Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

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Hey guys. If I could get the game summary from many perspectives that would help.

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Slandaar is playing great at getting reactions.

However, I don't like the way he is doing it.

I have a town read on Slandaar, but he really needs to not act the way he is, because it's very anti-town.


And Slandaar, if you're going to try and reaction test, please make it a little more subtle. The manipulativeness was 0 in what he was saying, and based on your vocabulary and gameplay so far I am assuming you knew that and was only reaction-testing.

If you were reaction-testing, town read. You may be trying to get whatever you can on other people, which would be much scummier.

Ugh, I'm not used to this kind of gameplay. Alright, let's see here...

Until I get some kind of response that is noteworthy and explains well, I shall...
VOTE: Slandaar

I'm kinda wary of kondi and Slandaar right now. This may sound wierd, but they seem more concerned with making cases and being active than I remember from their town meta. Yes, I get this is what town are supposed to be like, but it just feels off to me.

Om has 10 pages of meta on me. This is not very much, this is also very wrong from what I remember but thats not really the issue.

Om knows this;

Of course, this could just be me being fail and forgetting half of their town meta, if that's the case, then just disregard this.

He knows that he doesn't really have adequate meta to be accurate so throws in an out when his meta read is challenged.

He cant possibly think he knows 'half my town meta' from ten pages let alone my full meta.

He then tries to defend his read with '10 pages is enough' then what was the point in the above quote? he surely knows my meta because 10 pages is enough, so why the doubt that he might not? Its because he knows its not enough.

His read is completely fabricated. His general read list shows a complete lack of reads bar gut and fake meta reads. Meta reads and gut reads require very little commitment, leaving him open for change later which is further backed up by his 'I could be wrong though if so disregard!' They are also very easy to invent as scum requiring little explanation.

His reaction to my vote is bad, he tries to get me to post content for which he can defend himself instead of just explainign a town read (vijay) which could have helped read him. It also shows a great hypocrisy that he can have gut reads that he doesn't need to explain but I can't

Basically hes scum.

Ugh what is this? OOTN sounds like a cornered townie imo. Slandaar's pressure is good, but it's coming close to confirmation bias imo. I played with him before and the meta is fairly similar, which is null, but gut gives me a slight town read.

@ Mod: could we get kondi in here please? Thank you.

Vote hopping can be a scumtell depending no the context.
it is a scumtell when you do it during the day with no deadlines nearby and no clear reason.

Obviously you were insinuating this

I see it as scum vote hopping.

as shown here

Therefore you are saying I am scum for vote hopping, I am scum based on meta, yet my meta says votehopping = town.

You cant use meta when it suits you and not when it doesnt. (well you can when you are scum, or try to)

or you want to admit you dont know my meta and just fabricated your read on me again making you scum... (this is the case)

Thomith, your sig. Best song ever. Regarding the game, I'm guessing you're insinuating OOTN - newbscum?

OOTN still is cornered townie lashing out at his attackers. Also, I believe that he was wrong about knowing your meta, but has no space to back down.

Chrimi, I was going to say you would play better if you stopped posting like everybody you talk to is 12. Then I remembered your actually quite close to that age yourself X.X

Meta reads are very easy to makeup to look like you are scumhunting.

He defends himself from me saying 10pages is clearly not enough to meta someone on but later wants me to meta him, which shows complete hypocrisy as if his read is good, I have the same meta on him as he on me therefore I know his meta like he knows mine. Yet it shows he knows 10pages isnt enough. Making him scum.

Makes his current logic bad. His current logic is faulty because he is being pressured hard.

Cornered townie, as vijay said. Defending from his attacker(s). Slandaar, somebody's case being bad does not make them scum, it makes the case bad and that's it. Both scum and townies can make bad cases, it happens all the time.

So, I agree Om your logic on the situation is at fault, but I do not believe he is scum.

P-edit: Thomith, he is fighting back and defending, if he just backed down Slandaar would move in and continue making points and asking for an answer. Om is answering and defending, like anybody would. A bad defense means a townie that has given up, anyways. Fighting back and defending means a strong town who is trying to understand why Slandaar is tunneling him.

@ Asher: my gut has served me very well in the past, as well as my metaing. I know how to use both. I'm not going to be right all the time, but more often than not.

When I bring up Thomith's meta, it's because he's playing fairly similar to that previous game. The fact that he flipped town in that one gives me a gut town read. Also, POE is another way of scumhunting, and something I've been trying to integrate to my skillset.

Regarding pressure, I believe it's you being short-sighted. Well not short-sighted, but more not considering both sides of the coin. Sure pressure can be imposed in the long term by questioning statements made, but why wait for that when you can pressure now? Furthermore, shouldn't early pressure provide you with more ammunition for late pressure as scum crack and flail?

I did not know what to expect, and he didn't really react. A weak reaction at most, I'm pinning it as trying to evade or ignore it. Ergo, scum points.

Chrimi and reaction testing:

I think you are town but im voting you untill you meet my demands.
Pressure by calling said person town; 0. Noone is going to actually stick to a vote on someone they think is town IF they are town themselves.
What reaction would be a town reaction to a no pressure vote exactly Chrimi? coming at you guns blazing? thats a strong reaction right? so thats town? doesnt seem to make much sense especially the tone of your OMGUS post recently.

So my reaction was always destined to get scumpoints wasn't it? your test was not impartial, thereby making you scum.

also explain the benefits of voting me for being antitown over kass for being antitown? who is being more antitown hm?

Oh but whatever alignment kass is as scum you want to keep him alive...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chrimi

this guys scum hes just been posting reactionary stuff and done approximately 0 scumhunting.

It actually makes more sense hes defending kass due to kass being useless so as scum he wants to keep him around rather than being buddies, the connection between the 2 is too obvious.

Hmmmm I think for now this is the best thing to do.

VOTE: Slandaar

I looked up all of the games (still on the site) of all of the players

I meta one game per player

Nice try but you are clearly lying.

Except, Slandaar, if we lynch Kass we'll be lynching town.

Lynching town today is very bad YOU don't seem to grasp this.

You are not seer. You are wolf. Will somebody hammer him please?

For the record, I would really have preferred it if Slandaar had not died today, he was active (if a bit flaily) and had he not made the Worst Claim Ever (TM) then maybe he'd have lived. Allowing him to live overnight just muddies everything up tomorrow and we can't afford to get bogged down in ridiculous WIFOM all day in D2. You had to die, even though it should have been Kass the whole time.

Pre-edit: What would your notes have done if you were going to hammer straight afterwards anyway? You would have given wolves more info to work with. Save them for tomorrow, they'll still be valid.

I'm up to page 26 already.

[BK201]

Slandaar is playing great at getting reactions.

However, I don't like the way he is doing it.

I have a town read on Slandaar, but he really needs to not act the way he is, because it's very anti-town.


And Slandaar, if you're going to try and reaction test, please make it a little more subtle. The manipulativeness was 0 in what he was saying, and based on your vocabulary and gameplay so far I am assuming you knew that and was only reaction-testing.

If you were reaction-testing, town read. You may be trying to get whatever you can on other people, which would be much scummier.

Ugh, I'm not used to this kind of gameplay. Alright, let's see here...

Until I get some kind of response that is noteworthy and explains well, I shall...
VOTE: Slandaar

I'm kinda wary of kondi and Slandaar right now. This may sound wierd, but they seem more concerned with making cases and being active than I remember from their town meta. Yes, I get this is what town are supposed to be like, but it just feels off to me.

Om has 10 pages of meta on me. This is not very much, this is also very wrong from what I remember but thats not really the issue.

Om knows this;

Of course, this could just be me being fail and forgetting half of their town meta, if that's the case, then just disregard this.

He knows that he doesn't really have adequate meta to be accurate so throws in an out when his meta read is challenged.

He cant possibly think he knows 'half my town meta' from ten pages let alone my full meta.

He then tries to defend his read with '10 pages is enough' then what was the point in the above quote? he surely knows my meta because 10 pages is enough, so why the doubt that he might not? Its because he knows its not enough.

His read is completely fabricated. His general read list shows a complete lack of reads bar gut and fake meta reads. Meta reads and gut reads require very little commitment, leaving him open for change later which is further backed up by his 'I could be wrong though if so disregard!' They are also very easy to invent as scum requiring little explanation.

His reaction to my vote is bad, he tries to get me to post content for which he can defend himself instead of just explainign a town read (vijay) which could have helped read him. It also shows a great hypocrisy that he can have gut reads that he doesn't need to explain but I can't

Basically hes scum.

Ugh what is this? OOTN sounds like a cornered townie imo. Slandaar's pressure is good, but it's coming close to confirmation bias imo. I played with him before and the meta is fairly similar, which is null, but gut gives me a slight town read.

@ Mod: could we get kondi in here please? Thank you.

Vote hopping can be a scumtell depending no the context.
it is a scumtell when you do it during the day with no deadlines nearby and no clear reason.

Obviously you were insinuating this

I see it as scum vote hopping.

as shown here

Therefore you are saying I am scum for vote hopping, I am scum based on meta, yet my meta says votehopping = town.

You cant use meta when it suits you and not when it doesnt. (well you can when you are scum, or try to)

or you want to admit you dont know my meta and just fabricated your read on me again making you scum... (this is the case)

Thomith, your sig. Best song ever. Regarding the game, I'm guessing you're insinuating OOTN - newbscum?

OOTN still is cornered townie lashing out at his attackers. Also, I believe that he was wrong about knowing your meta, but has no space to back down.

Chrimi, I was going to say you would play better if you stopped posting like everybody you talk to is 12. Then I remembered your actually quite close to that age yourself X.X

Meta reads are very easy to makeup to look like you are scumhunting.

He defends himself from me saying 10pages is clearly not enough to meta someone on but later wants me to meta him, which shows complete hypocrisy as if his read is good, I have the same meta on him as he on me therefore I know his meta like he knows mine. Yet it shows he knows 10pages isnt enough. Making him scum.

Makes his current logic bad. His current logic is faulty because he is being pressured hard.

Cornered townie, as vijay said. Defending from his attacker(s). Slandaar, somebody's case being bad does not make them scum, it makes the case bad and that's it. Both scum and townies can make bad cases, it happens all the time.

So, I agree Om your logic on the situation is at fault, but I do not believe he is scum.

P-edit: Thomith, he is fighting back and defending, if he just backed down Slandaar would move in and continue making points and asking for an answer. Om is answering and defending, like anybody would. A bad defense means a townie that has given up, anyways. Fighting back and defending means a strong town who is trying to understand why Slandaar is tunneling him.

@ Asher: my gut has served me very well in the past, as well as my metaing. I know how to use both. I'm not going to be right all the time, but more often than not.

When I bring up Thomith's meta, it's because he's playing fairly similar to that previous game. The fact that he flipped town in that one gives me a gut town read. Also, POE is another way of scumhunting, and something I've been trying to integrate to my skillset.

Regarding pressure, I believe it's you being short-sighted. Well not short-sighted, but more not considering both sides of the coin. Sure pressure can be imposed in the long term by questioning statements made, but why wait for that when you can pressure now? Furthermore, shouldn't early pressure provide you with more ammunition for late pressure as scum crack and flail?

I did not know what to expect, and he didn't really react. A weak reaction at most, I'm pinning it as trying to evade or ignore it. Ergo, scum points.

Chrimi and reaction testing:

I think you are town but im voting you untill you meet my demands.
Pressure by calling said person town; 0. Noone is going to actually stick to a vote on someone they think is town IF they are town themselves.
What reaction would be a town reaction to a no pressure vote exactly Chrimi? coming at you guns blazing? thats a strong reaction right? so thats town? doesnt seem to make much sense especially the tone of your OMGUS post recently.

So my reaction was always destined to get scumpoints wasn't it? your test was not impartial, thereby making you scum.

also explain the benefits of voting me for being antitown over kass for being antitown? who is being more antitown hm?

Oh but whatever alignment kass is as scum you want to keep him alive...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chrimi

this guys scum hes just been posting reactionary stuff and done approximately 0 scumhunting.

It actually makes more sense hes defending kass due to kass being useless so as scum he wants to keep him around rather than being buddies, the connection between the 2 is too obvious.

Hmmmm I think for now this is the best thing to do.

VOTE: Slandaar

I looked up all of the games (still on the site) of all of the players

I meta one game per player

Nice try but you are clearly lying.

Except, Slandaar, if we lynch Kass we'll be lynching town.

Lynching town today is very bad YOU don't seem to grasp this.

You are not seer. You are wolf. Will somebody hammer him please?

For the record, I would really have preferred it if Slandaar had not died today, he was active (if a bit flaily) and had he not made the Worst Claim Ever (TM) then maybe he'd have lived. Allowing him to live overnight just muddies everything up tomorrow and we can't afford to get bogged down in ridiculous WIFOM all day in D2. You had to die, even though it should have been Kass the whole time.

Pre-edit: What would your notes have done if you were going to hammer straight afterwards anyway? You would have given wolves more info to work with. Save them for tomorrow, they'll still be valid.

Kondi, you were saying slandaar was town yesturday, but he claimed seer, if you ARE the seer then why did you still act like slandaar was town as he would have been lying would he have not?
UNVOTE:
i would vote but L-1 early in the day probably wont help much.

Also chrimi you viewed me and slandaar as a scumteam so you changed the meaning of one of my posts to make it more believable?
VOTE: chrimi

Uhm...

No?

I was just adding to my point.

by changing mine?

Yes.

@ Fat Tony: I don't understand that unvote. Are you claiming that you knew Chrimi was going to vote Kondi?

By the way, note the Chrimi-OMGUS.

Anyway, I still want kondi lynched. Kass is probably scum, so is Chrimi. But kondi gets rope today.

VJ wouldn't that make Tony scum as well? Since he knew Chrimi was going to vote?

That seems to fit rather nicely. Who did Tony replace again?

Fat_Tony LBJ**

Really it just seems awkward how the exchange here went

But why would Tony say that he knew? That's a connection that goes under my too convenient to be scummy cabinet. Like sort of how some people are too scummy to actually be scum, if that makes sense. Tony is null for me atm.

That's the problem though. Were dealing with multi scum teams as well here

So what exactly are you suggesting Elmo?

But why would Tony say that he knew? That's a connection that goes under my too convenient to be scummy cabinet. Like sort of how some people are too scummy to actually be scum, if that makes sense. Tony is null for me atm.

Too scummy to be scum. You can't look past that right now. With only one team being able to be found by seer and the other is basically a group of evil masons. You can't make an argument too scummy to be scum

Well I have scumreads that I personally believe are stronger than Tony at the moment.

I just mini-quote things as I read, since I just read all 39 pages in 3 sittings.

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Was clear Asher was the seer when he said this to Slandaar. Maybe more clear because I already knew some slips my first time reading it.
"By the way, if you are a VT who claimed seer just to save your own hide, that's one big /facepalm right there."

Anyways, Omnom and Chimri are the best bets for being scum. Both used very faulty meta logic which was destroyed by Slandaar. Early in the game v2v(that scum player), soft-defended omnom saying he is town backed into a corner. Chimri hasn't been pro-active, and sometimes harmful to town. Omnom is the best bet right now.

VOTE: Om of the Nom

[BK201]

^slips was meant to be flips.

[BK201]

Congrats for being a part of my second scum game. You guys should be honored.

Go scum!

Congrats for being the first scum-lynch I was took part in. :p gg

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Honestly, Chrimi feels like he is defending me because he genuinely thinks I am town, whereas you feel like you are doing it just for the sake of buddying.

Treating Chrimi with kid gloves where the other person is accused of buddying.

I still think Kass is town, and I also think Chrimi is town. I don't want to lynch either of them. Right now I want either a Thomith lynch or an Asher lynch.

No, Chrimi is town because his posts feel town motivated.

Nice feeling

VOTE: Chrimi
I'm 99% sure Chrimi is mafia. His actions so far have been highly suspicious and they give me bad vibes.
I'm pretty sure Thomith is his buddy.

So if I'm scum I must be bussing my buddy.

I would agree.

Fine, if I can't get my Chrimi lynch then I can go for the next best thing.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith

Chrimi was at L-1.

The Chrimi wagon was stalling and making the game stagnate, what's so wrong with me changing my vote to get some more activity?

^

It hadn't been going anywhere for a while, plus I don't like the thought of you hammering a wagon.

^

VOTE: Chrimi

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VOTE: Chrimi

WE HIT TURBULENCE. XD

Let's not argue about semantics.

Chrimi: who is scum? Slandaar or OOTN? Or both?

OOTN: in one sentence, why is Slandaar scum?

Slander: same, but for OOTN.

I agree with Chrimi on this.

In the event that Slandaar is actually the Seer (which is like 25% likely imo):
Not lynching him gives us a 5/11 chance to hit scum. While that is looking good, the only issue with that is we don't get any extra info if Slandaar is killed (not too bad), or if Slandaar isn't killed we get introduced to WIFOMcity. Sure we get one result from Slandaar that is confirmed with our lynch of him but chances are we'd get "no werewolf" (9/11). Thus the benefit is minute.

If we do lynch him, we learn from the NK at the very least, don't have to deal with WIFOM. At worst we will have lost two townies.

However I believe that was more likely to be a werewolf fakeclaim by Slandaar(75% likely from my POV). The benefits to lynching him are obvious, while not lynching introduces all the WIFOM mentioned before.

Also I would like to add that kondi is probably Slandaar's buddy. So if you're the Seer (ie Slandaar is fakeclaiming), kondi is a good target imo.

Om still reads like flail-hard town. I'm null on almost everybody else atm, will reread and make notes. If I missed any questions directed at me, sorry. Please ask them again preferably in 12 or so hours because I'm going to be travelling for a while.

Obv maf is obvious

This.

I'd vote for Kass and Chrimi, but I'd rather kill werewolves atm (ie Kondi)

and I think the Om of the Nom ISO connection is enough, but I thought these quotes were fun too.

@Kass - I lmao when you randomly came in and said happy easter, and that was all.

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1 mafia vs 5 townsided people left

Do you surrender? I promise to treat you well.

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I replaced Space Pirate.

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The best self-hammer goes to Kodin the werewolf, who sharply changed his tone from I'm innocent to special-ops commander when informing his surviving buddy. MVP I think would be Slandaar. Too early for celebration?

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Also vote hopping isn't a scumtell, as long as you have even slight reasons for each vote, which slandaar seems to have.

But like Slandaar said, scum can fabricate reasons. How do you know all his reasons are genuine?

I'm starting to feel Thomith scum now. A lot of his posts involve him agreeing with Slandaar, yet he tries to distance himself from him by keeping him open as one of his viable lynches. If Slandaar flips town (which he most likely won't) I'm still betting on Thomith scum.

EDIT: Because now I'm trying to show you that I act the same way in all of my games, so 10 pages will be enough to meta me.

EDIT AGAIN: Doesn't make it not a scumtell either.

@v2v: I started playing mafia when I was 12. I just don't learn the fastest :V Plus my birthday is in March (22nd) and I started around August, so there isn't too much time in between.

@Thomith: I am not OMGUS'ing you at all. I think you are the one who is reaching instead of me. You are starting to sound like Slandaar's buttbuddy :V Agreeing with someone a couple of times is fine, but now it's just too much.


My vote currently being on kondi is doing nothing right now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Slandaar

Honestly, Chrimi feels like he is defending me because he genuinely thinks I am town, whereas you feel like you are doing it just for the sake of buddying.

But my point is that not giving examples isn't anti-town. Don't misrep what I'm saying.
Yeah, as I was going to say you also seem to do it for the sake of discrediting me.

How do any of you guys feel about a Thomith wagon?

Also I'm going to have to stop for the night. It's about 11PM now, and I'm really tired (been staying up till 3AM the past few nights).

Why are you assuming the read is mafia then?

Because I'm sure that that isn't something you'd say about a town read.

I still think Kass is town, and I also think Chrimi is town. I don't want to lynch either of them. Right now I want either a Thomith lynch or an Asher lynch.

LET'S GO DAY 2.
I AM REALLY HYPER NOW FOR NO REASON. ALSO I STARTED SCHOOL AGAIN TODAY SO I'LL BE LESS ACTIVE.

VOTE: Thomith
Going on yesterday's events, I still think you are scum (of some kind).

Wow, kondi basically just claimed werewolf.
First he suggests a hypoclaim (which isn't scummy in and of itself), but when vjay says he suspects kondi (which he has been saying all game) kondi blows it and overreacts with OMGUS (aka a tl;dr version of what asher said).
He's claiming seer to try and save his werewolf-ass, we need to lynch him now.
VOTE: kondi

Also Kass isn't a good lynch. He's town, though horrible at that. He's mislynch bait, and we don't want to waste any lynches on town. Methinks the vote on him at the end of the day was from scum (aka Thomith).

Chrimi seems less and less town with every post he makes.

VOTE: Chrimi
I'm 99% sure Chrimi is mafia. His actions so far have been highly suspicious and they give me bad vibes.
I'm pretty sure Thomith is his buddy.

Fine, if I can't get my Chrimi lynch then I can go for the next best thing.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith

I don't like the idea of Thomith hammering Chrimi. It leads me to believe Thomith is actually scum trying to get a Chrimi mislynch. And scum not making the next move may have to do with scum probably being on the wagon.

Damn, my brain is going a mile a minute and I don't really know where I stand with my reads now. I need some time to think this over.
UNVOTE:
For now.

After thinking it over, I'm still happy with my Thomith vote. I will lynch in order: Thomith, Fat_Tony (PoE says he's scum), Kass (His attacks against me are horrible, so despite my townread I may be able to be convinced to lynch him) and Chrimi (gut is saying town, but that may possibly be liable to change back to scum).
VOTE: Thomith

Basically Om of the Nom was fake-bussing his buddy, and when Chrimi actually got to L-1 he changed his vote to Thomith under the unrealistic situation of Chrimi not being lynched. That's all I really need to look at to lynch Chrimi before Thomith. Hope you guys see it too.

[BK201]

MVP for self claiming as seer?

#yearite

MVP for his engaging scum-hunting style.

[BK201]

Btw: Best way for town to lynch this game:

Everyone on Om's wagon is confirmed.

Lynch me, Thomith, and Fat_Tony

We have this game in the bag.

Wether I die or not, town wins. IDC about anything else from this point on ^.^

Could you at least take me last though? I'd like to be alive in one of my games >.>

I'd like to go you, then Fat_Tony, then Thomith.

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It was good, but his claim should've countered that by far.

And can we please switch it around? It won't change wether we win or lose.

Slaandar's posts were a huge reason I voted Om of the Nom. I mean even Om of the Nom's opening post where he posted reads was annihilated by Slaandar. Then he spat out good scum-hunting until is untimely death. I mean for day 1 that's pretty sick.

P-Edit:

As scum, I would never try and switch it around cause I'd still lose. I'd make up some bullshit why some people on Om's wagon are scum.

But you see, I am not scum, and I already know that I win this game. I'd just like to win a game ALIVE for once >.>

The only problem with that for me is that you're the most likely last scum.

[BK201]

#1000 post.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't... COULDN'T help it.

Noooooooooooooooooooo

[BK201]

but if I'm correct, we have to lynch you in order to win no matter what. :p

[BK201]

I'm telling you guys right now Thomith is one of the least scummiest to lynch. Please read my previous posts everyone who is not scum :p
The only other person I would consider voting today would be Fat_Tony, but I think the evidence against Chrimi is pretty damning. Well I g2g for now!

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BK - what makes me potential scum in your eyes? Please state your case. Also, why do you have a town read on Thomith? He seems to be everyone's number 2 suspect about now.

You're my number 2 because of PoE. Thomith was

heavily

opposed by OmNoms.

Finally, my reads from town down to scum:

1. Me (but only cos I've seen my role PM)
2. Andrew (because Asher was seer)
3. Kassadin (convinced he's just troll town. See conviction against Om)
4. BK (wouldn't be stunned if you were scum, you're trying to lead the game. Your posts look like scum hunting but are actually just quote walls with a line or two of basic logic. Could be a genuine hunting effort, could be a smokescreen)
5. Thomith (because a lot of your play throughout has felt off)
6. Chrimi (because damn.)

Just want to pat myself on the back for reading nearly 40 pages the same day I replaced in. I mini-quoted everything that I thought was important, and then just said what I thought. I quoted that stuff so I could look back on it, but also so you guys can see what main posts I am basing my reasoning off of. I'm not a fan of long-winded posts, and try to get right to the point.

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Knowing if the scum is

good

, then they were on the wagon of their scumbuddy. It

is

possible.

I don't think Kass is good enough to bus his buddy. Andrew is seer. and if I was maf I would have gone after anybody but OmNoms. For example if I was maf with OmNoms, that would make Chrimi town, and I could have voted for him instead.

It's 5-1 with no nightkill, so we have 4 strikes till were out. As long as Andrew takes me to LyLo town wins.

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Sorry. I have to say that everytime I read Thomith, I always think he's scum. It's just a feeling I get (from VM's game XD). As a side note though, you flipped town there right? Just for meta-ing.

@ Asher: my gut has served me very well in the past, as well as my metaing. I know how to use both. I'm not going to be right all the time, but more often than not.

When I bring up Thomith's meta, it's because he's playing fairly similar to that previous game. The fact that he flipped town in that one gives me a gut town read. Also, POE is another way of scumhunting, and something I've been trying to integrate to my skillset.

Regarding pressure, I believe it's you being short-sighted. Well not short-sighted, but more not considering both sides of the coin. Sure pressure can be imposed in the long term by questioning statements made, but why wait for that when you can pressure now? Furthermore, shouldn't early pressure provide you with more ammunition for late pressure as scum crack and flail?

These two posts are soft-defending Thomith.

But why would Tony say that he knew? That's a connection that goes under my too convenient to be scummy cabinet. Like sort of how some people are too scummy to actually be scum, if that makes sense. Tony is null for me atm.

Well I have scumreads that I personally believe are stronger than Tony at the moment.

These two are soft-defending Tony.

I can't decide which is worse.

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VOTE: Chrimi

WE HIT TURBULENCE. XD

Placing the RVS on your scum buddy. Not so uncommon.

Also vote hopping isn't a scumtell, as long as you have even slight reasons for each vote, which slandaar seems to have.

But like Slandaar said, scum can fabricate reasons. How do you know all his reasons are genuine?

I'm starting to feel Thomith scum now. A lot of his posts involve him agreeing with Slandaar, yet he tries to distance himself from him by keeping him open as one of his viable lynches. If Slandaar flips town (which he most likely won't) I'm still betting on Thomith scum.

EDIT: Because now I'm trying to show you that I act the same way in all of my games, so 10 pages will be enough to meta me.

EDIT AGAIN: Doesn't make it not a scumtell either.

@v2v: I started playing mafia when I was 12. I just don't learn the fastest :V Plus my birthday is in March (22nd) and I started around August, so there isn't too much time in between.

@Thomith: I am not OMGUS'ing you at all. I think you are the one who is reaching instead of me. You are starting to sound like Slandaar's buttbuddy :V Agreeing with someone a couple of times is fine, but now it's just too much.


My vote currently being on kondi is doing nothing right now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Slandaar

Also how is not giving examples to make you unable to defend yourself anti-town? If that's true, than you are scum by having a gut read on me which is impossible to defend against.

Note: The above does not mean I am deliberately not giving you examples.

EDIT: Well then Chrimi is scum then isn't he?

Honestly, Chrimi feels like he is defending me because he genuinely thinks I am town, whereas you feel like you are doing it just for the sake of buddying.

This is a strong indicator of OmNoms soft-defending Chrimi.(he was talking to Thomith still btw)

Why are you assuming the read is mafia then?

Because I'm sure that that isn't something you'd say about a town read.

null read can go either way. It still doesn't make me a def. town or def. scum read.

Because it didn't sound like something he'd say if I were a town read. Plus I completely forgot about null reads existing :V

It's not my fault my memory is bad.

You're just biased and are twisting everything I do to make it look scummy.

How would I know whether or not he was actually calling me scum in the first place?

But it wasn't "OMG IM NOT SCUM," it was "So wait, does that mean you think I am scum?"

No, Chrimi is town because his posts feel town motivated.

More soft-defense of Chrimi.

That whole Thomith interaction is too real to be maf v maf. Going to stick by Chrimi first, then Fat_Tony, then Thomith, then Kass.

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Dang...I was considering giving in to your appeal to emotion(basically felt for ya since u wanted to finally finish a game alive), that's why I went back and looked again, but Om did buddy u hard. Well, gg Chrimi.

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Ugh what is this? OOTN sounds like a cornered townie

imo

. Slandaar's pressure is good, but it's coming close to confirmation bias imo. I played with him before and the meta is fairly similar, which is null, but gut gives me a slight town read.

@ Mod: could we get kondi in here please? Thank you.

Thomith, your sig. Best song ever. Regarding the game,

I'm guessing

you're insinuating OOTN - newbscum?

OOTN still is cornered townie lashing out at his attackers. Also, I believe that he was wrong about knowing your meta, but has no space to back down.

Chrimi, I was going to say you would play better if you stopped posting like everybody you talk to is 12. Then I remembered your actually quite close to that age yourself X.X

But why would Tony say that he knew? That's a connection that goes under my too convenient to be scummy cabinet. Like sort of how some people are too scummy to actually be scum, if that makes sense. Tony is

null

for me

atm

.

Well I have scumreads that I

personally

believe are stronger than Tony

at the moment

.

Preview Edit -

BK is scum.

Stuff about considering to give in to my appeal... It's a scum saying "Oh I was thinking of unvoting..."...

Lol you were doing AtE hard mang. and considering we have 4 strikes I was honestly seeing if I could convince myself to vote fat tony or thomith before you. Unfortunately for you Om made you look the worse. I mean what the hell was that chim is at L-1 I better unvote him! Anyways, dw we got this.

When the Sun rises without setting, I'm going to vote Fat_Tony. The bolded+large words are my emphasis.

[BK201]

VOTE: Fat_Tony

[BK201]

VOTE: thomith

[BK201]

Not sure, but I know the lynch is locked in.

[BK201]

How'd you guys know Thomith was scum?

[BK201]

Hm I wasn't sure OmNoms would distance that much with Thomith, but Vjays 2 posts I quoted should have been more obvious to us.

[BK201]

GG town, werewolves, and even the scum.

[BK201]

Not heaps...But I really am positive that Slandaar is lying about his role.

This post is probably why the wolves mauled you. gj getting mauled for the team.

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You people don't realize that notes take SERIOUS TIME to create. Doing things such as jumping on a wagon or making this post take about a minute, but my notes are going to take MUCH LONGER than that.

VOTE: kondi

Partner, take my reads list in the QT and put it in numbered order. Kill #9 tonight. #7 and 8 are quite obviously Mafia, and #4, 5, and 6 are where the last Mafia lies, in no particular order. #2 and 3 are Town. Reveal all of these reads if you die before the Mafia do, because they deserve help if they get us killed.

I like the transition between these two posts. It's like you took off your mask and changed your personality. Kondi deserves best self-hammer.

[BK201]

lol did you even have "notes"?

[BK201]

I lol'd at all the Seer claiming this game.