TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Thestatusquo]

Hey folks. Had a brutal few days at work. Time to get down to bidness in this game, probably tomorrow! So excited.

[Thestatusquo]

Well, this game is off to a terrible start. My sincerest apologies. I am getting my butt kicked right now. I still haven't read anything, and I just received my second prod. I am sorry.

[Thestatusquo]

Wait, for real. Since when do I lurk as scum? Please post examples. You can't just say things in an attempt to get someone true that have no objective basis in reality.

Vote: Ces

[Thestatusquo]

Why in the fuck would I be at all obligated to do that?

[Thestatusquo]

that is true. But at the point I am incredibly behind, do to work, and I figured that just jumping in and starting to play would be better for both me and the town than waiting until I had had a chance to fully prepare my thoughts on the game. I'm here, I'm trying. I am sorry. I do think that ces making a comment like "shea lurks as scum." is something to look at because frankly, I think it's incredibly untrue, so I don't understand what basis he would have for such a claim unless he was inventing a case out of whole cloth to push on me.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't see myself as up on the chopping block, and I am not planning on posting a read list, as I find them incredibly unhelpful to town, and very useful to scum. But, as I said, I am here and playing now. That should be enough considering the fact that I'm reasonably sure the votes on me are for lurking and I'm sure the votes on others are not.

[Thestatusquo]

Put another way: If I am being voted because I was lurking, and now I am not lurking, it makes no sense to continue voting me, since the genesis of the votes is no longer a relevant cause It is preferable to not lynch me here because now you have a chance to read me as opposed to lynching me blind. If my new content makes me seem suspicious to you, then thats a fine reason to vote me, but barring new suspicion, voting a player for lurking when they are no longer lurking makes no sense.

And I do want CES's comment explained, back to game relevant material.

[Thestatusquo]

I am aware its not a non-serious wagon. I just think that as long as I remain here and continue to post content that it should not remain a serious wagon. Surely there are better candidates to lynch than someone who just got caught up in the real world for a little bit.

[Thestatusquo]

What is there to answer? Those are stupid side snipes that mean nothing.

The 'snipes' don't mean nothing and had he not asked you 'who' you were referring to when you said 5 or so other players have done the same thing as you regarding being very active but not stating scum reads I would have asked it. I do want it answered.

I do think that ces making a comment like "shea lurks as scum." is something to look at because frankly, I think it's incredibly untrue, so I don't understand what basis he would have for such a claim unless he was inventing a case out of whole cloth to push on me.

Okay, I get it he stated that you lurk as scum and you don't think you do. That means very little to me, you don't have to post an entire reads list from town-> scum (Though I do think everyone doing so is actually optimal play but that's something for MD not here) but I do want to see a fuckload more content and reads from you.

Also I've narrowed down the pool of people I think are possibly scum to [Amrun, TSQ, Zach, Socio, Llarmable].

How can you possibly narrow down to just 5 possible subjects in 20 pages? You either are the most fantastic scum hunter that ever lived, or you are willfully blinding yourself to other possibilities. I understand the sentiment of, say "I am willing to lynch any of these X people today because I find them the most suspicious." but that's not the way you parsed it, and furthermore, your "list of people who could possibly be scum." seems to oddly parallel those that have been found suspicious of others.


Tell me this, if you have concluded that the people who are possibly scum are in that list of 5 people, then what caused you to discount the other 7 people? Why can't they be scum?

[Thestatusquo]

"by others" not "of others."

Late...

[Thestatusquo]

imo amrun is pretty clearly town, by the way.

It was not directed to you. It was directed to the person who just said he had deduced that the scum were among 5 possible people, oddly enough.

[Thestatusquo]

ffs, amrun, I even quoted the post I was responding to.... *facepalm*

[Thestatusquo]

Well, you could comment on it instead of ignoring it, now that you've figured out what I'm talking about.

[Thestatusquo]

You realize that is in one day, right, zach?

And CES, you can't just say "I trust my team." Like, I am directly challenging something you have said is the reason you think I was scum, you can't say "welp, I believe it, even though I have no proof it is true." And look at day one in weather mafia. I did literally no lurking. Look at consulmaker which you were the mod. I did a lot of day one lurking as town. My game activity, is, shockingly enough, determined by my real life.

Zach, that wasn't my point. My point was essentially that if you are voting someone for lurking, when they stop lurking it makes no sense to leave your vote on them, since you will now get an opportunity to read them that you didn't have before. It's like you're saying "Well, I really don't want to make a more informed lynch on this person. They LURKED for ONE part of ONE day!!!!" Do you not see how that's a nonsensical position, especially considering I haven't been the only inactive player, and my lurking is the type that is much more likely to come from a player who is simply not getting the time to devote to the game, regardless of alignment? Like, do you seriously think that scum would think it beneficial to not post at all? Drawing all attention to themselves? No. Is there town motivation for doing so? No. It's a completely null tell. Let me post content and THEN tell me you think I'm scum. That doesn't sound like an unreasonable request.

[Thestatusquo]

I think the continued attacks on me are laughable. The case on me was that I was lurking. By necessity this is true because I had done nothing else this game. Attempting to continue to attack me after I stopped is, frankly, idiotic, opportunistic, or both.

Claiming that I haven't posted content? That's clearly not true, and frankly, other than her crusade against me, singer really hasn't posted much more content then I have. Its pretty fucking easy to just sit here and do nothing but attack the person who isn't here to defend themselves. Whats the matter, singer, upset that youre losing your easy no strings attached day one lynch?

the claim that somehow I came back at an opportunistic moment is equally bullshit. I was still the number two bandwagon, and considering the fact that I have taken a large amount of flak, with some even saying theyre more willing to vote me now, what possible advantage do you think I've gained,b if I were scum. Serious question. Are you seriously claiming I expected singer and ces to just drop it if I waited until there was another bandwagon? I know yall way better than to think that.

Occams razor says the right explanation is the simplest. That I have had real life issues that have prevented me from giving this game full attention. Hell, look at all my recent site activity from the chess tournament, to the end of whether mafia. I, furthermore do not have any history of lurking day one as scum strategically, and I have even posted many times in md that I pretty much can't stand that strategy. This shit is verifiable, guys.

Attempting to invent reasons why my lurking is more likely to come from scum than town are not persuasive, because its not.

[Thestatusquo]

Basically it boils down to this. Since I am no longer lurking, in order to use it for a reason to vote me, you have to show why you think it is more likely to come from scum shea than town shea. If you plan on doing this, I would like you to provide ONE example of me lurking day one as scum strategically. One. Hell, if you can do that, then maybe I'd be willing to do more than dismiss the continued votes on me as opportunism. Because I'm sure it doesn't exist. Furthermore, you would have to tell me why you think doing what I did as scum puts me at an advantageous position, because frankly, what I'm doing right now, is having a hell of a lot of pressure and having to do a hell of a lot of arguing to convince people that something is a null tell. If you can argue with a straight face that this is the type of position that a scum player attempts to put themselves in, then I don't even know what to tell you.

[Thestatusquo]

I've made three pretty definitive stances, so far. I think thats pretty good for now 2 days of activity. I'm not saying I've climbed out of the hole yet, but I think saying I'm not contributing and focusing only on myself is more than a little unfair. You missed the post where I declared amrun town, and the post where I attacked ces (in fact, a couple of them)

My problem is that you seem to have transfered from "He's lurking lynch lynch lynch." to "He lurked and he's not going to contribute! Lynch lynch lynch." when a its not true and b you're not giving much of a chance to do so. In fact, I would say that it is fairly disengenous to attack me and then attack me for defending myself against your attacks. Like, what would you do if I ignored your attacks against me? Attack me for that, is the answer. Don't try to convince me that it isn't.

[Thestatusquo]

Singer, what in your mind distinguishes johoqs position on me from yours? This isnt a trap question, I'm honestly interested in the answer.

[Thestatusquo]

go ahead and vote me, then, bro. One of the fundamental rules of mafia is that when one is attacked, one defends themselves. If you keep attacking me, I will keep defending myself. I have made several comments which you attempt to paint as "piss poor." or "weak" but they are scum hunting.

My primary focus is staying alive, at this point. As any player, town or scum, would want to do. If I keep getting attacked for lurking, I will keep defending myself on the issue. That's how the game works. Seeing as I am no longer lurking, the attack seems stupid to me, but I've been lynched for dumber things before, so I am paying it due attention. I am happy with my vote, because ces's insistence that I am scum based on shitty reasoning (he lurks as scum!) is bizarre. CES is a much more cerebral player than that. He (and you) can't possibly have enough info on my actions to have a firm read on me one way or the other. Therefore, it is odd and worth noting that he keeps pushing.

Amruns thing is a meta thing. If you'd really like me to divulge it you're going to need a particularly good reason for me to do so (i.e. she's about to get lynched) since I don't give up such information lightly.

[Thestatusquo]

I am also fairly confident that mattias is town. Gut read. I like his posts, and almost every one of them is one I would make myself.

[Thestatusquo]

1) Fair point.

2) Also a fair point, though I think you're underselling how much I've contributed. I think theres a tad bit of confirmation bias which is causing your discount the things I've done.

3) In general it is correct with information, with meta information I would prefer not to share it insofar as I want to be able to read amrun in future games I play with her. If she is aware of tendencies that she is, as of right now, unaware of, then she will be able to avoid doing these things that make me think she's town, and therefore my play with her will suffer in the future. I am willing to say what I've got if it prevents her lynch, but if theres any other option I'd prefer not to.

[Thestatusquo]

CES, a, find me one example where I've done it. Your vote is illegitimate until you do. Secondly, did you not read the bottom of that post where I specifically state that I am pretty much incapable of doing it?

[Thestatusquo]

have to read. llama hasn't posted since I've started playing. Honest answer is honest.

[Thestatusquo]

Hey, I've read. I owe you guys some serious analysis, and that will happen before today (as in, this real life day, not the mafia day) is out.

Sorry about my work life being terrible

[Thestatusquo]

I have officially informed both zoraster and equinox of my intention to replace out of this game, and I have posted in my team quicktopic about it as per the guidelines of team mafia. I am just not able to give this game any attention whatsoever, and that is not fair to you guys or to my team.

I apologize profusely for having to take this option, but I've had some family issues and work issues in the last weeks, and it seems better than to try to skate along with hopes that I'll be able to contribute eventually. I've realized I can't, and this seems like the best way to deal with it for all parties involved. I am sorry.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm tired of empty promises from Shea. He promised his catch up analysis last night and what did he do

for hours

instead? JUST GUESS.

I was willing to be patient, but enough's enough.

vote: Thestatusquo

Also, the answer to that is "talk my mother out of kicking my brother out of the house."

But sure, just guess. Singer, I like and respect you a lot, but never presume to know everything about what is going on in other peoples lives. It breeds resentment and hurt feelings. I fucked up with this game, but that comment is out of line.