts on a mass claim, and I gave them. There's been nothing like clear agreement that we are in fact mass claiming. At the moment, we've effectively got four "yes" votes and a "no" vote. There are
So why are you claiming? What the heck? And further, how am I avoiding the role claim more than the person who actually opposed it insted of simply pointing out its weaknesses?
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people in the game. The obvious thing to do- in fact the only sensible thing- is to get at least half the players' opinions before moving forward.So why are you claiming? What the heck? And further, how am I avoiding the role claim more than the person who actually opposed it insted of simply pointing out its weaknesses?
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Crola, are we supposed to be able to get anything out of that?
Is Puzzle fully in support of the claims? He said he was "beginning to seriously consider a mass name-claim", but didn't say he actually fell on the 'yes' side of the fence. He just seemed to be questing for reasons and thoughts on the issue. I'd like a position statement from him, and all players not on the above list.
Also... armlx, I have a couple questions I'm dying to ask about that statement, but we'll get to that if/when we get to it. No sense in asking you to reveal more now...
Is Puzzle fully in support of the claims? He said he was "beginning to seriously consider a mass name-claim", but didn't say he actually fell on the 'yes' side of the fence. He just seemed to be questing for reasons and thoughts on the issue. I'd like a position statement from him, and all players not on the above list.
Also... armlx, I have a couple questions I'm dying to ask about that statement, but we'll get to that if/when we get to it. No sense in asking you to reveal more now...
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I would contend that Post #110 was not in fact me desperately trying to avoid a roleclaim, but rather me trying to point out that we have a lot of people who have yet to take one stance or another. Puzzle had
In any case, I would guess that the scum are perfectly willing to claim those major roles and fight out the counterclaims (or make the counterclaims themselves). Any scum worth their salt have already noticed the trend you pointed out so very reluctantly and have been working out roleclaims for themselves over the past few days. I strongly doubt anyone anti-town has even considered resorting to claiming, say, Yuffie or Laguna.
It could easily take the town four or five days to sort through three or four counterclaims, and those are lives the scum are probably willing to trade for nightkills and diverted lynches- espicially if, as has been suggested, they've got one or more of their members using a safe claim. Godfathers, miller-izers, or any scum with other special abilities (daykill is a nasty one) could make things that much harder for the town. The scum knowing exactly who to kill is a very bad thing... after a mass claim, don't count on the doctor lasting more than a night or the cop lasting more than one beyond that. Also, any serial killers out there could mess make the power roles go down twice as fast once claimed- they'd only have to say to themselves, 'who will the mafia want removed next', and go for a different power role.
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actively supported the role claim, but rather allowed it to be inferred that he did. Other players had, and still have, said "I will do whatever the town says". This was the situation I was trying to get more information on- stressing a subject, trying to get others to focus on it more is not "bringing any more useful information to the table", I'll admit, but I would contend that it is worth something.In any case, I would guess that the scum are perfectly willing to claim those major roles and fight out the counterclaims (or make the counterclaims themselves). Any scum worth their salt have already noticed the trend you pointed out so very reluctantly and have been working out roleclaims for themselves over the past few days. I strongly doubt anyone anti-town has even considered resorting to claiming, say, Yuffie or Laguna.
It could easily take the town four or five days to sort through three or four counterclaims, and those are lives the scum are probably willing to trade for nightkills and diverted lynches- espicially if, as has been suggested, they've got one or more of their members using a safe claim. Godfathers, miller-izers, or any scum with other special abilities (daykill is a nasty one) could make things that much harder for the town. The scum knowing exactly who to kill is a very bad thing... after a mass claim, don't count on the doctor lasting more than a night or the cop lasting more than one beyond that. Also, any serial killers out there could mess make the power roles go down twice as fast once claimed- they'd only have to say to themselves, 'who will the mafia want removed next', and go for a different power role.
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Okay, ten kupo->Zanath Brast. Eleven kupo->olio. I'm never mentioned. He said he wasn't trying to make it clear who he was addressing, so I'll hazard a guess that those are his top two scum choices, with the 'po' being 'or'.
You know, Crola, maybe you should resort to morse code with 'kupo' and 'po'. It would almost certainly make things more clear, although it would be more than a bit wordy...
You know, Crola, maybe you should resort to morse code with 'kupo' and 'po'. It would almost certainly make things more clear, although it would be more than a bit wordy...
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Unless you're arguing that one of the five claimed main characters is lying, I think that, at least, has moved past being an assumption.
That said, my character is so disgustingly tertiary that even if I claimed (which I don't think I will, at least not unless I'm around tomorrow), no one would believe me. Just the same, as long as we lynch someone that's not a main character every day, if there's only a mafia and not an SK as well, they just won't be able to keep up, espicially with a pretty confirmed cop, vig, and roleblocker in the works moving things the town's way. Sometimes it's a pro-town player's job to let himself die for the sake of the plan.
That said, my character is so disgustingly tertiary that even if I claimed (which I don't think I will, at least not unless I'm around tomorrow), no one would believe me. Just the same, as long as we lynch someone that's not a main character every day, if there's only a mafia and not an SK as well, they just won't be able to keep up, espicially with a pretty confirmed cop, vig, and roleblocker in the works moving things the town's way. Sometimes it's a pro-town player's job to let himself die for the sake of the plan.
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Okay. I've finally shown up. And I'm alive, no less (copvig roles are an innocent man's friend). Cool stuff, huh?
On BabyJesus... I think you're really reaching. You've claimed to have a
On BabyJesus... I think you're really reaching. You've claimed to have a
randomly self-millerizing roleblocker/cop
role. That seems just a bit... off. Whatever, though. Let's just get BrianMcQueso in here, see what he says, and go from there. I don't see any reason to rush things, and whatever he says, either way, will make everyone sure of their actions.To be Continued...
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Yes, I could be a godfather with nightkill immunity, but somehow that strikes me as really reaching. A much simpler solution is that I'm just pro-town.
Anyway, why are we dragging this day on and telling the mafia all our night plans? Let's just
((Also, once Aeris dies, you can "bring her back" if you've got a GameShark. Glitches some things, though.))
Anyway, why are we dragging this day on and telling the mafia all our night plans? Let's just
Vote: BabyJesus
and finish it.((Also, once Aeris dies, you can "bring her back" if you've got a GameShark. Glitches some things, though.))
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All right... this looks kind of ugly for me, I must admit. My claim is thus:
I'm Vincent Valentine, the optional character from FF7. I'm immune to nightkills, and if I would have died, I'm instead told who tried to kill me and given vigilante powers the next night.
Now that I've claimed, I doubt either of my abilities will ever come into play, so feel free to lynch me. It looks to me like we have the numbers on the scum enough that we can afford a mislynch with no problems, unless they get two kills again. I bungled this role pretty horribly anyway.
I'm Vincent Valentine, the optional character from FF7. I'm immune to nightkills, and if I would have died, I'm instead told who tried to kill me and given vigilante powers the next night.
Now that I've claimed, I doubt either of my abilities will ever come into play, so feel free to lynch me. It looks to me like we have the numbers on the scum enough that we can afford a mislynch with no problems, unless they get two kills again. I bungled this role pretty horribly anyway.
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I was dead without your help, Crola, but I suppose in the interest of unity, I'll
Also, I don't think that was a nightkill-immune person, but whatever. A lot of good it did him if it was.
Also, as a member of the mafia, I whine about this game! I complain about the setup! And then I make declarations of undying hated against both characters and players, for this game and all others, because I'm so very evil and I can say whatever I want because I've been lynched and none of it matters. Mwahaha! Also, I laugh at you for activating
vote: DarkLight140
. Come on, let's make it unanimous! You're scum if you don't vote me. Seriously, you are.Also, I don't think that was a nightkill-immune person, but whatever. A lot of good it did him if it was.
Also, as a member of the mafia, I whine about this game! I complain about the setup! And then I make declarations of undying hated against both characters and players, for this game and all others, because I'm so very evil and I can say whatever I want because I've been lynched and none of it matters. Mwahaha! Also, I laugh at you for activating
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on-death power... an instant kill of up to five players! The mafia wins! To be Continued...
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Mmmm, tasty ice cream.
I really don't know what to think about this game. Essentially, as far as I can tell, it was harribly skewed in the direction of the town because a nameclaim would identify all the bad guys. However, the mafia had some pretty nastily powerful abilities, which came startlingly close to making up for it. I felt like I was only delaying my inevitable loss, though, in spite of the number of townies we'd kiled by the end.
I really don't know what to think about this game. Essentially, as far as I can tell, it was harribly skewed in the direction of the town because a nameclaim would identify all the bad guys. However, the mafia had some pretty nastily powerful abilities, which came startlingly close to making up for it. I felt like I was only delaying my inevitable loss, though, in spite of the number of townies we'd kiled by the end.
To be Continued...