Mini 1313: Blood Bowl Mafia (Game over)

[BBmolla]

I'll catch up tomorrow.

[BBmolla]

GOD DAMNIT FUCKING FUCK

I HAD MY NOTES UP TO PAGE FIVE WRITTEN OUT AND CLICKED THE TAB BUT ACCIDENTALLY CLICKED THE GOD DAMNED EX

FGSFDS

bhgbbhnm

sadibjerbiidv

n

[BBmolla]

Fuck it, whatever, finishing the rest, give me a bit. I don't understand why Ghostlin isn't lynched, and Tierce and Glork are both pretty obv town.

[BBmolla]

Okay. I've barely read four pages of D1, and I'm comfortable putting Slandaar into the "I don't want to lynch him today" category.

Wtf why

Slandaar isn't playing to his town meta AT ALL. His first post was one of the scummiest things I've seen in this game.

[BBmolla]

Vote: Glork

You're better than this.

FFS STOP

[BBmolla]

Dazzy - Don't know
Ghostlin - Scum. His d1 shit was scum-Ghostlin. AND HIS WAGON DIED FOR NO REASON.
Glork - Obv town.
inte - Town. He tries as scum.
GreyICE Malee -Dumb or scum. Still trying to figure out which.
PeregrineV - Need to reread him, don't know. Don't really understand why people are voting him over Ghostlin/Slan.
Pizzadudes7 - Donno, probably town.
Slandaar - Scum.
Tierce - Obv town

Tierce ask me stuff so you can figure out my alignment.

[BBmolla]

Whatever. I could flip over to StefanB/BBMolla if we really want to.

Why aren't we lynching Slan/Ghostlin?

[BBmolla]

*looks at vote count*

VOTE: Slandaar

[BBmolla]

BBMolla, what exactly is Slandaar's "town meta"? I've never played with him before.

Argh

So on my initial read he said this

So Majiffy, you're Glork's partner, right?

No vote?

You Don't truly believe what you are saying
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

From what I remembered of my two games with Slandaar was that he was always kind of carefree and I didn't think he started that serious ever. Here's the more recent one, second half where I was actually in it got deleted.

...But uh, embarrassingly enough, he doesn't joke around as much as I thought. And I think I overreacted to that original post and it doesn't seem as bad as I originally thought.

I also thought that he was really inactive in this game, which also seemed scummy, but after checking it appears that he's not lurking at all. So. Yeeeah.

UNVOTE:

Give me a bit, lemme reread ISOs and get back to you all.

Tierce ask me stuff so you can figure out my alignment.

You care too much about this.

READ MY MIND DAMNIT

[BBmolla]

BBmolla deserves to die.

Lets make him die folks.

Do you still think Glork is scum?

[BBmolla]

Are you feeling me out to see if I can start a Glork wagon?

What do you think of PV?

No, I think Glork is obvious town and I'm confused as hell why you voted him.

PV is on my Need-to-ISO-ASAP list.

[BBmolla]

Do you still think Glork is scum?

If so, why?

[BBmolla]

Grey, answer his questions.

^

How am I coasting

[BBmolla]

Why are you avoiding the question?

Why are you making things up to get me lynched?

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)
(3) PeregrineV - Tierce, Ghostlin, Slandaar
(2) Glork – inte, PeregrineV,
(1) Slandaar –pizzadudes7
(1) BBmolla – GreyICE

Not voting

: BBmolla,Dazzy, Glork,

Deadline

: Saturday 31 March 20:00 CET

[BBmolla]

Grey, answer his questions.

^

How am I coasting

Lessee.
With about no time left to deadline you have:

A shit vote on slaandar which was based on bullshit meta
No scumreads
No vote
Haven't read the thread

So you basically lamely replaced in, slapped your vote down on a wagon for no reason at all, and appear to want to ride out the day by needling me for voting for you.

I expect an OMGUS vote is the proper way to finish this scum sequence off.

Have you read my posts? I posted my initial scumreads after my read.

I'm not hopping on a wagon without knowing exactly what I'm voting for, how scummy of me.

I read the thread. Including the backup. Go ahead and test me. I unfortunately lost all my notes as I eloquently explained in this post.

[BBmolla]

I'll get the ISOs done tomorrow. I replaced into like six games because the replacement queue is in dire need of replacements so I'm just trying to catch up in all of them.

[BBmolla]

Have you ever played with BBmolla?

I have. So far, I have a pretty accurate record of reading him. Stop tunneling

again

, you're just ruining the signal:noise ratio.

Now answer his questions.

What evidence do you have of BB not reading the thread? I see him catching up.

What questions?

As for BB not reading the thread, he hasn't even read PVs post. At the wire, if you start anywhere you start with the largest wagon, to see if you like it or don't. If you like it, you vote with it.

He hasn't read jack shit.

I skipped PV's post for the sake of time. Because I'd see it when I did ISO's anyway. And it was towards the end so I sped up a bit. My common method is read, give initial reads, do ISOs, give new reads.

And not really, PV didn't leave an impression on me. Hence the "I need to ISO him."

You can pressure me to mindlessly hop on the PV wagon all you want, I'm not going to vote until I do my ISOs.

[BBmolla]

vote extension

(Just home for a few minutes before I have to go to class)

[BBmolla]

BBMolla, I see you browsing the forum. Do pop in and give us your two cents, please.Also, please tell us who your predecessor voted for MVP N1.

So, I unfortunately was busy as hell today(Thursdays always are, I'm pretty much doing things nonstop from 9:00 A.M. to 10:30 P.M. with only 30 minute breaks).

Thank god for the extension, that's all I can say. Tomorrow I should be free except for volunteering I have to do in the morning and I should be devoting a lot of the day to rereading games.

So yeah, I'm here, but I can't provide anything solid until tomorrow. I did get a chance to ask the mod about Tebow's MVP vote though.

So, this is going to look really bad for me, but according to the mod Tebow didn't submit a vote last night. I asked the mod what happened to his vote then, if it was just randomed or whatever, but I was informed that it works like a night action, and if you don't submit you don't vote that night.

[BBmolla]

Glork I'm doing rereads, I have PeregrineV on my list as well as Dazzy, is there anyone in particular you want to hear more from me about?

[BBmolla]

Glork I'm doing rereads, I have PeregrineV on my list as well as Dazzy, is there anyone in particular you want to hear more from me about?

This goes for everyone, I just think Glork is the only one on atm.

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)
(4) Slandaar –pizzadudes7, Glork, GreyICE, Tierce
(2) GreyICE – Slandaar, inte
(1) PeregrineV – Ghostlin
(1) Glork – PeregrineV

Not voting

: BBmolla,Dazzy

Deadline

: Saturday 7 April 20:00 CET

[BBmolla]

Give me a bit to reread Slandaar.

P-Edit: Fine. Whatever.

VOTE: Slandaar

I'll be back after my rereads.

[BBmolla]

Slandaar have you played with Pizza before?

[BBmolla]

Glork what's your Ghostlin read atm btw

[BBmolla]

^If you want you can wait till I'm done with my reread to answer that.

[BBmolla]

Okay. Slandaar offiically needs hammah'd.

^This.

To make things short, the fact you are pushing on Pizza for doing stuff that is just his playstyle when you've played with him before is awful. Pizza could be scum, but if he is it's not for lurking like you've been trying to push.

[BBmolla]

Well im a VT lineman

Just hammer and be done

Get Grey tomorrow he literally has to be scum.

im just a gobbo, vt...rookie

I dont see what the point is in claiming that though not goign to do anything my flip will hopefully enlighten town

Scumbag didn't even bother giving us his rolename when the character name is perfectly clear on the town PMs. Yep, he will flip scum.


BB, reads, etc. INPUT, dammit.


PEdit: Heh. Thinking in tandem.

Yup on it.

[BBmolla]

PV tunnels Ghostlin all early day today, then suddenly votes Slandaar out of nowhere.

I'm voting you because I suspect you are scum with inte and Ghostlin.

Oh rly, is that the only reason? Why did you vote him over the other two?

Then he does nothing.

Oh apparently Glork noticed he has zero reasoning too.

OH LOL HE OMGUSES GLORK

That's god damned hilarious.

And then he isn't here for the Slan wagon.

And then he was pretty much inactive all d1.



PV is probably scum.

[BBmolla]

Tierce's little "vengekill" frenzy is something I haven't decided on the legitimacy of. Could be real, and that's where I'm leaning now.

In a way I'm sad malee is gone, I think she would have been much easier to read than GreyIce has she posted more

^These two quotes by Dazzy are a bit unnerving just because the first one seems like something I'd say as scum, and the second one is just wierd.

Overall Dazzy looks better than PV at the moment. I don't like how he suddenly hopped on the "oh yeah slan is scummy" wagon.

Also he seems to be subtley attempting to discredit the obvious towns.

Also wtf is with his Inte vote.

[BBmolla]

@BBmolla, Glork

- How do you reconcile the PV scumread with the fact that he flipped town in our finished game?

Going back to look one sec.

[BBmolla]

Okay yeah, this ISO looks completely different than the PV we have in this game. It's possible it's because it was the only game being played at that time. *shrug* Mainly it looks far more in depth, the one here looks lackluster in explanations.

[BBmolla]

Also he seems to be subtley attempting to discredit the obvious towns.

^That's what I was referring to.

It's kind of like the whole "They're probably town... BUT COULD BE SCUM!" sort of thing.

[BBmolla]

Okay, so Slandaar was scum.

PV, meh... he can be town, for now. I haven't bothered to compare MwtK.

{Inte, BBMolla, Dazzy} appears to be the pool we're looking at.

Do you guys want me to go ahead and trade myself for one of them, or should I just go through with the dice plan and probably-not-be-targeted-tonight?

I'd roll dice. If you tell scum what you're doing before hand they'll just plan accordingly. Also, rolling dice might scare scum enough to the point they'll be afraid to waste their kill on you, possibly giving you a shot while letting you live.

Maybe do something like 1-2 shoot Inte, 3-4 shoot me, 5-6 shoot Dazzy, 7-10 block. Or even 1-5 shoot, 6-10 block and then just choose who you want to shoot.

[BBmolla]

PV, meh... he can be town, for now. I haven't bothered to compare MwtK.

Why can PV be town all of a sudden

[BBmolla]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

[BBmolla]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

Ain't gonna tell you~<3

Okay. I don't see why you should hide it though. You're not worried about getting nk'd?

[BBmolla]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

Ain't gonna tell you~<3

Okay. I don't see why you should hide it though. You're not worried about getting nk'd?

I'm calling the slot town. What's your problem?

Do you intend to grab firmly onto the "but Tierce called me protown and she can read me well!" if I die tonight and you get run up? I don't expect to have 100% accurate reads on you, reading you is an evolutionary arms race as I said elsewhere. With each game I have to count additional layers of WIFOM and play the odds.

So no, you're not getting anything more accurate than this right now, because I am incapable of giving more and I am sleepy as hell but can't go to bed because schedule must be adhered to.

Fine. You've just been very vocal about how you feel about me in every game and I don't understand why this one is different. Trying a new strategy for playing with me?

[BBmolla]

Also, if you died tonight we'd never know if it's "Town for like one thing, but null on the rest." or "Town for many reasons." Do you not think I could easily use that as scum? I could say "She said pro-town" and insist that you very clearly thought I was town even if you didn't think it that much.

[BBmolla]

Mk.

[BBmolla]

Tierce calls herself super town all the time as town btw.

Why are you pushing a silly theory with nothing that backs it up?

@PV: Town, Scum, Town, Scum

[BBmolla]

also we should be looking more closely at glork seeing as he was vehemently defending pizzadudes' town alignment

...wat

[BBmolla]

2) Apparently my position changed overnight. As far as I know, my role did not. I'm seeking clarificaiton from the mod.

Mine did too btw.

[BBmolla]

I'll fully asses when I get home, I have class.

[BBmolla]

asses

Herp

[BBmolla]

Woah hold on wtf .-.

Okay then I guess I'm a miller. How the hell was I supposed to know that though? My role PM doesn't say shit about it. I don't know jack about Blood Bowl, so I thought me being a Troll was a normal thing.

Folks, if we lynch me today, odds are most likely that

WE WILL LOSE

.

1) Their name - Muck the Marvelous
2) Their role - Rookie, aka Vanilla
3) Their race - Troll
4) Their position - I was catcher, but last night I was changed to lineman.
5) Any actions they have taken day or night - None except for voting and nominating.
6) Their MVP votes on both nights - Night 1 Tebow didn't nominate and last night I nominated Glork.

[BBmolla]

... u gotta come up with something better than that

I'm not "coming up" with anything. I just said what my role PM says.

If you're vanilla, how did you change everyone's position?

You need to follow your own advice though.

[BBmolla]

You could play the game of mafia!

What in all of creation would make you think I'm scum with BBMolla? ANYTHING?!?

And moreover, why would I defend a serial killer as scum? Yeah, that's smart. Defend the guy whose probably bulletproof and I need lynched AND claim scum so he can know exactly who to shoot if he needs to crosskill.

Why would I claim this as his scumbuddy?

Mainly this Glork. That makes zero sense and you know it.

[BBmolla]

You could play the game of mafia!

What in all of creation would make you think I'm scum with BBMolla? ANYTHING?!?

And moreover, why would I defend a serial killer as scum? Yeah, that's smart. Defend the guy whose probably bulletproof and I need lynched AND claim scum so he can know exactly who to shoot if he needs to crosskill.

Why would I claim this as his scumbuddy?

Mainly this Glork. That makes zero sense and you know it.

So you've moved past trying to defend yourself and now are trying to save your buddy. Point noted.

inte why would he claim to defend me if I was his buddy instead of bussing me for town cred.

[BBmolla]

....two trolls...
...useful to team...

I am literally blown away by the stupidity of this statement. Are you allowed to internet without parental supervision?

...Why is this so stupid considering it matches the current situation?
"Your good logic is dumb and you're dumb let me belittle you."
No.

[BBmolla]

BB, who do you think we should lynch? Why are they scum? What behavior posts/actions have they done that makes them likely to be scum?

Grey is probably town. Had he somehow been a scum troll, I highly doubt he'd have claimed to save me, that makes no sense.

You're town.

Honestly I'd like to lynch one of Yates/Peregrine. I have a hard time reading Peregrine because he lurks in most his games unfortunately. His random Slandaar vote concerns the hell out of me, because in his ISO it looks like a bus because of how it played out. Focus switched from Ghostlin to Slandaar in an instant. It bothers me. On the other hand, Ghostlin seemed scummy to me prior to replacing out, and Yates is only making things worse. His recent post especially reads as trying to push a mislynch or two. I'd like to see more from Peregrine, because while I feel Yates is scummier at the moment, it's mainly because I haven't seen

anything

recently from Peregrine.

Dazzy is probably my most solid townread besides Grey/Glork. His small number of posts may look concerning, but if you actually read what he's said, his content is pretty solid.

Despite him being ridiculous, I believe Inte is town. He's often very confrontational like he is in this game, while Inte-Scum is more laid back and trying to go with the flow.

[BBmolla]

@BB, according to the above post, if your reads are correct, the game-state stands at 5:1:1. Is this where you think we are? If not, who else is not a townie?

Is 4:2:1 a more likely assumption? I donno, in general theme games have 10:3, so I just kind of assumed it'd be 10:2:1.

If there are three scum left, I've probably misread either Dazzy or Inte.

We are lynching BB today there is no stopping it at all.

We NEED his flip to at the very least confirm greyice's alignment

...And I gotta tell you, I'm liking Dazzy's recent posts a lot more than Inte's.

If it is 4:2:1, lynching me means we probably lose or at least go to an awkward kingmaker situation. You are aware of that right?

[BBmolla]

Also, going with "inte's plan" is absolutely the right thing to do. We simply *have* to lynch BB to find out what he flips. The only reason GreyICE could conceivably oppose this plan is if he is afraid [knows] BB is going to flip scum. Obviously, if [when] BB flips scum, we have just caught his scum buddy. This is what I've been trying to say this entire day. The only way to get NEW information is to do something DIFFERENT. You guys haven't lynched a Troll yet and a Troll hasn't been NK-ed. If it turns out I'm wrong and the Troll is Town, I will literally eat my hat and post the video on youtube.

Yates is trying to lynch me for information.

In probable MYLO.

Does no one else see the problem with this?

[BBmolla]

In probable MYLO.

[BBmolla]

2) Their role-Troll

I'm an odd-night vig, I eat people.

...

No

Can we lynch PV now?

[BBmolla]

2) BB, why did you vote for me instead of Grey last night?

Because you were more obv town then him.

I'm good with whatever you want to do Glork. I don't think No Lynch is the correct play here though.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: PV

As long as PV flips scum, I'm fine with this plan. If he's group scum, I'll be a bit worried, but technically we have two bulletproofs so I think we win no matter what if we have 2 or less scum left.

[BBmolla]

Grey, I'm town, so I have no idea what's going on.

First of all, aren't we missing some kills? Grey, who'd you shoot? Who was driven? Who did Glork say he was going to shoot?(I'll check back to it in a second)

I'll no lynch after I find out the answers and we know what's going on. Why the rush? If it is 2:1:1, scum can still crosskill right?

I don't even know who I'm talking to anymore. Yates is obvious scum at the moment, but what I'm confused about is who is the other? GreyIce's play makes zero sense from scum perspective, even as gambiting scum there is no way his play could lead to anything but death. Dazzy has seemed town, and Glork had him as pretty much confirmed town...

[BBmolla]

I may have shot, dodged, or taken no action at all.

So you're not going to claim what you did in probably LYLO?(Or kingmaker, idk what to call it)

[BBmolla]

I don't have a vest

[BBmolla]

@Grey: Tell me if I have this right - You are town. I am town. You believe BB is the SK, and Yates is groupScum.

@Yates: Tell me if I have this right - You are town. Since Grey and BB are trolls, they are both anti-town. Are they of the same alignment, or is one an SK?

@BB: Let's assume I'm town for a second. You would lynch Yates over Grey? Tell me why.

Yates play screams scum, and I have enormous doubts that it's You/Grey as the final two.

Grey is probably the other scum though.

Vote count

(4 players alive = 3 to lynch)

(2) No lynch - GreyICE, Yates

Not voting

: BBmolla, Dazzy

Deadline

: Monday 30 April 20:00 CET

[BBmolla]

I wanna lynch Yates.

I don't know what to tell you, I'm not bulletproof. Maybe the mafia have a roleblocker?

[BBmolla]

We don't have proof BB is BP - just your conjecture/fear.

^

But if Dazzy gets MVPed, then I'm confirmed town tomorrow. So don't even bother to fucking play that game.

This is so lolbad.

[BBmolla]

scum can't MVP vote

^Sorry GreyIce.

[BBmolla]

I'm waiting for Dazzy to vote.

[BBmolla]

Dazzy

[BBmolla]

BB - would you please vote no lynch so the day will end when Dazzy finally makes his post?

...But I'm waiting for Dazzy to post to vote.

Stop trying to push me to no lynch scum.

[BBmolla]

Whelp. We lose. gg to you guys.

[BBmolla]

So what now?

I'm town, so from what I can tell I'm the kingmaker. You SK or Maf Grey?

Also any idea if you two can joint or how does that work?

[BBmolla]

[BBmolla]

VOTE: No Lynch

[BBmolla]

We won by pure luck.

[BBmolla]

GreyIce don't hurt me please

[BBmolla]

I'm still confused what happened to:

A. The bus drive.
B. Grey's supposed BP/Shot

[BBmolla]

So get this.

I have a kill every even night that only works if that player has the same position as me. Someone had an odd night(I believe PV) and I think it had the same requirement.

So I targeted Pizza n2, not really paying attention to the same position thing.

The kill only went through because inte used his ability.

What luck right?

[BBmolla]

It's an extra kill in addition to our night kill.

[BBmolla]

This win feels pretty dirty, I was obvious scum there for a few days and only survived on the assumption that there was more than one scum left.

@Grey: Well it only works if they're same position at us, we got lucky twice in a row. Luck was definitely a huge part of this win.

[BBmolla]

What happened to the SPP votes at the end guys?

[BBmolla]

We probably should have done a race rolecall from the start, no?

My issue with this was just reliance on flavor.

P-Edit: Wtf your role was troll?

Role-PM

Name:

Muck the Measels infested

Fluff:

I'm hungry. My tummy is growling. Gotta find me a snacksy bit.

Team:

Gobbos of ol'mighty Nurgle (a.k.a. GooN)

Role:

Goon

Race:

Troll

Ability:

• One shot bullet proof:
  Being strong has it's advantages. The first attempt to night kill you will fail, however being stupid makes you unaware of the attempt.
  
• Hungry:
  Every even night you may try to eat another player. You will succeed only if that player happens to be on the same position as you. Success means that player is killed.
  
• Communicating:
  You are allowed to communicate with your fellow scums (
  PeregrineV
  and
  Slandaar
  ) during the night phases and a during confirmations. You find the thread for said communication here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/tpRZCw9gg2p2s)
  
• Voting:
  You all know how this work.
  
• Nominate:
  You are not allowed to nominate (only the good guys may do that).

Position:

catcher

Win condition:

You win when GooN constitutes at least half the number of living players, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

[BBmolla]

We deserved this one and got right fucked up the ass.

I agree.

[BBmolla]

Glork I was One-Shot BP that's probably where your vig went.

Why I was One-Shot BP is beyond me.

[BBmolla]

Scum literally had the best case scenario happen to them besides getting lynched.

I think I was the only BP, we managed to get lucky with our extra kill n1, as well as getting lucky with our extra kill n2. Then I get vigged, but I'm the BP'd member so it doesn't go through.

[BBmolla]

I'm just saying we got unpredictably lucky.

[BBmolla]

And I was absolutely right to think BB was caring too much about my read on him.

That was part town gimmick, part me wondering how long before you realized I was scum.

[BBmolla]

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/tpRZCw9gg2p2s

Scum qt.

[BBmolla]

Oh yeah.

I think Glork and Majiffy were switched so we killed Majiffy n1 instead of Glork.

[BBmolla]

I don't know why my dead scumbuddies thought there was an SK

[BBmolla]

@Johoo:

Who reviewed this?

[BBmolla]

And how was I scum with BBMolla?

^This was the conclusion that made no sense.

Why the hell would Grey claim to save me.

[BBmolla]

Could we get a link to where this was run previously?

There's a difference between outguessing the mod and assuming the mod has created a balanced setup. You have to make assumptions when playing Mafia, like assuming the mod didn't make the setup 6 scum vs. 7 town.

[BBmolla]

This setup is unbalanced due to:
-2 bulletproof vests for scum
-Secret Millers rendering a "cop" useless
-2 possible night kills per night.