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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:03 am

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This is back up, great...

Just wanted to say I am still /in...

Don't know what else to say... It's so long ago, I hardly even remember half the players in the list :( I vaguely remember the Fennin waggon being a load of bullcrap though.

I guess the old posts won't ever come back into existence outside of that zip? I guess I'll need to reread that again then :\

I also think I voted Slandaar for some really ugly attack he made against... Was it Malee? I really need to reread. But for now

vote Slan


Just to have some counterballance to that Fennin bogus.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:05 am

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Hey, I have scum day? I have scum day!!!! I therfore officially survived two years of mindless lynchmobs! YAY!
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Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:26 am

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@Iec: So the point about Iecerint's post restriction is that it is a complete ability wit flavour and all, not something some one else imposed on you, yet you got it with a PM separate from your role PM and no further explanation as to whether it is part of your role or not?

And the mod, although one would have expect him to have put some thought into his post restriction inforcement policy, if he decided to put PRs into this game, is unsure about how to handle recurring nonobservance of his PRs... Well... At least we can kind of investigate on the latter:

@DN: What is your official policy regarding the enforcement of post restrictions?


MagnaofIllusion wrote:Then vote WrathChild and get a wagon started. I know he’s active on site. He needs some love in the form of votes.


Then at least give me something to sheep on. I don't know what the wrath vote/waggon is supposed to be about and I haven't got the time to reread right now :(
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Post Post #18 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:33 am

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Actually Nero Cain looks pretty bad for going "random voting" against Iec.

unvote. vote Nero
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Post Post #36 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:51 am

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PeregrineV wrote:Wow, a double RVS. Who'd a thunk it?

Vote: Shadow


Is this you being to scummy to be scum?
Or this scum you trying way too hard to appear too scummy to be scum?
Seriously, Nero "random" votes Iec, I point out that it is totally inapproriate and what's the next thing you do? "Random" vote me. This chain of events is so "facepalm", you better have a good explanation in your next post.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:55 am

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Wrath's #21 is.... Nopt sure what it is, but it definitely lacks something: Any analysis of the so diligently documented events...

@Iec: Oh, I misread that part about DN not resending you the PM... I get it now. Have you received any additional post restrictions or other punishment by Dn yet?
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Post Post #39 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:15 am

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Nero Cain wrote:So you think I'm scum b/c I couldn't really remember anything from the old game? Is there a reason you keep chainsawing?

Nero Cain wrote:What does Iecprint think about Shadow attacking your attacker?


So you are pressing hard the notion that I am not in fact calling you out on some suspicious behaviour but that I am in fact chainsawing Iec (and keep suggests that I was chainsawing before too, which implies Slan was chainsawed by me, probably against Fennin [this seems to be magna's interpretation at least as it seems]?).

I am pretty sure that
1. my defense of Fennin was far less subtle, i. e. pretty straight outright, and based on the fact that there is simply no well-justified reason to suspect Fennin over lots of others at the moment and that the reason so many people call him scum for (i.e. the breadcrumb issue) is min-boggling bogus.
2. My vote on Slan was based on something that he said about malee, not Fennin (though if he jumped on that waggon that would not exactly help his case I guess.... DOn't ask me for details now, I have to reread that part myself :\
3. And this is the important part: I was clearly attacking you based on your "justification" (the blatantly non-existent one) for that vote and not at all on whom you voted (which according to yourself is a totally negligible aspect of your vote in the frst place...) and there's nothing that could seriously give you the idea that it is a chainsaw unless you consider every constellation of "person A votes person B for not liking his vote on person C" which will happen over a hundred times during an average game of mafia and is not a cainsaw in an estimated 99% of those cases.
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Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:10 am

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And the very moment magna accuses you of lurking you magically appear and start throwing weak accusations left and right, Slan? Do you really want us to believe that you did not know about this gmae?

@every one: who else got a prod PM from DN when the game was back on?
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Post Post #117 (isolation #8) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:14 am

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Hmmm... I read till Magna's #77 so far and possibly realized something. So before I go into further in depth analysis of the Slan case I'd like to have a theory cleared up that just appeared on my attention:

@DN: Can you please openly confirm to us whether you prodded every one or just the people that did not show up in the signup thread?
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Post Post #119 (isolation #9) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:43 am

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OK, having read it all there's nothing more to add for now...

Just to every one not in {Iec, Slan, myself}: In case DN does not answer, please state whether you received a prod when this thread came back online.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:52 pm

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Generic prod dodge...

Seriously. I have no time today.

But I'll have the more time tomorrow. That means I may finally come to reread the cached stuff. I'l definitely do an up to date review of the Slan case.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:13 am

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Foxace36 wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and "Chainsaw" here (I think that's what it's called) and VOTE: MaguaofIllusion.


OK, you are an absolute newb, so I'll give you a free pass for this. This is not what chainsaw means, nor what you should do as town anyway. Please do not try to "act pro" by throwing some lingo around, just be honest and patient and you'll learn the important things eventually. Being inexperienced is not a shame, but acting like a jerk in a futile attempt to appear expert is.

And please, refrain from quoting other people'w walls in full length. You can reference them with a link and metaphrase important parts you want to comment on, but most people don't like to read those kind of posts and will loathe any one who forces them to wallow through them twice. The more your posts stand and are comprehensible for themselves the better.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:26 pm

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Meh... Things got stretched out a bit for, me it's late now, I am tired and got somewhat of a headache... Looks I won't manage to do the extensive posting I want to do before the weekend after all... I just hope some of the lurkers/replacements have joined by then.

Foxace36 wrote:Maybe, after that huge fail, I'm pretty dam unmotivated. Might be a while.
Hmm, how do I link things to a specific post?


Don't feel low. Just don't try to pretend to be some one you aren't or know something you don't... If it cheers you up: Honestly trying newbies are among my favourite players to play with. They are generally easy to read and being inexperienced does in no way suggest being incapable in any way. This thread needs quality posters more than anything right now.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:32 pm

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Magna, could you please manage to just ignore Slan for some time. It's going nowhere where it has not been already...

Slan, if you have a case on Wrath, present it, hand out a FoS, pretend he's my scum buddy or whatever you like. But if you are just trolling I'll not even care for your alignment any more and lynch you no matter what...
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Post Post #292 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:13 am

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Woohoo!!! Am I dreaming or is it actually true and this game is finally back back on again. (Sorry, I did not check over the weekend and only just realized that this is running again).

So... yeah... Expect content tomorrow.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #15) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:38 am

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First of: Welcome to all those new players, most of which I do not know and will henceforth have a hell of a time figuring out which slots and reads to apply to them... Thanlks that you were willing to replace in anyway.
And thanks to DeathNote for doing everything to keep this game alive.
I hope things will stabilize now.


Slandaar wrote:You are accusing me of avoiding a thread. What proof is there that I didnt know thread existed? none.
SD/Anrius know of thread but just dont post

which is scummier?

Magna is scum its a contradiction in logic.


It'll be a shitload of work to point out all the clumsy mud slinging slan has attempted to do on those suspecting him over the last few pages...

About the other point: How is you posting in the re-signup thread not indicative of you being aware that the game was going on? Explain that to me.
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Post Post #307 (isolation #16) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:52 am

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...Catching up...

Kdub wrote:[...]And yes, that is a serious vote, not just to make a point. It appears from the first post that Fennin has been replaced, which is unfortunate. As I said earlier, that slot (BBmolla now) is still on my suspect list for future days, but I realize now we're not going to get any good explanation for Fennin's earlier play to get a wagon going on him today.[...]


Not entirely sure what you want to say with thism, but it reads a lot like this:
You cannot run a pressure waggon any more, a waggon on him would neccessarily be a potential lynch waggon and hence require solid reasoning to justify it - and that's why you back off it?
Or are you suggesting that replced slots are out of consideration for lynches? Given that like half the game has been replaced that's a luxury we cannot really affort.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #17) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:59 am

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PeregrineV wrote:[...]Went back and looked. WrathChild is 2nd tier right now.
Unvote.
Vote: Fennin


I don't like people just throwing names around... Doesn't offer much of a read and looks a lot like alibi posting (Hey, look, I don't explain them but I
have
reads!)

I think I can agree on a
FoS Per
by now. I find his posting irritatingly non-yielding for quite a while now... (not that I could remember a lot of what he's posted, but that alone is pretty telling I guess)
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Post Post #309 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:26 am

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PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.


And what exactly do you expect?! A full claim? Stop the role fishing.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:32 am

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PeregrineV wrote:@MoI- http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yq9rosqj023zbcq

Anything more than that and you'll have to wait until I can open 4 browsers at once. Otherwise, you can go and see me and WrathChild sniping at each other, and my Midnight diagnosis.


??! What would you need 4 browsers for?! Actually... What?! The?! Heck?!?! are you even talking about?!
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Post Post #311 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:39 am

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Iecerint wrote:[...]I do not have 4 salient scumreads. I'm even ambivalent about WrathChild tbh, but I'm content to sheep Ooba.


To be honest I would be a lot relieved if at some point in time DeathNote would actually do something that would confirm that Iec does actually have that stupid post restriction...

And why is it always Iec who gets a role that is either absolutely IMBA or totally weirdo or even both in games we play together?
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Post Post #337 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:08 pm

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Slandaar wrote:Some people seem a little confused.

I am town.

Also I actually am feeling Andrius scum now too

That Huge wall he just wrote said NOTHING.

"Oh, fuck it, I am so alone in calling Shadow and Magna scum, so let's whine a bit more and try to change direction, Andrius just posted 'nothing'!!!" Sounds a lot like your vote on malee and I have to ask you the same here: Define "nothing", are you just unable to comprehend people talking to you or are you willingly overlooking that he definitely gave reads and explanations, which is definitely more than what you are doing? And also (again): Did he do something that was actually <i>scummy</i> in your eyes or is this just another empty accusation?
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Post Post #339 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:16 pm

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And for some reason I seem to be not voting... And why isn't there a big fat lynch waggon on slandaar yet?

vote Slan


Magna made a lot of a very sheepable case against him already, even more than I would ever care to make normally. But I might get nitpicky and point out some more things when I have time if this waggon isn't getting momentum still.
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Post Post #356 (isolation #23) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:47 am

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Ah... Ok I get it now... I am scum... And Magna is scum...
And hence we need to blaster focus Sleepy... And Per... And Elmo... and...

...er...

No, I actually do not get it, Slan.

Also: Please do not ignore me and answer my query about your Andrius suspicion: How is his wall post "nothing"?

@4nx: I guess that vote's for my "tone" then? Could you elaborate on that?
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Post Post #374 (isolation #24) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:04 am

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Slandaar wrote:@SD: I am not going to be editing that Andrius wall its a mess, it could be editied to 1/4 the size easily though. You need to actually give reasons for voting me aswell


How is bad formatting scummy?

I gave reasons, Magna gave more than enough reasons that I support as well. Do not try to pretend it's not there.

Then the three of you can tell me why you are not voting PV

Also there's another question that you adamantly seem to pretend to either not see or not comprehend: You haven't give any reson for all of a sudden considering Per and at least two other people more scummy than me, your very recent "top and undoubtful" scumread.

And why do you need justification for
not voting
some one? Especially when I already said that I consider Per very scummy and an agreable lynch? - Oh, right, I am voting
you
right now and you need the deflection.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:09 am

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@Kdub: With "agressive" you mean insistent, right? Because else I must have missed something.

@4nx: I was just asking because you did not mention me outside of that little "tone" comment, and everything you say has been very vague so far. Expressions like "tone" and "vibes" do not do terribly much to explain your reads.
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Post Post #402 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:06 pm

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PeregrineV wrote:Shadow will be dancing on your ass for this. Stop the rolefishing!

Stop using me as ahield. Or I am gonna be dancing on
your
ass. This is pure meta-role-information and not role fishing at all. No reason not to just answer it.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #27) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:07 pm

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PeregrineV wrote:1. Chrome to go to the website.
2. Unzip software (technically a window, but meh)
3. IE window because I can't get the archive to open/work in Chrome
4. Chrome for the current game thread.


I still don't get how using a browser is such a problem for you that you would use it as an excuse for anything...
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Post Post #404 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:14 pm

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Also the point about how joda would only be crumbed by scum is just bad, pure consipracy theory, seeing things that aren't there. Seriously, stop kicking the cat, it's dead and stinking.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #29) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:25 am

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BB, you are a jerk. Please tell me this is just a fail gambit and you suck... You claim because some scummy derp has nothing better to do than keep insisting on that crumb thingy?

Please make a good flavour claim now so people believe you and this whole affair is at least doing some good... If there's ever a reason for people to lynch you I don't want it to be this.

And I hope certain others finally realize where all this pointing out crumbs and rolefishing brings them.

Seriously, this just plain sucks, nothing pro-town about it, from neither one involved.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #30) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:39 am

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PeregrineV wrote:@Shadow-I did. And you attacking one player for something but not attacking when another player does it is still scummy.

First of: Scummy is not
what
some one does but the
motivation
behind it and
how
they do it. It seems somehow en vogue in current site meta (or at least among way too many players) to get confused about that, but that's why so much outrageous stuff happens in games and why it's so absolutely boring and unchalenging to play scum right now (p.e. Driving Mafia).

I already pointed out that Magna's question was not rolefishing, it was a question that was clearly aimed at getting confirmable information, but would have not revealed any useful information to scum. This is in harsh contrast to what you have been doing very recently and successfully and you better answer Magna's question and some others to convince us that what you are doing has any merits.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #31) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:51 am

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Yeah, I saw it in the meantime.

And my opinion is that that claim was a terrible idea to start with. There was no waggon on you, much less an L-1 with lynch thread, which would normally be the condition you'd claim under. The players actually demandig a claim where a marginal minority, and not exactly the most shining pro-town ones either. Why did you do it? And what do you think about Per pressing on the claim so hard?
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Post Post #468 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:23 am

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Peegrine, are you really serious? All that you have to provide is specualtion with abysmal logic about why some one crumbed on page 1?
In your next post I want to hear something else from you. What else did you consider scummy in this game? Who else than BB is possible scum ion your eyes?

Oh, and please, every one else stop the useless setup speculation too. None of us has nearly enough information to judge plausibility of any claims at the moment and I'd prefer to keep it this way, everything else will just help scum.

Hi, hasdf...
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Post Post #475 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:52 am

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PLease, guys, öearn to post in a way that's not 90% some one else's quoted content :(
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Post Post #476 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:53 am

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Please, guys, learn to post in a way that's not 90% some one else's quoted content :(
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Post Post #514 (isolation #35) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:11 pm

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With deadline approaching I finally force myself down to do all the actual rereading. So expect major content within the next 24h...
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Post Post #679 (isolation #36) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:45 pm

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OK, I admit that I suck... But obviously Slan becoming conftown screwed up my main scum read and the big post I was preparing to further explain that read... so... I guess the good thing is that he's scum's problem now...

Slandaar wrote:Shmugen or Nexus should really be the lynch but there isnt much point voting Nexus when its a wagon noone wants

Never felt malees slot is town and dont see the point voting PV more interesting for VCA later

PV might be scum but as said the voters look bad -> BB/cow/shmu? do not want. Magna also liked that wagon so yeah, I dont think its great.


Your reason to not follow a waggon is because you "do not like" other people on that waggon? On D1? With no flips at all? This is bad and anti-town.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #37) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:53 pm

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So...
Unvote. Vote Per
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Post Post #683 (isolation #38) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:02 pm

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Obviously we are not lynching BB. He's way too valuable for town if we can confirm him, which is not unlikely.

Per gets a lot of newb leeway from me (based on recent game experience with him), but even with that I cannot really see how he could possibly really believe in the bullshit case he was trying to push on BB.

My second favourite lynch would be Nero right now, he showed very scummy and OMGUSy reactions when I pressured him on his "random vote". And then there's that very recent bullshit case on the malee slot (for avatar changing... Really forced argument) - telling it now, just in case: if either of Per or Wrath should happen to flip scum in the future, he's a very likely partner.

I also consider wrath and syndrome possible lynches, but I consider them more likely miguided town than peregrine.

Not really seing the hasd case.
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Post Post #685 (isolation #39) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:06 pm

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Also I want to point out, based on hasd's claim, that obviously it's not only Storm troopers/VTs/goons/whatever "standard" role that have blasters and that there are likely more blaster shots in game than people estimate. Hence directing a vig seems uneccessary, just trusting in the "crowd inteligence" for now seems more advantageous.
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Post Post #686 (isolation #40) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:08 pm

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I am hanging around for a bit longer, but probably not till deadline, it's already 2 a.m. for me and I cannot sleep long tomorrow...
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Post Post #688 (isolation #41) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:14 pm

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I wouldn't shed a tear for Nexus, but lynching him is pretty much just a lurker lynch and I don't think that's optimal play after an already way to stretched out D1...
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Post Post #727 (isolation #42) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:50 pm

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Slandaar wrote:See this is why SD is scum.
He hadnt written said post at what a couple hours before deadline?
He clearly had no intention of writing it before deadline, if I got lynched he wouldnt have either as shown by him not writing it now im claimed.
Did he care about who was lynched then? no, not really. If he was sure im scum (and hes town) he should have got his case out, he did not.


You are aware that you claimed on Thursday, right? The point is not that I did not write it but that I had to scrap and bin it... And if you are still so convinced that I am scum your constantly going for other waggons makes no sense at all and my demand for explanation is still entirely ignored and unanswered by you as far as I can recall. I don't know what you thinking, I don't get you guy.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #43) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:01 pm

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@Kdup: I don't know
when
exactly you got obsessed with the Fen/BB case, but your overfocussing has definitely long been far from rational. It's not advantageous for town to lynch him today for tactical reasons. Case (temporarily) closed.
And just to point your newest flaw: BB did not really correct or change his claim, all he did was clarifying some aspects of it and giving his interpretation which you have good reasons to diagree with, but none to call him a liar for.
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Post Post #743 (isolation #44) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:28 am

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Oh noes, it's jerk wars :(
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Post Post #758 (isolation #45) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:54 am

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PeregrineV wrote:Show me the case I pushed on BBmolla=scum. All I did was ask a question and expect an honest answer.
Thoughts on WC and Kdub?
And why would you consider syndrome lynch at all?


So you did harp on the bread crumb thing not because of any allegations of scummyness but just ... because? Oh, great, that's of course much better @_@

Not sure about Kdup, but he really needs to stop overfocussing on BB. I haven't much love for Wrath, but I also cannot see the big dead-giveaway-scumslip on his part... I'd prefer to have an eye on him for another day before I seriously start considering his lynch.

Syndrome came in and made a super biassed, ignorant and forced case on Magna. Looks like scum who tries to impress with an extensive case upon entry, but who showed really bad judgement in chosing his target.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #46) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:23 pm

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Actually: Where is Andrius and why does he seem to prefer discussing about DotA in general discussion over being here before deadline and finally making a somewhat useful vote.
It's hard to admit, but Peregrine actually has a valid point there....
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Post Post #763 (isolation #47) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:25 pm

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I'll hang around for about another half an hour. I am not expecting much to happen... But there's always hope I guess...

@DN: Can we probably get another official vote count?
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Post Post #815 (isolation #48) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:15 am

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Meh. Killed N1 again :( I knew this would work out badly ;..( Go team, go!
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #49) » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:33 pm

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I think th mod slip matters a lot.

Briz would have easily survived at least another day, his claim somehow gave him a wake of town credid. If it wasn't for the flavour slip he would nt have got back into focus again so soon.
And the "being warned" thing is besides the point. Our mod-provided info was that kill flavour would be "fell in a hole" and we discussed it figured that it was a way to ambiguous flavour to be strongly linked to any one (people falling into chasms is the "norm" in star wars after all). Broz claimed accordingly, even pointed out the trap flavour himself, finding it safe.

After that it was a steep way down, Nero's claim was too strongly linked to kill falvour. He should have probably claimed storm trooper or ceased killing altogether adn WIFOM his way out.

I am very surprised that no one used storm trooper as a safe claim anyway.
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