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hey all, i'm replacing Foxace...
just saw the thread opened up (didn't get a notification )
bad timing as i will be V/LA for the weekend (i am usually V/LA on all weekends btw) and leaving here in just a few...
so i'll have to do the full catch-up post on Monday.
i did pre-read the archives back when the game went on hold and from what i remember
i wanted a closer look at Slandaar (didn''t like his jump on Malee), Fennin (for crumbing the way he did), and ShadowDancer (for a reason i can't remember right off of the top of my head).
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sorry guys, got stuck with work crap, but..
reread the archives so here's where i am at so far:
slandaar jumps on Malee for giving reads early in the game.
on the very same page ooba does the same thing post 147 yet Slandaar makes no mention of this.
same page again #149 Kurtis bandwagons on the malee vote for the very same reason yet mentions nothing about ooba's post. Scum move.
not sure why Malee pointed out Fennin's crumb for EVERYONE
post 230 Kurtis defends the Fennins crumb with another weak attack on Malee
post 279Slandaar wrote:Fennin gets it, which is why I find him scummy, because HE SEES that its just mostly a summary with no real opinion... IE ITS NOT CONTENT he just doesnt want to be on the side of attacking the wall poster as wall poster = town (to the masses) or wall poster = buddy
not sure I understand your reasoning here…
so you're saying that claimed Malee's wot was pointless
Then you say that Fennin is scum fopr agreeing with you? Wtf?
Fennin is asked question after question, yet pops inpost# 291 to say,"yes I'm Yoda" and yeh it was obvcrumb.
Kurtis goes into hybernation when heat is applied
Fennin comes back to only say post 337 that I did to prove I have different powers. He still does not answer the numerous questions given to him.
Fennin's crumbing seems way too blatant, upwards to the fact where he claims Yoda. I don't see town motivation for this? It would paint him as a PR target. Especially with his "my Jedi powers are different than the standard powers. "
His play makes no sense.Come in, blatantly crumb, hide in the shadows and avoid questions, then pop in for a claim and out..
gonna read the reboot now, but as of this moment:
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ok, sorry guys..
juggling a few things ...(3 games and work has me doing stupid quarterly reviews.)
did some more reading on the reboot. Up to page 7.
here's what i have:
#49 slandaar weak attacks malee as scum for replacing out
post# 54 - 65 argument between Slan and Iece about whether or not Slandaar is lying about knowing the game restarted seems forced to me.
and lol at 2 more pages of arguing about whether or not Slandaar knew the game restarted.
Magna seems to be pushing way too hard on the Slandaar reboot. Although I think it's weird when Slan (after going at it with Magna)suddenly backs off and targets ShadowDancer in #101
lol @ Slandaar# 136Slandaar wrote:Scum are more likely to take her side because it is in principle the 'right' side. They are not going to go out on a limb on my side.
that absolutely makes no sense? If you join the "right side of the cause" you are scum!
ugh...this is awful...
i should be able to finish the rest of the reboot and be fully caught up by tomorrow.at which time i'll throw a vote down
so to summarize, Slandaar is still in my ugly group..Kurtis has yet to reappear so i'll leave him there as well...and nothing has changed with Fennin...- Sword of Omens -
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ok, continuing:
Sladaar's post#190 of WC is scum but I'll tell you why later..Almost as if he was saying WC is scum just to say it and sound townie
Magna calls him out on this (I find this very reasonable) but Slan says why do I have to? Then deflects to ShadowDancer AGAIN in #194
I like SD post #196 and #197 ..seems sincere (I'm starting to like SD)
WC with his back to back WoT is null for me, however, I am used to seeing WC more aggressive than this…I will be watching him closely.
magna's post 206 makes me forgive him for his Slandaar lying about the reboot tunnel..town for that…
ok WC's post #211 and 212 makes me further question his townliness..again, I don't see the aggressiveness I am used to seeing from him..
lol @ Slandaar post# 231Slandaar wrote:VOTE: SD
Magna explain SDtown to me
Put a vote on your scum pick then ask someone else to defend him? Yeh, by the time I get to the end of this catchup post, I'm pretty sure I know where my vote will be…
Ugh, again MOI with the lurky mcLurkin' Slandaar …this to me is a dead horse…he is scum for other reasons…
Slandaar post# 303 …. Just let it go…
#306 -311 moves SD up a little more in my town world
also like Andy's post 318 and the extra zipped files that were missing..thanks Andy
#330 made note…re-checked pm…@Peregrine , please respond to this
Vote: Slandaar
@ Slandaar, please explain your full case on SD for me? Cause I'm not seeing it?
With a definite eye on WC & Schmugen (damnit Kurtis for replacing out)... and now Peregrine
After reading up on Fennin/BB , I have an idea and am willing to wait a day…especially with the catch on Peregrine..
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@Slandaar,
the whole lurking thing is honestly null for me, but
just because he keeps pushing on the lurking issue does not make him wrong about you being scum.
Early on you jumped all over malee for giving her reads post, which i thought was odd.
On the very same page (post 147) Ooba does the exact same thing as Malee (but you make no comment against him) Contradiction against you.
Same place, Kurtis then jumps on and parrots your reasoning for Malee (#149)
Then in #279 you state that Fennin "gets it" because he sees your reasoning on Malee and is scum for it(contradiction 2), but yet Kurtis is somehow justified because you didn't mention Kurtis at all for parroting you. (Contradiction 3)
When Malee replaces out you take another weak shot at her to call her scum
Not to mention your #136 saying that if you join the "right side" you are scum
(Contradiction# 4)Slandaar wrote:Scum are more likely to take her side because it is in principle the 'right' side. They are not going to go out on a limb on my side
When pressured by Magna to explain your scum read on WC you deflect instead over to SD (why not just give your reasoning on WC?)
with your deflection to SD is instead of stating why he was scum, you said ,"hey Mag, prove he isn't"
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@Slandaar, ok let me answer a few things for you.
Slandaar wrote:Or hes... scum? everyone else can see its null why not him?
yeh he could be, but i've read MOI as town..
Slandaar wrote:
Malees posts were just overdone for basically saying 15nulls a couple town and a couple slight scum reads.
Slandaar wrote:sword_of_omens wrote:
Same place, Kurtis then jumps on and parrots your reasoning for Malee (#149)
How is this indicative of my alignment?
It is when Fennin does the exact same thing, but you call him out as scummy for it. Selective reasoning on your part?
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Fennin agrees with the reasoning but was voting me. He was the one contradicting.
so people are allowed only one scumread? He's voting for you and agreeing with your logic on Malee..
Scum do bus, y'know...
Slandaar wrote:I think that slot is scum. What is your point? just a little fact; she replaced out here before some other games she was in.
again, mainly weak pot-shots...replacing out does not make her scum...look at the frickin' list..almost EVERYONE has replaced out...doesn't make em all scum..
Slandaar wrote:No thats part of a whole its not a 1 line they are scum due to this alone. Why are you suggesting as such? Note more likely, note how you are ridiculously stating they ARE which is clearly not what I said anyway.
from post# 136Slandaar wrote:
So now we are getting somewhere, Scum are more likely to take her side because it is in principle the 'right' side. They are not going to go out on a limb on my side.
So who was on side Malee
SD/Fennin/Magna... maybe someone im forgetting
i re-read your whole post....I will concede this point to you somewhat, however, I still disagree with your reasoning behind it. You are saying that scum would ONLY side with Malee and not you. Your original attack on Malee was weak to begin with and you agree that "Malee's side" is the "right side". You're admitting that your attack on her for this is weak/wrong. Yet you are using this as one of your main points that Malee is scum.
Slandaar wrote:You know I wrote a case on SD, you quoted a line from it in this post.
wow, I did not reallize that that was your whole case on SD. He thought you were lying about knowing the thread opened but he didn't vote you. Oh, And that he took Malee's side.
I honestly don't read SD as scum like you do..he's actually had some decent posts..
[quote=""Slandaar"]Now Sword, why isnt magna scum for refusing to explain SD read or drop the lurker argument? or contradict himself with the lurking argument on SD himself? Oh did that escape you? I remember you seeing it, but you told me to let it go? why should I? Magna is contradicting his own argument which he will not drop.[/quote]
why should (Magna or anyone else for that matter) have to defend SD? Let SD do it for himself..if you think SD is scum, pressure SD. As far as the lurker argument goes…Moi is pressuring you (lurking is part of it, but he's got other ammo in there as well)….when i said let the lurking issue go, I meant both sides..not just you.
Slandaar wrote:I have also taken note of your contradiction you suggest I am scum not explaining WC, but not magna for not explaining SD
I thought I already clarified this..if you think someone is scum, make a case on them and pressure..we are in the business of catching scum, not catching town. Shouldn't you explain your reasoning on someone you think is scum? I would think so. Now as far as making a case on why someone is town? especially this early in the game makes no sense to do. Let the person you are making a case against defend themself..not have someone else do it for them. Take note of the actions and stances people make and then go from there...
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Where is Iece? i do not like him this quiet...at all
@Slandaar...just so i'm on the same page as you..you're top scum reads are : SD, MOI....and now Nexus?
@MOI , i might have missed it, but where exactly did Andy ping some bad juju for you?
@BB you should have left it alone right here:
BB wrote:He didn't leave anything for me, it's just pretty obvious for me to see what he was trying to accomplish.
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↑ Iecerint wrote:↑ sword_of_omens wrote:Where is Iece? i do not like him this quiet...at all
Iecerint has trouble getting excited about this game. Whenever Iecerint thinks about posting, Iecerint discounts those feelings by the risk of PR violation and posts elsewhere.
This is a bad habit. Iecerint will try to do better.
Iecerint might ordinarily replace out, but Iecerint does not want to put DeathNote or the other players through keeping track of yet-another replacement. Iecerint already can't keep them straight. <_<
Iece, there is no substance in this and i know you are better than that...
draw up a post like you normally would, preview it and change the pronouns...not too hard really...
you are definitely on my watch list...
Slandaar wrote:OK Sword let me show you something
I am town, therefore, I know Fennin isnt bussing me. He looked like scum from my pov. Either way from your pov where you dont know that, you should vote him over me as its clearly more indicative of his alignment than mine.
Do you disagree?
or conversely, from his POV , you could be bussing Malee…that was the point I was making…- Sword of Omens -
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Andri wrote:Pushing too hard" is not scummy, sword_of_omens. Its called being determined. I'd be right there next to him if I were actually on MS.
Andri wrote:SoO tunnelvisions Slandaar.
Do you think you're "pushing too hard" on Slandaar yet?
If so, how is Magna pushing Slandaar "too hard" any different from you? (Also you both think he's scum.)
If not, why not?
I'm assuming you mean my reference in post#342:
I thought it was strange that MOI was mainly pushing the whole "you're lying about knowing the thread opened" issue when there were better reasons for Slandaar being scuum and wanted to make a note of it.
Pressure and determination are fine...pushing too hard on that particluar issue seemed a wasted effort....because for me, and probably others, I don't think that it mattered really one way or another whether or not Slandaar knew…like I said Slandaar was scummy for better reasons.- Sword of Omens -
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considering that there is a wagon on one of his top scum reads, and it's coming up on deadline, yeh...
it would make more sense to push that lynch then try to start on another one this late in the day...especially when he has a wagon on himself as well...
WWMoID?
You have 2 top scumreads, one has a wagon, one doesn't. You have a wagon on yourself as well. Deadline is in 12hrs or so...if a no lynch occurs, top votes gets lynched...
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ok, i'm back from my weekend...
and holy hell....
couple of things to get out of the way, i guess...
Shotgun's play makes zero sense...
he came in, slapped a late "town's consensus" vote on Per after the hammer,
then wakes up on Day 2 with a WC vote and full claim?
and apparently he has not read the thread at all...he didn't even recognize chewy's growl...
@Shotgun, do you plan on catching up and reading the thread at all, or do you plan on shooting fom the hip all game?
@WC , i'm glad to see you back to your ol' spitfire self...i like you much better that way...
i'll emphasize this again, because i think it warrants it:
i really do not like Iece's play at all this game...and i'm not buying his "i don't like my post restriction" excuse (sorry Iece...as i really liked my last game with you). The town Iece i knew actively scumhunted and threw out good ideas...and your play this game is....definitely not that...in fact it's pretty nonexistant...
Vote: Iece
Also, i'm a little torn now on MOI....given with what he said he could do, (it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how it works)
@MOI , do you really still think that there is only 1 scum team? I know why you are pushing that, given it'll make you look better...
ok, anyhoo...
i'm going to see if i can ISO a few more people today (an amazing feat given the crazy amount of replacements) and see if i need to change my vote...- Sword of Omens -
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ok..
quick 2 cents...
MOI - still trying to wrap my head around you...what was the purpose of coming out and claiming what you did about responsibilty on Syndrome? based on what you said, and if i'm guessing correctly, enough people wanted you dead to warrant a Syndrome kill.. and I doubt Slandaar had a blaster shot if he could ModConf himself...then we have the NK's...unless we have another Vig or a redirector who got very lucky, i don't eally see how there could be only 1 scum team.
WC - can someone please tell me what the case is on WC? based on my theory above i can only see WC as scum is if he is on a second team of scum and they have access to Blaster shot(s)...targetting MOI would make sense as MOI came after him pretty hard. like i said, i don't think enough people thought MOI was scum to warrant blasters...
Shotgun's play is all over the place bad...i can vote him today if it comes down to it, but a well placed blaster shot i think would be better...
Iece- i still like my vote on Iece...pretty sure that there's scum in that thar Jar-Jar...i can see how he would be bitter about everyone making fun of him...oh..and the fact that Iece isn't playing as the town Iece i remember helps me feel very comfortable with my vote on him.
Nexus - quick ISO of Nexus is pretty much nothing but going after Slandaar...i could vote on Nexus as well if i had to...- Sword of Omens -
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@WC , i don't think MOI hi-jacks them in the way that you are thinking...
Iece has played very little and has been using his PR as an excuse...i liked town Iece in FF6 a lot because i found his reasoning very similar to mine..he was actively scumhunting, and had a lot of good insights and ideas...
again, here, his play is minimal...he's not trying to apply pressure to anyone and he seems to have no real opinion one way or another it seems...
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i still see it as 1 scum, two scum...distinguishing 2 seperate teams..
MagnaofIllusion wrote:As I mentioned – your pursuit of BB is what furthers my suspicions. Odds of him being scum are astronomically smallespecially since we had Shadow who was a Non-Blaster Non-Force killing Serial Killer in our midst. Very little reason for him to manufacture that claim which makes him a pretty big target to said SK. I don’t see you focusing on Scum with either of your two top ‘suspects’ today.
where does it say Shadow was non-blaster, non-force killer? Did I miss it?
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on my phone so don't expect a whole lot until tomorrow..
wanted to reply to what Magna said:
Magna wrote:I don’t know – did you put no effort into analyzing the Nightkills?
Syndrome was blastered. No-one else was. There is no way scum could stop every Blaster vote so unless you think I am lying about re-directing the blaters and that scum somehow protected the actual Town Blaster target via Doc then that kill is clearly accounted for.
So that leaves Ooba and Shadow. Shadow didn’t kill himself. Thus ooba’s death flavor most likely comes from Shadow (or his faction if you don’t think he’s a SK). I don’t think “fell in a hole” is a Force-based kill method. Do you?
Yes i did analyze the writeup...and that's why i ask you why you keep pushing hard on the 1 scum team...you have stated enough times matter of factly that SD was an SK...
so let's look at Ooba's death flavor...falling down a hole. So what you are proposing is that there is only a single scum group and Shadow (as SK Boba Fett) "pushed Ooba into a hole."
Boba Fett...
The Bounty Hunter...
Who specializes in guns and blasters...
pushed Ooba into a hole....
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guys, i am truly sorry, work problems came up and someone got laid off..
i have to pick up the slack and that means i won't have time for mafia until they can get someone else to help out over here..
unfortunately i will probably have very limitted access for the next 1 - 2 weeks...
if you can live with that i'll try and post when i can, but i don't really think it's fair to everyone else...
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