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Post Post #19 (isolation #0) » Sun May 29, 2005 11:57 am

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Well the opening rules said no kills night 1 so I think we can only assume that the "moggification" was a result of a night choice that wasnt a kill.

I cant really see our scum having moggle powers...

No vote for now.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Sun May 29, 2005 7:05 pm

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Lol and the wagon on baby jesus commences on schedule.

Im finding it amusing that we've got to the point we dont even need to wait for him to say something provocative. Personally its the game where he acts normal that im going to get really worried :D

Armlx can you expand on the "do what must be done" comment? Sounds like you have either information or a vendetta?

Thoughts about the theme? Ive played FF7-10 but not FF Tactics.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #2) » Tue May 31, 2005 11:37 am

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armlx wrote:So we have no clue whats going on. Hmm. Brian seems clear unless there is a counter claim to sending items.

My vote on BabyJesus stands. You all know why :D .
1. No actually we don't. Can you elaborate please?

2. Id say from the opening scene its highly likely we have tidus in the game and he is both pro-town and a power role - maybe a vig or something?

3. Brian given what youve revealed is there any reason why you shouldnt just claim?
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Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Tue May 31, 2005 7:02 pm

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Agree with this which is why I asked armlx to clarify his position.

Babyjesus has been such a soft lynch in other games im not at all surprised that scum might have tried to get an easy one this game.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #4) » Tue May 31, 2005 8:08 pm

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... aha so its the mod who turns people into moggles.... :D
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Post Post #64 (isolation #5) » Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:16 pm

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I agree that im not sure why brian outed himself although it certainly doest seem like something a scum would do.

Presuming that the flowers grant somekind of bonus is it a good idea to just give them out when we are not sure whether they will simply help the scum? I was thinking of more of giving them to confirmed innocents only.

Lots of low level suspicions here. I cant tell whether armlx is sincere or as stated really wanted to get something going on bj. "Ha ha it was all a joke" has a bit of a false ring to me.

Lubabah is posting a lot but not a lot of content. Would you be able to give us a bit more explanation for your darklight vote than "wow" please?

Actually now I think about it Im suspicous enough to

vote armlx


It seems to me that given that the mod has confirmed what i suspected from my role that we are using the theme from different FF games its going to be pretty easy for the scum to hide making mass-claims not a good idea. Each game has its own cast of characters and it would be pretty hard to disprove a claim of "kimahri from ff10" or "rinoa from ff8".

/note not an actual claim
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Post Post #65 (isolation #6) » Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:19 pm

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Oh and sorry for the double post but given the multiple references to the fayth (blitzball etc) it seems likely that there will at least some focus on ff10. Anybody remember the name of the standard effeminate badguy (I get them all mixed up from game to game).
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Post Post #76 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:47 pm

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Mmm... Mneme care to comment? Are you the "moogleerizationer"? :D
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Post Post #113 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:38 pm

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Im not sure what to think about Lubabah. It was as if you almost too eager to jump out and claim tidus.... Im not sure if its because your new or your a scum with a safe claim. As I said before I did think that tidus would be present but i just fail to see what you hoped to gain by claiming like that..

As for zanath brast im getting more and more suspicious. Your play today has been pretty over the top. I cant really see how darklight is "doing everything in his power to stop a claim"? Hes talking. Something I whole heartedly agree with before doing something this serious. You presented what was a pretty vague idea for a day 1 mass-claim and agressively pursue anyone who wants to talk about it first?

I often get attacked myself for suggesting early claims but at least I try and do my homework. More on that below.

As for the mass-claim idea itself. We're holding votes each way but we havent actually discussed any of the important issues:

1. To make my position perfectly clear, im content to go along if we have a clear majority.

2. It should certainly be a mass name claim first as BJ suggested.

2. However i dont weve considered enough to know whether its a good idea here and ill explain what I mean and what we need to consider before we go any further (bearing in mind that weve had a mini-flood of power roles claims already):

In my view its only worth mass claiming if the advantage in confirming innocents and narrowing the scum is more than the disadvantage of exposing our power roles.

In some games a name claim is a pretty good indication of a role. What essentially are our chances that the scum will be able to pick out our doc(s) by name? We currently seem to have a fairly confirmed cop in rinoa (backed up by the squall claim and no counterclaims). Are we simply going to end up with her protection (and id place a large sum of money on it being yuna) dead tonight and rinoa dead tommorow? Do we get enough advantage from the claim that we can handle this?

How easy is it for the scum to hide? Will a claim stand out or do the scum have the whole of several ff games to hide themsleves (and frankly my role plus the roles weve already revealed make it clear that we spread across multiple games).

If the scum have pre-made safe claims this could be disasterous (and why im a bit concerned that several people seem so eager to claim their full roles).

What order are we going to do things in? This makes a big difference. Is there someone we all treat as confirmed who can pick the order?

In short i tend to like mass name claims in theme games but can we at least all give some thought to these issues before we decide whether to do this?

Im sorry but i am unexpectantly on holidays for a week and wont have email access during that time. I may be able to post tommorow if this can all be sorted out but that will be it for 7 days. Mod feel free to replace me if it will disrupt the game unduly.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:02 pm

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Sorry for the extra post but just a quick reread to make sure i didnt miss anything and its clear that puzzle suggested the mass-claim not zanath.

Still a bit sus about him but less of the view that he tried to instigate a mass claim to divert suspicion away from himself
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Post Post #125 (isolation #10) » Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:49 am

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Im just not sure its that neat with the mass-claim (and i think others agree). I might be more receptive once/if we lose yuna (almost certainly our doc as a white mage).

As for the other point I think thats fair. Your vig power certainly has an interesting twist. I dont mind the vig darklight plan. If hes scum then you take him out - if not then theres a 50% chance he will still survive.

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Post Post #236 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:04 pm

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Sorry back now and re-reading. Were obviously way past the debating the merits of mass claiming now.

It does appear that this game is broken in half by everyone claiming. My only lingering doubt at this stage is that some of the assumptions we seem to be relying on may just be a bit "neat" particularly that we automactically have a certain number of good players from each game and that all the main characters are present. I dont know it just seems a bit too easy.

I am from FF10 and im not a main character. Ill fully claim if that is required.

Im happy to lynch olio and have darklight vigged at this point.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:02 pm

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Why is ellone cleared again?

Sounds like a reasonable plan to at least go to night with. I definately dont think it a waste for the cop to check out the masons or the mains. This all seems very easy so far and i dont think we should entirely discount the possibility the scum have been given safe claims.

Do we need to discuss who yuna is going to block / mooglize? Obviously that person wont be able to talk tommorow so we might want to get anything useful out of them first.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #13) » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:49 am

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fair enough with the block thing. i agree.

ok

unvote vote olio
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Post Post #278 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:46 pm

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Seems like an odd story by bj if he cant be verified.

I know there is something wrong with the "all support characters are scum all main characters are not scum" line by the simple fact that i am not a main character and not scum!

Waiting for confirmation from brian and rinoa's statement.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:44 pm

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aha i see it apologies. that definately does support darklight's innocence.

will see what brian says.

theres some holes in bj's story but something just doesnt seem right about puzzle / armlx story either. they really didnt want to be investigated last night when that would have cleared both of them beyond much doubt if they are telling the truth. i also dont like that they didnt claim cloud (and we are still not sure which is which) until everyone else claimed first.

im not going to dismiss a scum plot between the three of them either (although that is a bit farfetched)
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Post Post #297 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:39 pm

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Well blocking me isnt going to do anything but it shouldnt necessarily be harmful to you either.

I have a chance to either be unaffected by a night choice or reflect a night choice back at the person who used them. Accordingly anyone else is fairly warned. I was hoping to catch a scum with it but guess thats irrelevant now.

DL must be the last scum although Im not sure exactly how.
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Post Post #315 (isolation #17) » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:17 pm

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Well reading the writing on the wall it sounds like im the one to be vigged tonight.

Im pro-town but i guess you will find that out one way or the other.

Given I may not survive (as zanath apparantly only killed innocents 0% of the time last night) I will provide my last thoughts.

At this point I can only conclude that at least one of the people on the "confirmed innocent" list is not innocent at all. Im most suspicious of puzzle and armlx given the way theyve been leading the town around but there should still be time to establish that once all the "scum" are dead and the game is still going.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #18) » Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:19 pm

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To clarify, Im Lulu the black mage from ff10.

Night choices targetting me either fail (50%) or reflect (50%).

My pm hints at me acquiring further magic but im not sure how as my power is entirely passive and i dont have any night choices. I can only guess it must revolve around someone else targetting me.

Im not ruling anything out at this stage. The town is so incredibly strong this game (and no night 1 kills!!) that there just MUST be a twist in here somewhere for the game to be remotely balanced.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:17 pm

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Im a bit confused. How was zanath's apparent block similar to mneme's block?

I would also like a full claim from darklight.

Mneme do you have an investigation to share?
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Post Post #352 (isolation #20) » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:39 pm

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If thats all true can you explan why armlx came up "townie" rather than "mason"?
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Post Post #355 (isolation #21) » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:00 am

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No dont have the foggiest. It just seemed odd when I read the front page.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #22) » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:55 pm

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Um no it aint. So you better have a back up plan tommorow.

Vig / investigate me tonight by all means. In fact an investigation maybe the only help at this point (before it was utterly useless given my power).

The mod hasnt been very helpful in indicating how the toxin will effect my power. I can only assume that i will be affected 50%, be immune 25% and reflect 25% so honestly zanath you have only yourself to blame if you end up killing yourself.
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