TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[SocioPath]

Consider this me asking everyone why they chose this game.

Consider this me answering why I chose this game.


Also, hopefully since singer started in this game as opposed to replacing in, SHE KNOWS THE RULES THIS TIME.

[SocioPath]

The depressing thing though, is that we LOST last years White Flag mafia as well.
So may that as it may, I am not going to make the same mistakes twice.

[SocioPath]

Yes, black and white, those are the only two colors of the rainbow.

[SocioPath]

Also Socio, didn't you pretty much singlehandedly catch the scumteam last year?

Yes, and then the game went to night, and all my words meant nothing.

D1 influence can only go so far.

Lack of action does not mean lack of thought.

[SocioPath]

Socio, what are your thoughts on Haddock

Looking at him isn't as important as looking at his wagon.
He is much finer than those that vote him.

and Jahudo?

Johhog, the way he responds to poking is going to be the determining factor here.

[SocioPath]

Oh and Socio, we want all your teams reads on this game please and thank you.

As far as present time is concerned, just consider everyone in my team to be a bunch of bumbling fools who know nothing of finding scum. Much like myself.
You'd think none of them have ever played mafia before.
Obviously no one has any insight on anything, and should be treated as such.

And who on his wagon looks interesting to you? Come on Socio, get in the game here.

Contextual clues aside, the way Matias snaked his way in is amazing.
The amounts of cognitive dissonance for that vote is neat.
It is like the six degrees of Captain Haddock in here.

Why the hell is Johhog an "easy lynch"?

I agree.

Vote: Johhog

Let us see just how easy this guy is.

[SocioPath]

IT IS AMUSING THAT YOU THINK SUCH.

[SocioPath]

IT IS AMUSING THAT YOU THINK SUCH.

I know your team is scumhunting, if you're town, and your other teammates are not concerned with talking about it. So why are you?

I'll leave that question to the philosophers.

[SocioPath]

I'm using my QT and I may or may not share all information out of it as I see pertinent.

There is zero reason not to share your team's reads with us. ZERO.

I know your team is scumhunting, if you're town, and your other teammates are not concerned with talking about it. So why are you?

IT IS LIKE THEY WRITE THEMSELVES.

[SocioPath]

I'd like Socio's read on TSQ when he comes back, too. He's starting to irk me.

I've never played a game with TSQ, nor do I think I have read a game with him in it.
Which is interesting considering his presence on the site in general certainly isn't unknown.
Until I see more, a vote is a waste regardless.
Especially considering the make up of his team.

[SocioPath]

You're completely missing the point, everyone of you.

OH SORRY.

[SocioPath]

Also Captains replace out for 'lack of help' and 'boring' is something I see more likely to come from town.

Why is that?

[SocioPath]

I'm curious as to what GreyICE doesn't like about shitty life things happening to me...

Oh wait, I bet I can guess.

I agree with the sentiment here that GREY's opinions of anything related to singer is stupid and should be ignored.

Tell me, do you think lurking is ok for anyone to do? Would you allow anyone to get away with it? What about when they come back?

If you answer "yes" to any of these, sdfjanbzl;ksnim fa;kdgjanerlgkjh.

Yes, I plan on letting myself get away with lurking.

[SocioPath]

Could you move your vote someplace useful, Socio?

No, not at this point.
That is for later.


A vote is a vote, whether it is first or last.

[SocioPath]

Yes, I plan on letting myself get away with lurking.

As I suspected.

I DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF TO YOU.

Oh well. You coming to SoL?

I DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF TO YOU.

[SocioPath]

socio

since you're clearly town

Lets not start this shit.

can you vote CES or atleast give an opinion on him please.

You mean the person that has been plastering your name all over his scum list all game?
There are worse people out there, including those that have attacked him.

[SocioPath]

I have no read on Socio because he's making it fucking impossible, and I don't like that.

HOLD UP.
What do you mean, you "don't like that."?

[SocioPath]

Socio, why did you refuse to answer Amrun's post about chosing this game? The answer to this question last year, and I'll quote it is much more comforting about your alignment than the one you gave this year.

Did you read what I wrote last year?
Or did you just quote it for posturing?

In fact your whole play last year seems to be a lot more powerful, energetic, and eager. Your play here is almost the complete opposite of the vigor you had.

Sorry, I am new to this site.

[SocioPath]

Maybe I won't reveal who I a really am...

Anyone paying attention should already know this information anyways.

[SocioPath]

UNFORTUNATELY I am going to have to do this earlier than I would have liked, but ALAS this is the last chance I have to vote.

Unvote
Vote: Amrun

I don't care about anyone's cases are theories on Amrun, those are all fine and dandy, but here is the REAL KICKER:

I have no read on Socio because he's making it fucking impossible, and I don't like that.

THIS GOLDEN BLOSSOM RIGHT HERE.
It is one of those hidden tells that I have and love so much.
Because only scum have this line of thought.

I'll bring a case in point from another past game to limit my need of explaining all this but it goes A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

SocioPath - Leaning scummish because he seems to be playing in a way that makes him intentionally difficult to read.

Scummish...because you cant easily read me as scum or town?
Makes sense.
Maybe I forgot what null means.

Town players should be playing in a way where they're easily read. You are not doing this. Thus, scummish.

Scum players should be playing in a way where they're easily read as town.

WORDING MAY HAVE CHANGED SLIGHTLY BIT THE SWEET SUCCULENT CENTER IS STILL THERE WITH THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS.

[SocioPath]

Socio, now that you have lived past Day 1, do you have any other input?.

YEP.

[SocioPath]

Voting doesn't break rules, just do that and the train of thoughts will follow.


As far as who is scummy, I think that Socio guy is scummy as hell.
He has lurked all game, and hasn't provided much content. (if ANY real content)
Hasn't been helpful at all, hasn't been cooperative with the town and clear townies out there.
Still alive D2 despite being on the returning champion's team with all the insight and knowledge that goes with that.
Has said ONE WORD today so far, which only looks to have been said to dodge prods.

I'm sure someone can come up with a better case for this guy.
I think a wagon on him would be very beneficial at this point to see where everyone stands and why.

Anyone who has called him town is scummy as hell, that is for sure.

BUT ENOUGH ABOUT THAT.



This game will be won with finding a solid scum and a single buddy.
Do not waste time looking for a scum team of three, it doesn't even matter.
Part of my mistake last year was listing three suspects, with third changing up.
Focus on two.
Catching ONE SCUM and tying him to someone is all that is needed.


For scum, Matias is still a snake and needs to be eaten.

Vote: Matias

Also, Amrun brought up an intersting thing about Haddock:

I think Matias tried to encourage suspicion of me without comitting himself and he's asked for opinions without giving any.

I don't find bandwagoning scummy, avoiding bandwagons is something I'd see as more likely to extend RVS.

Then what are your thoughts on Haddock?

I don't agree with you. I don't think Haddock's "vote" was early at all. It was after 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon. Do you agree that, if you don't find bandwagoning scummy, that those that avoid bandwagoning are instead the scummy ones? Or do you feel like that isn't necessarily the case?

Unvote

This is what I'm talking about. Not "early at all"! "After 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon" , like that was anything other than 3 rvs votes on the same person.

Read my earlier post on my bandwagon analysis.

What analysis? I just ISOed you and I can't see any. Notepad?

VOTE: Matias

This post is just terrible. The point of Matias' post was not about Captain Haddock, but about discussing Zachrulez' motivation. This shows that Haddock is image conscious and lashing out at perceived threats.

I missed this completely, but now that I look back on it, Haddock's actions seem really scummy. In context, it seems like a very weird thing for him to say, like he perceived even slightest thing to be a threat. I don't like it.

unvote; vote: Captain Haddock

Unvote, Vote: Captain Haddock

. I'll take your word for it.

Let us look at this disjointedness.
Matias agrees with Bub, which is a quote of what Amrun has pointed out and is agreeing with HER, which was a post by Haddock originally casting suspicion ON Matias himself.
IN WHICH HADDOCK IS EXPLAINING THAT MATIAS IS ENCOURAGING SUSPICION ON HADDOCK WITHOUT COMMITTING HIMSELF.
Which is EXACTLY what he DOES with his vote on that wagon.

KEEP IN MIND that Amrun's post is way after the course of those events as they happened.
Which Matias had already responded to.
In fact Amrun's post was just regurgitation and was nothing to push any thoughts or ideas forward.
Bub jumped on that with a vote while Matias agreed with Bub's agreeing with Amrun's thoughts which was already stated by Matias and then Matias followed up with a vote.
THE DISSONANCE.

Bub is also crappy too.

[SocioPath]

As far as who is scummy, I think that Socio guy is scummy as hell.
He has lurked all game, and hasn't provided much content. (if ANY real content)
Hasn't been helpful at all, hasn't been cooperative with the town and clear townies out there.
Still alive D2 despite being on the returning champion's team with all the insight and knowledge that goes with that.
Has said ONE WORD today so far, which only looks to have been said to dodge prods.

Add "goes after easy targets" to that list. Matias is probtown.

Everyone is an easy target though if you word things right.

[SocioPath]

Are you really going to argue technicalities?

Would that be scummy?

Point is, sometimes Occam's razor applies.

[SocioPath]

All that love from Nacho and he can't even look me in the eyes.

[SocioPath]

I don't understand how in what in the where of Matias and Bub somehow being town.

'Oh hey it happened D1, DOESNT COUNT DOESNT COUNT. IM SAFE.'

...You mean the time where scum are more lax about the things they spew out of their mouth?
If you want to go back even farther, I've disliked Bub since his first posts his did.

And then Matias latched on him.

Also,

Also, socio's reads are total bullshit. He called two the consensus most townie players scumbuds.

I love this quote.

Unvote
Vote: Bub

The dynamic duo will be how we win this game.
The third doesn't even matter.

So I get that you were downsizing your play D1; was catching everyone calling you town for no reason part of the plan?

There are several players, whom, if called town by a player, that player is more likely to be scum.

It works the same way if they call me scum.

My play and play style intentionally 'makes it difficult for me to be read', so basing my theoretical alignment based on HOW I play is silly and a cop out to real reads.
It is the motivation behind the things I do that people should work out my alignment from.

Which makes Nacho a bit of a joke.

[SocioPath]

@Socio...I'm not quite sure I follow this:

There are several players, whom, if called town by a player, that player is more likely to be scum.

It works the same way if they call me scum.

Scum call certain people town to keep them at bay and off of their asses.
Or use it to blindly dismiss a scum buddy.
Regardless of how that "town" player is behaving.

Its one of the reasons why I love lists of reads from peoples so much.

[SocioPath]

Socio, I'm also not sure why you backed off on your read on me. It feels fake because of that.

This statement is dumb and wrong.

[SocioPath]

Vote: Matias

Llamarble being scum really seals the fate of Matias.
His responses yesterday were also so, so terrible.
Boiled down to 'what I did before is irrelevant and my shit doesn't stink.'
And the even better 'you are calling me scum with this guy other guy but you vote this other guy why no so back off on me.'

[SocioPath]

You can sit there and be like "Oh, white flag. Once you lynch two scum, you win. Cool, I understand it", but when mith voted Llamarble last year, everyone went around saying that they couldn't be connected and I doubt a single townie understood the intricacies of how this setup works. I was the same way. Shit like that can be harmful, because it is

how we lost last year

.

But this is wrong.
Because both were alive.
Connecting alive scum to alive scum means nothing when one of them dying means the game is over.

I don't like how he expected his vote on me/Bub to go -anywhere-.

Why is that?

At the end of the day, where was Sociopath? Alone on Bub, with no real explanation. Where is Sociopath today? Sitting on Matias, with no real explanation.

This is adorable.
And wrong.

Matias, we get it. Nobody alive is confirmed town. Now stop with the bullshit semantics and tell us strait up: do you think benmage is town or scum?

I want to see a Bub vote on Matias.
That would make me giddy.
Coach him with your votes.

[SocioPath]

Also, Amrun brought up an intersting thing about Haddock:

I think Matias tried to encourage suspicion of me without comitting himself and he's asked for opinions without giving any.

I don't find bandwagoning scummy, avoiding bandwagons is something I'd see as more likely to extend RVS.

Then what are your thoughts on Haddock?

I don't agree with you. I don't think Haddock's "vote" was early at all. It was after 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon. Do you agree that, if you don't find bandwagoning scummy, that those that avoid bandwagoning are instead the scummy ones? Or do you feel like that isn't necessarily the case?

Unvote

This is what I'm talking about. Not "early at all"! "After 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon" , like that was anything other than 3 rvs votes on the same person.

Read my earlier post on my bandwagon analysis.

What analysis? I just ISOed you and I can't see any. Notepad?

VOTE: Matias

This post is just terrible. The point of Matias' post was not about Captain Haddock, but about discussing Zachrulez' motivation. This shows that Haddock is image conscious and lashing out at perceived threats.

I missed this completely, but now that I look back on it, Haddock's actions seem really scummy. In context, it seems like a very weird thing for him to say, like he perceived even slightest thing to be a threat. I don't like it.

unvote; vote: Captain Haddock

Unvote, Vote: Captain Haddock

. I'll take your word for it.

Let us look at this disjointedness.
Matias agrees with Bub, which is a quote of what Amrun has pointed out and is agreeing with HER, which was a post by Haddock originally casting suspicion ON Matias himself.
IN WHICH HADDOCK IS EXPLAINING THAT MATIAS IS ENCOURAGING SUSPICION ON HADDOCK WITHOUT COMMITTING HIMSELF.
Which is EXACTLY what he DOES with his vote on that wagon.

KEEP IN MIND that Amrun's post is way after the course of those events as they happened.
Which Matias had already responded to.
In fact Amrun's post was just regurgitation and was nothing to push any thoughts or ideas forward.
Bub jumped on that with a vote while Matias agreed with Bub's agreeing with Amrun's thoughts which was already stated by Matias and then Matias followed up with a vote.
THE DISSONANCE.

Bub is also crappy too.

I don't understand how in what in the where of Matias and Bub somehow being town.

'Oh hey it happened D1, DOESNT COUNT DOESNT COUNT. IM SAFE.'

...You mean the time where scum are more lax about the things they spew out of their mouth?
If you want to go back even farther, I've disliked Bub since his first posts his did.

And then Matias latched on him.

Also,

Also, socio's reads are total bullshit. He called two the consensus most townie players scumbuds.

I love this quote.

Unvote
Vote: Bub

The dynamic duo will be how we win this game.
The third doesn't even matter.

[SocioPath]

Also, looking over everything, I think I'm ready to do this:

Vote: Socio

Looking over everything, this makes me happy.

[SocioPath]

We still have 3 days to tie up all the loose ends.

I NEED MORE VOTES.
SHOW ME SOME MOTIVATION.