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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Sat May 28, 2005 8:27 pm

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In keeping with my tradition, I random vote the username I understand the least.

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vote: Zanath Brast


Lubabah wins honorable mention, though.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #1) » Mon May 30, 2005 11:50 am

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Ha, what's with the bandwagon on BabyJesus? Maybe it's just me, but this is the first time he's making sense to me and not pissing me off to high heaven.

For now.

By the way, Strykker, did you get any presents last night?
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Post Post #38 (isolation #2) » Tue May 31, 2005 7:23 am

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mneme wrote:So, Brian, can you guess as to the significance of the gifts Strykker recieved?
Unfortunately, guessing is
all
I can do. I sent him one of those objects, but I myself am unaware of what effects it as on the game, which is why I was hoping that Strykker could've shed some light on it for me. He doesn't seem to know either, though, so I guess that's a dead end.

unvote Zanath Brast
, because random votes suck. I'd still like an explanation of the name, though :P
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Post Post #52 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:22 am

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I was trying to keep my information vague in order to figure out what my role did on my own without having to do a full claim so early.

Nevertheless, there's plenty of questions about my role, so I might as well spill the details. I'm Aeris Gainsborough, the flower girl from 7. I'm not a doctor like Puzzle guessed (although I
could
be, I can't be sure), but I have a choice of three flowers to send to people each night. I can send people a Rose, a Tulip, or a Daisy, and only the mod knows what each one does.

I'm not sure how useful the flowers will be without knowing their effects, but hey, it beats being a townie.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:09 am

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Strykker wrote: Brian why do you always perform your potentially dangerous experiments on me?
Well, I never thought a flower would be “potentially dangerous”. Besides, I know your play style, I know you wouldn’t hold back information. I was hoping by testing my powers on you, I could get a clear picture of exactly what these flowers do.
Darklight wrote: BrianMcQueso, why are you claiming?
To be honest, I didn’t really feel right about claiming this early. However, my question about Strykker’s gifts threw a lot of suspicion towards myself, and by explaining, I was hoping to aid the town and avoid a lot of confusion. Just hinting at my powers and keeping everyone in the dark would just make things worse for us.
Strykker wrote: I started thinking about whats going on a while ago and I realized. You aren't playing like yourself at all. The Brian I know would never role claim or give out information like you did unprovoked and for no real reason like you just did. I'm not sure if your just getting lazy, or maybe you're slipping in your old age but there is definetly something wrong with what happened in the past few posts.
Ha, slipping in my old age? Well, I’m playing differently because my role is so different. When I’m a role that has huge benefits to the town, like a cop or doctor, I keep the information to myself so the scum doesn’t find out. But in this situation, I’m not exactly a heavy power role (and I can’t be as long as I’m lost in confusion), so I’m more focused on finding out what my powers do, to better help the town, and the only way I can do that is through public discussion.
Puzzle wrote: The funny thing in most Mafia games I've seen is that the bigger the posting restriction someone gets, the more people try to interpret from it.
Information is information, no matter where it comes from. Besides, if our little mog can help us in some way (even if it’s just delivering mail*), it’s better than just letting him sit there inactive.

*
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles reference. Those moogles were the cutest anyway.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #5) » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:53 pm

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Simply put, a mass claim (of whatever fashion) dumps a whole lot of information out into the open. While this information benefits the town, it also benefits the scum.

If we do a mass claim and we're able to use it to find scum with their weak claims, then hooray for the town. If we can't find scum with it, though, then we essentially hand a blueprint of the town to our enemies, dramatically improving the quality of their nightkills.

Among the Final Fantasy games, there were roughly 10 major characters between each of 7, 8, 9 and 10 (which is all we're drawing from, I believe). That's a pool of 40 easily-accessible names to draw from. It won't be hard for scum to come up with a decent claim.

Also, it'll be fairly easy to put roles together with characters. A mass name claim is almost equal to a full claim. If you give me a list of characters, I could slap together roles to each that would be 80-90% accurate.

The possibility always exists that the mod created "safe claims" for the scum characters, as well. It might explain why some people are so eager to claim (and it also could just be townsfolk that are willing to show they've got nothing to hide).

For all of the above reasons, I'm against a mass claim of any kind this early in the game.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:54 pm

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Simply put, a mass claim (of whatever fashion) dumps a whole lot of information out into the open. While this information benefits the town, it also benefits the scum.

If we do a mass claim and we're able to use it to find scum with their weak claims, then hooray for the town. If we can't find scum with it, though, then we essentially hand a blueprint of the town to our enemies, dramatically improving the quality of their nightkills.

Among the Final Fantasy games, there were roughly 10 major characters between each of 7, 8, 9 and 10 (which is all we're drawing from, I believe). That's a pool of 40 easily-accessible names to draw from. It won't be hard for scum to come up with a decent claim.

Also, it'll be fairly easy to put roles together with characters. A mass name claim is almost equal to a full claim. If you give me a list of characters, I could slap together roles to each that would be 80-90% accurate.

The possibility always exists that the mod created "safe claims" for the scum characters, as well. It might explain why some people are so eager to claim (and it also could just be townsfolk that are willing to show they've got nothing to hide).

For all of the above reasons, I'm against a mass claim of any kind this early in the game.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #7) » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:38 pm

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BabyJesus wrote:As for zanath - 50% failure if he hits an innocent? interesting, but if he's lying about that we'll eventually know. I agree that having him
take a shot at Darklight
is a good idea also.
I believe that part of his claim, although I can't explain my reasons for now. Give me a couple RL days, and I can make sense of it then.

While I've given plenty of reasons against massclaim, I think individual claims can be useful. If we're genuinely suspicious of Darklight (enough to the point where we want the vig to take a shot at him), then we should be doing our own dirty work and pressuring him to claim, and lynch if unsatisfied.
Zanath wrote: We can almost certainly identify which roles will be in this game. From the themes of the roles revealed so far, I can guess that the mod took roles from FF7-10. We know that the main protagonist and the main heroine will be in this game. That means Cloud and Aeris from FF7, Squall and Rinoa from FF8, Zidane and Garnet from FF9, and Tidus and Yuna from FF10. That's eight roles. In a twelve role game, we can expect three bad guys. I can almost guarantee that Sephiroth and Seymour will be two of them.
An excellent point, and one I hadn't considered. A claim of Cait Sith or Random Villager #4 will certainly stand out from the usual protagonist claims. Now that I think about it, those eight roles listed might be the only pro-town roles. If we all have night-actions (and so far, we do), then I'd expect four anti-town, say, 3 mafia and an SK? If this is true, then it makes mass claim a
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Post Post #161 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:01 pm

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Some quick thoughts since I have little time to post (much need sleep):

1) It's possible (just speculating) that Zidane and/or Garnet are missing from this game because FF9 was a terrible, unpopular game (at least in comparison to the others). This would also free up slots for more popular characters such as Tifa, Zell, Auron, etc.

2) I believe the 50% weird vigilante thing because I gave Ms. Moderator Sapphire a very similar role in
my
game, which began about 3 weeks before this game. I couldn't reveal this until she had died in that game. Metagaming is fun! 8)
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Post Post #174 (isolation #9) » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:09 pm

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Alright, screw it, this game looks breakable. Let's do it.

And, er, I've already claimed. Aeris, FF7.

FF9 sucks.
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Post Post #226 (isolation #10) » Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:05 am

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Firstly, masons claim is way too risky for scum to do on the first day. All it takes is one cop investigation, vigilante kill, etc. for both of them to be revealed and hand over two scum to the town.

Secondly, I believe that StrykkerVerde's the kind of player that would mis-use a power like that as pro-town. I've played with him before, and no matter what his power is, even if it might hurt the town, he tends to abuse it. While I definitely don't agree with this style of play, it's stereotypical for him.

Edea was only an antagonist for part of FF8, but she definitely was villianous for that time. When the name "Edea" is mentioned, my first thought wasn't of the caring woman who ran an orphanage, it was to the evil sorceress and her creepy theme music.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:11 pm

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Sorry I'm late, guys.

Last night, I sent our lovely cop Mneme a Daisy because I was hoping it would benefit him somehow, but apparently, it's a roleblock. I'll be more careful with that in the future.

I didn't touch this whole Darklight thing, so I guess the power of the vigilante clears him.

As for everything BabyJesus says... I can't confirm
anything
. I have no masonry partners. I know nothing of Selphie (or why she'd ever be teamed with Aeris), and I know nothing of Sin or Puzzle.
BabyJesus wrote: This is a VERY bad plan. There is a problem with it....part of the downside to me learning about a role, is that f I die the following day, there is a 50% chance I will appear in the writeup to be the very person that I just viewed. Hence, since I viewed Puzzle as SIN, there is a 50% chance I will appear to BE SIN, and a 50% chance I show up as my real role.
This sounds like a lame excuse as for when we lynch him and he turns up Sin.

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Post Post #298 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:59 pm

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Did I miss something on Darklight? From what I understood, by finding Rinoa, the vigilante got 100% kills against scum and 100% misses against town (at least for that night), and shot Darklight, who is still amongst the living. Doesn't this clear him?

The only other possibilities are less likely, like he's protected from the first kill against him, or the mafia has doctor protections or roleblockings available or something. While they're possible, I think it'd be better to give DL the benefit of the doubt and send investigations instead of bullets his way tonight.

I wonder since now I have a more defined role if that'll draw more mafia fire towards me... oh well, just remember, once Aeris dies, there's no bringing her back, no matter how many false Internet rumors say otherwise.
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Post Post #332 (isolation #13) » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:56 pm

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Puzzle wrote:In fact, I wonder if BJ didn't take control of Aeris last night. I'm Ok with mneme, Armlx and Zanath but as much as I think BMQ was clear on day 1, I don't give him full confidence anymore.
I'm not exactly sure what I did to shake your faith in me, Puzzle, but I think it was the actions of BabyJesus. BJ was trying to take me down with him to get rid of as many innocents as possible, and you can't let him manipulate you that easy.

Mneme's comments intrigue me; I guess I'm not a roleblocker after all. You still did get the flower, though, right?

I think it's time to end this day. Our vigilante should make up their own mind as to who dies, as the longer this day continues, the only thing we'll accomplish is to have more people try to sway the vig's decision.

vote: BabyJesus
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