Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

[Psyche]

/confirm.

[Psyche]

Yeah...I'm tunneling on Kondi D1, shotgun D2. No unvotes until someone else is scummy.

[Psyche]

...Already 12 pages?

[Psyche]

I'm going to swon V/LA to study for exams, but tonight — MS.

Afterwards, I'm self-blocking to ensure diligence.

[Psyche]

No, but we're going to collaborate together and vote the same people.

And yeah basically a trust circle where we get to kick people out if they're scummy and add in the townies

PEdit: Yeah, but I'm starting it like this.

by the way Matt is probably scum

Voting bloc at day start is a terrible idea. It diminishes accountability for votes, blunts scumhunting, and stunts the development of quality through competition. Pluralism for the win.

Kondi is scummy for suggesting it. D:<

[Psyche]

Page 5, kondi is still scum and I'm getting disappointed with the town...

Morton also stands out as scummy...

[Psyche]

DP finding me scummy for not being active in the first 24 hrs is silly.

[Psyche]

Okay, I see that this thread will be high in posts but low in lines per post. Good enough for me.

I kind of wish I were scum, reading this. You guys seem easily subject to cognitive biases and thus manipulation. Since I'm not scum, I'll make an effort of pointing out your biases as the game continues so you can regulate yourselves accordingly. Or I'll get bored and just use your biases to push my top suspects. Eh.

No one here seems particularly boss at mafia, and I don't think I'll be an exception. That's good in a sense for both alliances, since skilled scum are deadly and skilled town are amazing (though often really nitpicky); however, I'd hypothesize this general dearth in extensively developed skill is more of a help for scum — I mean, their job is so much easier.

It's going to be an uphill battle, but I think that as long as we have a good D1 lynch that isn't forced because of deadline, we'll be fine.

/final rumination before posting reads and junk.

PE: As long as you aren't voting to L-2, go for it. But I'd like to have that gut feeling, too, first.

[Psyche]

Scummy:
Kondi
Not for a dumb idea, but for the presentation. It all seems like a scum gambit designed to earn town cred. She did it in a way more affected and grandiose than players usually do. Reminds me of scum earlygame initiative more than a protown tactic.
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Her Chrimi vote was disingenuous. It was definitely NOT done because Kondi found Chrimi scummy — indeed, Kondi barely pushed that reading at all. Instead, it's clear that the vote was done to justify a crappy attempt at reaction fishing. The reasoning behind the Chrimi vote was flimsy, too.
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Her appeal to meta is unimpressive.
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Her claim that Kassadin is readable and seems like town without much elaboration makes me think she's abusing her knowledge of alliances as scum.
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She has nonetheless not been very effectual with her votes and her reads are lacking in substance.

Morton
Lackadaisical response to Kondi, disingenuous or unjustified show of confidence in a trollie vote, mehfulness + apparent knowhow= contradiction

Townish:
Om
Venmar
Trollie
Darkling

What I've got so far. I'm capable of posting more detailed cases on kondi and on morton, which I'll do once I get into the mood.

A few things:
Attacking me for not being active in the first 24 hours of the game is either a noobtell or a scumtell. It's ridiculous to think my inactivity in such a short time span warrants a "lurker" label.

Om should know that I'm not bandwagoning on any vibes, his or anyone else's, until I have my own, substantiated reasons for doing so, which lynch advocates are still responsible for providing.

[Psyche]

vote kondi

The posting is being overdone, guys.

[Psyche]

Is it just me or are you guys protecting a lurker? Or are you protecting him because of the way i tried to pressure him...

Makes his fail seem more legit.

PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE.

BANDWAGON BK AND GET A FREE PRIZE! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!

PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE.

Give me one

good

reason.

[Psyche]

Psyche, you know they show gender under a person's avatar, right?

Also, how the hell would I expect to get towncred from this? I think I've said this multiple times now.

From a dramatic, complex reaction-fishing tactic? Enough in the long run.

[Psyche]

BK wagon...I am dissapoint.

[Psyche]

It's pointless in the long run. I'd be more successful leaving the game in RVS.

I'mma read Morton.

I've used this "hypothetical optimum" defense as scum before. Not too convincing now.

Is it just me or are you guys protecting a lurker? Or are you protecting him because of the way i tried to pressure him...

Makes his fail seem more legit.

Making his fail "seem" more legit is not justification for a townread on him.

Have you read the entire thread so far? I pointed out a VERY scummy post by venmar.

Also to add, Venmar constantly puts his foot into the water regarding his ideas and the second anyne finds him scummy he immediately backtracks. He is showing every classic scumtell in the book.

p-edit: I swear to God Om nom, STFU

I'm not seeing it. Venmar's an earnest newbie.

[Psyche]

Why, om?

[Psyche]

Om, gut reads have to be substantiated or they are blathering/antitown. Sorry.

[Psyche]

Also kuribo said I should probably try and adapt to the playstyle of yelling at people till I get what I want.

They are substantiated by the feel of his posts. The voices inside my head are reading BK's posts in a scummy way.

Ur doin it rong...

Gah. Much of this added discussion is unsubstantial.

[Psyche]

I'm doing it right, that's basically how I caught you and Staeg in 396, except I had a little meta help there.

@MattP: Pffft, as if I'd ever be a boy scout.

Did you get any of us lynched?

[Psyche]

@Psyche: No, but that's because I didn't push it crazily as I'm doing now.

Why not intelligently?

[Psyche]

@Psyche: Answer this question honestly, would you attack Fate for playing like this?

I don't know Fate. So, yes.

Shotgun...no. Trollie's a pretty rad guy.

[Psyche]

V/LA FTWEEKEND

[Psyche]

Scums would be fucking rejoicing now and Faith Healers will be fucking facepalming.
Do I give a shit? Fuck no.
I'm the fucking Cop and the rock-heads who were on me ranting and whining about my posts better fuck off with this shit.

Idiot.

[Psyche]

Okay, lemme think.

13 players.

1 is confirmed town.

NOTE TO ANYONE: IF YOU ARE COP, AND SHOTTY ISNT, CLAIM NOW.

3 are scum.
2 are faith healers.
7 are still unconfirmed townies.

And 1/9 is confirmed town to whichever townie reading this, sans shotgun.

We want shotgun to survive the night. Not organizing the Faith healers to do this is inefficient. Besides, the faith healers' roles are pretty insignificant and they obstruct each other by operation.

The 50% chance of faith healer success means that a claimed faith healer AND cop will present a dilemma for the scum:


On one hand, they'd have a 50% chance of successfully preventing one more role from being confirmed, and killing the cop. However, selecting the cop as a NK target and failing thanks to a faith healer will both lose them a kill AND allow another role to be confirmed the next day.

Therefore, selecting cop as an NK target is still risky for them.

The existence of two poorly organized faith healers, however, decreases this risk for them and provides no viable alternative strategy. A lack of a claimed faith healer is actually reducing our chances of having a surviving cop tomorrow.


On the other hand, a claimed faith healer is not actually much of a loss to town.
Again, Having two active, disorganized faith healers is actually the setup's way of controlling the efficacy of the doctor. A faith healer claiming both removes this disorganization AND isn't much of a risk since we have an extra faith healer after that.


And, we'll have the opportunity for this wonderful strategy:
1. The claimed faith healer protects the cop.
2. The unclaimed faith healer protects the claimed faith healer.
3. The cop scans.

This will optimally increase the risk of a scum NK, regardless of their eventual choice. We'll have a better chance of a cop survival for two reasons:
1. There's a 50% chance a protect will fail.
2. The scum may be motivated by this risk to select a different target.

However, 2. will become an risky decision, itself, thanks to our second faith healer.




With this in mind, I'm going to

claim Faith Healer and elect to protect Shotgun tonight

. I'll need to make sure the other faith healer isn't dumb enough to not trust me tonight, of course, but I think I can handle myself. I'm confident that this is the best way to mindfuck the scum.

[Psyche]

Stop being silly. Someone CCing shotty wouldn't make a difference.

A massclaim would totally reduce the usefulness of the strategy. There needs to be one faith healer announcing what he'll do, and another working in the shadows with respect to this information.

[Psyche]

Kondi's posts still consistently read as proactive scum.

[Psyche]

But what you're not seeing is that the plan goes to shit if you're scum, and I don't trust those odds at all.

I'm not scum. Let the other faith healer decide that. If you're the other faith healer, stfu and decide that to yourself.

[Psyche]

How about the other Faith Healer heals the Cop and you don't?

I won't be protected, though.

[Psyche]

At the cost of Psyche dying D2.

I personally think we should massclaim, but I'm compromising.

This is retarded. Don't you know that faith healers' skill only works 50% of the time?

[Psyche]

A mass claim will not really make things easier for scum. The 50% dynamic of faith healers makes everything tricky for scum, either way. However, a mass claim now would leave 1 PR vulnerable.

If we wait until scum gets lucky and wins the faith healer coin flip, then the faith healers can protect each other. Until then, cop protecting at the expense of faith healer survival is optimal play.


The problem with having the unclaimed healer protect shotty is that it gives scum the obvious option of killing me. Besides, it does not REALLY alleviate fears that "shotty will die because I'm lying scumscum(!)", since in either case, shotty is vulnerable if I am scum.

In all cases,
Shotty is vulnerable to the probability that I am scum.

But in two casescase (I elect to protect not-shotty or we mass claim),
A faith healer is vulnerable AND shotty is vulnerable.


The first case is the most efficient. I

am

trustworthy. I wouldn't make this dumb gambit; it's unnecessary. And I plan to be consistently protown throughout the game. Let it be known to all of you —

no matter what, I am protecting shotty tonight

. Deal with that how you will, other Faith Healer. But try not to be stupid about it.

Kondi is scum trying to improve her NK odds by instilling suspicion. It is ungrounded. There is no reason to think I am lying. I wouldn't have claimed if I didn't think I had a sufficient townie record this game. There's no need to place extra doubt on it.

[Psyche]

There is more than a 50% chance that I am scum. It's not like you don't have a whole thread to make that judgment from.

Besides, there are only 3 scum and 13 players. To suppose there's s fifty percent chance I'm scum is silly. Statistics can say whatever you want them to. They are not a useful tool in this situation. Just read my iso at the end of the day and decide if I'm a liar or not. That is the otimal way to approach this.

[Psyche]

You wouldn't make this dumb gambit? But I would make a dumb gambit as scum involving a voting bloc that doesn't help me at all? And you're still calling me a girl?

I've already explained that you have a 3/5 chance of being scum FMPOV. I'm not trusting you.

Having the other FH protect shotgun works BECAUSE you get killed if town. Then, the other FH can stay quiet and keep protecting shotgun.

Massclaim works like your plan if we don't trust you. It doesn't matter if one FH is unprotected as long as shotgun stays alive.

You're not scum for making a dumb gambit. You're scum for being scummy. Duh.

Your point of view is stupid. This thread is full of my posts and you're relying on weak theoretical probability. How smart is that?

[Psyche]

Btw, is there any good reason to lynch BK? Because all I see is Om's gut.

[Psyche]

Also, with my strategy, we have a 50% chance of confirming me as town tonight if the scumkill fails. It'll either be because I was targetted by scum or because shotgun was targetted as scum and a protect was a success.

By D2, we'll have 3 confirmed townies (or two confirmed townies + confirmed scum) and no dead townies, including a surviving cop. It's a more ambitious hope than other strategies can provide. I understand that it is only reasonable from the perspective that I am town, but if I can successfully prove to you (or, specifically, the faith healer) that I am town, then there is no problem with this strategy and we'll have achieved the optimum.

@Kondi: Oh, I thought it was because of the 3 scum: 2 Faith healer odds. Kk.

[Psyche]

Sigh. Going through my notes, I have to admit that kondi is no longer my strongest scum read and that I've been unintelligently tunneling her. Him. Goddamn it, him. Sorry, your user reminds me of Condoleezza Rice.

The reasons I find him scummy include a consistent gut reaction to his posts. I don't think his early posts were a gambit as much as I think they were a disingenuous/scummy attempt to show earlygame initiative. It was much too affected and grandiose for my taste.

"gambit" suggests that he risked something for some bigger gain later, which isn't a good description of what I feel occurred.

His Chrimi vote clearly served not one purpose except to show that his earlygame tactic wasn't useless. All of her earlygame posts have this tone — "Silly human! I am above you and all my activities are above yours! How dumb of you to think otherwise!" — that I usually see in scum.

The thing is, Kassadin is (usually) the easiest person to read, ever. In the games I'm with him in when he's town, I can tell within posts. If he's scum, I usually get null vibes from him.

OmNom is town.

Reads as scum abusing his access to knowledge.

[Psyche]

So, who is your strongest scumread, and why aren't you voting them?

Also, what's your personal read of BK?

There's absolutely no apparent reason to think BK is scum.

I'm not changing my vote until I post a case on my strongest read, morton so that it is justified. Until then, I'm fine keeping my vite on a less strong scumread.

[Psyche]

REASONS MY INTENTION READS ARE TOWN

OmNom:

 

Why would you even vote me? I said I will REPLACE OUT if he isn't PL'd.

Because you did it in a scummy manner. Plus, if he's doing alright as you said he was, what need is there for a PL?

Kassadin is town. We're not lynching him. I guarantee one scum in my crowd who keeps pushing it.

Why would you even vote me? I said I will REPLACE OUT if he isn't PL'd.

Because you did it in a scummy manner. Plus, if he's doing alright as you said he was, what need is there for a PL?

Kassadin is town. We're not lynching him. I guarantee one scum in my crowd who keeps pushing it.

I still want him PL'ed.
I did blacklist him for a reason you know.

OmNom WOULD NOT continue pushing the Kassadin PL after I called him definite town if he were scum.

vijay:

 

Vijay pushed for [the voting bloc] when EVERYONE disagreed with it. Dont think he'd touch that area as scum. He's probably town.

Kassadin:

I just skimmed through the posts made since last night. Kass is 99% town. As scum, he would not have admitted to skimming the thread.

Venmar:

the fact that he's pretty new makes him an easier read. He didn't bandwagon on me with the bloc thing and gave a different opinion on it, plus the general disagreeing with the crowd over it.

Darkling:

He found (good) reasons that I could be town or scum due to the bait, when he could easily slip one way or the other as scum. It's like fencesitting, but in a towny way because it's unnecessary. He also didn't really push anyone until later, when there was plenty of opportunity to before.

MattP:

Townslipped, already explained.

Good enough?

Not at all convincing. Though I share your reads, I don't think you'd develop them so arbitrarily as town. You aren't diffident enough. I still think you're abusing your scum knowledge.

By the way, MattP townslipped.

Hmmmm.. XD just kidding.

1 for 1 is always good imo, even if we lose our cop. But seriously, this claiming. *sigh* might as well say it, I'm a Faith Healer as well.

All other FHs should claim now.

We aren't PLing today guys. Let shotgun sort that out for us. Once Kass is conftown/scum we can let scum nightkill him or we can lynch him.

NOOOOOO. I knew you were the Healer, too.

Okay, I had a good feeling.

THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN I ALREADY ILLUSTRATED WHY HE WILL NOT BE LYNCHED AND WILL MAKE US LOSE IN LYLO

I AM NOT LOSING BECAUSE OF HIM I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO

KONDI GET YOUR VOTE BACK ON HIM

This is bullshit kondi, how the fuck was it a good call? He didn't reveal anything we didn't already know, you just piggybacked his point. Well guess what, you and Kass are scumbuddies and that's why you were so hesitant to get on the wagon and were so quick to get off for BS reasoning. After we get him lynched you're next

/RAGE

There is absolutely no good reason to lynch anyone we can know is town. I don't care if Kassadin survives to LYLO if he's town. It's positively antitown to lynch someone so harmless without respect to their alliance. 

Besides, there's not going to be a LYLO. This will not be a close game. We need more faith in our efficacy.

Kondi needs to die. My scumdar has never pinged so consistently. Morton is either not scum or can die tomorrow after he's posted more.

[Psyche]

I notice I'm getting voted again. at least let me read the new 3-4 pages before you hammer me like a nub

Vijay, we should get right back onto BK for this post.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: BK
I never would have thought that there was nervous scum this obvious.

You're being very irksome, Om.

[Psyche]

Kondi, your willingness to base confident reads on sparse data contrasts with your willingness to settle for second-rate lynches. You're too opportunistic, and too easy with your reads. Probscum.

Bah. Okay, let's discuss opportunity costs. If we don't lynch Kass, we need to scan Kass. Supposing that we'll only have 0 to 2 scans this game, one has to wonder what we'll lose by scanning Kass instead of someone else.

Everyone — if you were the cop tonight, who would you scan and why? I want to see passionate argumentation. Feel free to give a list of up to 3 players, but there needs to be a top.

Shotgun can use this to choose who he'll be scanning, and it can be used later to draw reads.

[Psyche]

I like Kass. I just wish Kass's posts were more wordy.

Say Kass, you'll give me some input on that, right? But could you answer these questions, too:

Why do you play mafia? If it's because it's fun or evokes some other feeling, why does it evoke that feeling?

What is your strategy in mafia? Your playing philosophy that guides your posting and reading?

How do you feel about other players' animosity toward you?

[Psyche]

Maybe we should scan BK. I'm getting strong null reads from that fellow.

Yeah, my answer to my own question is BK.

I'm kind of curious about Om's usefulness.

[Psyche]

Good call, vijay. UNVOTE:

This is bullshit kondi, how the fuck was it a good call? He didn't reveal anything we didn't already know, you just piggybacked his point. Well guess what, you and Kass are scumbuddies and that's why you were so hesitant to get on the wagon and were so quick to get off for BS reasoning. After we get him lynched you're next

Matt, like I said, I'm not retarded. If he were my buddy, I would have bussed that shit to next week.

I want to see if there are any Fith Healer CCs first.

You can't refute every point made against you with WIFOM, that's not how this works. Your vote on Kass has nothing to do with Faith Healer roleclaims, you could have had your vote on him and also waited for counterclaims, that's a

blatant fucking lie.

until there is a counterclaim, which there won't be because Psyche and vijay are town and even if vijay was scum he wouldn't claim because the last faith healer would have no reason not to counterclaim, there should be pressure on Kass. I stick to the fact that your unvote on Kass and your reasoning for it are incredibly scummy.

It's a scumslip because his reasoning for unvoting was a LIE.

I'm not contradicting this since I want kondi lynched, but I'd like to note that this isn't the sole reason why kondi needs to die.

[Psyche]

That's not a slip. Lying isnt something only scum do.

Furthermore I thought he understood the point I made about shotgun copping Kass.

Okay. Do you think Kondi is town?

[Psyche]

You can't refute every point made against you with WIFOM, that's not how this works.

Your vote on Kass has nothing to do with Faith Healer roleclaims, you could have had your vote on him and also waited for counterclaims, that's a blatant fucking lie.

Can't wait to see you and Kass as Deadscum

@Psyche: Answer this question honestly, would you attack Fate for playing like this?

Hey, my gut reads are great, and you should all listen to me. Fate told me to be super special confident in my reads and I'm totally following that advice with all my heart.

PEDIT: If he flips town then oh well, my gut was wrong for once. But he won't flip town because my gut read is on him.

I'm playing basically the same way Fate does in almost all of his games. Knowing that would you attack him?

This is the way Fate plays, he finds a target and stops at nothing to get them lynched. If I'm going to be attacked for playing like this when he does it all the time and gets off scot free then I will be pissed.

Sorry, can't explain the gut reads any further. Just learn to trust my gut, it's really awesome.

You're scum(or at the very least anti-town) for adapting somebody's playstyle and using it as an excuse to be an idiot rather than you be pro-town.

He's antitown. You'll have to get over that and focus on players who are scummy like your win condition supposedly tells you to.

[Psyche]

VOTE: BK
Cuz I feel like it. I expect OmNom's Free Prize thing is still valid.

Compromise: Vote Kondi; Scan BK

I think it's time to form that voting block now that the PRs have claimed.

[Psyche]

I want in my voting block:

Shotgun
Om
Me
Matt
Vijay
Trollie

Voting Bloc Rules:
The point of a voting bloc is to usefully organize votes such that things get done. Players will have to compromise and vote for their null reads when doing this. Discussion, however, should be free, as free discourse allows ideas to compete and the best ones to win.

When a plurality of players in a voting bloc decide to seriously vote for someone, that plurality can entreat other players in the bloc to vote the player by producing a point-by-point case against him.

Unless other players in the bloc have strong town reads on that player and can justify them, these players should join the plurality and give it strength.


This is useful to all players in the bloc, because it strengthens their voice by rendering other players amenable to compromise. However, for the efficacy of the bloc to be successful, all players must be willing to compromise on their null reads.

Which if you are game?

[Psyche]

Say /in if you agree. If you don't want someone in the bloc, say so and we will compromise.

[Psyche]

ITT I learn that shotgun is hard as **** to read.

[Psyche]

I do vote that we scan BK. All on agreement?

(we can say, "Aye" for motions; lol)

[Psyche]

Okay, anyone else? Kass, BK or someone else (like morton? I also like Morton)

Also, shotgun's opinion on this should count as two votes since he's the one who won the cop role.

And Trollie's position on the block is tentative. Other players deserve it as much as he does. :/

[Psyche]

Players:

drmyshotgun
Om of the Nom
vijay2vasandani

Kassadin
Venmar
Darkling_Perhaps
BK201

kondi2424
Psyche

mortontfrh
Chrimi
TheTrollie

MattP

I do have 3 town reads in here. Leaving 4 people.

Scanning BK would work. Scanning morton would be really nice, too, but I don't want any more debate over BK.

[Psyche]

Also, I request the honors of hammering myself.

:S

Sigh. We should stall the lynch a sec.

[Psyche]

Wait. Why doesn't kondi want us to get a read from the hammer?

No, Kondi, don't self-hammer. We need the info.

[Psyche]

so much AtE, Kondi. Besides you should wait to see if anyone CC's.

Ugh. My first bad vibe.
You really should scan this guy, shotty. A tested leaning-scum read can do wonders for our mislynch frequency.

Null reads aren't a problem — weak scum reads, however, will likely stay that way the whole game and torture our capacity for indecision.

[Psyche]

That was bad wording. ^^

Kondi, give us a good alternative case and you might be saved.

[Psyche]

AtE is comically easy to do. I'm not going to stop pushing a kondi lynch unless we get a case that outweighs my read on him.

[Psyche]

Nope. I am being lynched today. You guys are not going to follow my reads unless I die. I'm happy with gathering a case on BK, but you guys are going to lynch him regardless.

PEdit: shotgun, what game are you referring to?

Kondi, I'm an infidel. In any competition between reason and martyrs, reason always wins.

[Psyche]

Yeah. I want to tempt potential scum-hammerers. We should return to L-1.

[Psyche]

BK probably isn't dying tomorrow if you don't scan him tonight and get a scum result. Just sayin'.

[Psyche]

Players who haven't had a chance to comment on the claims:

Chrimi
DP

[Psyche]

Oh, right. I'm sorry; I checked them and forgot to add them to the list.

Kassadin has posted after vijay's claim.

[Psyche]

Actually, forget my point about scanning Kass. When Kondi flips scum it will be obvious that Kass is scum due to association.

Scan someone loud as they are the easiest for scum to mislynch. BK would be fine.

No, too wifomy. I had exactly the opposite idea. Kass is a townleaning null.

[Psyche]

Psyche, you are lynching BK tomorrow. Period.

Mhm.

[Psyche]

We trust your word, BK.

We should scan kondi. He's too useful to lynch on a whim.

Okay, who wants to shift pressure to morton now? This bloc thing is working.

unvote; vote morton

[Psyche]

It was a good AtE. All the scumvibes fell flat.

[Psyche]

I'm okay with other players voting with the bloc and discussing bloc issues. You just don't get to join the 399 Security Council until your posts warrant the Council's esteemed badge of approval.

I need to go over that bloc and make sure everyone deserves that badge once and for all...

[Psyche]

Players:
drmyshotgun
Om of the Nom
vijay2vasandani
Kassadin
Venmar
Darkling_Perhaps
BK201
kondi2424
Psyche
mortontfrh
Chrimi
TheTrollie
MattP

Those in the Bloc With Esteem:
Shotgun
Psyche
Vijay
Matt
Om

Of Tentative Standing in the Bloc:
(Should be everyone who three of us have a townread on)
Trollie
Kondi

Anyone else?

[Psyche]

Oh and Kassadin is banned, even though we all know he's town

I know nothing.

Okay, so how bout that case on BK..?

[Psyche]

Okay. We need more reads.

or Kass is dying today.

One problem with this bloc is that people aren't justifying their reads. If you're voting morton, why not tell us why/what/how strong your read is?

[Psyche]

Vote: Drmyshotgun

for being the only person i've played with.

That voting bloc is pretty lulzy.

Lackadaisical. Scum tend to emphasize PR work over scumhunt work.

TrollTollie #84 - Let me know when you actually start scumhunting so I can actually take your posts seriously. For now, this wishy washy fake scum hunting isn't going to fly. 

p-edit: now that mattp voted kassadin...should i do it too? i guess so, right shot?

Wouldn't want to have to risk actually putting your foot in the water now would we? Let's instead ask someone else, so we can use their response as a way to back out of the wagon later.

Vote: TrollTollie

I'll start believing your act when you start actually looking for scum rather than the easiest lynch you can get.

This seems pretty affected and the confidence is a facade or at least unjustified, as the case is too weak. Seems again like PR work over legit scumhunting.

***

We need to stop posting tons so morton can catch up.

[Psyche]

cool

...Why?

[Psyche]

Why do you play, Kass?

[Psyche]

P.S. If morton does not come within 3 hours,. Im gonna hammer

cause im pro

KILL THIS BASTARD.

Kondi scan, BK scan, whatever. Just get us a new member to the bloc who we have worse than a null read on.

[Psyche]

Yeah probably. I'm dead anyway.

Who knows. Maybe I'll protect you tonight.

/WIFOM

PE: WTF????

[Psyche]

In order to catch scum, I will now claim.

I AM FH.

Either Vijay or Psyche is lying.

KILL THEM WITH FUCKING FIRE, OKAYYYY?!

Ahahaha. This changes things.

Who would have the balls? Vijay or Chrimi...

Shotgun, if your read on me is good enough, then obviously you should scan one of those. It's a 2 for 1.

[Psyche]

MY FUCKING GOD

THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAMMER LIKE THIS VIJAY

Vijay is town. VIJAY WILL PROTECT SHOTGUN. Both Psyche and Chrimi will protect vijay.

No. I am protecting shotty. Period.

[Psyche]

Shotgun, either Psyche or Chrimi will do. It's probay Psyche, as Chrimi had no reason AT ALL to claim at this point.

So misguided!

Shotgun, a Chrimi scan, please. It'll be no use for me if you scan me.

[Psyche]

Scumpoints? Okay.

I'm really glad scum decided to claim. That's really what makes all this massclaiming junk worth it.

Yeah. Vijay is the best scan. We need shotty to get a scumscan for his result to be definitive.

Kondi, I'm protecting shotgun and that's that. If you want our chance of having a successful protect to fall to zero, lolk.

[Psyche]

It's amazing how this whole logic thing works out.

I'm more willing to bet Vijay is scum than Chrimi. Chrimi's claim seems more legit.

[Psyche]

No! The whole thing is ruined!

I'm not backing down. I am protecting shotty. Screw all of you.

[Psyche]

Okay, me and Vijay both protect shotty. That keeps things stable.

Scum won't NK a faith healer if they want a successful mislynch tomorrow. But they'll probably aim for who they think is getting scanned if it is town. That would be optimal play.

[Psyche]

We need to leave the call to shotgun. He should leave no hint on his final choice.

[Psyche]

Goddamn it. Guys, I've worked so hard to build the capital necessary to ensure a strong N1. Are guys seriously still doubting my Townhood? After all of this?

[Psyche]

But yeah. Chrimi is almost definitely not lying. If we have one liar and one healer doing the protect, shotty is fine.

Look at Vijay's hammer. Do you think that was accidental? I am town. Every single post of mine has been a manifestation of my passionate devotion to winning this game for town. Come on!

[Psyche]

Oh, yea. Scanning me is fine, then, if we agree that Chrimi is town.

[Psyche]

Right. Shotty should scan me or Vijay. Chrimi's going to be NKed tonight, probably.

[Psyche]

Psyche, you can't AtE like the kondi

-_-

Get over yourself, Kondi.

[Psyche]

But yeah. Vijay hasn't been nearly as town as I have. He was

only

town by virtue of his claim. Don't we all remember that?

[Psyche]

Goddamn it. Guys, I've worked so hard to build the capital necessary to ensure a strong N1. Are guys seriously still doubting my Townhood? After all of this?

DUH, YES.

The way you claimed made it so the FH's would both think they were the 'other' FH's, and ensure that the cop wasn't protected for an NK. The next day you could say "Damn looks like I'm unlucky" Or some shit. When vijay claimed, it was to make things simple so that the real other FH could also claim if there was one, therefore putting fake claiming out of the picture.

This makes Psyche scum, Vijay town.

But, Vijay could've claimed just to get the other FH to come out of his hiding.

So it really could be either one.

I still think Psyche is more likely...

You're reasoning just isn't correct. I'm not sure how you impose thinking processes on players as you read them, but you're doing it wrong.

Optimal scumplay is to NK the claimant who is has the most social capital in this issue — Chrimi. So shotty scanning one of us, regardless of his choice, should work fine.

Of course, scum could also target shotty and take a 50% risk. That would leave D2 in chaos. High risk, high reward.

Sigh. We have a plan, guys. The night will be a mystery, but at least we're pushing into the unknown with intelligence.

Vijay's hammer ruined the Day. I didn't want to lynch someone with such a low postcount...My read was leaning scum at best. Kassadin was still the best choice.

[Psyche]

Agh. My read on Vijay is better than mine on Chrimi. Chrimi's claim is his sole redemption.

I hope shotgun scans vijay. Oh well, I'm going to bed.

[Psyche]

I didn't want to lynch someone with such a low postcount...My read was leaning scum at best. Kassadin was still the best choice.

Why do you say that you don't want to lynch someone with such a low post count and then say that Kassadin would have been a preferable lynch? Kassadin hasn't posted that much more than me and almost all of his posts have been short 1 liner type of ordeals.

Kass is the generic PL choice. A perfect backup lynch. Since she exists, the value of lynching any player must exceed that of losing her.

[Psyche]

Scanning me would leave me uncertain. I suppose I shouldn't be so selfish as to prefer my own certainty over that of the town.

I also feel like all my public relations work should pay off, like scanning me

should

seem like a redundant waste. /grumble

But seriously. Shotgun needs a scum result for this to be final. Chrimi

could

be gambitting. I know that I'm town, so it's obvious why I'd prefer a Vijay or Chrimi scan. Chrimi's claim seems more legit than Vijay's.

[Psyche]

If a scan between vijay and Psyche doesn't make a difference to you guys, then scanning Psyche shouldn't be a problem.

Chrimi will probably die tonight, BK.

Really, the scum can just kill who we end up choosing to investigate and we would end up wasting an investigation.

I say Gunny picks whoever he wants to pick.

This is late.

If Chrimi is scum, we're probably going to mislynch tomorrow.

[Psyche]

Just remember that vijay started out looking like the town one of the bunch, and it got twisted during this conversation.

No...it was vijay who was declared scum at the start of this convo.

[Psyche]

Scum probably won't risk the 50%. If Chrimi is town, he's probably getting NKed. Won't make a difference if he isn't.

If Vijay is town, we are screwed. Shotty dies tonight and I get mislynched tomorrow.

I don't like the idea of being mislynched. I hate being mislynched — it's the ultimate failure. Maybe I should be scanned.

Pedit: No, I'm going to go with my read. Chrimi is town and Vijay is scum by default.

Scan whoever. I can't wait to make fun of Kondi.

Vijay, explain.

[Psyche]

Ugh!!!! Vijay's looking good. This is a nightmare!

[Psyche]

Hey Chrimi, where over the course of the last few pages did you get convinced that it was vijay over Psyche?

At least I'm being consistent here.

PEdit: vijay, terrible idea. Then shotgun won't be protected.

This whole thing is comical. For a second I even wondered if the Mod had sent out three FH roles by accident. No such luck.

No matter what, we're in a really precarious situation...

[Psyche]

It's also fun to note that Psyche stopped calling himself oh so town after I called him out on it.

What are you talking about? I stopped calling myself oh so town after everyone contradicted me. You're such an idiot, Kondi. I can't wait to prove you wrong.

[Psyche]

Let's decide this with our handy dandy unofficial voting.

We all nedd to vote on who we think should protect shotty. Two players, one needs to be who we think is a liar.

Vijay, there's a 50% chance the Protect fails. There's no use relying on it.

[Psyche]

I'm protecting shotty, period. Too much is at stake; I'm not risking anything.

Of course, I'll stop being stubborn if both Chrimi AND Vijay promise to protect shotgun.

[Psyche]

Hah, I'm such an idiot? You've resorted to insulting my intelligence?

That's low, Psyche. Low and unnecessary.

PEdit: Yes.

Chrimi protects shotgun, other protects Chrimi.

Sorry. I really am and regretted it as soon as I said it.

[Psyche]

This situation is why I play mafia.

Me and Chrimi seem to be on similar wavelengths; just with different knowledge. I suppose I might trust him to protect shotgun...

[Psyche]

Damn it. I suck at this stubborness thing.

Fine. I'll protect Chrimi and accept death tonight. Still hoping Vijay is the one scanned for the sake of my sanity, but fine with a Psyche scan since it'll relieve mislynch anxiety.

[Psyche]

Well, if the scum assume a scan success, they'll just NK the future confirmed townie and accept their losses.

But they could just lynch some random townie and observe the chaos on the following day. You can bet they'll be actively pushing a mislynch if they can. By the time we lynch the liar, the association tells will be rich.

I'm still optimistic about this game.

[Psyche]

I'm confused now... Psyche is looking town.

Let's just stop being confused and go to sleep. It kills me that Night will last so long. Oh, the suspense!

[Psyche]

(/wonders if Chrimi is happy because his wrench in the game was an astounding success)

Goddamn it, I'm leaving this thread now before I explode.

...Probably not.

[Psyche]

If I'm scum, my partner is Chrimi and Kassadin is a Faith Healer trolling us all. -_-

[Psyche]

Okay Chrimi and me protect shotgun, Psyche on me or Chrimi, whoever he wants.

Get this shit sorted.

Also, it's 75% chance of surviving. And TRUST ME, EVERYTHING WILL BE CLEAR TOMORROW.

P.Edit: fucks sake. You guys will all have wasted your time here by tomorrow.

I wish you'd spam more. I'd be happier if you spammed.

[Psyche]

WHAT THE FUCK

Guys, you aren't gonna like this... I misread my Role PM. I'm the Cop.

POLICY LYNCH THIS STRAIGHTAWAY.

[Psyche]

No, Vijay, you don't protect shotgun.

You or Psyche protect me if you are somehow the FH.
I protect shotgun.

Are you not reading what we're saying?

If you do this wrong and we're both FH then drmyshotgun has no chance of survival if we are.

It's weird. I totally overlooked that since I found it such a wonderful idea.

[Psyche]

Yeah, I knew it was a joke.

A terrible joke that made my chest hurt. At least Kassadin doesn't do that!

[Psyche]

Same question Psyche: Suppose I'm town. What do you think about this game? Who would your suspects be?

I'm maintaining a town read on you already, for now. You general overconfidence with your reads makes connection tells useless, but it's now clear that they are your playstyle, not your alliance.

After Vijay, I would want to see whoever jumped around enough (first, immediately to me, then to Vijay) after Chrimi claimed be lynched. Nothing strong, though.

[Psyche]

Chrimi is definitely the other FH. I don't need a goddamn cop scan.

[Psyche]

So you think I'm just terribly mistaken on vijay, Psyche?

Oh, God, I hope so. (So don't NK me — leave me alive and I'll White Knight you and everything. QQ)

Oh, Om. I need all the content I can get!!!

[Psyche]

Thank god the mod is sleeping xD

I have a feeling that Om's gut is a manifestation of Jesus. I want BK dealt with by lynch or scan as soon as this lying scum thing is.

Pedit: Sigh, I was saying such nice things about you, Om.

A quote I have saved in my notes I decided not to post:

Mah scumreads are Dark, Morton and Chrimi.

Also don't worry, I've got reading Psyche covered.

Hahaha. Okay. I'm expecting a false positive, though, based on our history. Surprise me.

[Psyche]

The fuck is going on.

You really shouldn't post until D2.

[Psyche]

Well, I

want

to investigate them. So pretty much the same thing.

When you came in, I imagined a Ponyta in MLP form saying that.

[Psyche]

No. I'm serious. It has to be me.

CALL THIS GUY'S DAMNED BLUFF.

[Psyche]

Om, do you know about this psychological bias called reactance?

By the way, Shotty, Vijay's being curt to avoid tipping your read and begging for your scan to evoke reactance. It's imperative that you get a scum result, whomever you choose. Any other will leave the town bereft of certainty.

[Psyche]

Aw. I was trying to troll you.

[Psyche]

A lot.

[Psyche]

I don't and did not care what anyone thought. My strategy was boss — or at least optimal. But people had to make it all complicated by doubting it.

In the end, though, I came to the thread planning to rock the boat with a claim and used shotty's claim to rationalize it. I'm, like, never PR. I wanted to make a show of it. And what show, guys. What a show.

I wish it were more coherent, though.

[Psyche]

I wasn't expecting anyone else to claim, mind you. I just wanted to make sure shotty survived the night by both presenting myself as a sacrifice and making the scum's NK choices impossible.

I had it so that scum couldn't target a PR without risking a lost NK. It was perfect.

[Psyche]

We should shut up until the mod posts. Ofc.

[Psyche]

Well. So I'm going to go ahead and admit that I protected myself last night.

I was thinking that if scum were unwilling to NK shotty with a 50% risk, they'd almost definitely be unwilling to NK Chrimi (if town) with a 50% risk since I'd committed to protecting her. Me actually fulfilling that committment then would've been pointless.

Since I didn't really need to protect my top PR read, I could protect someone else in order to increase the chance that the scum NK will fail.

And then I Realized that I could protect myself.


I'm not saying that I was targetted and that my thinking saved us from the Night, but I did help our chances.

[Psyche]

Oh, Kassadin. U so funny.

I'll wait for shotty.

[Psyche]

I lied That's why I kept insisting the other FH claim because I knew there was another one. I just wanted to lower the chances scum hits one of our PRs and avoid scum fakeclaiming. I didn't know if Psyche was town or not, so I claimed. If he was scum then we'd have two more claims and shotgun can save us. But since only one other claim was made, these two are town.

We should have four confirmed town if shotgun got his stuff sorted (ie investigated me).

Son of a bitch!

[Psyche]

Well there goes the plan of the day. If this weren't an Open setup, I'd vote you so quickly...

[Psyche]

What if shotgun had gotten killed? We'd have 3 mislynches and a completely confused scumteam. YOU ruined my beautiful plan!

I'll get you for this, Vijay. One day! Maybe not this game, maybe not the next! Probably not even in a game since it'd be against site rules. But one day!

[Psyche]

It's an open setup. Read the role pm. i can select any player.

[Psyche]

Yeah, because he made one PR claim and motivated shotgun to scan him.

[Psyche]

I'm interested in what scum were thinking during all this. I hope it shows up in the 45 page reread.

[Psyche]

Or me. I'm thinking they targetted me. I was "unprotected", after all.

[Psyche]

Damned Vijay!

[Psyche]

"Kassadin" and "Case" in the same sentence.

vote Kassadin

[Psyche]

So who are in the Block?

Psyche, Kass ain't scum.

I wish you could've used your scan more productively with respect to that.

And then there's Condoleeza.

[Psyche]

Matt is not in the block. Sorry.

[Psyche]

...I promised to reread the thread tonight in another game. V/LA until then.

[Psyche]

Vijay what you did there was so sacrificial and beneficial to the town... I love you now.

And shotty is safe! I was successful

Tell me. What beneficial thing did Vijay do?

[Psyche]

Okay, i disagree with you guys for voting on Kondi. He is clearly not scum in my eyes...

Wow, that's funny Venmar, because the last two times you mentioned Kondi prior to this:

I don't like how Shotgun and Kondie are basically buddying each other.

Limbo ( Not sure if Mafia or Townie )

- Kondi

(

You know, i am leaning scum just for the bloc at the beginning of the game

, but at the same time i kind of believe him that it could have been a bait trying to arouse reactions from others. His further activity in this game has been promising, so i doubt he is mafia because making that bloc would have been a fairly dumb mafia move. Seeing as Kondi doesn't strike me as a bad player, i doubt that it was scum mistake.

This makes it seem like kondi is town and venmar is scum and venmar is trying to keep his hands clean from the bloodbath that would have arisen if kondi flipped town. He was never outright against a kondi-scum read, so him saying that he is "clearly not scum in his eyes" and that lynching him is a mistake is classic scum distancing from a town lynch.

Oh, look, an excuse not to read the thread.

Vote Venmar

That's fine, Trollie.

[Psyche]

At least it's never boring.

[Psyche]

You're so weird, shotgun.

[Psyche]

And we all know how —
I'll shut up.

[Psyche]

THAT POOR TURTLE. I HAVE TO UNVOTE NOW.

Okay guys, one at a time. Chrimi, I'm protecting shotty. I wouldn't copy my self-protecting tactic if I were you.

Shotty, scan someone scummy, if you would, please.

[Psyche]

I want kondi dealt with once and for all. That's my two cents.

[Psyche]

come at me

Nevermind. Scan this ************.

[Psyche]

Do you really want us to explain? Cuz this thread is public knowledge.

[Psyche]

I'd like to confirm Matt., but I'd be expecting a town result. But he'd be a nice add to the bloc.

Yes Venmar, you may live until LYLO.

[Psyche]

If your town, ur being completely anti town. If you are town, unvote yourself.

No you most

certainly

can't live.

Why not? He's not doing anything.

[Psyche]

Lol, I'm joking about it. We're killing Venmar. Tomorrow we'll have more information for a better-informed lynch. But now, we have perfct assurance that we aren't mislynching.

[Psyche]

But not selfvoting, you're allowing us more information, turtleman.

Hey. We'll taketurns, Chrimi. Sentry duty. And you know what, it's your choice. Protect yourself, or protect me. I'm just protecting shotty fo sho.

[Psyche]

I'm really okay with any of those.

[Psyche]

I've been helpful? My top reads were Kondi and Morton. Ugh. I still don't have the hang of this scumhunting thing.

[Psyche]

I'm pretty sure we had kondi connected with someone back in D1...

[Psyche]

Okay, we can drop the spam.

[Psyche]

Daykill: Vijay

You heRd the man.

[Psyche]

Also, shotgun: you are either investigating me or Trollie tonight. No exceptions.

Kondi Postin in dis thread like she own da place o sumthin.

[Psyche]

The scumteam could use a bit of risk aversion, it seems. :/

[Psyche]

Well. First we wait for shotty...

[Psyche]

Woohoo.

vote Trollie

[Psyche]

BK or Kondi or Matt.

[Psyche]

I'm one hell of a guy.

[Psyche]

And Vifam. Vifam is also one helluva guy.

[Psyche]

I'm protecting Chrimi this time. Fuck yea.

[Psyche]

Go flr it, scum! There's no way you could fail 3 times in a row, rite?

[Psyche]

SCAN BK.

HE IS A WALKING BLUR.

[Psyche]

I'd rather wrongfully lynch Kassadin.

SCAN BK.

[Psyche]

I'm kinda loling that I'm being considered one of the most suspect players when I've been like totes awesome this whole game so I want people to stfu and get their investigation of me over with in exchange for a much anticipated lynch of Kass lol. My plan is better because that will happen

My fear is that you're very competent.

(Like me!)

[Psyche]

I mean, it's just not much of a -1 to lynch Kass.

And wasn't I right about how we wouldn't HAVE a LYLO today?

[Psyche]

in this game*

[Psyche]

KILL.

[Psyche]

Um...why?

[Psyche]

*loud sigh*

Okayyyy...

[Psyche]

*Sigh*

[Psyche]

Sigh. I guess we need to think now.

[Psyche]

Vote Kass

I'm not announcing my protect.

[Psyche]

Chrimi, if we do that (over and over again), then scum'll have no need to worry about their lynch targets.

It's true that we should limit our protects to essentially confirmed townies.

[Psyche]

X.X

I did end up protecting Chrimi, btw.

[Psyche]

Sigh. For a second I was liek, "But you're dead!"

[Psyche]

Maybe we should try the whole deliberate scumhunting thing today.

[Psyche]

Sigh. I'm sorry, guys, but

V/LA

for a couple of days. "Things".

[Psyche]

So how bout that whole "avoid quicklynching" thing..?

[Psyche]

inb4 Om is mastermind scum.

[Psyche]

*breaks out pen and paper*

Oh, really, what else would you do?

[Psyche]

Being for or against the bloc has NOTHING to do with scumminess.

[Psyche]

Correlation =/= Causation

[Psyche]

Towntells tend to be easier to come by.

Probably shouldn't have singled out a group for the scum to target, though. I won't do a formalized bloc next time...

By the way. I'm going to stop protecting myself now.

Ya read that, scumbutts?

And screw you, kondi.

[Psyche]

Fail.

Conditional:

Screw you kondi...if you try and order me to do otherwise.

[Psyche]

Cases. We need cases.

[Psyche]

There's a game he flipped scum in. Still ongoing, tho, so you'll have to look it up yourselves and draw conclusions with generality.

[Psyche]

BK is town.

[Psyche]

Om actually has my suspicions now. Eagerness to lynch.

However, that might actually fit his meta...

[Psyche]

I'll get to this game tonight. It should be easy to crack; I just need to do it.

[Psyche]

I think getting confirmed town ruined my incentive to be involved. But I suppose otherwise I'd be getting lynched.

NOT DONE YET.

[Psyche]

Oh, I care very much. Not giving up this game.

And there shall be no LYLO!

[Psyche]

Okay, time to try.

[Psyche]

Mortontfrh, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1.
Venmar, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 2.
TheTrollie, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 3.
drmyshotgun, Town Cop, killed Night 3.
Kassadin, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 4.
Chrimi, Faith Healer, killed Night 4.
Darkling_Perhaps, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 5.
vijay2vasandani, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 5.

Any attacks on these players needs to be evaluated for irregularities. Let's see how that went.

Om of the Nom
BK201
kondi2424
Psyche
MattP

Is THAT all who is alive? Sweet! 4 unconfirmed players, 1/4 chance of winning today. If all goes poorly, it's 2 v 1. And let's not forget my protect,

which I have deigned to use on one random player tonight, excluding my biggest scumread

. My mission today will be both to find scum in our 69 pages of awesome and to present scenarios for each possible LYLO.

%%%

Om, first!
voted DP on D1 for "just waiting for scum to slip up" — legit for post 112
122 is interesting! Possible chainsaw defense where he attacks Morton for attacking trollie. The content of the attack is pretty weak and isn't based on an interpretation of morton's post that I would intuitively make.

Irregular

. He also announces that the Trollie wagon needs to die because "He's town". Little elaboration there.

Irregular

.

Actually, scratch that. He called MattP town without basis, too. Eh. 

All of Om's scumreads in 201 were wrong.

Impersonating Fate and voting BK on gut. Possibly an attempt to take an ineffectual role. But I'm not going to take on that bias just yet...

487 moves to Chrimi without explicit explanation. Must check why...Wagoning on Vijay's decent attack. Meh.

Begins vigorously calling dark scum despite misplaced vote, but is saying it like he means it...

Moves to BK for unspecified reasons. Gut? Wagon? Oh. "Nervous scum". I don't like the sound of that at all. >.>

Moves to morton. The bloc removed accountability. -_-

Tries to police our post-lynch discussion...

Changes reads without justification. Lack of attention to consistency could be a towntell, but not for someone like Om...

GUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYS. I PROPOSE A VENMAR/TROLLIE/KONDI SCUMTEAM. TROLLIE'S CASE ON KONDI LOOKED LIKE A BLANTANT BUS. HOWEVER I AM STILL NOT THAT CONFIDENT IN KONDI SCUM UNLESS WE GET A TROLLIE SCUMFLIP.
GUNNY I SAY YOU SHOULD INVESTIGATE EITHER ONE OF KONDI OR TROLLIE.

O.O
If Om's attack doesn't read as "knowing scum", we're fine. 

And it doesn't. It's pretty good and reasonable. I'm done wasting time on Om.

(TBH, I read the rest of Om's iso and found nothing objectionable enough to change my read that

Om is most likely weird town

) 

The fact that he hasn't brought up 1332 and its spinoffs suggests that it wasn't a bussing gambit. Om would milk it harder. I think...

[Psyche]

BK! I'm sooo glad to have recent data on his scumplay now. Something to compare him to.

Did not replace out when Kass was not PLed. It doesn't matter that we did it MUCH later in the game. This is immediately suspect. Reminds me of another case where he as scum put his neck on the line in a really uncouth way.

238 fine with Venmar for unaccountable reasons.

285 points out Kondi's proficiency at playing scum. I hate people who are proficient at playing scum. You can never trust them.

367 more on Venmar's congruency with his town meta...which is one game. What a terrible sample size.

379 BK's all "yeah I did it" after being accused of defending venmar. Not a scummy reaction.

579 is his list of reads. Very useful for our purposes. No strong reads on our known scum, which is typical in scum lists of reads.

Suspect

In 607, he decides against joining the Kass PL wagon he earlier asserted he would replace  out if no one else joined it.

Suspect

Morton vote sucked.

Suspect

Agreeing to be scanned (in a rather meek way, I muat say) is not a towntell for BK.

vote for kondi was a poorly justified wagon

and...milking it. Which I never like.

Moves back to his mehful morton wagon despite...milking the kondi one.
And moves back to Kondi.
And to morton after kondi AtEs us to bits.

Agrees to trollie lynch pre-scan. Points. Town points. 

His analyses of the dead scum are pretty useless, but its good that he quoted them. Negative points for that.

I need to study BK's meta. But I'm tired. So tomorrow. Null, leaning scum.

[Psyche]

I just need to rule out one townie to get us the game...

[Psyche]

And I'm rather inclined to go with my prevailing read on Matt. Let me iso him first.

[Psyche]

Kondi, I want your thoughts ASAP.