Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[Vi]

vote Yosarian2

I know

.

I agree with Yosarian2.

Vote: Yosarian2

(L-5)

----

But seriously--

Unvote: Yosarian2
Vote: kanyeknowsbest

(L-5)

[Vi]

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[Vi]

Code: Select all

[countdown]2012-06-06 12:00:00[/countdown]

(over a month for deadlines?)

Also

Vote: kanyeknowsbest

(L-6) again

[Vi]

what the hell is going on? how comes I'm with 4 votes already in RVS?

I don't see a problem here; do you?~

[Vi]

well dunno usually wagons this big don't build during RVS~

Oh, but you seem to think this is RVS~

[Vi]

Oh, like this?

Unvote: kanyeknowsbest
Vote: shos

(L-2)

[Vi]

None of those votes look random to me.

[Vi]

none of them seem to have a reason behind them.

Yet they're pushing you up as the best candidate for a lynch. In fact, that's what I'm doing too.~

[Vi]

If you think shos is scum, but do not wish to vote him, what do you propose we do with the rest of the Day?

[Vi]

I'm not against this. Carry on, wayward

T

I

G

E

R

.

Cut (by Parama): Well that pretty much wraps this up.
Can we lynch shos now and come back to drawing the game out D2 while we wait to lynch Parama?

Cut again:

Vi, do *you* think I'm scum for my posts so far? sounds like you do.

I see no reason to believe otherwise.

Also in re: your picture: Why not both?

[Vi]

this is Vi we're talking about
not trolling

One of us doesn't know me very well brb soul-searching to see if it's me

[Vi]

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

Actually my vote on you is quite serious. Why shouldn't you be lynched?

[Vi]

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

Actually my vote on you is quite serious. Why shouldn't you be lynched?

cuz I'm a town member?

oh ok

shut up clive

tell the tiger to get back on the wagon

...
-BETTER IDEA-

Unvote: shos
Vote: Parama

(L-4)

[Vi]

Shut up and vote Parama.

aka:

"Come with me if you want to live."

by my count shos is already voting paramathrd

Now seriously why are you all voting Parama and not the Ninja?

UN promised me babies.

Classy

babies.

[Vi]

So, a self vote, a "I hope this town is going to lose" post, followed by unvote and going back to the wagon. Riiiiggght.

Vote: Parama

Yos2 gets it.

[Vi]

also I'm worried about Vi. VI YOU SCUM [COLLOQUIAL PRONOUN]???

LOLNO Y U BE HATIN

I mean, I could be more obviously Town than I already am right now, but etc.

[Vi's Parama vote]

seems like jumping on a wagon as well.

lol no
i had no idea how many voats paramathrd had at the time

Where the hell is everyone.

When you work on salary, sometimes you get 9.5-hour days while half the building goes home happy.

So what's happened since I've left has been pretty blanket stupid, primarily because it has involved people jumping off the Parama wagon based on being bad at Mafia.

Cut by Yos2, will read momentarily.

[Vi]

Myew. On the one hand UN Owen looks worse than he did the last time I checked the thread; on the other hand, it's not nearly enough to make Parama something other than the right move Today.

Nuwen is pulling shit out of her ass. Keep the shit in your ass, Nuwen.

I'm sure there's a good explanation for this kind of response, and I'd love to know what it is.

[Vi]

MY PLAN TO GET THE WAGON OFF ME HAS WORKED

MWAHAHAHA

:applause:

[Vi]

This Parama wagon isn't supposed to be just me :/ At present I don't endorse any other wagon.

[Vi]

What exactly is he case on Parama, again?

He made posts that sounded opportunistic when shos was being wagoned.

Don't forget the claiming scum part.

[Vi]

Vi, why did you wait until 52 to vote shos? Why not vote in 48?

I think Vi is scum. She has done nothing but push easy lynches on Shos and Parama, who, despite her claims, is not obvscum.

Are you so retarded to miss that I was using the shos wagon for pressure?
All of my posts had pretty strong undertones that I was trying to get a rise out of him.

[Vi]

So you're still pushing a lynch on Parama for no reason? That's the main reason I'm voting you.

And what if I was?

And what did you get from all your "shos pressure"? He's still flailing as much as ever, but you've dropped all mention of him.

One would think that the answer to this question should be obvious.

[Vi]

So you're still pushing a lynch on Parama for no reason? That's the main reason I'm voting you.

And what if I was?

Then I'm voting you because it's scummy.

And, so we're on the same page, do you really think I'm "pushing a lynch on" Parama (because I'm a septuplevoter evidently) for "no reason"?

[Vi]

What exactly is he case on Parama, again?

He made posts that sounded opportunistic when shos was being wagoned.

Don't forget the claiming scum part.

that was obviously a joke

that scum make statistically more often

[Vi]

@mod: charter is voting for me, and not Parama, because he is Bad at Townie

[Fixed. - spring]

Someone who is Good at Townie: shos

[Vi]

Nuwen's posts made me smile.
Except for like everyone she wants to lynch.
And how I apparently misread her post as talking about "competent,

attractive

people".

I'd like for one of the many people pretending to know what they're doing to explain why we're not lynching Parama.

[Vi]

Look at all the options you have now, Yos:

-

<Yos2 is Town>

-

<Yos2 is Town>

<-- here's where you're at
-

<Yos2 is Scum>

<-- you might be here too *shrug*
or, -

<Yos2 backs off of you>

<-- the smart option... if you're town that is

Vi, the reason I'm not voting Parama is because

<reason that has nothing to do with Parama>

And

<that reason, which as shown above evidently leaves room for doubt is>

for killin.

I'm just saiyan.

--

charter, are you scum, or are you just acting like it?

[Vi]

I'm town, you know that.

I can certainly grant that in the past you have tunneled on me for the most retarded reasons and made unbearably scummy posts as Town.
But you've also done it as scum too, so I thought I'd check.

[Vi]

Yes Regis, I'd like to call in a Lifeline:

charter, am I acting how I acted in Mini 1318?

second question: is the above question WIFOM?

This must be from that crappy revised version of the show. That doesn't look like Phone-A-Friend at all.

Hey Qwilfish, do you have a stance on Parama other than/beyond "he's doing scummy things but I'm totally not going to vote him"?

[Vi]

I'm not voting

[Parama]

now because it's

not worth the effort

.

vote nuwen

because she's scum go go go

Nuwen (1): Quilford
Parama (

[what could be

2

]

): Vi,

are you seriously implying that you suck this much at mafia

if you are then that's okay, you can join a handful of other people itt

Unvote; Vote: shos

shos/Parama/Chiarosicada, anyone?

after you play for a while

you'll wind up in a bunch of scenarios where you make a list and then vote for the only townie on the list, and then go back to square one only to find postgame that the rest of your list was correct

this is probably going to be one of those

--

also why is vezokparamathrd not only still alive, but virtually not-voted-for

[Vi]

Unvote; Vote: shos

shos/Parama/Chiarosicada, anyone?

after you play for a while

you'll wind up in a bunch of scenarios where you make a list and then vote for the only townie on the list, and then go back to square one only to find postgame that the rest of your list was correct

this is probably going to be one of those

You think Parama/Chiaro are scum but not shos?

Basically.

[Vi]

This post is me checking in to tell people to vote Parama; everything else since my previous post has been entirely superfluous.

I mean really, no one is saying that a Parama vote is a bad thing even as they pursue their worse votes.

[Vi]

I'm not voting

[Parama]

now because it's

not worth the effort

.

vote nuwen

because she's scum go go go

Nuwen (1): Quilford
Parama (

[what could be

2

]

): Vi,

are you seriously implying that you suck this much at mafia

if you are then that's okay, you can join a handful of other people itt

i just wanted to vote nuwen

vi comes across looking like scum trying too hard here...

quilford comes across as "hay dude it is what it is. deal."





Bad Vi. Bad. Don't make me get out the spatula.

are you seriously implying that you suck this much at mafia

i mean seriously

can you not see how many people such as quilford are, for bullshit reasons, not voting parama

ps keeping your vote on shos would be answering the first line "yes"

[Vi]

Is there any possible way under the sun that Yosarian is scum?

Additionally, would you be willing to switch to a Chiaro wagon?

It's possible. I haven't been worried about Yos2 tbh.

At this time I would not be willing to switch to a Chiaroscada wagon because it's not a Paramathrd wagon.
If C were so scummy, P wouldn't have been so quick to jump off to shos.

[Vi]

If Quilford flips scum, kanye is his buddy.

kanye is probscum regardless of Quilford's alignment.

Not feeling like taking the Quilbait atm.

[Vi]

If Quilford flips scum, kanye is his buddy.

kanye is probscum regardless of Quilford's alignment.

Not feeling like taking the Quilbait atm.

You know you want to. 1 & done it.

I kind of want to, but at the same time, I kind of don't. I'm starting to be a little more willing to compromise on Paramathrd because that wagon's kind of not happening, but I'm not up to making that compromise wagon Qwilfish.

Incidentally, Quilford replaced out of Neruzian Era under sketchy conditions as well, and was Town in that game.

[Vi]

Alright, Chiaro is scum. That makes Parama probably town.

Well, no, actually.

Chiarosicada is probably one of the wagons I would consider supporting though.

[Vi]

I feel the need to comment again on how stupid this shos lynch is.

[Vi]

Unvote: Parama
Vote: kanyeknowsbest

(L-5)

It would be criminal not to after this page. Plus he's less entertaining than Parama.

[Vi]

Kanye has no reason to diligently tunnel on the Quilford slot as scum, with so much other fucking fodder in this game.

Quiford/Elmo is probably scum, you are probably scum. Parama is pretty iffy too. Nuwen, Vi, and Charter look town-ish, although it's too early to be too confident on any of them. Kanye looks pretty townish.

I would make a joke about French hallucinogens here if I knew anything about them.

[Vi]

Well, can you explain why you think Kanye is scum, Vi? I really don't see it at all.

The unmitigated opportunism, the utter lack of Towniness, the

being scum

, etc.

[Vi]

If Kanye is town who thinks Quilford is scum, then I would expect him to call out people who are likely scum buddies of him; not vote them until after Quilford flips, that's not smart, but calling out potential buddies of your main suspect while your main suspect is still alive makes a lot of sense as an information gathering method.

I'm pretty sure that this isn't true, regardless of if it's your M.O. ITT.

Now, if you wanted to look like you were lining up a backup lynch, then etc.

[Vi]

so youre acknowledging that quilford is scum then? it wouldnt be much of a backup lynch based on him being a scumbuddy if the first one didnt flip scum after all.

How much do you want to bet that, regardless of if or how Quilford flips, Yos2 will go after UberNinja as soon as Quilford stops becoming an attractive lynch target?

I wouldn't care so much except the quality of Yos2's reads ITT is seemingly-intentionally poor and UberNinja is pretty likely to be Town.

[Vi]

so youre acknowledging that quilford is scum then? it wouldnt be much of a backup lynch based on him being a scumbuddy if the first one didnt flip scum after all.

How much do you want to bet that, regardless of if or how Quilford flips, Yos2 will go after UberNinja as soon as Quilford stops becoming an attractive lynch target?

Well, yes, I was pretty clear about UN being my other main suspect. I was suspicious of UN before I was suspicious of Quilford; UN is incredibly scummy independent of Quilford/Elmo's alignment.

So what I said.

I wouldn't care so much except the quality of Yos2's reads ITT is seemingly-intentionally poor and UberNinja is pretty likely to be Town.

...ok, that one you're going to have to explain to me. How could anyone think UN of all people is plausably town here?

I have to say I am really starting to wonder about the quality of your reads here, Vi. You still haven't explained why Kanye is likely to be scum.

Because GUT! >:-D

That and I've already explained the kanye part.

[Vi]

Well, can you explain why you think Kanye is scum, Vi? I really don't see it at all.

The unmitigated opportunism, the utter lack of Towniness, the

being scum

, etc.

Because neither of those posts contain any actual reasons or explanations of any kind. "He's scum because he's scum" is not an answer; and I don't get "opportunism" charge at all considering how early he joined the Quil wagon.

It's weird that I feel like I have to pull teeth to get an answer out of you about this; this is the third time I've had to ask you, and still nothing. Considering how committed you were on lynching Parama earlier in the game, I'd assume you wouldn't leave the Parama wagon unless you had an even stronger suspicion on someone else, but you seem oddly reluctant to even talk about Kanye at all here, even while you're voting him.

Because I'm surprised that there's a giant chain of fools that doesn't get it.

kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford. Okay, whatever. kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford

while the coast was clear

. Nothing else for anyone, and not even posting while other lynchees are being talked about. That is opportunism.

That I don't buy the bulk of his case on Quilford (the strongest point being the Amished tell, which I'm choosing to set aside in this particular instance) is gravy.

[Vi]

Right now, I think we should be lynching Chiaro. Those who have him as number two should switch over to him. In case no one has noticed, he's entered lurkmode. I would also go for a Vi lynch. I'd settle for UN or Nuwen if one of those becomes cool.

We need a "tch" emote.

Fake edit: We have one.

Unvote: kanyeknowsbest
Vote: Chiarosicada

(L-3)

[Vi]

Also so many people are in not-Town lurkmode that it frankly - I'm trying to find a polite way of saying it pisses me off but it's not coming out right now.

[Vi]

ehh I sort of have finals next week
you can take a guess as to why I'm not as active as I should be
(hint: i'm procrastinating)

doesnt that mean you should be posting here

[Vi]

but why would you procrastinate mafia

hmmmmmmmmm

[Vi]

I mean as Town it's pretty easy.

1) Go online
2) Skim thread
3) Yell at people who don't have any clue what they're doing
4) Repeat
5) Lose

[optional]

[Vi]

Not liking my reread of Furcolow: just noticed all his votes and cases have piled up on running wagons.

#43 fourth vote on the shos wagon
#114 is a parrot of my #80 (and second vote on UN)
#197 is the third vote again on the shos wagon
#312 is the fourth vote on the Quilford/Elmo wagon

Any thoughts on this?

Eh. That's only really scummy if all three of those guys are town, and that doesn't seem all that likely.

well_actually_trollcat.png

@mod: Please make me a ten-shot dayvig

New rule added: If you find that is necessary to insult another player, you must do it in French using a food related expression. Swearing is ok, but swearing in french is recommended.

You rat... You cheese-eating rat! If you didn't have sponge cake for brains I wouldn't be able to forgive what a piece of slime you've turned into!

[Vi]

@VI: what is the case against chiaro? I just went through thr whole thread and there really is nothing I could mark against him. I remember weakly certain stuff people said but I didn't agree with them. so if anyone can give me a case on him, I'll be glad to respond.

Chiarosicada has been largely passive and lurky up until now. All the scummy Townies can argue each other in a circle all Day long, and if the scum can skirt by along the side, so be it.

Spoiler: If I were that ten-shot daywig UberNinja would be one of the people I would leave alive.

shos, I'll trade you a kanye vote for your UberNinja vote.

[Vi]

Unvote: Chiarosicada

This vote has served its purpose.

Vote: kanyeknowsbest

(L-I don't even know because we don't get vote counts often enough)

Would vote any of {kanye, Parama, Yos2} Today.

Damn, Parama, are you scum this game?

yes

[Vi]

Vi, you're making me increasingly nervous here. Are you sure you're not scum this game?

I believe that's my line.

[Vi]

Imagine that, Chiaro's suspects are those that are voting them?

So then what does that make him?

I initially wanted to make a smart remark but this is actually not a bad question.

[Vi]

Vi, you're making me increasingly nervous here. Are you sure you're not scum this game?

I believe that's my line.

Yeah. I was willing to put up with your weird attack on Charter earlier in the game; you might not know his playstyle well enough to know that the way he attacked you is his town play. I was willing to give you some rope with your series of increasingly bizzare and unexplained gut reads that seem to be totally the opposite of everything that makes sense to me. Randomly throwing me in your scumlist for no reason bugs me, I have to admit, but even that I can understand; I know I tend to make some people a little paranoid.

But the point where you pretended someone was at lynch -1 when he was nowhere close, probably in order to trick him into a premature claim, is really pushing you to the end of the "vi is a good player, let's let her run wild for a while and see what happens" slack I was giving you.

yos look

ive played with charter before
he tunnels on me beyond explanation in every game

ever

so it very much does set me off because i forgot about it until he started it ITT

--

youre not "randomly" in my scumlist because

lol

you want to lynch SHOS

and UBERNINJA

like, my two strongest town reads

they BLEED town

plus youre trying to say I'M scummy for acting weird and useless

but parama nope nothing

and the funny thing is hes actually useless

--

i mean i expected better reads from you, but i also expected literacy

L-I should not look like L-1 to you, especially when what follows it looks a whole lot like a sentence

so really

nothing youve done so far looks town

and i know you dont look town normally but youre pretty evidently going in a lot of wrong directions

---
~~
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I'm leaning towards both Uber and Yos being town. Uber for a myriad of terrible reasons, the latest is how he's trying to paint Yos's lack of careful reading as scummy when there's no way Yos can purposefully being pushing this to gain an advantage as scum. And leaning Yos town for the same reason and the "case" on him is quite terrible.

add charter to my town reads for this post

How does this make him town? I think quite the opposite.

it depends on whether yos and kim jong-UN are actually both town, probably

which requires yos2 be town

either way not that interested in charter atm

[Vi]

Wait, what? What on earth makes you think I would want to lynch *shos* of all people? He's really looking town here, and I certainly haven't attacked him. You have me confused with someone else here?

...
:/

plus youre trying to say I'M scummy for acting weird and useless

Eh. Your reads have been really weird. You're attacking people who look town and defending people who look like scum, you're not really explaining yourself on most of it, and I don't get what you're doing with any of it.

P. sure I've explained everything, unless I missed something (and I don't think I have).
Whether you like or approve of the explanations is a different matter.

Parama has been really useless, yeah, that's why I listed him as my #3 suspect. I really have no idea how to read him here.

"with rope"

L-I should not look like L-1 to you,

especially when what follows it looks a whole lot like a sentence

but it's frankly just luck that that comment of yours didn't cause a premature claim.

I'm trying to find a more articulate response to this than "psssh" but I'm out of time for the Night and that sums it up.

I need to look over this game again.

[Vi]

Me, charter, Furcolow, shos, Elmo, and Vi should form a team and vote for people all together.
I don't trust Vi as much as the other three but if we all vote together... great things'll happen.

This is a reasonable bloc.
"Vote with us or get voted on" doesn't work, though, especially with this question: Who is the "we" deciding who gets lynched?

Or, never mind that question and try this one. Who do you want lynched that these people are most likely to agree to?

Or, never mind that question and let me get back to this after I put dinner in the oven.

[Vi]

Hey Yos, do you really think that The UNcola would be THAT hypocritical as scum?

[Vi]

Hey Yos, do you really think that The UNcola would be THAT hypocritical as scum?

Is that why you think he's town, because you don't think anyone could possibly be this scummy as scum?

Quite the opposite; while there's something to be said for him being wrong or inflammatory I don't think he has been particularly scummy at all.

At this point, I'm pretty sure UN is willing to say anything, no matter how absurd, illogical, or obviously wrong, in order to attack me. And no, I don't think that's a town tell.

Actually this MIGHT be a Town tell.

[Vi]

I also think the "voting block" is a cheap way of hiding a buddy among the crowd. The supposed "let's force scum to vote with us" can't work without a flip, and also tampers with possible voting analysis. Perfect environment to frame other players.

I'm not quite sure what the second part of this accusation is, except wildly overblown.
TBH "wildly overblown" kind of sums up my opinion of all things UberNinja.

Caveat: If UberNinja does for some reason flip scum then the "hiding a buddy" part starts to sound very appealing.

[Vi]

I throw my hands up in the air sometimes
saying "Hey, Yos - gotta let go"

What say we not lynch the person who's annoying and actually lynch the kanye or Parama who are scum?

Cut:

Vi, you think Yos is scum right?

:/
...
I'm undecided. I'd rather lynch etc.

[Vi]

I also think the "voting block" is a cheap way of hiding a buddy among the crowd. The supposed "let's force scum to vote with us" can't work without a flip, and also tampers with possible voting analysis. Perfect environment to frame other players.

I'm not quite sure what the second part of this accusation is, except wildly overblown.
TBH "wildly overblown" kind of sums up my opinion of all things UberNinja.

Caveat: If UberNinja does for some reason flip scum then the "hiding a buddy" part starts to sound very appealing.

Wait, "if I how could I flip scum? I thought I was "one of your top two town reads"...

you wouldn't

let them

lynch me, would you?

"Let them", if I'm not mistaken, would be literally unprecedented.
"Join them in", on the other hand, is always an option.

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either way(getting to the point here), one of the stuff there was that if someone catches you on something, don't defend yourself; throw a bone as a defense, but more dedicate the post to pretended scumhunting, to redirect attention and to prevent yourself getting cornered.

This, aka how not to get lynched, is actually good play regardless of alignment tbh.

[Vi]

kanye just explained why, again, not that it really needed to be said.

And that explanation looks fake; see below for an example:

my vote is not moving until elmo is lynched. hes caught fucking scum and im not letting him get away sorry!

Not to mention I've already pointed out that Quilford has replaced out as scummy Town as well.

The Elmo lynch honestly looks like Lynch All Bad Players.

--

You guys I much prefer Yosarian.

You don't get this whole "alliance" thing, do you.

--

I'm tired of

[Vi's]

defenses, honestly,

...I've defended myself? I know I don't remember anything for longer than 24 hours but I'm pretty sure I haven't done much of that.

--

I would be willing to reconsider my Quil read, Elmo, but the problem is your play has really been just as bad.

"You know, I think you're approaching a point where I would have to back off on my scum read, but I'm going to preclude that by holding this offense over your head."

--

I'm ambivalent on Nuwen. I'm reading a lot of personality from her, but I disagree with a lot of what she has put into the thread (in decent part because she has been trying to chain UberNinja+Elmo like it's a sure thing).

I would have many fewer misgivings about, say, kanye or Parama. I would prefer to lynch one of them.

[Vi]

reread my 4 posts again(goddammit, will anyone, please, for omlette fu fromage's sake, respond to them?).

Which posts are these? Sorry, you must have wound up on my Foe list.

[Vi]

Chiaro+++
Nuwen+++
Furcolow++
charter
Yos


Are simply scum:
Kanye,
Uberninja

shos, I'm happy for ya, I'mma let you finish, but pragmatically speaking the only reads that matter are the ones that are up for debate. It's good that you have reasons for your reads and you should keep them in your back pocket for later (it's so easy to forget what tipped you off two weeks ago), but arguing about how many +s Chiarosicada should have or whether Furcolow should be on the Town read list won't do much because it just doesn't matter. It will matter when someone brings either of them up in the context of "should we lynch this person", at which time you can present why/not.

For right now: I'd recommend you swap your vote to that other person who Is Simply Scum. I don't agree with your list per se but I think I've already hit the high points of why; I would like for you to take what I've said into consideration.

[Vi]

well last time I checked Uberninja has 4 votes on him. so as my top scum read, I think it does matter you know. I provided like a thousand reasons to vote him, which everybody just seems to have ignored; what I am trying to do here is to raised the discussion about Ninja. I've already noted how he is very good at distracting, but as of now it just seems that nobody is even willing to discuss him.

Post 573 and Post 578.

[Vi]

Actually, reading through Elmo, there

is

something out of place that catches my eye.

:/

[Vi]

Not to mention I've already pointed out that Quilford has replaced out as scummy Town as well.

do you have a link to this? i doubt it will do much to change my read on the slot but ill look at it.

Right here. Quilford does a great job of ruining my day by

not

playing games with me.

just ISOed parma to see his posts from that post till now - they were only one-liners-style posts, nothing serious. so I didn't miss anything~

I would definitely say you missed something.

I'm pretty sure I don't see what kanye is getting at here.

[Vi]

I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectively

when we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with

.

<image macro with the word "wat" goes here>

If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.

How many times have you seen this done?

[Vi]

The way I see it, Day one is for information gathering. The shortest the day is, the least interactions there will be. This benefits the scum because they can get the night through with a low informative kill. And basically, we're left in a very similar position to the one we started on Day One if such thing happens.

Let me come back to this.

In the meantime, I think we're getting to a point where this Day is becoming a waste of time.

--

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I'm pretty sure this isn't how it works, although you got the important caveat in that stabbing friends in the back for being Traitors is commonplace with these mottos.

Lynch who you think is scummy and darn who's on the wagon.

To answer your other question, I'm more the type of person who would join a bloc until I decided I wanted off. Which defeats the purpose.

--

IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum : /

I'd love to hear this one.

--

oh I forgot, what did I miss

[in Parama's posts in isolation]

?

The fact that if you don't see any content in their iso, especially relative to the number of posts, that that's what people call "scummy".

[Vi]

I'm getting the impression that I'm not going to like any lynch we make Today. I'm not sure what to do tbh.

VOTE FOR RENT

[Vi]

I have a feeling Nuwen is just stupid, not scum. No offense. At least, not too much intended.

Actually, Nuwen's play here reminds me of JDodge-scum. Lurky while attempting to shove lynches through while being about as in-theory helpful as JDodge ever can be. She's certainly not stupid, at any rate.

Vote yoinked out of rent.

Vote: Nuwen

(L-4)

I appreciate the Yos2 offer but if we're consolidating, etc.

[Vi]

Vi, I expect better of you if you're town. If any of the above flip scum I really don't have a choice but to turn onto you next; your reads on UN are unexplained and short, non-committal style. You've avoided saying more than a few words like "gut" about his player slot.

And if UberNinja flips scum then I will deal with that when it happens.
UberNinja is playing proactively and without giving a frick about who cares, which is Towntastic.
Or for lack of a more concise way of putting it, GUT! >:-D

In the meantime I can paraphrase the core of your argument as "he's scum because he has the leading wagon because he's scum".

The wagon on Yos is crapscum flailing about. While I can't read Yos himself this early in the game

I dunno, it seems pretty easy to me.~

---

Nuwen is once again resorting to bullying now that her name has come up. Trying to scare people into doing what she wants with the threat of "blacklisting" (I'm sure we're all terrified) you if you don't do what she wants.

Oh I'm not thrilled. And I think she could fake what I'm hesitant on her about, namely going out of her way with the Hebrew bit. But I don't immediately see a scum motive for doing so.

I

do

see a scum motive for a post like kanye 722 though, but evidently that wagon's not going to happen so freaking etc.

[Vi]

I

do

see a scum motive for a post like kanye 722 though, but evidently that wagon's not going to happen so freaking etc.

the intent behind this is nuwen doing something similar to this as scum in a game i just played with her.

Lynx plz

[Vi]

I

do

see a scum motive for a post like kanye 722 though, but evidently that wagon's not going to happen so freaking etc.

the intent behind this is nuwen doing something similar to this as scum in a game i just played with her.

Lynx plz

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3948456 specifically #645 to 647. the whole mechanic aspect and messaging the mod part and being public about it reminded me of that. on rereading it its not as similar as i thought but i was still reminded of it. regardless, nuwens response is the one that i would have expected spring to give and im not sure where i stand on this now.

Fair, then.

[Vi]

Why the fuck am I getting a "Nuwen + Vi = scum" vibe from this post.

why

I don't know, why is Viscum voting Nuwenscum as a counterwagon to UberNinjaevidentlyTown?

[Vi]

I think kanye is saying you have something to say.

I get the impression that "Extreme Rules" is something that's more fun to imagine what it would be about than to actually know what it is.~

[Vi]

yet you agree with an "alliance" comprised of those players

[uberninja, furcolow, charter, shos, vi]

+ yourself?

...actually he's just talking about this :/

[Vi]

hmm

I suppose shos is probtown
Uber's totally town

Pirate's still scum

carry on then

I have no idea how you do this. Please teach me.

[Vi]

Screw it. I continually fail to see how Yosarian can have a town read on Nuwen. It either boils down to they are scumbuddies, or Yos is aiming for townpoints because Nuwen is town.

Either way, I am pretty sure he can see the difference between what Nuwen said "Vote UN or you're blacklisted" and what he paraphrased.

Unvote, Vote Yosarian

In all fairness, people have been failing to see how I have any read on anyone all Day.
But I think it's more interesting that I could paraphrase Yos2 761 with "I don't have anything to say so I'm going to make a nice-looking throwaway post that upholds the status quo without actually saying anything".

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

Unvote: Nuwen
Vote: Yosarian2

(L-5)

[Vi]

You should probably stop your active lurking and give some reads on people because so far you've been even more useless than ddidin and he didn't post but five times.

My reads right now are that I think roughly 75% of the players in this game may be scum, and no read on the other 25%

Yeah, I think I'll continue active lurking unless you want DARTBOARD reads.

Proposition: Vote with a wagon and see if you like it.

Specifically: A good wagon.

For example: The wagon I'm on.

Open invitation and etc.

[Vi]

Charter, why are you scum this game? :<

I swear it's like people are diving out in front of each other to be not-Town. (referring to Parama)

And...you're voting me because...I'm "upholding the status quo"?

Well Shea needs the validation.

There's a giant

tigre bianca

in the room with your 778, and it's that you're doing the same thing Nuwen is - forcing UberNinja-scum down as a premise of your entire argument.

look at UN's bandwagoning again. this is what, the 5th person he's voting already?

spoiler: this is not scummy

I'd agree with what you said if it were say 2 days away and someone called Pirate Chemist wasn't in this game.
Shos mentioning me as the compromise lynch in particular at this point in time just strikes to me as odd. May have to do with brain fried due to studying (physics should go die), but overall does not give me a good feeling.

*lowest-content poster in the game
*replaces even-lower content poster
*tries to push policy lynch off on one of two other contenders for lowest-content posters

[Vi]

Has anyone played with Katsuki before? Is he always completely useless, or just as scum?

I've heard both tbh.

Either way, the problem should go away if we can get Fate to replace in.

[Vi]

Yosarian is a terrible lynch. Show me a guilty and MAYBE I'll listen. He's more valuable to the town than ten of anything else in this game.

dat hyperbole

@Vi: when I noted the many votes of UN, it should more be in context with the 'Y U VOTE WITH NO CASE AGAIN AND AGN' that I threw at UN.

More likely to be scummy, but probably not in this case.

Town card totally revoked

[on shos]

, nvm what I said earlier, that's scum gloating.

Uh, no, that's not at all correct; did you even read my post 778? My whole point was that Nuwen's play makes no sense coming from hypo-Nuwen-scum no matter if UN is town or scum. In fact, if UN is town, then it makes even less sense; I REALLY wouldn't expect scum-Nuwen to make such a big deal about forcing through a town wagon in such a loud and visible way in a situation where it already looked like it was happening anyway, and where the really weren't even any other viable wagons.

But I certainly would. It fits her personality well.

I am going back through to ISO all of these players (both simultaneously) and see what I can see. I'm not going to do 3 at once because that's stupid. But I can draw connections well enough based on 2 players, so here are the possible scum pairs, and I will give my thoughts on each along with the likelihood, when I get the chance.

...
I don't even know why I'm doing this anymore.

Someone please tell me this game isn't going to be a complete waste of time.
The scum aren't getting lynched in part because the Townies are doing their best to attract votes for themselves.

[Vi]

The scum aren't getting lynched in part because the Townies are doing their best to attract votes for themselves.

No, the scum aren't getting lynched because you and charter, both of whom are likely town here, are consistently refusing to lynch anyone who actually looks scummy because of WIFOM nonsense. There was a brief part early in the game when you were actually voting someone scummy (Parama), and Charter attacked you for it. Since then, you and charter have both been consistently attacking anyone who votes for anyone who looks scummy, and it's brought this whole game to a screeching halt.

I would ask if you want a Parama wagon, but I know better.

Then again, with Katsuki and Pirate Chemist and some other person being nonentities requiring a wagon of seven out of ten would make any lynch difficult.

All the same, I'm holding to UberNinja being Town. Or is there something I'm fundamentally not getting somewhere?

[Vi]

If this flips scum I know who's the first to die tomorrow.

Such an unusually strong yet terribly vague statement.~

[Vi]

If this flips scum I know who's the first to die tomorrow.

Such an unusually strong yet terribly vague statement.~

Don't you just love it~?

Oh, but I do~

Kats wears a cupcake on his head every day

Katsuki uses a cupcake wrapper for pants?

[Vi]

Yes I bus err day every day especially when said buddy is no where near lynch and when a counterwagon would be easily doable.

P-EDIT: Goddamnit Parama we're not playing NINJAS here.

I'm pretty sure I just said that a counterwagon WOULDN'T be easily doable, and your vote was L-2.~

[Vi]

are you talking about the 'easily doability' of a counterwagon? well Vi is right there too.

How so?

Because of stuff that happened in this game

You already slipped that you're reading it and stuff.

[Vi]

Unless looking at the VC qualifies for reading the game, you'd best explain yourself.

And I'd

worst

just point you to where you said you were reading the game but had no reads.
You were the one who posted it so I'm sure you can find it yourself.

[Vi]

Pretty sure you're wrong because I would never say in any game that I was "reading" the game, especially not one like this with wall posters.

Come now are we all going to play the "pretend to never have played with Katsuki" game? Charter I can maybe understand since we've only had 1 or 2 games together, but you I know are much more aware of how I play.

You got lynched in MoCO (Town) for I don't even remember why but you didn't fight it that hard.
IIRC you got Recked out of Blackest Night (scum of some kind) for being obv.
You were kind enough to fakeclaim Cop in MetaTiger (M.Traitor) and got wastefully lynched for that.
You helped Fate screw over the Town in MetaMafia (Town) and got wastefully lynched for that.

Beyond that I'm really not that aware of how you play, no.

As it stands, you are correct that I did not explicitly say why a counterwagon would be difficult to get at this time, though one would imply it from how I said that the

main

wagon would be difficult to get. In addition if a counterwagon would be easy to get there would BE ONE that had more than three people on it.

Of course, I have no idea why I'm saying all this to someone who shamelessly jumped on the main wagon, but completeness, etc.

[Vi]

Zar, juuuuuuuust checking, but are you at all conscious of the game you are playing right now?~

[Vi]

[Vi]

painting me as scum bussing

You might be right about the you-not-reading-the-game part. <.<

I take it the answer to Vi 853 is "no".

[Vi]

Honestly, can we get over with this day?

UNVOTE
VOTE FURCOLOW

--

Is there any possible way a townie makes this post? If this isn't trying to cover your ass for a wagon you know is on town, I don't know what is.

Well he didn't have to bring up Elmo in a UN/Nuwesarian2 fight.

[Vi]

Honestly, can we get over with this day?

UNVOTE
VOTE FURCOLOW

Why is he a town read of yours?

I'll give you another chance.

We better try to agree on the lynch, we can't still be on the Rainbow Voting here.

(1) Furcolow: Zar,

[Vi]

also please note im using that as further evidence that elmo is scum since everyone on that wagon with me i have a town read on. the conclusion im drawing ther eis hes scum.

Scum enough not to join any other wagon?

[Vi]

I am remarkably out of "u suk" pictures already. My years on the Internet have been wasted.

Strike two anyway.

We better try to agree on the lynch, we can't still be on the Rainbow Voting here.

Tier 1:
Would Gladly Lynch:
Uberninja, Pirate, Furcolow

(4) UberNinja : shos, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Katsuki,
(...)
(1) Furcolow: Zar,

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i dont like the un wagon

wait, what

[Vi]

Uh, no, that's not at all correct; did you even read my post 778? My whole point was that Nuwen's play makes no sense coming from hypo-Nuwen-scum no matter if UN is town or scum. In fact, if UN is town, then it makes even less sense; I REALLY wouldn't expect scum-Nuwen to make such a big deal about forcing through a town wagon in such a loud and visible way in a situation where it already looked like it was happening anyway, and where the really weren't even any other viable wagons.

But I certainly would. It fits her personality well.

Meh. I guess I know what you mean, but this is exactally what I'd expect from town-Nuwen; in my experence, Nuwen will always tend to vote for the scummy looking village idiot on day 1. Nuwen is one of the few people who has an even lower tolerance for stupidity then I do.

So you're saying it's personality at best.

Still waiting on that compelling etc.

[Vi]

Uh, no, that's not at all correct; did you even read my post 778? My whole point was that Nuwen's play makes no sense coming from hypo-Nuwen-scum no matter if UN is town or scum. In fact, if UN is town, then it makes even less sense; I REALLY wouldn't expect scum-Nuwen to make such a big deal about forcing through a town wagon in such a loud and visible way in a situation where it already looked like it was happening anyway, and where the really weren't even any other viable wagons.

But I certainly would. It fits her personality well.

Meh. I guess I know what you mean, but this is exactally what I'd expect from town-Nuwen; in my experence, Nuwen will always tend to vote for the scummy looking village idiot on day 1. Nuwen is one of the few people who has an even lower tolerance for stupidity then I do.

So you're saying it's personality at best.

Still waiting on that compelling etc.

I'm kind of confused. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my statement that everything we've seen out of Nuwen this game is exactly what anyone who's played with her before would expect from town Nuwen? If you don't have an opinion on the subject, then I'm confused as to how you just claimed to understand Nuwen's meta well enough to predict how she would at as scum.

I'm saying that what I've seen of Nuwen is exactly what I would expect from Nuwen.

Still waiting on that compelling etc.

[Vi]

I accidentally deleted my response post and I'm already late, so the high points:

*Yos2's rationale for Nuwen-Town is entirely predicated on UberNinja-scum.
*Looking for associative tells without flips doesn't work in general. However, I maintain that in particular Chiarosicada's last post did not look scummy. In addition, I question if scum would actually word Chiaro's first post the way he did.
*While I have denied kanye's attacks on Quilford, there is something about Elmo that bothers me that I will get to when I get back.

[Vi]

[UberNinja]

's just picking whatever alternate wagon crosses his fancy and trying to create distance between himself and the people who defended him.

This is the first time I've heard this accusation or seen it played out, AFAIK. By which I mean "bullshit".

--

while your reads may be correct, the way you present and reason them is crap, so you aren't quite convincing. that, coming in a ddition to the already-bad impression I've had on you, is probably the reason for your lynch. I hope you're just trying to AtE here tho.

I am sure you're scum. I was saying that if in fact you are a townie, then you're doing a pretty bad job at it.

Wait, wait, I'm still hung up on how you're saying that UberNinja's reads might be correct, but "unconvincing"; yet you're still "sure" UN's scum. How likely is it that UN is going to flip scum?

--

Based on the game state as it is now, Nuwen's posts are exactally what I would expect from Nuwen-town, and apparently they're what you would expect from Nuwen-town as well; and they do not make any sense for Nuwen-scum to make, no matter what alignment UN is.

There is zero scum possible benefit at all to Nuwen's recent posts

, and they are clearly beneficial to the town, and all of that is true no matter if UN is scum or town.

...I'm sorry.

IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU ARE A FKF;GVSDRJAWERAJKL;D MORON

OF COURSE THERE'S A SCUM BENEFIT TO NUWEN'S POSTS

IF THEY INVOLVE PUSHING A WAGON ONTO A MISLYNCH

AND IF PUSHING THAT WAGON AND TRYING TO RALLY THE TOWN AROUND IT MAKES HER LOOK TOWN

THEN YES THERE IS A SCUM BENEFIT

...not deleting this.

--

All right. Here's something of a reconstruction of what I had in re: Chiaro this morning.

I'll throw it out there. Prior to this game I've been under the impression that the reason I've been -LOSING!- as Town so much is because
a) I change my vote too easily, and
b) I get myself too involved in the game, and thus people cater their reads to me,
and in addition,
c) right now I'm at a point in my life where if I get too invested, it destroys almost a full week of my emotional well-being. I won't excite you with the details, but see response to Yos2 above, which I'm still not deleting.

So, that's what was going on early game. That was the meaning of why I asked Parama how he could possibly do what he did. I can't keep it up. It's almost physically painful to play like that. So, screw it.

As for Chiarosicada, the first thing that caught my eye was before the game even began. Read post 16.

springlullaby: I'm still in. I think there's something wrong with my pm system because I confirmed via pm but it doesn't look like you received it.

This also happened during my last game as scum

and we didn't get a NK one night

This looks a whole lot like Chiaro claiming scum in-thread. Which would be hilarious, and I'm not sure if C would actually

do

that. I kept an eye on him at any rate.

The Chiarosicada wagon was actually pretty decent when it happened. I jumped on the wagon for pressure, to see if he would actually post anything. When he voluntarily replaced out and put out a post that seemed surprisingly kosher on his way out, I removed the vote.

Pirate Chemist I haven't really looked at but I haven't really cared given the previous read. I have seen out-of-game activity brought up but I don't think it's necessarily enough to Ellitell it (though I may want to look again). If he gets replaced, so much the better.

--

Since Elmo's not surprised that I have something to bring out, let's go ahead and get on with it.

So because I'm distancing myself from a shit iso. I'm scum? Hell I didn't look like quil wanted to play the game in general. His

fake anger

was lulzy and it seems you and Nuwen are just sitting with votes parked on me

I'm not sure if this is witness poisoning or admitting the truth, but Elmo has no way of

knowing

Quilford's anger is fake (though kanye suggested it quite a bit previously). I'm more interested in the Amished tell now.

--

I want to unvote Yos2 for Zar but at the same time I don't want to unvote Yos2.

[Vi]

Although, to be more precise, UN's response to pressure all game has been "Appeal to emotions/ Claim town/ buddy with people/ OMGUS". I almost forgot that first step.

Is there ANY reason that this clown is still alive at this point?

--

@Yos2 930:
1) Lurking.
2) I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen actually. People already seem to have their mind made up about UNI's alignment and if they turn out wrong they'll *shrug* and move on.
3) That's fairly optimistic.

[Vi]

I want to unvote Yos2 for Zar but at the same time I don't want to unvote Yos2.

Also; Zar? Really?

Why is it that ALL of your scum reads this game make zero sense to me, Vi?

Because you're scum? I mean seriously. We're talking about the guy who made

I am in favor of the Ninja wagon.

I also think the "voting block" is a cheap way of hiding a buddy among the crowd. The supposed "let's force scum to vote with us" can't work without a flip, and also tampers with possible voting analysis. Perfect environment to frame other players.

UNVOTE
VOTE: UBERNINJA

this invisivote with crappy reasons, the guy who posts this right after people say "consolidate your votes losers" and even goes as far as to say

Honestly, can we get over with this day?

, and then goes ahead and

@shos: Fine.

UNVOTE
VOTE UBERNINJA

makes this L-1 vote without really bothering to defend Furcolow over UN.

If there's anything to offset this in Zar's previous play I certainly don't remember it.

--

1. Uh, she could have made a post without attracting that kind of attention to herself.

Lurking. Also out of character; see previous comparison to JDodge.

2. That's probably true for most of the people voting for UN, but it's probably not true after Nuwen made that post. I think that if UN does (somehow) flip town, people are going to be all over her for that. It doesn't look like she cares.

Except not. It's just a reaffirmation of what Nuwen has already been preaching.

<stuff>

Again, comparison to JDodge.

--

I don't get why Vi-scum would act like this, but I don't get why Vi-town would act like this either.

: ordinaryVigame :

[Vi]

crap, I had a post and chrome crashed

I remember asking Vi what those tells were - the Amished and the ellitell. and stuff. I also remember agreeing much with Yos.

Make up your mind about who you agree with <_<
Also, how sure are you that UberNinja is scum?

The Amished tell is that "people who criticize the person they replace are scum", as scum are more likely to see scummy behavior in their replacement because lol, it

was

scummy. Surprisingly effective. I have a tell of my own along these lines but I'll keep it to myself.

The Ellitell is "people who post a lot in other games but not much in a particular game are scum in the game they're not posting much in". Not nearly as ironclad as the Amished tell but it's much more fun to abuse with the "viewing this forum" list.

[Vi]

And for what point, according to you, should I continue to pursue the dead-end Furcolow wagon over UN?

Trying to look Town.

Also, failing.

[Vi]

Welcome to my life.

There's no turning back.

I'm happy with a Vi or Pirate. I'll read this up soon

This is entirely new.

[Vi]

Ah. If Hiraki replaces in, I'm doing nothing but voting him. There is zero chance of a town win if he's in this game. Hiraki is bar none the dumbest player ever to grace mafiascum. It's even better because he's scum. So here's my last post until he's lynched.

Unvote, vote Hiraki

Don't do this. Please.

also, shotty

Hmmm... in the interest of gaining information, I'll vote Vi, Yos, or Chiaro/replacement, and I'm warming up to Nuwen as scum too.

Information lynches are bad and you should feel bad for suggesting them.

Just saiyan

...because you're losing your Super Saiyan status.~

Speedreading at the moment but will return with potentially more hate.

[Vi]

@Yos2: Oh, so posts like Nuwen 968?

--

That's because

you

[Katsuki]

are basically a waste of time.

Compare/contrast with Vi, who has actually been playing the game.

Hmmm... in the interest of gaining information, I'll vote Vi, Yos, or Chiaro/replacement, and I'm warming up to Nuwen as scum too.

But is Katsuki Town?

--

ITT Zar lets Furcofluff go by without calling it.

[Vi]

That's because

you

[Katsuki]

are basically a waste of time.

Compare/contrast with Vi, who has actually been playing the game.

Hmmm... in the interest of gaining information, I'll vote Vi, Yos, or Chiaro/replacement, and I'm warming up to Nuwen as scum too.

But is Katsuki Town?

Waiting.

[Vi]

Nuwen, who Vi called scum and drew attention to

Vi

Yos, who Vi called scum and drew attention to

Zar, who Vi called scum and drew attention to

I mean other than that one person this isn't a bad set of reads, but etc.

--

@Zar 996: I don't really see any reason to believe Furcolow is scum atm. But that's not as important as the fact that you claim to think otherwise.

--

(4) UberNinja : shos, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Zar,
(2) Yosarian2: Vi, Furcolow,
(2) Hiraki : Parama, charter
(1) Vi: Katsuki,
(1) Elmo TeH AzN : kanyeknowsbest,
(1) Zar: UberNinja

(0) Parama
(0) charter
(0) Furcolow:
(0) Katsuki:
(0) kanyeknowsbest:
(0) Nuwen :
(0) shos:

(2) Not voting : Elmo teh AzN, Hiraki

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Day 1 start now.
The deadline is set to Sunday May the 6th.
2 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes

@mod: Deadline extension for Hiraki

[Vi]

Do you think

[Furcolow's]

behavior is pro-town?

I don't see why not.

If you were a TOWNIE, you'd at least read them first and then discard them as "coming from scum, until such time as I flip town... if I flip town". Because after all, we're a day or two out from a deadline (which will probably be extended, but etc) and it's time to get as much information about everyone and make an informed decision as to who to lynch, based on all the info present.

HOWEVER, since you're scum, that means you already know I'm town, and don't bother reading the info.

In all fairness I only skim most walls. Thanks for providing the Wonkavite summary, btw.

You're missing the point about the Aipom stare btw.

[Vi]

I support a deadline extension

UN no one is going to read your list unbiased. Its not going to happen. But even then just look at is as "hey at least sometihng is out there"

Why aren't you voting, anyway?

[Vi]

Still don't think Zar is scum; the case against him is pretty thin, and

the people on his wagon look like scum

.

How many of them?

Unvote: Yosarian2
Vote: Zar

(L-2)

[Vi]

Still don't think Zar is scum; the case against him is pretty thin, and

the people on his wagon look like scum

.

How many of them?

Unvote: Yosarian2
Vote: Zar

(L-2)

pressure vote again I guess? *haha*

So that's not funny...

I fail

...and I agree.

By the way more people (e.g. me) have given reason to vote Zar than UberNin--

Furcolow, kanye, elmo - why are you voting Zar?

--

Post 1051 made me *twitch*.

[Vi]

@Zar 1061 - I see no contradiction. You're not pushing the person you claim to be a more attractive scumread than UberNinja (who happened to have a burgeoning wagon).

[Vi]

@Zar 1061 - I see no contradiction. You're not pushing the person you claim to be a more attractive scumread than UberNinja (who happened to have a burgeoning wagon).

I never said Furcolow that I had a more attractive scumread on Furcolow. Furcolow seems like an unlynchable target, quite a good d1 investigative prospect, IMO.

I am interested in your reasons for calling him Fluff while claiming his behavior is pro-town though. That's what I want you to explain.

I dunno, you went well out of your way to vote Furcolow over UberNinja.~
And I thought that you going so far out of your way to throw suss at him would mean you would call him out on a fluff post.

Me, I don't mind the Furc. He's been making proactive votes whereas as scum I'd expect him to be completely useless and/or lurky.

[Vi]

I don't see how his votes are pro-active. All he's done is pile up in wagons started by others.

Who was the first person to vote for you in this game? and for that matter, how many times has he tried to start a Vi wagon?

[Vi]

I'm reading springlullaby in isolation and I'm not entirely sure we're living in the same continuity.

[Vi]

ITT I am dead to shos?

[Vi]

what's ITT? people keep using it ><
I'm not sure what you meant Vi, but uh, if it wasn't clear, I do not agree with the thought of you being scum, the contrary~ But that post was not about you, it was more about Zar and UN.

(...)

I do not switch to Zar; but even if he does flip scum, I will not shut up the reason is that I'm not pushing towards a Zar-town stance, I'm just discreditting YOU when you say he's scum.

So, what IS Zar to you? The line between "Zar-Town" and "discrediting

[UberNinja]

" is kind of blurry.

Well that's kind of ambiguous. :/

--

Hiraki, u scum? U be lookin liek scum.

--

I'm not sure I like this Zar wagon any more because...
a) it's Sunday
b) GUT! =:-D
c) etc.

Unvote: Zar
Vote: Hiraki

(L-4)

[Vi]

first stuff first:
1. what is a town dreamer?
2. there is so much info in the flavor - has anyone seen something that can help us?

1. Probably an original role.
2. Not really, no.

You forgot question 3. Elmo dead? I call shenanigrins.

[Vi]

...

[Vi]

...

Shos isn't lying.

Then why did shos wait when he could have sprung this weeks ago?

And for that matter, why did shos challenge the wagon three times on the last page before posting this?

[Vi]

Vi why are you questioning shos instead of voting Hiraki?

Because
(1) shos' story still doesn't add up,
(2) shos' posts Today don't look genuine,
(3) in light of the information that's pouring around I don't see any need to rush the Day, even if it IS a vote for Hiraki, and
(4) to be entirely honest I would still rather lynch Nuwen, if nothing else for post 1160.

So:
(A)

Vote: Nuwen

(L-5)
(B) :dealwithit:

Also, I believe this and this may be of interest.

Reverse image searching doesn't seem to be helping with clue_3.gif.

[Vi]

The map says it is with

Virgin with a Child, Surrounded by Six Angels

.

I can also point out that in France's tricolor flag, which fits the flavor I gave, white IS a color.

And more to the stuff I care about, I am incredulous at the concept of you clearly and consciously setting up a trap for Hiraki as soon as he replaced in and then not realizing it was sprung.

But since you're saying Hiraki is lying about the content of his private message, and Hiraki is saying there's an embellishment you're denying in said message, this sounds like 1v1 material to me.~

Unvote: Nuwen
Vote: shos

(L-5)
not that Nuwen won't get hers.

@kanye: We should definitely massclaim, but I don't think it should happen Today.

[Vi]

Actually, wait.

Why isn't Hiraki voting shos again?

[Vi]

Actually, wait.

Why isn't Hiraki voting shos again?

He is.

Okay, so I'm squinting reeeeeally hard, and I still don't see it.

[Vi]

...

Shos isn't lying.

By the way, your message also noted that I'm probably going to be lynched today.

Any reason for that Shos? I had two votes on me, none of which were you.

and did it indeed say you were going to be lynched? *goes to sent messages* no it didn't. first lie detected? O_o

Also, this.

[Vi]

(4) Hiraki :

charter, kanyeknowsbest, Parama, shos

shos

right there

The other way around, you etc.

[Vi]

...

Shos isn't lying.

By the way, your message also noted that I'm probably going to be lynched today.

Any reason for that Shos? I had two votes on me, none of which were you.

and did it indeed say you were going to be lynched? *goes to sent messages* no it didn't. first lie detected? O_o

Also, this.

Nope. He twisted my words. I said "probably going to be lynched" that's not "going to be lynched" you're missing the subjunctive part of that statement.

I'm pretty sure that's a minor technicality that certainly doesn't warrant shos calling you a liar.

The other way around, you etc.

Ah. I'm being stupid.

Because I don't really think he's scum?

Given the above, what's the alternative explanation?

[Vi]

actually, I think that it is better if I say it before Hiraki comes, so let it be now.

I was able to send a message during yesterday, anonymous, to one person.
I really had no clue what to do with that. but then I came up with something, and I sent a message to Hiraki. I suppose that I am not allowed to quote, so generally, the message said something like,

I want scum to win, so if you are scum, vote uberninja and kill shos(cuz people seem to think he is town), or if UN is scum, vote Zar quickly without saying anything, nobody will complain.

Sooooo I wanted to test the reaction. as a start, he did not inform the town about recieving the message. that's (A). then, he made his long post, and voted Uberninja. that's (B). and now - scumteam's kill has been blocked? wonderful!! that means he tried to kill me. point is - in addition to the message, I was bulletproof yesterday as well. that's (C). So it all fits.

please don't tell me I made a mistake exposing myself ><

You realize that
(A) people have been megalynched just for the first two parts, and
(B) barring very limited scenarios (i.e. scum with unknown Traitor) Hiraki, working with a team mind you, would probably not kill you based on an anonymous note?

[Vi]

@Yos 1187: You realize that that tells me nothing that I don't know.

If Hiraki described a tricolor flag without knowing what it was AND specifically mentioned that white is not a color, that sounds like either he knows more than he's letting on (i.e. he was serious about that offhand comment) OR that he wasn't mentioning the French flag.

Moreover, if he picked up the medallion at the scene of the Elmo's murder, that means that his comments are in reference to you. Thanks for claiming before I realized that, btw.~~

Asking whether the scum have a French theme is kind of silly. This

whole game

has a French theme. Now, given that Hiraki was describing you, and that you yourself have a French theme, and you were making the Elmo kill out to be made by scum by asking that question, what were you getting at?

In addition, please answer Furcolow's question about Nuwen being scum. (the answer is "yes" btw)

[Vi]

There is no need to speculate when there are people who can give straight answers.

[Vi]

If Hiraki described a tricolor flag without knowing what it was AND specifically mentioned that white is not a color

I thought mod was going for German scum--that's the only reason I said that.

Why?

I'm pretty sure that's a minor technicality that certainly doesn't warrant shos calling you a liar.

I'm so confused right now.

Let me clarify this. Shos was right that the message says nothing about me being probably lynched or anything close to that. I don't know how I saw that or even saw the "probably"--it's been a long day. I honestly don't know how I got that fucked up in my reading abilities though.

...

<post that tries to look like novel activity>

...

[Vi]

Well, Marguerite thought, she'd be lucky to be back in time for the afternoon sitcoms.

"After/during the 1800s".

[Vi]

Why won't you vote Charter Vi?

Because I have no reason to believe charter is scum. Do you have any reason to believe charter is scum?

The other reason is - I'm really not sure what would possess you to

imagine

highly incriminating things about shos' message that turned out to not exist.

I believe Yos' claim, especially with the extra tidbits in Shos' flavor. Shos has no reason to verify Yos' claim as scum: he could fake a guilty track, or just keep quiet and let Yos take the heat for the only successful kill last night.

I don't see shos verifying any claims anywhere.

My shit list is ready to be napalm'd: <over half the rest of the game>

But I'm genuinely impressed at how you're passing this off like it's some novel twist of scumhunting.

There is way too much going on right now that's factually or contextually WRONG.

[Vi]

You know what?

Unvote: shos
Vote: Nuwen

(L-4)

[Vi]

THAT'S NOT A VOTE FOR HIRAKI

CURSE YOU, VIIII

You're right, it's not. Every day Nuwen posts is like a day without sunshine and every day Nuwen doesn't post is like lurking.

Not that Hiraki has any idea why I should be voting charter and he's basically acknowledged that he's making stuff up multiple times over.

Also, I'm the Louvre's mummy.

[Vi]

Parama is town.
Vote Kanye

Prob scum, no joke. This is scum RVS play.

:edgeworthellipsis:
Or is there something I'm missing?

Also, I take back my claim. I am actually shos' mother. This is largely so I can say things like "Your MOM was just voting you".

[Vi]

There is 5 votes on scum right now, why is it split between two people

Not sure if Hiraki is legitimately this stupid; p.confident Nuwen is legitimately this malicious.

[Vi]

ITT:

Nuwen insists that this is a flavor- and power-role game.
Nuwen completely misses that the visions say considerably more than "Yos2's role is French" and shamelessly buddies to him. (which, if I notice buddying at all, it has to be pretty shameless)
Zar pulls out completely unnecessary vote count analysis to simultaneously throw Nuwen's name out as a suspect and then conveniently ignore her in the analysis.

[Vi]

ITT:

Nuwen insists that this is a flavor- and power-role game.
Nuwen completely misses that the visions say considerably more than "Yos2's role is French" and shamelessly buddies to him. (which, if I notice buddying at all, it has to be pretty shameless)
Zar pulls out completely unnecessary vote count analysis to simultaneously throw Nuwen's name out as a suspect and then conveniently ignore her in the analysis.

so are you talking about Nuwen-scum or about nuwen-town who is being attacked by Zar-scum because you voted him?

I would be talking about Nuwen-scum who is being dodged around by Zar-scum.

Excuse me?

Your offense has been forgiven.*

How is this completely unnecessary?

words flavor hate flavor words words hate hate flavor VOTE COUNT WALL

And your conclusions are minimal.

Now I would be surprised if there were no scum on the UberNinja wagon - in fact most of my scumpicks are on the UberNinja wagon - but Furcolow isn't the one I'd pick out of the crowd.

*This statement is not sincere.

[Vi]

alright, Vi-oh-ever-so-wise

use your professor paragon pretend title to sell me a Nuwen over Furcolow case. Go.

First, I'd like to kindly point out that your Burden of Proficiency argument makes you look like an a-hole. You're welcome.

Nuwen:
*Slammed through the UberNinja case Yesterday as a policy lynch when it was for the most part pretty bloody obvious that UN was Town
*Has offered nothing involving actual hunting of scum except the minimum (see scumlist consisting of everyone except herself and three other players), preferring to keep to speculating on game flavor
*Has lurked like a boss
*From what I'm told, SHOULD be the one doing the vote count analysis (especially given all those threats about tearing up the people off the UberNinja wagon), not you

Furcolow:
*Has not put out a lot of posts or done much Furcraging in this game, which does count against him, but
*has bothered to put his vote on people who have no votes a LOT in this game, which doesn't make a lot of sense for scum to do as often as he has.

[Vi]

alright, Vi-oh-ever-so-wise

use your professor paragon pretend title to sell me a Nuwen over Furcolow case. Go.

First, I'd like to kindly point out that your Burden of Proficiency argument makes you look like an a-hole. You're welcome.

Hey! Where's the love? I thought you'd marry me one day .

If you want to marry me, you'll have to get in line, behind... um... ... ...ummm...

What do you think about the vote on Yosarian on Day2?

I don't know why scum would throw a lone vote at a one-shot Vig claim, especially without public support.

Furcolow could do it for the sake of doing it, granted, but it seems like a waste. Either way, etc. etc.

I think it's kind of evident who I suspect and who I don't, so etc.

[Vi]

Nuwen:
*Slammed through the UberNinja case Yesterday as a policy lynch when it was for the most part pretty bloody obvious that UN was Town

lol. Only obvious to you, Vi.

No, it really was pretty obvious.

I don't know why scum would throw a lone vote at a one-shot Vig claim, especially without public support.

I actually haven't specifically claimed if I'm a a one-shot vig, a full vig, a multi-shot vig, a odd night vig, a JOAT, a cannibalistic ardvark, or any other role combination. All I said was that I made the kill last night. Are you fishing?

I'm really not sure how you got the notion that I was

fishing

instead of

assuming

. Do explain.

[Vi]

I don't know why scum would throw a lone vote at a one-shot Vig claim, especially without public support.

I actually haven't specifically claimed if I'm a a one-shot vig, a full vig, a multi-shot vig, a odd night vig, a JOAT, a cannibalistic ardvark, or any other role combination. All I said was that I made the kill last night. Are you fishing?

I'm really not sure how you got the notion that I was

fishing

instead of

assuming

. Do explain.

Because if you were town who had thought you had logically figured out parts my my role I haven't claimed yet, and if you think I am town, then it would be obviously bad for you to tell the scum about what you think my role is for no reason?

The explanation is actually much simpler. But do you want me to continue this conversation?

(note: if yes, it'll wait until tomorrow; it's past my bedtime as it is)

[Vi]

ITT:

Nuwen insists that this is a flavor- and power-role game.
Nuwen completely misses that the visions say considerably more than "Yos2's role is French" and shamelessly buddies to him. (which, if I notice buddying at all, it has to be pretty shameless)
Zar pulls out completely unnecessary vote count analysis to simultaneously throw Nuwen's name out as a suspect and then conveniently ignore her in the analysis.

Yes, flavor is very much relevant to this game. There's A LOT of it and scattered amidst the fluff I believe there's important information to be gleaned. Ignoring this to suit your own agenda is either intellectually lazy or scummy. Haven't decided which yet. This game isn't interesting enough to compete with team mafia.

Hey. Hey Nuwen. Read my posts. I'm not ignoring flavor. I'm just not paying lip service to the rest of the game.

I'm not shamelessly buddying Yos - there's a dude voting for him AFTER THE COMPLEMENTING CLAIMS, which I also find either incredibly misguided or scummy. Running defense for Furclow wins you no points with me.

The level of derptastic in the last two pages is giving me a brain aneurysm.

Is Yos okay? Caught up and saw the post re: a bad situation IRL. Don't abandon me to the insanity wolves. Hope things are better now.

Shameless buddying is both shameless and buddying.

Vote count analysis isn't magic numerology. I do it when I think wagons contain important data or lack a better starting point. The casing on Hiraki after his town-motivated claim is more than enough of a jump-off for today.

So you're saying your much-vaulted analysis of the UberNinja wagon would have ended on Hiraki even though you didn't actually do the analysis?

Also reasonably sure that you have to have inside info to EVER read Uberninja's D1 as town in this game. No regrets at all on that one.

If UN was actually scum I would have been both impressed and terribly embarrassed. But hey, throw me some empty words saying I'm scum if you like.

---

@Zar:

*"Policy lynch" was the wrong term, in favor of "tunnel lynch" or something to that effect.
*The threats were along the lines of "I will find and thresh everyone who is not already on the UberNinja wagon because when he flips scum I will kill the stupid and the scumpartners". UberNinja didn't flip scum, but I would expect someone who actively thought UberNinja was scum to try and analyze the wagon anyway.

---

@Furcolow: If it came down to you vs. Zar I would vote you first. Just saying.

[Vi]

But sarcasm aside, a wagon that could have been entirely town-driven is less valuable for rote vote analysis. In fact, it's rote vote analysis that can make the behavior of "town-purging-town," something to be encouraged D1 imo, a lynch-able offense in ensuing days. Take it from someone who knows and uses VCA to squeeze on fresh information on a game: there's not much to see on Uberninja's wagon. I'm not going to invent a case I don't agree with because it fits your small paradigm of scum-must-be-asserting-wagon.

"Oh wagon analysis isn't that useful because it's just as likely that scum weren't on the wagon at all"



"oh trust me I've already looked at the UN wagon and there's nothing to see"

Not a fan of this Nuwen wagon. Nuwen is defending Hiraki for reasons that seem entierly logical, are pretty strong, and are probably right. So, because she's defending someone who's probably town from getting lynched...that makes her scum?

When did anyone care about her defending Hiraki?

[Vi]

Questions to Vi: I mean, considering that part of what scum has to do is to pretend to have town intentions: why wouldn't it make sense for scum to vote often for people who have no votes? How would that be detrimental for their faction?

It isn't helping a lynch go through and to an extent draws attention to oneself.

With that said, when you're just throwing it around and saying things that are here today and gone tomorrow while flying under the radar, etc.

I'm willing to go down the META lane because it

doesn't

fit Furcolow's Town play. I actually had to use the phrase "under the radar" to describe Furc0.

--

This is probably the only game ever where I DON'T want a charter lynch. Reasons are etc.

--

by the way can we finish doing the name claim thing. no sense in stopping halfway

we still have furcolow, katsuki, nuwen, parama, zar

and myself

who have not done so.

:huh:
Nobody has asked permission to claim so far.

[Vi]

??

clearly im wating.

If anyone had anything interesting to say they would have said it by now, about claims or in general.

This is the part where Nuwen posts solely to save "I post once a day" face.

[Vi]

??

clearly im wating.

kanyes first.

kanye knows best after all

Does Vi white knight as scum?

Short answer: Yes.

furc: yesterday i came to the conclusion that

[Elmo]

was town (bad vi town being exploited by scum.)

These scum being...

[Vi]

ITT,

[Vi]

Vi, what's with post 1323?

What comes after the "ITT,"?

At this point it's almost not worth it to criticize the activity level in this game though. I'll just keep my vote on scum and trust that what feels like half the game can't hide forever.

[Vi]

Should I just give up on trying to get a scum lynch? >__________________>

Are you suggesting the main wagon isn't on scum?

[Vi]

lol, my PC has officially, LITERALLY BURNED ITSELF.

Just wondering have their been any claims I've missed? Aside from the Yos vigclaim.

Oh now don't tell me you're Town now.

[Vi]

Ok now I have to figure out if you would tell me you white knight if you were scum

and i'm tired of your shit this game

terrible WIFOM Vi

Ditto @bolded.

--

Hey kanye, it sounds like you need some help.

furc: yesterday i came to the conclusion that

[Elmo]

was town (bad vi town being exploited by scum.)

These scum being...

For reference:

Elmo TeH AzN (4): Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow,

Ohhh haaaay the mod just said the n-word

[Vi]

Not much else to say.

vote

I'd LIKE to pick apart the flavor of this game, but I get the feeling that no one would be particularly interested. Evidently being invested in flavor clues is a scum tell, despite the mod clearly stating that flavor plays a bigger-than-normal role in this game. zzz

this is not an appropriate response to the accusation

--

okay, is there anyone who doesn't think my case on Hiraki works?

we've had this discussion before, I thought

do you guys remember when someone mentioned how having many few-vote-wagons is against us..?

I can only do so much with what I have to work with.

@mod: Please shorten the deadline by one week

[Vi]

Unvote, Vote:

[someone who isn't Nuwen]

Unvote

hmm

Vote:

[someone who isn't Nuwen]

Etc.

[Vi]

why is nuwen scum this entire game has been "vote X" without saying why and it's making life inpossible for me.

My iso has Nuwen all over it.

No, that was not buddying, that was her actually being worried about me irl.

Is Yos okay? Caught up and saw the post re: a bad situation IRL.

Don't abandon me to the insanity wolves.

Hope things are better now.

well actually

[Vi]

I saw an escargot walk past this game 10 times back and forth.

What are you waiting for again?

Not signing the Paramatition because it's useless.

Stuff about Nuwen not being dead yet goes here. I don't really mind shos switching over but it's wasting my time.

[Vi]

This game is so boring.

What are you waiting for again?

[Vi]

I'm going to be out of the Mafia loop starting basically in an hour and lasting through Monday morning at least.
Can I just assume I'm not going to miss anything important?

Also Zar can put his Nuwen vote back now.

[Vi]

ITT: Vi tells people what to do but doesn't contribute give reads other than Nuwen (and complains about lack of content).
Maybe when she comes back she can gives us some useful content, and stuff?

And what do you want to know? I think I've been fairly clear.

[Vi]

ITT: Vi tells people what to do but doesn't contribute give reads other than Nuwen (and complains about lack of content).
Maybe when she comes back she can gives us some useful content, and stuff?

And what do you want to know? I think I've been fairly clear.

If you and I are to be married one day, we should have open communication.

Our QuickTopic is open during the Day.

What are is your read on Parama?

Short answer: I'm not interested in dealing with Parama right now, and probably not for the rest of the Day.

Probably not the kind of answer you're looking for but ask again when I'm not in the mental state I'm currently in.

[Vi]

this game would be more fun if we lynched scum

e.g. the one that's being handed to you on a silver platter

just saiyan

[Vi]

by which I mean

STOP PRETENDING YOU ARE MORE AWESOME THAN ME and striking out and finding your own scum

because lynching scum is good

doesn't matter which one

but get on a wagon that's lynching one

in case it's not expressly obvious I mean nuwen

[Vi]

Vi, shouldn't we want her nameclaim first?

Wouldn't not nameclaiming be a sign of being scum?

[Vi]

There you go thinking you're more awesome than me again.

[Vi]

what makes you disregard my case on Hiraki?

Among other things, my case on Nuwen.

i'm more awesome than you

Though he's a lousy pretender. He has no brass in pocket.

[Vi]

There you go thinking you're more awesome than me again.

Well, Nuwen doesn't seem that scummy, and I don't want to vote for either Hiraki or Shos today.

Haven't I basically covered Nuwen-scum in triplicate?

[Vi]

I saw my name on the end of the list someone had, that is the only reason I've waited

[Vi]

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

I never did figure out what this meant exactly.

[Vi]

There you go thinking you're more awesome than me again.

Well, Nuwen doesn't seem that scummy, and I don't want to vote for either Hiraki or Shos today.

Haven't I basically covered Nuwen-scum in triplicate?

You haven't actually said anything new since the last time I explained why I'm not interested in a Nuwen lynch.

That's okay; Nuwen hasn't acted Townie at all since the last time you excused yourself.

@shos: read this page plz

[Vi]

Hiraki being scum is independent of whether he made up his claim, since it's very unlikely that he fabricated it.

Parama limiting himself to Furcosarian2 is stupid but I can't fault the sentiment.

[Vi]

however, how could I get these visions as scum?

"How" is not the right word here.

[Vi]

Does Parama like intentionally say really controversial things that get him lynched as scum?

[Vi]

(I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was "yes"; that question wasn't rhetorical)

[Vi]

One more time, so everyone can hear it Parama: Yos is scum claiming vig. You think Yos is scum claiming vig. You, Parama, think Yosarian2 claimed out the scum kill as a vig bullet for no reason or hint of a track/whatever result on him.

^^^

[Vi]

Is this the part where I point out the claimed Vidgewithnoreasontoclaim attacking the claimed Copwithnoreasontoclaim?

[Vi]

well not necessarily cop but it doesnt really matter

[Vi]

New plan: everyone stop doing stupid things and just follow me today so we can lynch scum.

Now I see why Cobalt just posted "trollface.jpg" instead of the image itself. I would really be about to wear out well_actually_trollcat.png by now.

Fake edit: Not that I'm against Furcolow being scum, but Nuwen is, like. MORE scum.

[Vi]

what the fuck? nameclaim furc.

Or you can vote Furcolow.

In related news, screw it.

Unvote: Nuwen
Vote: Furcolow

(L-4)

[Vi]

This is a post to say etc.

[Vi]

okay but can we hammer him for real now?

yes

[Vi]

"Ma! Mama! Tôi thấy anh ta... Mamamamamama! Trong bảo tàng mamama!"

This is Vietnamese. "I saw him in the museum." I can't do anything with the second one.

We return to your regularly scheduled scum lynchan.

Vote: Nuwen

(L-4)

[Vi]

Hey, wait.

Two kills doesn't make sense with Yos2's claim. For Yostwo's claim to be twoo, there would have to have been two blocked kills N1, making three kill sources total. In a Mini. And not just on Night 1, but potentially three-kill Nights thereafter.

And oh look, that puts me back at Yos2+Nuwen. Imagine the heck out of that.

Unvote: Nuwen
Vote: Yosarian2

(L-4)

[Vi]

Oh, that's bs, VI. I don't know why there were 2 kills last night any more then you do; most likely there is a second person with some kind of vig ability that didn't or couldn't use it night 1.

This still doesn't solve the three-kills issue. I'll make a judgment when I see a claim, at any rate.

There's no way that you actually believe that I'm scum after I singlehandedly created a Furcolow wagon from absolutely nothing 3 days before deadline, though.

You're right, I don't believe that. You cast a vote on Furcolow seven days before deadline without any particularly defined reason, and returned to it after you got gambited.

I'd string up Vi today. I don't think it's a town reaction to the 2nd kill; it reads like scum figuring out they have a serial killer to contend with.

1-2 both of them

and this game is done. Don't care which first.

I'm assuming by "both of them" you mean Yos2 and me.

Do you want to throw down a vote, or are you content with playing what I hope is the most embarrassing scumgame of your career?

[Vi]

Oh, that's bs, VI. I don't know why there were 2 kills last night any more then you do; most likely there is a second person with some kind of vig ability that didn't or couldn't use it night 1.

This still doesn't solve the three-kills issue. I'll make a judgment when I see a claim, at any rate.

Uh; yes, it would solve the issue actually; that would explain why there are two kills today. We already knew there was at least one blocked kill night 1.

If you had shot scum N1 per your claim, there would be three kills N2. Slightly less ridiculous.

As for two blocked kills N1? Possible but generally unlikely, especially since Nuwen cried out for someone, anyone to claim a blocking role and got no response.

There's no way that you actually believe that I'm scum after I singlehandedly created a Furcolow wagon from absolutely nothing 3 days before deadline, though.

You're right, I don't believe that. You cast a vote on Furcolow seven days before deadline without any particularly defined reason, and returned to it after you got gambited.

Uh, I explained in pretty great detail why I thought he was scum when I voted him the first time, thank you very much. I basically POE's the list down to my 3 most likely suspects, which were Furcolow, Kats, and Parama. I went after Furcolow; I then got distrated over to Parama when he was being stupid, then we got derailed by the gambit, and then after that was over I went back to Parama.

And yes, when I voted for Furcolow 3 days before deadline and told everyone to "stop doing stupid things and follow me" after the stupid cop gambit, there was no one else voting for him at the time. People followed me, and we got it all the way to a lynch.

There is no way Furcolow was going to be lynched yesterday if I hadn't lynched him. No one else was even paying any attention to him; everyone else was either content to just let him lurk his way through the game, or else they had forgotten about him completely.

I don't see this "pretty great detail" anywhere.

Yes you threw your vote on Furcolow when it wasn't trendy and when he started to stink like a dead squirrel people jumped on. There is that. But I don't know how your vote got there to start with. He was even at the bottom of your PoE list.

You know that I'm town here, Vi. You know that there's no way I claim vig as scum at the start of day 2 for no reason. You know there's zero chance that a scum shoots Elmo after night 1. You know that there's no way that me and Furcolow were scum buddies yesterday if you read the thread, and you know that I've been playing like town. Are you seriously going to let stupid setup speculation get in the way of all of that?

Speaking frankly I would rather play Setupafia any day of the week. And if Nuwen is calling you an SK by projecting her own opinion onto me - and I'll take her word for it because she's scum - then the other reasons go away.

As for playing like Town, refer to a whole lot of what I said about your play D1. Etc. and etc.

Now if you really wanted to play like Town you would vote Nuwen.

[Vi]

If I forget to post day two, just count on a vote for Nuwen/Hiraki.

You picked the wrong one.

[Vi]

also on the same note - what do "night guard" and "town scientific expert" mean as roles? is a nightuard a doc?

At this point I'm pretty sure these are unique roles. Their names give away some idea of what they do but not exactly.

Also, read more Tarhalindur games.

Also, vote one of {Yos, Nuwen}.

[Vi]

Phasing out quote walls.

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In re: "a billion plausible explanations" - The examples you gave aren't plausible. They don't solve the issue I have with the setup as claimed.

At risk of opening up reviewer meta, I have to advise people who think that allowing three kills a Night in a Mini game is a good idea on a fairly regular basis. In what I'd like to call a substantial amount of the time, the answer is no.

While I acknowledge your point about Doctors and Bulletproofs and M.Roleblockers, it still doesn't change that with three kills a night the game can swing in such a way that on Day 3 there can be five players alive. If you want to generously assume two complementary Vigs even though nothing complements the role you claimed, that would be 3-2, which would kind of be all right if the "if" was plausible at all.

As an aside, I'm assuming by the lack of claims that there's no further outside information to be had.

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In re: Furcolow -

Uh, I explained

in pretty great detail

why I thought he was scum when I voted him the first time, thank you very much.

You're welcome very much, as soon as I see this. That quote you gave does nothing.

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In re: claiming Vig on Elmo - I don't think that Elmo would have been lynched D2 (see: Hiraki, Zar, etc.) but I acknowledge that you used it as justification for the shot. I also don't see an immediate benefit to claiming (successful) Vig as not-Vig, and while I'm edgy about what kind of scum power would be in this setup outright saying what's running through my mind would put me so far into Fairy Godfather territory that I would be ashamed of myself.

Yet it would make everything fit so well. Because Nuwen.

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In re: OMG Vi is being weird - Well no kidding. That aside, I really don't care what you think, though I would prefer you stopped grossly overstating your Towniness and the strength of your defense.

Now you know what would get me to shut up at least briefly? Voting for and LYNCHING Nuwen.

[Vi]

Anyway, I thought Nuwen was town yesterday, and she played a huge role in the scum lynch yesterday after that. She is ranked really high on my town list right now; I think she is significantly more likely to be town then you are at this point, and have no intention of voting her today.

The frick

what are you high on

Nuwen made an L-1 vote

after sidelining throughout the game

all three days

except push an incredibly safe mislynch

you

can't

be

serious

no I'm actually going to pause a moment and make sure I didn't miss something but I'm pretty sure I didn't

okay

I'm reading again

she did punish furcolow's claim

there is that

but by that time everyone had agreed to lynch furco anyway

really yos

really

do you have any idea how nuwen plays

have you HEARD anything about how nuwen plays

have you SEEN anything about how nuwen plays

I mean as town

THIS IS NOT IT

What

are

you

high

on

[Vi]

Vi-Gets some town cred for defending UN and Elmo day 1, and did eventually follow me onto the Furcolow lynch yesterday. Bizarre behavior today, though. Also gets some - points for the way she's been so singlemindedly pushing the awful Nuwen wagon for so long.

omg

u are teh dum

and not just because I've been holding the polar opposite against you since the MIDDLE OF DAY 1

has it occurred to you that you might be wrong and/or that i may be right

wait it probably has

because if it hadn't i wouldn't be voting for you

it would also be insulting to your intelligence

also

Probably scum:

Katsuki

Magua : Chronic lurker, basically no content. I can't see any way this slot is likely to be town here.

is this entirely based on lurking
or is there more

because I know someone else who chronically lurks and gives basically no content

and even stalled to claim, JUST LIKE CERTAIN OTHER SCUM WE KNOW

[Vi]

also katsuki said something that almost sounded protown IIRC

I'm shocked too

will look at again to be sure but etc.

this is not my normal posting style

but is a reflection of my mental state

after hours of internal RAGE today that nuwen is not four votes closer to lynch than she is

id like for those to not be hours lost

[Vi]

haha

I like the use of white space. It's very artistic.

GDit I'm not trying to be cute

this time

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Anyway, yeah, I know how Nuwen plays as town; I've even hydraed with her before. This feels like it to me. Frankly, I would have been suspicious if Nuwen hadn't gone after people like Uberninja and Elmo; Nuwen-town has a very low tollerance for lurkers, illogical play, and general stupidity.

Eh. Perhaps I have her ranked too high; I hate the part of the game where I find out that one of my town reads was wrong and have to figure out which one it is. I really don't at all see what you're talking about, though. How is her play this game different from her town meta?

look

tierce has been talking up nuwen for like weeks now

all the FIRE AND BLOOD AND CUT THE ARM OFF AND PUT SALT IN THE WOUND and whatever it was I've forgotten the exact words

which is

the EXACT

BLOODY

OPPOSITE

of sitting around

not voting

making idle threats

and then COMPLAINING THAT THE GAME IS GOING NOWHERE AND BORING

WHILE YOUR VOTE IS ON NO ONE

BECAUSE IT'S TRENDY TO COMPLAIN

also looking at flavor

this style of posting is remarkably therapeutic but has to look horrible

I'll apologize tomorrow or something

I mean

nuwen as town would

uh

ACTUALLY TRY TO LYNCH SCUM

instead of hanging back and waiting for power roles or flavor or something to incriminate her

is this really such a radical concept

seriously

[Vi]

future wifey, why where you hatin' on my Furc cases on D1 + D2?

Because you were being scum.

This should seriously be your new posting style in all games all the time, it is pretty awesome.

Wait, you WANT me to post like Parama? or maybe Fate; it's SOMEONE.
Either way, I'd like to pretend I have a little dignity when not completely exasperated.

Also, it's a lot easier to bus than defend at L-1, especially when you're scum with them and know exactly which buttons to push to open the trap door under the noose, etc.

[Vi]

@Yos2:

In re: Katsuki - I did mention the other night that Katsuki made that one post that actually did strike me as Townish. Ignoring that for a moment, your axioms aren't terrible, but I must have completely missed what made charter confirmed Town though - if it's Zar's result, then I wouldn't count that (see later axiom involving two scum). Also, for purposes of being fair and balanced (and also WIFOMy) it's worth pointing out that I bussed Adel in Tofu Mafia from page 5 through Day 2 against the will of most of the Town entirely because I wanted him to shut up and get out of my life. But that's a fun sidebar.

Getting back on track somewhere, Magua's post 1630 is something I could stand to lynch over on its own. The major issues with that are:
1) it's not a Nuwen lynch, and
2) it's not a lynch on someone willing to explain the kill situation (i.e. you)

So etc.

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shos, I think you mentioned it somewhere, but whereabouts do you live?

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Vi has claimed to be The Louvre's Mummy
The Death Scene has a message written in Demotic/Ancient Egyptian.
Vi was highly defensive of FurcoScum on D1,
Vi was fencesitting about killing FurcoScum until it was fairly late in the wagon.

I'm canceling our engagement.

VOTE: Vi

What is Louvre? ♪
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me ♫
etc.

I find it quite unlikely that I wrote anything last Night.

I don't remember myself being "highly defensive" of Furcoscum D1, but I do remember myself being very painfully wrong. In retrospect I'm ashamed, because now I can see that he really did look like his scum meta. <.<

[Vi]

I am from Israel, why? it is now 2:18 am.

Curiosity tbh. One of my co-workers is going to move to Saudi Arabia because he likes it there (which I'm taking his word for). I want to go out and see the world, but etc.y etc. So I just like talking to people who have been there. But more of that elsewhen.

I'll kind of wait patiently for someone to explain charter-Town. The "kind of" refers to the patience part.

Hiraki has been around onsite since Day opened so etc.

[Vi]

I cannot translate the rest. but Vi, I believe I'm going to ISO you tomorrow.

You word it like it's a threat and not a promise.~