Newbie 1198: Mafia on Holiday (Game Over)

[ThursdayAngel]

Hi, Voided, welcome to the game.

Mod already knows that I'm currently away from home in another country, but now I'm formally declaring

V/LA

until the 17th.

I'm glad that my latest post was saved, I'm much obliged to nurc. I would not want to rewrite quite a lengthy post.

Anyway, I have nothing else to add as of yet on my case against Zen. It will probably take me a little while to get back into the spirit of the game, due to the V/LA. However, I do look at you (Voided/Brin) as null-town, currently. If Brin laid down that vote I would immediately have voted him, because the action would seem scummy.

[ThursdayAngel]

Was able to check the Internet today, but I highly doubt that my busy schedule will permit me to do so until the 17th. (

@Mod

: That V/LA was inclusive of March 17, so the earliest I can post will be March 18. Thank you.)

First I was like, "Wait a sec, didn't I get this game?" And then I realized I got 89 and 92, not 98. Silly me.

So, you're under fire because of the last statement against you, or you're under fire because you need to make a defense against the last statement? Just trying to understand that last line a little better.

A lot of the new players who were town didn't particularly act very town, which allowed thew scum team to.

However this is all currently baseless, though you can see it clearly. I still need to make a case contradicting TA to prove that I am town. Otherwise I am the next lynch.

I assume that the first sentence I quoted is to be correctly interpreted as "... which allowed the scum team to lynch them"? If this is not so, please correct me.

Anyway, yes, I still see you as the most scummy out of us all.

You sound rather...defeated. Like you're just putting up a rebuttal just to refute it rather than to try and keep yourself alive.

Voided, can you elaborate on this "rebuttal" vs "keeping alive" dichotomy? I'm afraid I do not understand the point you are trying to put forward, if there even is a point.

[ThursdayAngel]

So I'm back. V/LA over.

I'm going to rummage through the cache too, to find anything more about Voided's slot. I don't have anything *at this very moment*, though, sorry.

[ThursdayAngel]

You sure you don't have any questions for me at all yet? THis ain't the Zen and Angel show, after all, and I can't imagine that you don't have SOMETHING to ask me.

I can not ask you things that brinatoo has stated, I can not ask you things that askesis has stated. You are new, and therefore I have nothing on you. I am waiting for you to ask me questions.

@Voided: Definitely agree with this. That's why I said I want to dig up more info on "your slot" and not "you." Right now the only real questions we can ask are your reads on both of us, but that's still on its way.

As we wait for Zen's reply to my arguments, we should also wait for you/me to read/reread the cache (which is a little clunky to use in my opinion). The deadline has been restarted. Are you maybe trying to rush a mislynch, Voided?

[ThursdayAngel]

Alright, thank you.

Considering that making a pressure vote and stating it to be pressure defeats its purpose, TA just nullified his own vote (since point #2 in 126 was retracted by himself), so that puts some scumpoints on TA.

In my defense, at that point in time I was still getting into the hang of the mafia game, and this was how I understood votes worked.

[ThursdayAngel]

Granted. However, you still nullified your own argument, and pushing it as if it isn't nulled certainly isn't town.

And pressure votes are fine, but as I said, stating them to be pressure effectively nullifies any sort of gain you could get from them (not that you CAN'T, but I doubt you'd get anything), and usually then makes that vote worthless at best and somewhat scummy at worst, depending on context and stuff.

Yes, I got that. You will also see how some time in the later pages a similar scenario occurs: I reveal the intent behind my actions because people were suspected it to be scummy. However, such a revelation broke up any chance of my action actually accomplishing its purposes.

Anyway, I understand your point.

[ThursdayAngel]

Anything else my dear?

I have just scanned your rebuttal and will review it probably tomorrow (it's currently final exam week and I have one last final tomorrow.) But as of now I have no other argument against you, and as I said I am currently trying to review voided's slot.

And of course we will lynch. Anyone who opposes this at LyLo is bound to be scum.

[ThursdayAngel]

Reply to Zen. (Arguments not in order)

Argument 1:

Sorry if you feel bad about that. But the fact remains that you were on all the wagons, so if it's just a bad coincidence, I cannot do anything about it but suspect you.

Argument 3:

I used the word "confuse" because I meant "distracting." (And I put "trolling" in quotes because you weren't really doing so in the modern definition of the word.) It just seemed like you were making such a huge splash in the sea over a small issue, that from my point of view simply looked like trying to muddle with the flow of player's thoughts by creating a series of name-calling and useless argument posts.

Argument 2:

Your counterargument to this, however, has led me to think of you in a more town way. "The way I see it, is that ray was using me to get some town cred if I flipped town." -> This makes perfect sense, and you're not as scummy anymore in my book. And after giving it much thought, I now agree that it did seem like Ray was quite a great scum-player that he looked town all throughout the early stages, and so would naturally lead anyone to the same opinions you had of him.

====

Now I'm looking at Voided = scum. Based on the wagons, he was also on all the townlynches. He does not seem all that town either, because of his lack of content (not Voided's, but his slots').

I'm still trying to make a case, but I have some comments.

Zen, Post 835: "I am not sure if his confidence in saying I am scum to him saying "Good game Thursdayscum" is... well... adequate. It just strikes me as odd that he wants to vote me, but keeps pushing that you are scum too."
> I changed my mind about this behavior. I originally thought it was a town move to test the waters, but now I think this seemed suspicious. If he were unsure, he could just have said so. However, he repeatedly congratulated me for a "good scum game", but keeps saying I was town. This is a very confusing behavior. I cannot make sense of it

at all

, and it looks scummy.

[ThursdayAngel]

Looking at Askesis' slot, he wasn't exactly screaming scum, so I think I have to look at Brin again. (We have to go deeper!)

Askesis looked to me to have solid posting, but I am afraid of another Ray scenario: good posting non-bbvious scum.

Though, Zen does have a point about the post notifier. There's still benefit of the doubt for you, as you may have just pressed "end" constantly to get to the submit button or something (I've done that before when dealing with Fate-, kiwi-, or hindu-spam <_<), and I can accept that, but as I think you admit, it makes your explanation sound a lot less implausible.

Ah, this again. Yeah near the beginning I wasn't too familiar with the website, so stuff like that happened.

Also, I assume you mean Brin in regards to "lack of content", because through page 8, at least, askseis (sp) has a good amount of content.

Yes you're right I meant Brin.

Voided pretty much said it. The way I read it, he was more like "Thursday, I love you, I really fucking hate zen, and hes scum. however, if you are the scum, and hes town. Good Game! Vote zen dammit."

Thanks for your input. So apparently it was something of a grudge post.

[ThursdayAngel]

So I'm almost halfway through my review of the thread (and I've been reading in reverse, I don't know why.) I'm still on the way back to the Askesis posts, but I'm not there yet. I'm still at page 22 going back to 1.

All I can really say about Brinatoo is that he has contributed virtually nothing at all. What I can say is that even if he had a spat with Zen, it isn't reason enough for him to suddenly disappear off-grid and lurk. He can very well converse with the other players, and ignore Zen's general belligerence. Scummy points to Brinatoo.

Zen, Post 640, about No Lynch: Zen asks about the theory behind a no lynch, and says that it's good for town because it's 1 less town that died. BB counters by saying that it's bad for town because scum gets to pick two kills. Does this indicate that Zen wanted a no-lynch? I think Zen's post had a more town intent to it, rather than a sneaky suggestion to no lynch. There seemed to be a genuine "what is best for town" inquiry. I think this gives a few townie points to Zen.

Zen, Post 535: He warns us about voting against Rubicon. Rubicon turned up town. I'm doubting this was a reverse bus (am I using the term correct? I meant that this probably wasn't Zen trying to accrue townie points by trying to prevent a town lynch.) The reason why I feel this is so is that Zen, in a later post, also does the same to Pizza (tells us that Pizza might be town), but also changes his mind even later and says that lynching Pizza who is most likely town will give more info for town. I think what I just said in this paragraph might be a little confusing, but essentially what I'm saying is that Zen seemed to have the best interests for town in mind, in his posts.

Conclusion to the last two paragraphs: Overall, if one takes time to read them, Zen's predictions and arguments seem to be based on a town sentiment. It is unfortunate that Zen still has some scummy traits (argument 1 and 3, as outlined in my attacking post in this day; only argument 2 was rebutted well to turn that point to a Zen=town sentiment), so Zen is definitely not on either extreme of his scum-o-meter.

Voided, I don't have much to ask you since you just replaced in, but please keep posting as you read through the thread. I do feel that your slot is the scummier of the two now though.

[ThursdayAngel]

But srs guys, cmon. I know it's LyLo, you both are getting exhausted after the crash, but staying away from the game won't make it end any sooner, so let's go.

Sorry about that. I totally forgot about the game.

Do you have any more questions for me though?

[ThursdayAngel]

Also, goddammit, Brin. -_-

Elaborate on this?

[ThursdayAngel]

Also, goddammit, Brin. -_-

Elaborate on this?

Im getting scum reads.

I felt the same way. The instant I saw it, I got instant warning exclamation points in my head. Looks like scum trying to subtly sneak in some damage control, to me at least.

However, I don't know what it feels like to replace into someone. His original quote seemed scummy, but I don't know how to read his

reply

.

[ThursdayAngel]

Also, Voided is giving mixed signals. He has dropped some scummy comments, some null reads. But his diligence to read and analyze gives him a lot of town points. Oppose this to Zen who has been prodded in this day, and I cannot help but ask whether Zen is scum who has already seen the game decided and stacked against Void, and therefore is just laying back.

[ThursdayAngel]

It is time for us to lay down the votes, and start putting our current cases together and get this over before deadline next week.

Yes it is, but unfortunately I'm a bit reluctant to start voting until Voided has caught up with reading up to the latest posts.

[ThursdayAngel]

and to further assess my current lurking, I've been sitting and waiting for voided to actually do something, and still hasn't. All he is doing is pretty much reading post by post and just really agreeing with everything. So far he is leaning me as Town and you as scum. Which, is in contrast to what you believe. So far voided is agreeing with you that I am town, and is tagging you more scum as you tag voided scum.

I hope I explained that coherently enough.

It is time for us to lay down the votes, and start putting our current cases together and get this over before deadline next week.

Come to think of it, if you *were* scum, isn't this the best time for the players to drop down votes? Especially since, in your own words, Voided is leaning with you as Town and me as Scum. I'm sure you said in an earlier post that by now we should probably be voting, but it does look somewhat scummy you know, trying to capitalize on the current readings situation. (And Voided hasn't been just agreeing with everything; he has been questioning some points, blurted out some exclamations, etc. Which can be useful info.)

However, Voided, I do request that you read up more quickly, if possible? I don't think it's fair to start voting when you only know half the story.

[ThursdayAngel]

(okay I immediately pressed send on my post above without finishing typing my thoughts, here's an edit)

I don't think it's fair to start voting when you only know half the story, but the deadline is really close.

[ThursdayAngel]

If I *were* scum, best time to vote would have been before the crash, or even then, at the start of the recovered game. The latter would be better for scum because motivation is down and the thoughts of people would be (including me) like "Oh, man this game, pfft whaqtever /vote". If I *were* scum, I would have voted already. Everyone is on the defense right now, brin was on the offense at the start of this day.

But you know, do what you want, flop all you wish, I'm hunting scum.

I don't consider this to be flopping. I'm trying to generate more new data for a well-informed vote.

About that whole best-time-to-vote thing, you've given me something to think about.
> Brin's offensive style at the start of the day can be understood as scummy if we were to accept the premise that scum's best interest is to vote asap. What have you to say to that, Voided?
> However, it is also possible that since this is the most likely and most predictable (logical?) course of action that scum will take, then a better scum player would choose to use the next best time to force a vote. It will be difficult to read, but I will try to see if Zen's playstyle will fit into such a scenario.

[ThursdayAngel]

TA: Did you miss where I said I finished reading?

Yes, yes, I did. Sorry. I think the sentence construction was odd enough to make me think that you were saying that you didn't vote because you haven't caught up yet. Apologies.

Anyway it's been a long day for me, I have to head to bed now. I'll make some replies soon.

[ThursdayAngel]

Oh, forgot about this.

> Brin's offensive style at the start of the day can be understood as scummy if we were to accept the premise that scum's best interest is to vote asap. What have you to say to that, Voided?

Actually, it isn't in their best interest to do that, imo. If another vote is already placed, then yes it is for the quickhammer and win, but if there's no votes to quickhammer off of, they're still in danger.

I think I clarified my wording in posts later than the one you quoted. Anyway what I meant was not to "vote" asap, but to "start the voting" asap, so that (if he were scum) he could quickhammer.

[ThursdayAngel]

Ah, okay. Yes, that's very true. Though, that seems to be a null tell here since, as far as I can tell, none of us overly pushed for voting early on, and it's only happening now because the deadline is so close. If you think you can make something of it, more power to you, but I really don't see much use in trying to apply that.

I agree, I agree. I'm actually having difficulty to make the final decision on my vote, but I'm on my way there.

[ThursdayAngel]

Zen sees me scummier than you.

I see you scummier than Zen by PoE.

You see me scummier than Zen, last I checked. Shouldn't be that hard a choice -_-.

Yeah, it's not *that* hard a choice. I just wanted to see if all the bases are covered.

[ThursdayAngel]

Don't worry, I'm writing up my final cases and I'll drop my vote when I post them very soon.

[ThursdayAngel]

Time for me to lay down the first vote!

Zenatsu has lots of perceived town intent in his posts. He has very well-reasoned, logical and thought-out content that generally favors scumhunting. He had a generally suspicious-of-others playstyle, which I think might be hard to fake if he were scum, because it looks to me like scum is generally more manipulative than wary.

The whole Askesis-Zenatsu fight in the early game led me to think both were scummy. Askesis had a similar style to Zenatsu: aggressive, interrogating. Zenatsu seemed to not yet have a good grasp of the game in the beginning, hence Askesis pushing him. Zenatsu being too defensive against his meta looked scummy, as hiding information (except for roles) is most likely anti-town. However Askesis was too tunnel-visioned and obsessed with shallow matters to seem legitimately town.

Zenatsu has attacked my position several times, and even if sometimes I don't agree with him (like how valuable this and that is), he has frequently stated info and logical conclusions that made him look like town. And he has done this again and again and again. Askesis also looks like he has some town intent, but not as much as Zen (this could possibly be because Askesis wasn't as active?). Actually Zen and Askesis are close (on the scum-o-meter I suppose) but Zen is slightly more town than Askesis. I don't particularly like either, but one is slightly better than the other.

Now let's go to Brinatoo. Comparing Zen and Brinatoo, we see that both were on townlynches, so it's probably not a very good balance scale. Brin entered the game a bit timidly. He posted a few bits, always promising content, but rarely delivering quickly and with much content. I don't know how he is in other games, but this game he didn't do very well in the posting department. The whole Zen-Brin fight was a wasteful set of posts that provided no insight at all. In the meantime, Zen was trying to force info (which is pro-town) but Brin later just walled himself up and stopped contributing entirely. Brin said he is frustrated when people say he lacked content (post 544); he said that content is having opinions at the very least. I'm not buying this very well; it's like a less obvious lurking.

Now we go to Voided. Voided seems to be a much better player imo. I think he replaced into a very bad slot, and is trying to do his best with damage control. However, some of his one-liners are very suspect. (Goddammit, Brin!) There's not much to go on Day 4, but Zen is giving a townread on this day (due to his good, logical rebuttal to me) and Voided a very slight scumread.

Funny, Brin also mentioned in post 491: "This is looking so much like my last game." Reminded me of Voided. I don't know what to make of that. Is scum more memorable than town?

Anyway, I'm putting down the first vote now. VOTE: VoidedMafia.

[ThursdayAngel]

*much better player*

Well, I suppose over Brin, but, eh...

He does have a point, though: Having opinions IS content. It's not necessarily GOOD content, yes, but it's still content. I think he also walled up because he might've been thinking that since Zen wasn't even trying to take him seriously he just wasn't going to try, or something like that. It did look like he was going to come back at beginning of D4, but then he flaked after the restart, so who knows what would've happened.

Re 491: Depends on how good or bad the games were. Though, those games I mentioned are pretty much the only Newbie games whose numbers I directly remember (except my completed Newbie I modded and the one i'm doing now, 1194 (lost in the crash) and 1222 (post-crash)). THe rest are non-newbies, though, so I guess that's easier.

re slight scumread: Is is just a culmination of one-liners, or what? Also, Zen never did say how exactly that was in any way subtle.

Yes, I meant over Brin. At least in this game, I suppose.

You have a point, but I think the walling is anti-town. Zen wasn't the only player in the game.

Yeah that's more or less it. You were bordering null today, and it's to be expected given the short time you have been in the game. But that exclamation was suspicious, it seemed like you were trying to give the effect of "Brin why'd you have to destroy a town slot" because that was my first, unconscious reaction to that line. But after rereading it, I realized that that could have been your intended effect. (You were saying before that it's better than "I HATE MY PREDECESSOR", but just because it's better doesn't mean there's nothing to be said about it.)

Anyway, my vote is not just based on your slot, it of course also includes the previous slots. Actually, their slots have more weight in my vote than your slot is, especially since I haven't been able to glean any new reads from either of you today.

[ThursdayAngel]

Well, nevermind the fact that I think he did according the PM I got, but the point was that Brin didn't do himself any favors with his opening posts, and I quite bluntly stated as such. Yes, it's not as blatant as yelling "I HATE MY PREDECESSOR!" (though that's certainly implied) and obviously a bit more subtle than the latter, but to say that that was in any way a subtle attempt at damage control period feels way too much like mudslinging and misrepping. If I or anyone else wanted to go for subtle damage control, I would probably word my post a lot more tactfully and at least make the hate not be as evident.

That 2nd sentence confuses me a little, though.

I agree, it could have been a misrep. That's why I'm not saying that it was a giant red flag that definitively points to you being scum. It's just a small thing, and if anything, had very little effect on my vote. This means that taking that whole thing away, I would still have voted you.

Ah, sorry, I should have worded it better. I meant that Askesis' and Brin's gameplay had more weight in my vote than your play today, since I virtually have null reads from both you and Zen today.

[ThursdayAngel]

Sorry, I stepped out.

...Well, fine, I'll just say it anyways.

I HATE MY PREDECESSORS!!

...Actually, that felt pretty good. Who knew?

Though, out of curiousity, let's say I replaced Zen instead of Brin. Assuming my play, reads and posts up to this point were generally the same, and I had still made that comment (though obviously it wouldn't be about something at the beginning since you two are the only two left from the original start), what would you think about me then?

I would probably think the same way. I entered D4 with a very suspicious attitude towards both of you; actually I leaned more to Zenscum than Brinscum at first.

Actually, I just figured something. Vote zen for now. You can change it later after the VC reflects the vote (though I'd prefer not right after, of course), but I'd just like you to vote Zen for the night.

"But VM, why are you suddenly asking him to change his vote now, of all times? You look so scummy right now!" Yes, yes, I know, I know. But really, assuming Zen stays on for most of today, this game will be over by then, and if TA is town and wants to win, this is his chance.

Besides, if you ARE scum, TA, you can just quickhammer after Zen votes me, so it shoulnd't be any loss to you either way.

I will not be changing it to Zen "for now." Why? Because right now I think you're scummier than him, and I'm risking a scum quickhammer by changing it to him.

But *if* you are town, it wouldn't hurt to unvote you. I'm still eyeing you, but I don't know what your plan is, so UNVOTE: VoidedMafia.

[ThursdayAngel]

So I'm assuming that this plan of yours necessitates you not telling us any details, and requires a leap of faith towards Voided=town. Correct?

Also, it actually requires a vote on Zen to work, correct?

[ThursdayAngel]

Hm. This is quite a complicated scenario. I think I will try and trust you. Know that the only reason for this is that Zen-Askesis and Zen-Voided aren't really polarized in my opinion (meaning, one doesn't scream scum while the other screams town.) Maybe it's just me lacking the skill for really good reads, but basically those two pairings are very close on the "scum-o-meter." Also, I do see your point behind Brin simply being intimidated by an overly aggressive player, so I cannot dismiss the possibility of Voidedtown easily. Basically what I'm saying is I don't have an overwhelming amount of evidence to believe in Zentown either.

In this case, I will trust you and VOTE: Zenatsu.

[ThursdayAngel]

UNVOTE: Zenatsu

Totally confused now.

[ThursdayAngel]

VOTE: VoidedMafia.

[ThursdayAngel]

It's over. Sorry Zen, it was all a ruse.

[ThursdayAngel]

Ah, is that an idiom? I don't really understand what it means /sweatdrop

[ThursdayAngel]

I see...

Well, I really enjoyed this game guys. I guess we just have to wait for mod confirmation.

It was really scary to be scum in my first forum mafia. But I really had fun, even though it was a bit stressful.

[ThursdayAngel]

anywho, explainin' time.

HOKAY, EXPLAININ' TIME! (here's hoping I don't trip over myself)

See, if I was really scum, naturally I would've voted to end the game right then and there because there's no point in dragging the game on any longer than necessary as scum as it increases your risk of being caught in something and thus lynched. Thus, NOT doing so practically confirms that person as town. (I'm aware that there may be games in the past where scum have not quickhammered immediately and have won, but I think that's the exception rather than the norm and doesn't take away from the strength of the tell).

I originally "learned" of the tell here in Newbie 1159, my 2nd scumgame on this site (and 3rd game I'd ever played). I say that in quotes because at the time I didn't know about the tell nor that it was even being applied (and admittedly yabbaguy was seen as town enough already that it may not have been needed), but all the same it did pretty much make him the last conftown in the game

The second place I had it used (where I actually learned what the tell was and thus realized that I had used it before in 1159) was in Double Vote Mafia, which I also replaced into and was scum. Unfortunately, the unveiling of the tell is lost to the data of the restart (though I could probably find the pages if I cared to search for them), but I was berated heavily for saying that I still suspected Christine (one of the townies) after Nobody Special and I cross-voted and she didn't immediately quickhammer either of us to end the game. Basically, the lack of the quckhammer made her conftown.

Like I said, scum COULD pull this ruse to WIFOM the last two town, but unless you're REALLY good scum (or just want to be a dick, which I wouldn't do ever unless I really hated one of you two for some reason) I fail to see why it'd be better than quickhammering and ending the game. Hence why it makes the person effectively conftown.

I actually agree with this. I was just too lazy to express my surprise at Voided pulling such a stunt. Also, even supposing I were town and Voided was the scum, I didn't think Voided was the type who wanted an utterly perfect victory.

[ThursdayAngel]

Voided, I just have to know... who were you going to vote, and why?

[ThursdayAngel]

You don't know that...:p I've had a perfect scumgame once in a newbie and I'd love to make it two. (still looking for the perfect towngame, though).

You sly sunuva...

As for me pulling such a stunt, it was largely desperation more than anything. What I said about not caring about me looking any better was true, so I was focusing on how I and the last town could win this game rather than how I was going to keep you two from voting me.

It did look that way to me, and I was scared that such an attitude would be understood as town. (Because such a risk can not be considered null; it's either blatantly scum or desperate town.) So I put my hopes that I could use it to my advantage.

All in all, though, good scumgame, TA. Just be lucky I didn't vote you in the end, eh?

P-EDIT: You via PoE.

Thank you. But to be fair, I actually think most of the credit goes to RayFrost. He's a good scum teammate, he gave good advice in the QT, and I was very pleased with the quality of his interaction towards me in-game.

[ThursdayAngel]

Like I said throughout my reread, Zen had been making townier posts and less scummier posts than you even though both of you were doing that, so my vote would've fallen on you today when I had the time to think.

I was scared of that! To tell the truth, early game I had no idea what was going on and what was happening!

Though, I will admit that I was completely terrified that I was throwing in a huge load of confirmation bias toward Zen throughout this, which was threatening to prevent me from voting at ALL. I think, at the end, I could've gone through with the vote, but I guess we'll never know.

I guess we'll never know

[ThursdayAngel]

Yeah, he is good scum. Incidentally, he was my teammate in that perfect win (though we'll both tell you I didn't exactly enjoy that game; fuckin' town quickhammers <_<).

*the more you know...!*

THough, at the end of things, I'm still not sure if I should've posted that explanation before I went to bed. While I suppose it could've avoided what just happened, I didn't want to clue either of you in to what was going on any more than necessary in case either of you did catch what was going on and were scum. Unnecessary caution, perhaps, but eh...

P-EDIT: Well, aren't you a lucky chap, then?

I've got a few "awards" in my head actually.
Best player: RayFrost (wish you were here, good buddy!)
Most engaging player: Zenatsu (I really enjoyed your banter, my good man.)
Most unfair death: Pizzadudes (the poor guy, he did nothing wrong!)

I don't think your explanation changed things, actually.

Okay, somebody has to explain to me what P-EDIT means! (Quite embarrassing to have to ask such a question at endgame.)

[ThursdayAngel]

To be fair, had I lived I would have lynched you too just because Brinatoo looked like Ray's partner.

*shrug*

Good try though.

TA played really well.

Thanks for the compliments, BB! But I attribute it to 1/3 RayFrost, 1/3 me, and 1/3 sheer luck

Btw BB, I asked you an off-topic question in a very early page in the game. Do you have a Youtube account where you sang some barbershop music about mafia? If so, that was totally rad!

At least I lived to the last day.


first game on mafia scum

i still played like ass Q.Q

Ass? Maybe you did, but I felt that you played exceptionally well. Kudos, Zen!

Also, totally predicted TA would quickhammer after Zen. Totally

Ahahaha! I didn't have the confidence to try and pull off a delayed win

[ThursdayAngel]

Oh man, this is embarrassing I'm reading the graveyard quicktopic now, and people *did* notice that I had no idea what was happening in D1

[ThursdayAngel]

Triple posting time!

I hope Ray drops by the thread. I need to fistbump the guy.

Much obliged to

Equinox

, thanks a lot for moderating. I really enjoyed the flavor text. You rock!

Zen, that whole drama about scaring me out of mafia was just an act. I actually really enjoyed the game, and I really want to try playing as town now ;D
However, you guys might not see me playing again for quite a while; I'm going to spend April and May finishing up my thesis. Ah, such is real life!

[ThursdayAngel]

Btw BB, I asked you an off-topic question in a very early page in the game. Do you have a Youtube account where you sang some barbershop music about mafia? If so, that was totally rad!

Yes that's me.

Is there any chance we could see the Mafia quicktopic?

And I just realized your avatar totally looks like you. Hahahaha, it's a bit surreal

Here you go: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ydt7YmFeSHN
Don't think there's anything special in this QT though.

[ThursdayAngel]

Thanks Rubicon. I still probably need to up my skill level, though I'm not the best with logic.

@BB: What is this "amished tell" you mentioned in the graveyard QT?