Open 381 - Day 4

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Been sick Ill put more thought into this tomorrow. for now
VOTE: Malee

@mod Im back. Feeeling about 100x better

[Elmo TeH AzN]

We're talking about policy lynchings in a game with a vig?

I do not approve.

Wheres there a vig?
UNVOTE: Malee
VOTE: Antihero

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Im blind. I thought it just said Jailkeeper. Well tells me what I notice.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

no no no no no no no

You don't get to walk away that easily.

If I did actually "slip up," then the implication would be that I'm the town vig. And you voted me anyway.

Oh please no. Just no.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

no no no no no no no

You don't get to walk away that easily.

If I did actually "slip up," then the implication would be that I'm the town vig. And you voted me anyway.

Oh please no. Just no.

Where does the vote come from?

The vote comes from my inability to not read. But please don't pull a Maruchan like in Open 373. Malee knows all about that.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

How about pizza?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I am still happy with my vote: Elmo, Malee and hokorippoi are the scummiest so far, Antoihero seems the towniest and everybody else reads a shade of null

Obv scum. Ill get you tomorrow
VOTE: Malee

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Malee-hoko connection established.

I want to someone to explain why we are lynching Malee (we are at L-2).

Elmo TeH AzN has still not said why he wanted to lynch the Vig.

Who claimed vig? And your next. If we don't lynch malee. Lynch this guy

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Um no. I didn't believe he was our vig. And didn't.
Hoko read your quote
VOTE: Hoko

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Really I didn't want another 373 when the vig was roleblocked and pitted day 1

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I even talked about this in post 40 a bit.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

What Tigers thing? It was lost in the crash if your wondering.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Malee will just be replaced. As for the other I'm down

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just keep discussing, and eventually the mafia will kill them off, or we'll eventually lynch them off. Their loss, not ours.

Seriously read this and tell me how it is town driven.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just keep discussing, and eventually the mafia will kill them off, or we'll eventually lynch them off. Their loss, not ours.

Seriously read this and tell me how it is town driven.

I meant it in the view that they'll be out of the game, and won't have a chance to play it out, whereas we will, no matter our alignment. We get to have a full fun game, while they are dead somewhere else.

The problem is even as Kondi said is they won't everyone knows this or at least I thought it was common knowledge. Face it if you're scum do you want active people or people who have no idea whats going on in the game? Ill let you sit and answer that.

I don't see how its town driven, or scum driven for that matter, but the post just strikes me as odd

Vote:mcqueen

You have to see it as something though to put a vote down on it...You must think its anti-town at the very least.

FuDzn, Elmo Have you ever played with mcqueen before? or read one of his games? This is important

Elmo has a point, but Im going to get him to answer these question before pursuing

I have and I've replaced into a game here he was scum dead. Really was a lame duck so I didn't read much. And I have played a couple games with him and TBH I can't remember his alignments.

Town

FuDuzn
Antihero
hiplop
Kamikrazy
kondi
Elmo
Kassadin
Pizzadudes
mcqueen
GuyNamedRiggs
hokorippoi

Scum

Why is Pizza so far down?

We need to be looking for the mafia Role cop. He is the one I want to lynch today.

@mod
My main laptop died, so I will be on less (reading once a day. Will try to post every 48 hours).

I like and dislike this post. Why wouldn't any mafia suffice for the kill? Why do you have to be specific for it? Even if the Role Cop gets a result it just proves they know 1 role and if they die the next day its no different.

Brizy can I see your case on hoko? His last post has me leaning more nullish on him.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Problem is though he can become a liability later in the game though as well

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Also, my comment on my vote on mcqueenI've played with mcqueen before and he's always hard to read. I didn't see his post as town, but not completly as scum, just something about it struck me as odd, so I voted him. I honestly don't know why I think it's bad, I just do.

Sadly I can agree with this. mcqueen is a person I have the hardest time reading overall. I can't tell what he is half the time. Its almost like Pizzadudes with me. But overall as it was pointed out hoko and saying we need to lynch the Role cop can be overeager town but I have a feeling that its not.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Mcqueen your not helping yourself here. Your flailing with little to no votes on you. Good play good sir. I get the reasoning but still

[Elmo TeH AzN]

That's a hammer vote I believe.

It was. I just got online to see this. Wonderful.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Ill be honest. I think McQueen was killed because hes Mcqueen. But thats me. Ill read thru this in a bit.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This game is still on my catch up but at the bottom of the list.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm actually going to agree with GNR here. I thought hoko was the backup. And was wrong. I don't think GNR would risk himself if he was maf
VOTE: Kass Don't like the somewhat rush for GNR

[Elmo TeH AzN]

VOTE: Elmo

vote:GNR

Anyone want to explain anything?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm actually going to agree with GNR here. I thought hoko was the backup. And was wrong. I don't think GNR would risk himself if he was maf
VOTE: Kass Don't like the somewhat rush for GNR

He might take a risk to save the mafia rolecop from being lynched on Day 1, also Kass is only he second vote on Riggs. I would hardly call that a rush.

Yeah I get that and what not. But its not just the rush of being the 2nd vote its also this post

10 people left. 2 mafia.

1 Mafia PR.

2 PR. 6 Town left.
I do suggest the Riggs lynch 2day for wat he did yesterday

I hope this clears something up.
But remember the Mafia have a PR as well now. Bolded what was missing.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Duzn I wasn't making it look like there was something missing there. It was just to show now we have all the information. And what I was mostly getting at is the 2nd line of that quote. But Unless Kondi was the vig (I don't believe this) I think mafia would have killed mcqueen just because.
Either way thinking about it.
VOTE: Kondi He did seem to not like Mcqueen if I remember.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Hey Elmo, I'm not retarded. Mcqueen would be the best person to keep alive as scum, and I wouldn't NK him "just cuz I don't like him."

True. I don't think there is anyone whos played with him that didn't know this.
UNVOTE: Kondi
Going back to my other read
VOTE: Kass

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Duzn I wasn't making it look like there was something missing there. It was just to show now we have all the information. And what I was mostly getting at is the 2nd line of that quote. But Unless Kondi was the vig (I don't believe this) I think mafia would have killed mcqueen just because.
Either way thinking about it.
VOTE: Kondi He did seem to not like Mcqueen if I remember.

What would not liking mcqueen have to do with your vote? If anything, it makes it seem like you are trying to get rid of the suppossed vig, which makes you scum

VOTE:Elmo

YAY IM BEING CALLED SCUM BY MR LURKY!!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Wow

[Elmo TeH AzN]

There was a newbie where you were the cop and made it quick.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So I'm at L-3 and it's pretty quick IMO.
I'm going to try and read this game and come up with something

[Elmo TeH AzN]

What? And not really.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I just read the past 2 pages. This is who I feel should die today
VOTE: GNR

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I have reasons. Ill get to them in a bit

[Elmo TeH AzN]

My apologies for my inactivity. I've been tremendously busy with real life, i'll try to remain active from here on out.

By my vote count, that puts GNR at L-1.

I highly advise you guys get off that wagon. He is DEFINITELY not the lynch for today. If you want to lynch him tomorrow, that's fine. But that's a terrible lynch for today.

I'm comfortable with an Elmo lynch at the moment. Of all the players on the wagon, he had the most incentive to hop on it to try to divert attention away from him.

Vote: ElmoTehAzn

First: Nice sheep and buddy of GNR
2nd: THERE ARE SPACES IN MY NAME. ITS NOT ALL TOGETHER
3rd: YOUR SCUM WITH GNR PROTECTING YOUR BUDDY!
4th: YES IM USING CAPS
5th: ALSO PHONE POSTING AND YOU NEED TO DIE NEXT SCUM!!!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

SERIOUSLY THERE'S A SPACE. ITS NOT HARD

[Elmo TeH AzN]

UNVOTE:

[Elmo TeH AzN]

your reaction to pressure isn't golden, ponyboy.

but you act as if there is DEFINITELY a vig, only way you could know this is if 1. You're the vig, 2. You're scum. #2 is actually quite likely, this is a scumslip.

lynch it with fire.

Please tell me this is a joke, we went through this before: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3915564

There is no way he's serious

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So here's a recap of what I know and what it seems.

Looking over mcqueens iso. It's semiobvious he's town. He didn't seem like he had any idea what he was doing for the most part. He really only makes 2 votes. One for Kondi and one for Hoko.

He is always seeming to defend himself against people attacking him. No one really stands out though about it

GNR - odd This post was just odd not out of place. He could have easily sheeped like Kondi but chose to not and give his reason as odd

Hiplop - what did you find odd about GNR? #14X

170 - "it just strikes me as odd I can't explain it."

Defense of hoko Granted he had me fooled asking for the role cop to be lynched but it just seems forced now. Like lynch him or else.

Riggs 219 - When you read it it's not too odd.

You also seemed to be a stout defender of Kondi when I put my vote down on him

Anti 244 - I wanted some reactions. Calling him mr lurky is me being a dick.

Pizza I was just shaking the tree seeing who would do what.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

It was post 147 I use X as a generic number because i didn't remember.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Im going to say this.
Active Lurking = Scum.

Can we lynch him now and save GNR for later?
You had an opportunity to come in here and be like "oh hi Im catching up on this game I didn't forget. But YOU DIDNT!" ALSO THERE ARE SPACES IN MY NAME!!!

VOTE: KAMIKRAZY

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

You quote me and don't even respond to my post.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Well either way theres what a Goon and a Jailkeeper now right?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@Elmo - Sorry for calling you an idiot.

No offence. But seriously lurking usally = scum.
I didn't see the crumb and when I did I thought nothing of it. But either way
UNVOTE: Kami
VOTE: Anti You know why.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@Elmo - Sorry for calling you an idiot.

No offence. But seriously lurking usally = scum.
I didn't see the crumb and when I did I thought nothing of it. But either way
UNVOTE: Kami
VOTE: Anti You know why.

Why?

Either Riggs and Kami are both scum, something that I would see as unlikely, or they're both town PRs. If they're both town, the chances are that there will either be 2 kills tonight, and/or one of them will be killed - either by scum or the real vigilante. I need to go back and relook at the hoko wagon but for now my vote remains on hiplop.

It wasn't at anyone but him. And Briz you should know as well as me now. That Scum have a Jailkeeper. Since GNR shot ours. Granted we lynched their PR we're back at Square 1. Odds are that one will be JK and the other will be killed.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

? Either way this games a mess right now and no one knows whats going on. Anti it was to get something out of it. See who would take a wagon with little to no reasoning and run with it.
VOTE: Kass
I wish others would get in here as well.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I just took a hard shot yesterday and today.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Hey guys! Look my wagon has conftown YAY!!!!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

UNVOTE: Kass I wanna see these notes

[Elmo TeH AzN]

My face -_____- can we lynch him

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Still waiting on Kondi...

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I posted my notes already, Elmo. ???

Ive had a rough day. Meaning yesterday
VOTE: Kass
And that was yesterday

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Oh Kass is at L-1 btw

[Elmo TeH AzN]

If hips town
GNR is town
Kami is town
Im town
Kass is town.

Anti/Kondi
Kondi/Pizza
Anti/Pizza
Pizza/Kondi

Are the only teams?
VOTE: Anti I like this.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

If hips town
GNR is town
Kami is town
Im town
Kass is town.

Anti/Kondi
Kondi/Pizza
Anti/Pizza
Pizza/Kondi

Are the only teams?
VOTE: Anti I like this.

No it isn't. You're missing 2 people. Funduz and Brz.
Why did you not include them in this?

I didn't do it purposely. I was going off what everyones said

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Ill read this up in a bit.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Also does anyone else notice how much defending Anti has done as of late?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Ill read this up in a bit.

Are you a slow reader, or have you just not actually read up on this thread?

When I said that I was getting at the fact of how people are grilling Antihero as of late. It has nothing to do with the whole thread.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

YAY PRODS!

SERIOUSLY!
VOTE: Pizza

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Actually I don't hate you.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

No it wasnt a serious vote.More of a pressure vote. Seeing what he would do. Which is nothing new from Pizza's standards.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

By my count Hips at L-2 Unless I can't count...
UNVOTE: Pizza

[Elmo TeH AzN]

VOTE:Pizzadudes7

Anything else?

Hey Pizza why aren't you voting or doing anything?

Hey GNR can you vote a wagon that has a plausible chance of happening in two days?

Kondi is town
Pizzas a VI Town.
GNR Is making me wonder what is going on

Screw it Hips at L-1 This games Stalled
VOTE: Hiplop

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So its Pizza then. I can tell you Im town. Even then do you think I would slip up on D1 thikning there was no vig?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I think it would be easy for you to bring that up now and call it a reason you are town.

But given when I did it I given a free pass as town? Why would I go after someone for a fake claim?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Wait, Elmo was speculating on why Mafia would kill mcqueen.

Yeah, it's hiplop and Pizza.

Indeed I did and GNR claimed the kill.

Pizza's done nothing so even then he would be a PL

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So we have 1 lynch till were at Lylo. Given the fact our vig doesn't shoot.

Also Im just going to put this out there since I was in a game with a vig & RB before. Why would scum allow GNR to shoot no matter if he claimed his target. How trust worthy do you think they are and he wouldn't go on his own agenda and shoot someone else.
Either way Imma like this vote
VOTE: Fuduzn

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So you are saying it was in fact Riggs who was roleblocked? OK that may be, but how does that lead you to a vote on me?

Also what would that matter?

If he said he was going to shoot Pizza, knowing Pizza was scum, they would jail Pizza.

And if they play it extra safe they would jail Riggs so both of the scum are safe. Either way scum knew they had to protect Pizza.

This is not true.
So Ill compromise if you want to lynch Pizza then

[Elmo TeH AzN]

We can argue about this all we want. Something similar happened in Open 373 lost in the crash.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Good, FuDuzn townslipped, which means he and

Anti are town

.

How?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Screw it
VOTE: Kass

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Hmm.

So far, this is what I have established:

1. Brizingre, Kassadin, and Elmo are town based on play.
2. Antihero and FuDuzn are the same alignment based on hoko slipping.

So, either one of my townreads is wrong, or the scumteam is Antihero/FuDuzn. Time to establish a read on them.

If you can't tell I've not been keeping up with this game...

Antihero
FuDuzn

brizingre1
Kassadin
kondi2424
Elmo TeH AzN

Pizzadudes7

Guy_Named_Riggs

This doesn't add up. There's then 1 scum. Not 2.
Ill support Pizza or Anti today thats all.
VOTE: Pizza

[Elmo TeH AzN]

THERE ARE NO _ IN MY NAME ITS NOT HARD

Blue is going off of Kondi's reads. He said you & Fu were the same allignment. Right? Right. Its going off of that.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

When I went back a page and looked at it. It doesn't add up if you think about it. So your saying Im scum with Pizza its funny. Im still not sold on you & Fu.


I started because its something to base off of.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Nah, I don't think you're scum with pizza.

What "doesn't add up"?

There are 2 scum left.

If pizza is one and Im not scum with Pizza whos the last one then?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Nah, I don't think you're scum with pizza.

What "doesn't add up"?

There are 2 scum left.

If pizza is one and Im not scum with Pizza whos the last one then?

No, no, no. Not playing this game with you, especially seeing that you haven't given pizza's "partner" yourself.

We'll get your partner soon enough.

Like hell. We're playing this game and that's how this is going.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Like hell. We're playing this game and that's how this is going.

You broached the topic, so you should tell us all who Pizza's "scumbuddy" is before demanding everyone else's read.

I'm not demanding anything. And I'm not asking for everyone elses read just yours.
And imma guess Kass

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Going to be a PL if you keep it up

[Elmo TeH AzN]

cool. Anti is scum trhough

Proof?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

What did you learn

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I was hoping somehting of the lines

"That was the dumbest thing Ive done in a while"

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Because you didn't learn a thing from it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

What is the point of this conversation?

Can you give me a reads list based on actual behavior? I will if you will.

Yeah it'll have to wait till later I'm working now

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Prod picked up.
Why isn't Pizza dead?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Anyone want to hammer this?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

La la la la la la.

Pizza Where Art Thou?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Kass PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF THIS GAME JUST HAMMER PIZZA!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Because town will lose and your bitter a little about jingle republic? I was hoping to die.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

What? I'm phone browsing

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yeah I'm out shopping as well. I'm not always looking.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Imma say on gut Fu and Anti.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

(needs it pointed out)
But even then

[Elmo TeH AzN]

But on tht other note it could be a clever gambit.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So your going on the gambit as well that I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A VIG AND WAS GOING TO 1v1 WITH GNR. But thats another story.

Fu - Compromise?
VOTE: Antihero

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Could have should have. But the game turned into a bad lurk fest