Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

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Gaiz, why did you get started without me :P Damn school is taking up my time >:(
Anyway I agree with this discussion about policy lynching Kass.
However, not voting just yet.

Brb, reading again.

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Random shit I find kinda interesting that may or may not be game related will be coming in the next few posts by me.

In games I've played with them so far, they were intelligent, worthy and likable fellows.

Yay :3 I feeel speshul.

And of course, you left me out, which means that you don't have all of the town in there.

Yes, we left him out....I find Chrimi the most fun player to be in a game with so far.

I dissagree, I'm much morre fun than Chrimi.
I'm a barrel of super ultra great delicious wonderful awesome fun.

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So are the five of us only people who can vote?

Oh or are we the trusted circle?

seem pretty excited about this...

What makes you think that?

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But I probably would have gone with it. I like the players in the voting block.
Does that make me scum?

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And that's about it for now. No strong reads, I'm just waiting for scum to slip up so we can hang a noose around them.

Lol.
VOTE: Darkling_Perhaps

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Nah, take another guess.

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Nope.
Here, let me bold it for you.

And that's about it for now. No strong reads,

I'm just waiting for scum to slip up

so we can hang a noose around them.

Lol.
VOTE: Darkling_Perhaps

Notice how he isn't doing the townie thing and taking action? He's much more content lazing around and letting others do all the work.

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Morton's post just then looks terribly scummy. Though it may just be me.

It reads to me like he's saying "Hey look at me, I appear to be confident in Troll being scum. I'm not actually saying much about why he is but I'll say some stuff and make it sound incriminating."
Then he wagon hops.

This Troll wagon needs to die. He's town.

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@Darkling_Perhaps: Nope, don't believe you. You're still scum.
Tell me, who is scum and why?

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MattP is town.

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@MattP: Why not?
To me you sound like you believe your reads, plus my gut has been calling you town this whole time.

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Does anyone notice how Kass is browsing this forum and not posting?

C'mon Kass, be useful for once.

PEDIT: Nope, try again. I don't care what stage the game is in right now. You have reads, so state them.

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You say people aren't being active, and that we need to put pressure on the lurkers.
But where is your vote? Where is your "pressure" on them? Don't complain about not having any reads unless you are trying to get them.

PEDIT: I still support the Kass PL.

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BTW, the top part of the above post was directed at DP.

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Only if you suck :3

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@DP: Scumreads are you, Morton and Chrimi.

@MattP: Summarise the cases for me.

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@MattP:Yep, those cases please.

@Chrimi: I already explained both of DP and Morton, you're just gut.

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Nope, we aren't killing Matt.

Never in a million years.

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@MattP: Alright, thanks.

@DP: I'm already hitting scum, why would I need to worry about missing them?

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Calling you DP reminds me of Dragon Punch :V
But I guess I can call you Dark if you want.

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OOTN, bite me.

No.

Lastly, the voting bloc was the best idea. Can we still do that? It will work perfectly.

Yes.

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I find #4 works better when you ask it post-game.

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Voting blocks are sexy. Plus the players in it are town.

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I'm getting this info from the thread. They are town because they are.

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@vijay: C'mon, lets make a voting block. Vote Dark with me.

PEDIT: I'm not scum, and I'm not psychic.

I just have a damn, fucking good gut.

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It's possible to have a fake logical reason.

PEDIT: Just vote Dark anyway. I will not settle for a Matt lynch.

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Scum

Kassadin: Lurking, potential troll, hasn't posted any new nonsense but I bet he will

Vijay: Lurker

Psyche: Lurker, the only game I've seen him in he was really active
Morton: I don't like how Kondi said "Smart people agree with me" and Morton said "I'm smart!" Not a lot of substantial info otherwise

Here you go.

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BTW, to add to my Dark case, notice how he needed to be pushed before he was able to list all his reads? And when he finally did list them, his main scumreads were lurkers.

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How is it anti-town? I believe they are town so I am completely fine with joining the block.

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Mah scumreads are Dark, Morton and Chrimi.

Also don't worry, I've got reading Psyche covered.

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BTW, to add to my Dark case, notice how he needed to be pushed before he was able to list all his reads? And when he finally did list them, his main scumreads were lurkers.

And how exactly is that scummy?

Because needing to be pushed to give reads = having to make up reads to avoid suspicion.
Making your scumreads the lurkers = Making it viable to hop on lurker wagons without having to put too much effort into finding the real scum.

Morton's post just then looks terribly scummy. Though it may just be me.

It reads to me like he's saying "Hey look at me, I appear to be confident in Troll being scum. I'm not actually saying much about why he is but I'll say some stuff and make it sound incriminating."
Then he wagon hops.

This Troll wagon needs to die. He's town.

How is pointing out the fact that he's posturing scum hunting not actually saying much about why he's scum?

Because the way you did it made it look like an excuse to jump on his wagon.

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I still want him PL'ed.
I did blacklist him for a reason you know.

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I can't really say anything about him being easy to read because until now the only games I've played with him are my scumgames.

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Oh wow how did I not notice #225?
That shit's seriously scummy.

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Your jump on a lurker wagon is highly suspect.
Quick, what are your scumreads?

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@Dark: I don't care if you said you didn't have reads. You should have reads no matter what. I can have reads by the first page, doesn't mean they are good ones. You just made excuses to not have any.
Are you really pressuring and asking questions about your scumreads? I don't see you doing anything of the sort. You keep complaining that you are doing it and that I'm wrong but I see no evidence of that.
I am in a mad bid to get you lynched D1 because you are scum.
I am doing tons of scumhunting because I'm pressuring my scumreads.

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Psyche will come, I know it.

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And not because you voted him.

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Also hey, you forgot to mention how he called you a lurker even though it hadn't been at least 2 days.

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I know Psyche will post eventually. I'll string him up big time if he doesn't.
For now go hunt scum in the active players, there is probably at least two scum out of the actives.

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In fact, Psyche's last active time was right after this post (a minute after to be more precise).

Yeah...I'm tunneling on Kondi D1, shotgun D2. No unvotes until someone else is scummy.

He hasn't logged on since then, which means he must be busy or something.

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I told you all that he would come :P

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Read Dark.

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Pfffttt. CoD can go suck a dick. Play real games like Katamari :V

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Shotgun is null-town. Kondi is town.
No way they are a scumteam. I won't lynch kondi either, so get on the Dark wagon instead and make your vote more useful.

PEDIT: I like how nobody has mentioned the conversation between me and vijay earlier. It's basically the same as what happened with kondi and gunny, but nobody seems suspicious about it.

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@BK: So do you want me to call everyone scum?
Town hunting isn't a bad strategy, as it helps narrow down the scum to a pool of people. Plus if you have been reading my posts I have around about 4 people I think could be scum.

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I'd be okay if you were responding to anything I said.

VOTE: BK

I admit, recently my gut has been going off on BK, so I approve of this vote.

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KONDI
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KNOWING MY GUT, SHOULD I GO FOLLOW UP WITH A BK VOTE?

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IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ME HAVING GUT READS THEN GO READ 396 BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING.

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BECAUSE THEY KNOW OF MY SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME GUT READS.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4024425
GO READ THAT BK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BK

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3940226
AWESOME GUT READ AGAIN
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3987107
MORE AWESOME GUT THAT FINALLY WON THE GAME.

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IN FACT I SWEAR MY GUT IS ALWAYS RIGHT WITH ONE SCUM LEFT IN LYLO.

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@BK: I was nice enough to put the links at the places right after the game (or in the third one's case, in LYLO) where I mention my gut reads and how they were right. Meaning you don't have to read the whole game.

Also it's not CAPSRAGE at all. I'm just really fucking hyper from listening to HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYA!

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No, my gut read was on Manju in 383. My logic is what killed us. Because you were scum through logic.

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KONDI IS RIGHT, HE DOES HAVE GOOD READS.

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No, kondi was scum through logic in that game.

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HOLY FUCK WHAT I DON'T HAVE THE MOST POSTS IN THE GAME?

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THIS IS BLASPHEMY!

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NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE OVER 100 POSTS RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?

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AHAHAHA, NOW THIS IS MORE LIKE IT :3

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PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE.

BANDWAGON BK AND GET A FREE PRIZE! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!

PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE PSYCHE.

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HUEHUEHUE, STILL AT THE TOP OF THE POST COUNT!

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@PSYCHE: BECAUSE MY GUT IS SUPER ULTRA GREAT DELICIOUS WONDERFUL AWESOME UBER COOL! YOU KNOW IT!

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Who have you read so far kondi?

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Ah screw it, I know I'll end up with the most posts eventually.

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The kondi wagon is stupid and we need to wagon BK instead. Kondi is town, BK is scum.

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You get the free prize when BK flips scum.
PEDIT: Why what?

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Hey, my gut reads are great, and you should all listen to me. Fate told me to be super special confident in my reads and I'm totally following that advice with all my heart.

PEDIT: If he flips town then oh well, my gut was wrong for once. But he won't flip town because my gut read is on him.

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Also kuribo said I should probably try and adapt to the playstyle of yelling at people till I get what I want.

They are substantiated by the feel of his posts. The voices inside my head are reading BK's posts in a scummy way.

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@Gunny: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4036262

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I'm doing it right, that's basically how I caught you and Staeg in 396, except I had a little meta help there.

@MattP: Pffft, as if I'd ever be a boy scout.

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@Psyche: No, but that's because I didn't push it crazily as I'm doing now.

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@Psyche: Answer this question honestly, would you attack Fate for playing like this?

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I'm playing basically the same way Fate does in almost all of his games. Knowing that would you attack him?

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This is the way Fate plays, he finds a target and stops at nothing to get them lynched. If I'm going to be attacked for playing like this when he does it all the time and gets off scot free then I will be pissed.

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We're talking about him because people are attacking me for using a Fate-like playstyle.

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Fine, to be nice to you guys and also to show you all that I can control my posting when I feel like it, I will stop posting for 3 hours.

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Guess it's just me and Nommy over here. :(

Don't worry vivi, I won't leave you :)

Trollie can go fuck himself with his attitude towards me. From now on I ain't going to bother trying to defend against his lynch if it comes to it.

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@Morton: Kassadin joining the game was against my will. I was the second person to join and Kassadin had joined after me. By then I had already blacklisted him.

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Aww, vivi I thought you wanted to have a successful voting block?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chrimi

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@Dark: What information do you want me to give? I've given all the information I need to and I can supply more if needed. Why are you worried about throwing around wild accusations? The whole point of the game is to throw out wild accusations.

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Nope, he's scum.

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Because he stated much earlier in the day that he's much more content with waiting for scum to slip up instead of taking action and making them slip up.

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Sorry, can't explain the gut reads any further. Just learn to trust my gut, it's really awesome.

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Noooo, Dark is scum. Listen to me kondi.

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Nooooooooooooooooooooo, dark is scuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm.
Chrimi is lolrolefishing. But he's trying too hard to make it look like he isn't.

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*Sigh*
Honestly you guys, 5 pages while I was sleeping? And you call me bad :P

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I notice I'm getting voted again. at least let me read the new 3-4 pages before you hammer me like a nub

Vijay, we should get right back onto BK for this post.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: BK
I never would have thought that there was nervous scum this obvious.

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BTW, Psyche is in no way playing to his scum meta. He is probably the towniest person in the game IMO, especially considering I don't see Psyche-scum making a move that ballsy in regards to claiming.

PEDIT: Hey man, that's mah style.

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I'm willing to put Darkling on hold for now to join the voting block. But we must all vote BK and lynch the scum.

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Scum

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Lol, OMGUS is a funny thing. Got any reasons?

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I would scan Morton just because he's the scum that's in the back of my min and I want to sort him out faster.

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Now you know how I feel

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I'm pretty sure I was the third vote on BK, maybe less.

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/in
Bleh, I have a strong townread on kondi but I can't really justify it without gut. So I guess I just have to vote with the block.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

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That should be L-1.

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I will avenge you kondi!

Gunny you must scan BK tonight.

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Actually yeah, scan Chrimi. I don't see him getting lynched soon, and I'm up in the air with my read on him.

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Kondi is not doing AtE at all.

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Lol, BK I thought you wanted to be scanned?
Scan BK now.

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Psyche and Vivi have claimed FH.
Nobody else has one so.

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No I don't agree entierly with kondi. I for one still think you're scum.
However I can still support a Morton lynch.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Morton

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Yeah, scan Chrimi. I still think vijay and Pyche are town.

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Really, the scum can just kill who we end up choosing to investigate and we would end up wasting an investigation.

I say Gunny picks whoever he wants to pick.

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Yes I am serious Chrimi. Scum can kill a FH but if Gunny scanned the FH then it just means we would have gotten the same information anyway, however if they kill a different one then they narrow it down and make it easier.

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No Chrimi, if we choose a target in thread, then scum will just NK that person. If we don't choose in thread and scum NK's the same person, that oh well tough luck. But lets say we investigate you, and the scum NK's you, then we won't know which one out of Psyche/vijay is lying assuming you flip FH.

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You guys are all spamming more than me now.

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ANd to put it in perspective, kondi now has 45 more posts than me (44 as of this post).

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You guys, Chrimi will protect Gunny, the last FH will protect Chrimi.
Gunny investigates whoever he wants.

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No Psyche, Chrimi is protecting Gunny.

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Lol Soul Eater.

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Lol at Dark basically parroting what I said.

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I end up dead tonight. After all I'm basically the person who isn't clouded by WIFOM but is recognized as town by most of the people in this game.

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No, whichever of Psyche or vijay who is the FH will protect Chrimi. Only Chrimi protects Gunny.

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It was obviously a joke. Coludn't you guys tell?

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That was actually hilarious considering some of you guys thought it was real.

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Alright this is how it's going to go down. Chrimi will protect Gunny. The last FH will protect Chrimi. Gunny investigates whoever he wants, and we go from there. This will be the last anyone will say on the matter, as it's creating tons of WIFOM and needs to stop. Plus it's spamming up the thread more than me.

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Whoever he wants can mean he scans whichever one he wants to scan out of you, Psyche and vivi.

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We will not have anymore night action speculation inside this thread until the mod comes in and does the lynch scene. It's making the whole town go all WIFOMy and it's giving scum the upper-hand. Stop it at once.

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Ftr, I'm beginning to think Psyche is the scum out of vivi and Psyche. Vivi isn't playing the way he was in Jungle Republic where Psyche is now playing a lot like his scum self.

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I already got the cookies.

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GUYS STOP SPAMMING THE THREAD.
I AM GOING TO MAKE A POST WITH ROLE SPECULATION BUT NOT NIGHTACTION SPECULATION. SHUT UP FOR A WHILE.

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Alright, personal experience with Psyche scum in at least two games means I have a pretty decent feel for his scum meta, and right now I'm getting that feeling.
However vivi's claim seemed to be in an odd spot. It was highly unprovoked, yet as someone (I think Chrimi or kondi) pointed out, it meant there was more option for a CC to happen. I think vivi-scum would know that and avoid claiming then. But lastly the sudden morton hammer makes me think he was trying to end the day as fast as possible before the real FH got in and claimed.
Psyche appears to be town without taking the claim into thought, however in my experience with him I found him to be town even though he was scum, so I can't trust him at all. I'd advise all of you not to trust him either, as I sense a scum motivation within his latest posts.
Vivi also appears to be town without taking the claim into thought, and I'm more confident in vivi town that I am in Psyche town, because vivi isn't playing to the scum meta that I know from him.

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Also all you amine people should watch Nichijou, it is the best anime ever.

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WHATEVER HAPPENED TO NO MORE NIGHT ACTION SPECULATION? GUNNY INVESTIGATE WHOEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.

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Alright this is how it's going to go down. Chrimi will protect Gunny. The last FH will protect Chrimi. Gunny investigates whoever he wants, and we go from there. This will be the last anyone will say on the matter, as it's creating tons of WIFOM and needs to stop. Plus it's spamming up the thread more than me.

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No, Gunny investigates whoever he wants. This way it removes the WIFOM happening. For all you know he may want to investigate one of them anyway. At least this way it leaves his choice ambigous.
PEDIT: see.

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Agreed.

Now everyone, shut the fuck up about night actions. We need to get the conversation away from this topic at once.

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Who do you guys think is scum outside of the people who have claimed?

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NO MORE SPECULATION

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1002

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NO MORE SPECULATION

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I AM SERIOUSLY GOING TO POST THAT EVERY TIME SOMEONE SPECULATES.

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Buddying noted.

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The above kind of speculation is allowed.

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Nope.

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Tht was to Psyche btw.

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lol

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SHIT HAPPENED. THAT'S WHAT.

Also :lol: at people going to bed now. It's only 10 past 5PM here :V

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I like how you guys can only pin me as scum by association, it shows how obv. town I've been otherwise.

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NO MORE SPECULATION

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Fate's style is totally best. It gets you guys to listen to me.

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Plus Fate's style means I don't have to :cases: as much and it means I can :gut: to my hearts content :D

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Also Matt you STFU.

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Well you vote means nothing.
Your PL'ing obv town which isn't in town's best interest.

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Stop being a dick yourself and maybe I'll follow in turn.

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Cool, ignore the town's driving force, see where you end up.

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I thought you were ignoring me?

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I am keeping you guys in line to stop you from making the wrong decisions.

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I swear you guys, Psyche is scum.

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Nope, I'm older than 12.

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Also I've fucking told you already why Psyche is scum. And I didn't even use gut as the main reason.

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Oh wait, I see what you were talking about :V

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I think vivi-scum would have known it was a risky move to claim then, which leads me to believe vivi is town. Psyche's claim was also highly unprovoked, and happened after basically everyone said no more claims.

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I did tell you guys:

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Alright, this thread is now imitating that of a locked thread. No more posting here until the mod gets back.

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Lucky for you, something else has replaced my clipboard.
Have it instead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96vnlEMb ... ure=relmfu

Also this will be the last post anyone will say for now, so I'mma say:

@Mod: So you don't have to read through all the spam, morton was the one who got lynched.

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What the hell happened while I was at school? Last time I checked (which was around 5 hours ago) this was at around 42 pages.

Anyway, reading up.

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GUYS DON'T HAMMER YET(if Venmar is at L-1).
all caps just to make it clearer.

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OH wait, you arleady hammered :P

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I think.

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GUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYS. I PROPOSE A VENMAR/TROLLIE/KONDI SCUMTEAM. TROLLIE'S CASE ON KONDI LOOKED LIKE A BLANTANT BUS. HOWEVER I AM STILL NOT THAT CONFIDENT IN KONDI SCUM UNLESS WE GET A TROLLIE SCUMFLIP.
GUNNY I SAY YOU SHOULD INVESTIGATE EITHER ONE OF KONDI OR TROLLIE.

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Because you guys spam way more than me.

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In fact I'm quite surprised that I still have the second most posts after all this.

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So here are all the comments between Trollie and Venmar. I'll expand on why I quoted them in my next post, just wanna get this out here right now.

It basically can prevent mislynches and greatly hinders the mafia by making their vote less powerful.

yeah but at the same time it seems to me like if you think the ppl in the bloc are town, and everyone does, they wont get voted for anyway...idk still seems dumb to me...

Making a random list of most likely random people is just kind of weird to me, as some of those

could be your scum buddies.

could be your scum buddies? are you implying you know kondi (or someone else in there) is scum?

Ok, here are my quick reads:

Town

- Venmar

( Im town )

- Morton

( Hasn't given off a single mafia vibe for me. This isn't much but his play seems more townish than scummish. )

- Psyche

( Doesn't strike me as a scummy player. His absence at first seemed like lurking, but he has returned with plenty of decent and good content )

- Mattp

( He has been doing a lot of scum hunting lately and has been pressuring others greatly. Looks very townish to me. Regardless of how hard he is trying to tunnel me.. )

Neutral / Null

- DmrShotgun

( I am very null about shotgun. I can't seem to decide if his claim is legit or not. Until someone can help me decide if his claim can be trusted or not, i will stay null about him. Seeing shotgun wasn't REALLY pressured into claiming, his claim is a bit harder to believe. )

- Kassadin

( Very unreadable for me. I can lean town but he hasn't been posting enough nor giving much content in his posts. This makes him hard to read for ME. So i am neutral with Kass. )

- Om Nom

( Seems very energetic with his posting. Not sure if this is a hyper mafia or just a energetic personality. Semi-tunneling into Dark also seems kind of weary. But none of this really makes me suspicious enough of him to list him as mafia. So i am null here.. )

- Vijay

( Seems to be trying to scum hunt some people. Though i don't agree with some things, his posts are generally well spirited and fairly pro-town. However i am not sure if i can list him as a Townie just yet, nor mafia. )

Possible Mafia or Scum

- Darkling

( His post about saying lurkers are scummy so early in the game just set off plenty of alarms in my head. Compared with my post about Psyche, his is much worse. I only tried to pressure Psyche into talking, Dark outright said he was scummy for lurking. )

- BK-201

( I cant decide, but he seems to ignore or forget about questions aimed at him and it kind of makes him look like a scum trying to avoid further suspicion. I cant really say though, but out of all others BK seems to be more scummier than those below and most of the above. Further more, his justification for why Kondi could be a bad town is very insulting. I don't think current behavior should be based off of play records. Its easy for others to say your a bad town simply for not playing the game before. Im calling you out scummy just for that. However, in my previous off site game BK played somewhat well as a cop, but from my experience BK does not lie unless he is scum. For the time being, sticking with a possible scum read. )

Limbo ( Not sure if Mafia or Townie )

- Kondi

( You know, i am leaning scum just for the bloc at the beginning of the game, but at the same time i kind of believe him that it could have been a bait trying to arouse reactions from others. His further activity in this game has been promising, so i doubt he is mafia because making that bloc would have been a fairly dumb mafia move. Seeing as Kondi doesn't strike me as a bad player, i doubt that it was scum mistake. )

- Trollie

( His large disapproval of the Voting Bloc is very edgy for me. I think he could be a scum trying to prevent us townies from forming a bloc, which could actually help us get scum. Naturally, i feel like mafia members would try and prevent blocs to stop the town from organizing themselves to beat the mafia. Then again his suspicions for a bloc seem somewhat solid, as mafia members sneaking into blocs is always a possibility. I have a very un decided opinion on Trollie. )

- Chrimi

( In post 480, he exactly quotes " Neither of you claim,

we don't want scum knowing who another of my faith healer is

." Tell me what you guys think of what he said here. He could be saying he is a faith healer or just talking to the town in general. Him asking for the faith healer(s) is kind of a scum move in my opinion, as at this point the faith healers definitely should not claim ANYTHING regarding their role. This, coupled with my weird gut feeling on Chrimi and what others have said, i cannot decide if he is Town or Maf. )

Well there's my reads on people. Nothing is set in stone, and i am more than happy to answer any questions aimed at me.

To explain about shotty: You say he changed his story about the voting block. I see it as he revealed information. At first before he knew it was fake he said it would help town. After he found out it was fake he said he assumed it was made to help town by lynching kass. I don't see any conflicting information there.

thank you. this is the first time anyone has given an alternate reason for his behavior...

not sure if shot is telling the truth but seems likely…not worth killing the cop if he is so I’ll drop it for now (idk his play style, but role claiming at this point seems pretty silly. I know he apologized, but, for people who have played with him before: is that role claim out of character?)

Reads

Town:

Om

Vij

MattP

leaning town

Kondi

– I see a lot of scumhunting, he’s been going after multiple people and has follow-up questions to a lot of people’s interactions.

Kass

– I don’t know anthing about him, but you guys have made good points for why he’s probably town in this game due to the way he is posting compared to how he usually posts.

Null

Shot

– claim of dr. moves him to null. I still don’t like how aggressive he was against me when he wasn’t doing anything to answer my questions about him.

Psyche

Dark

Venmar

– his posts are very wishy washy but at the same time he is generally encouraging scum-hunting. I just wish he encouraged it less and did it more. Also his response to Matt’s attack is very weird—he thinks matt is talking about psyche. He’s probably fine but I want to keep watching him.

leaning scum

Morton

– bad vibe…he attacks me for not scum hunting based on a post that was clearly me being a smart-ass
Chrimi – the role fishing was scummy, but he was trying to deal with a pretty tough situation (finding a way to save our potential cop) so I’m not ready to pull the trigger on this yet.

Scum

BK

– spends a lot of the game trying to get us off the scumhunting path and onto Kass. After claiming he will replace out if we do not lynch kass he changes his vote to shot because of a scumslip. He is very much against anyone else voting for someone other than kass if they feel someone is scummy, however.


On another note I am sorry for flipping you off Om, that was wrong of me. However, I was trying, in my own ass-holish way, to get you and others to focus more on THIS game and less on the out-of-game discussion. Didn’t mean to piss you off.

^ Shot claimed cop.. not dr. Are you actually reading the thread or is this a mistake?

Could you possible explain why you think Dark is null, and why is Om town?

Shot – claim of dr. moves him to null. I still don’t like how aggressive he was against me when he wasn’t doing anything to answer my questions about him.

Sorry..didn’t mean to make that confusing..i meant claim of dr (drmyshot) not claim of dr (doctor role)

Will post my reasons on dark and om when I get a chance. Likely later tonight unless I decide to procrastinate more before then.

@Trollie

You have the time to read over the whole thread to make a vote count but not to explain your reads on Om and Dark?

@venmar: can you explain your change of hart on kondi?

agh...now i dont know what to do. I don't like what I'm seeing from either of these guys:

@Trollie's case: Notice that vijay ALSO mentioned the FH's CCing in his post. That's why I unvoted, not because Kassadin could be investigated.

this is a non-answer. it gets rid of one of the three position swaps at the very best. worse though, is that i find it to be

yet another

instance of backtracking. you did not mean FH CCing when you unvoted.

By the way, MattP townslipped.

Hmmmm.. XD just kidding.

1 for 1 is always good imo, even if we lose our cop. But seriously, this claiming. *sigh* might as well say it, I'm a Faith Healer as well.

All other FHs should claim now.

We aren't PLing today guys. Let shotgun sort that out for us. Once Kass is conftown/scum we can let scum nightkill him or we can lynch him.

Good call, vijay. UNVOTE:

only valid interp is that you are saying good point on the kass thing. (a) why would u be saying "good call" to the line "all other FHs should claim now." (b) you go from that directly into unvoting so it stands to reason that you are talking about his point on kass

now you are backtracking again saying that you never changed your mind because you wanted to wait for shot to investigate. That is not in line with what i see here.

@kondi: also, you didn't answer: what made your read on me change?

but, at the same time:

I had a unsure read. I can't call him town nor mafia because i am unsure!! How hard is this to understand..

(a) "I had an unsure read" -- re-read the posts matt quoted. you called kondi "clearly not scum," and "leaning scum" that is not an unsure read.
(b) you did call him town AND mafia so i dont get why your response is you can't call him town nor mafia
(c) very defensive -- "how hard is this to understand"

eh...now i dont know which to pick...

how many votes is that on ven?

i'm pretty convinced by all of this "turtle" nonsense

UNVOTE: kondi
VOTE: venmar

no one else thinks venmar's BK comment deserves discussion?

[Om of the Nom]

Alright, so this is why I think they are scum together. First of all, they rarely mention each other, which strikes me as them trying not to be tied together in case one of them flips scum.

Making a random list of most likely random people is just kind of weird to me, as some of those

could be your scum buddies.

could be your scum buddies? are you implying you know kondi (or someone else in there) is scum?

This is a really weak attack from Trollie, it looks like a weak bus to me. Also the mention of kondi specifically instead of someone else leads me to think he's also the other scumbuddy.

Ok, here are my quick reads:

- Trollie

( His large disapproval of the Voting Bloc is very edgy for me. I think he could be a scum trying to prevent us townies from forming a bloc, which could actually help us get scum. Naturally, i feel like mafia members would try and prevent blocs to stop the town from organizing themselves to beat the mafia. Then again his suspicions for a bloc seem somewhat solid, as mafia members sneaking into blocs is always a possibility. I have a very un decided opinion on Trollie. )

Notice how in his reads he leaves Trollie as a null read? I think this is because he doesn't want to have a strong opinion on his buddy in case he flips scum. He can't hard defend or it will look bad, and he can't tunnel a lot, otherwise it will also look bad. Also the only reason he has for putting him as null is based on the voting block discussion which happened like 200-400 posts before this one.

Reads

Null

Venmar

– his posts are very wishy washy but at the same time he is generally encouraging scum-hunting. I just wish he encouraged it less and did it more. Also his response to Matt’s attack is very weird—he thinks matt is talking about psyche. He’s probably fine but I want to keep watching him.

Notice how Trollie also lists Venmar as a null read? This was filled with weak attacks and waffles. He brings up some reasonably decent points against Venmar but never pursues them and doesn't try to find out more.

More coming.

[Om of the Nom]

^ Shot claimed cop.. not dr. Are you actually reading the thread or is this a mistake?

Could you possible explain why you think Dark is null, and why is Om town?

Shot – claim of dr. moves him to null. I still don’t like how aggressive he was against me when he wasn’t doing anything to answer my questions about him.

Sorry..didn’t mean to make that confusing..i meant claim of dr (drmyshot) not claim of dr (doctor role)

Will post my reasons on dark and om when I get a chance. Likely later tonight unless I decide to procrastinate more before then.

Here he just asks Venmar a few questions, nothing too informative and nothing too damning. I think he's trying to test the waters here. Also he never addresses his concerns with Venmar from his reads list.

but, at the same time:

I had a unsure read. I can't call him town nor mafia because i am unsure!! How hard is this to understand..

(a) "I had an unsure read" -- re-read the posts matt quoted. you called kondi "clearly not scum," and "leaning scum" that is not an unsure read.
(b) you did call him town AND mafia so i dont get why your response is you can't call him town nor mafia
(c) very defensive -- "how hard is this to understand"

eh...now i dont know which to pick...

Yet another weak bussing attack on Venmar. No pursuing of this afterwards, no questions to get more information. Nothing at all.

how many votes is that on ven?

Hey look, suddenly he's concerned with the wagon on Ven. I think he's worried that Ven will get lynched.

i'm pretty convinced by all of this "turtle" nonsense

UNVOTE: kondi
VOTE: venmar

The most blatant wagon jump ever. This just reeks of bussing. No real reason to jump on his wagon, no case to go with it, nothing but a bad "reason" and a vote.

no one else thinks venmar's BK comment deserves discussion?

Again with the random suspicion. The closest thing he had before this in relation to thinking Ven-scum was the vote on him and a few bussing attacks.

[Om of the Nom]

tl;dr
Ven and Trollie are scumbuddies together because:
~They rarely mention each other so they can keep the connection low.
~The only real comments between them consist of random, weak bussing attempts with no follow up for any information.
~They both kept each other as null reads originally so they could avoid having a strong opinion on each other.
~Trollie randomly started suspecting Venmar for no apparent reason, no case to go with his vote, and no strong or damning attacks or attempts to get information from Ven to try and discern his alignment.

[Om of the Nom]

See, if you wait at least one day before lynching you can get awesome people with awesome cases like this before you lynch someone.

[Om of the Nom]

Also note how the only people that Venmar references about their stance on the block when giving his reads are kondi and Trollie. I think this links them all together nicely.

[Om of the Nom]

Investigate BK.

[Om of the Nom]

He didn't want to be investigated, he must have something to hide.

[Om of the Nom]

VOTE: Trollie
HAMMAH TIEM

[Om of the Nom]

BK and Matt.

[Om of the Nom]

No, it is not a waste. Stop trying to get the investigation off you you little scum.

[Om of the Nom]

Can't you guys see that BK is lining up lynches? He's constantly trying to get gunny to investigate someone else.
Seriously, investigate BK and he will turn up scum. Trust me.

[Om of the Nom]

But BK is also trying to get the investigation off him.

[Om of the Nom]

^I lol'd even more.

[Om of the Nom]

....
I didn't even get a say in any of this :P

Also FH's should protect each other from now on. If they both survive to 3p LYLO then it will be super duper autowin.

[Om of the Nom]

YEP DARKILNG IS OBV SCUM. LYNCH TOMORROW PLEASE.

[Om of the Nom]

Interested in the explanation for Me-scum.

Darkling is def. scum because that post reeks of intentional accident hammer.

[Om of the Nom]

Alright, I can't refute that reasoning because I use it all the time as town. I do have a super slight gut read on you though.

[Om of the Nom]

Dammit, scum got lucky.

This is so scummy.

Let me figure this out. We hit two scum so far and there's only one left.

Fake content.

Let's see. What's Kass's motivation behind his MattP push? He's been pushing it most of his posts so far. I feel like he could have been goaded into this as scum, because he's been playing blinders down against him, so to speak.

Decent-ish I guess.

I'm going to take a look at Venmar's and Trollie's interactions, see if I can see any bussing or obvious distancing... First off the way they argued the voting block makes me feel like there aren't an scum hiding in there, but that's not really surprising, OmNom and Kondi seem to be on most people's Townlist.

Fake content.

BK's argument for the we case was pretty suspect and reminds me of how Trollie attacked Shotty over the same. They're both nitpicking details

Fake content.

MattP did jump on Trollie rather hard when I pushed at their connection. I don't feel like he was bussing though, just looking at it more rationally.

Fake content.

I'd put the two most likely remaining scum as BK or Kass, which means we've won this game.
VOTE: Kass

Shitty wagon jump which was totally an intentional 'accidental' hammer.

Edit: 'two who are most likely the one remaining scum', didn't mean to imply plural

Completely ignores the fact that he hammered Kass (and he knew he hammered Kass) and instead just points out and fixes a mistake in his previous post.

This basically sums up why he literally claimed scum.

[Om of the Nom]

VOTE: Darkling

[Om of the Nom]

I don't have the most descriptive reads lol.

BK- null/town
kondi- town
Darkling- obvscum
MattP- second scumpick
OOTN - The most obvtowny evar even more den de cunfermed townees.

[Om of the Nom]

Nooo.
I actually kinda like this avatar.

[Om of the Nom]

No, you are totally obvscum. You are not the most obvious townie at all.

[Om of the Nom]

And I already elaborated why throughout the game.

[Om of the Nom]

I'll get around to it lol, I'm feeling lazy atm.

[Om of the Nom]

Om the nom is lining up lynches.

Just pointing out my suspects bro.

He plays too protown but delivers nothing (see: his pro-town rambling about not speculating, his all caps ranting).

So I'm scum for being pro-town?

His only solid case he ever brought up was, surprisingly, him connecting TheTrollie and Venmar as scum. Seems incredibly lucky, seems like he knows more than we do.

Wtf is this? This is horribly opportunistic.

This last move seems like a scumslip of him trying to line up the next few lynches but making a mistake in the process.

What last move?

VOTE: Om of the nom

Wow.
Just wow.
Sooooo opportunistic.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MattP
Guys, we need a quicklynch on Matt.

[Om of the Nom]

I think a Darkling lynch is an easy mislynch for scum and that we should look through the people who have been advocating his lynch if he flips town.

Eh, I reread Darkling a bit. He talks to much but has little content. That's a scum indication.

Soft defending of venmar and trollie the entire game, yet keeps them as null reads.

Lol.

p-edit: Yeah, me attacking a player that is read as one of the most obvtown players by most people is opportunistic. You're just sore that you made the biggest fucking fail scumslip in the history of this round.

Nope, I've been read as more obvtown than you. I also like how your only defense is that you have been called town by a few people, and that I'm supposedly sore that I have been caught by scum.

Seriously, he discredits me instead of defending.

[Om of the Nom]

Nope, I have elaborated throughout the game. You are deliberately omitting where I have to make me look like scum.

[Om of the Nom]

Spoiler: And you said I don't explain anything.

Nope.
Here, let me bold it for you.

And that's about it for now. No strong reads,

I'm just waiting for scum to slip up

so we can hang a noose around them.

Lol.
VOTE: Darkling_Perhaps

Notice how he isn't doing the townie thing and taking action? He's much more content lazing around and letting others do all the work.

Morton's post just then looks terribly scummy. Though it may just be me.

It reads to me like he's saying "Hey look at me, I appear to be confident in Troll being scum. I'm not actually saying much about why he is but I'll say some stuff and make it sound incriminating."
Then he wagon hops.

This Troll wagon needs to die. He's town.

@MattP: Why not?
To me you sound like you believe your reads, plus my gut has been calling you town this whole time.

@MattP:Yep, those cases please.

@Chrimi: I already explained both of DP and Morton, you're just gut.

BTW, to add to my Dark case, notice how he needed to be pushed before he was able to list all his reads? And when he finally did list them, his main scumreads were lurkers.

BTW, to add to my Dark case, notice how he needed to be pushed before he was able to list all his reads? And when he finally did list them, his main scumreads were lurkers.

And how exactly is that scummy?

Because needing to be pushed to give reads = having to make up reads to avoid suspicion.
Making your scumreads the lurkers = Making it viable to hop on lurker wagons without having to put too much effort into finding the real scum.

Morton's post just then looks terribly scummy. Though it may just be me.

It reads to me like he's saying "Hey look at me, I appear to be confident in Troll being scum. I'm not actually saying much about why he is but I'll say some stuff and make it sound incriminating."
Then he wagon hops.

This Troll wagon needs to die. He's town.

How is pointing out the fact that he's posturing scum hunting not actually saying much about why he's scum?

Because the way you did it made it look like an excuse to jump on his wagon.

@Dark: I don't care if you said you didn't have reads. You should have reads no matter what. I can have reads by the first page, doesn't mean they are good ones. You just made excuses to not have any.
Are you really pressuring and asking questions about your scumreads? I don't see you doing anything of the sort. You keep complaining that you are doing it and that I'm wrong but I see no evidence of that.
I am in a mad bid to get you lynched D1 because you are scum.
I am doing tons of scumhunting because I'm pressuring my scumreads.

I'd be okay if you were responding to anything I said.

VOTE: BK

I admit, recently my gut has been going off on BK, so I approve of this vote.

Sorry, can't explain the gut reads any further. Just learn to trust my gut, it's really awesome.

BTW, Psyche is in no way playing to his scum meta. He is probably the towniest person in the game IMO, especially considering I don't see Psyche-scum making a move that ballsy in regards to claiming.

PEDIT: Hey man, that's mah style.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I end up dead tonight. After all I'm basically the person who isn't clouded by WIFOM but is recognized as town by most of the people in this game.

Alright, personal experience with Psyche scum in at least two games means I have a pretty decent feel for his scum meta, and right now I'm getting that feeling.
However vivi's claim seemed to be in an odd spot. It was highly unprovoked, yet as someone (I think Chrimi or kondi) pointed out, it meant there was more option for a CC to happen. I think vivi-scum would know that and avoid claiming then. But lastly the sudden morton hammer makes me think he was trying to end the day as fast as possible before the real FH got in and claimed.
Psyche appears to be town without taking the claim into thought, however in my experience with him I found him to be town even though he was scum, so I can't trust him at all. I'd advise all of you not to trust him either, as I sense a scum motivation within his latest posts.
Vivi also appears to be town without taking the claim into thought, and I'm more confident in vivi town that I am in Psyche town, because vivi isn't playing to the scum meta that I know from him.

Well you vote means nothing.
Your PL'ing obv town which isn't in town's best interest.

I think vivi-scum would have known it was a risky move to claim then, which leads me to believe vivi is town. Psyche's claim was also highly unprovoked, and happened after basically everyone said no more claims.

GUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYSGUYS. I PROPOSE A VENMAR/TROLLIE/KONDI SCUMTEAM. TROLLIE'S CASE ON KONDI LOOKED LIKE A BLANTANT BUS. HOWEVER I AM STILL NOT THAT CONFIDENT IN KONDI SCUM UNLESS WE GET A TROLLIE SCUMFLIP.
GUNNY I SAY YOU SHOULD INVESTIGATE EITHER ONE OF KONDI OR TROLLIE.

So here are all the comments between Trollie and Venmar. I'll expand on why I quoted them in my next post, just wanna get this out here right now.

It basically can prevent mislynches and greatly hinders the mafia by making their vote less powerful.

yeah but at the same time it seems to me like if you think the ppl in the bloc are town, and everyone does, they wont get voted for anyway...idk still seems dumb to me...

Making a random list of most likely random people is just kind of weird to me, as some of those

could be your scum buddies.

could be your scum buddies? are you implying you know kondi (or someone else in there) is scum?

Ok, here are my quick reads:

Town

- Venmar

( Im town )

- Morton

( Hasn't given off a single mafia vibe for me. This isn't much but his play seems more townish than scummish. )

- Psyche

( Doesn't strike me as a scummy player. His absence at first seemed like lurking, but he has returned with plenty of decent and good content )

- Mattp

( He has been doing a lot of scum hunting lately and has been pressuring others greatly. Looks very townish to me. Regardless of how hard he is trying to tunnel me.. )

Neutral / Null

- DmrShotgun

( I am very null about shotgun. I can't seem to decide if his claim is legit or not. Until someone can help me decide if his claim can be trusted or not, i will stay null about him. Seeing shotgun wasn't REALLY pressured into claiming, his claim is a bit harder to believe. )

- Kassadin

( Very unreadable for me. I can lean town but he hasn't been posting enough nor giving much content in his posts. This makes him hard to read for ME. So i am neutral with Kass. )

- Om Nom

( Seems very energetic with his posting. Not sure if this is a hyper mafia or just a energetic personality. Semi-tunneling into Dark also seems kind of weary. But none of this really makes me suspicious enough of him to list him as mafia. So i am null here.. )

- Vijay

( Seems to be trying to scum hunt some people. Though i don't agree with some things, his posts are generally well spirited and fairly pro-town. However i am not sure if i can list him as a Townie just yet, nor mafia. )

Possible Mafia or Scum

- Darkling

( His post about saying lurkers are scummy so early in the game just set off plenty of alarms in my head. Compared with my post about Psyche, his is much worse. I only tried to pressure Psyche into talking, Dark outright said he was scummy for lurking. )

- BK-201

( I cant decide, but he seems to ignore or forget about questions aimed at him and it kind of makes him look like a scum trying to avoid further suspicion. I cant really say though, but out of all others BK seems to be more scummier than those below and most of the above. Further more, his justification for why Kondi could be a bad town is very insulting. I don't think current behavior should be based off of play records. Its easy for others to say your a bad town simply for not playing the game before. Im calling you out scummy just for that. However, in my previous off site game BK played somewhat well as a cop, but from my experience BK does not lie unless he is scum. For the time being, sticking with a possible scum read. )

Limbo ( Not sure if Mafia or Townie )

- Kondi

( You know, i am leaning scum just for the bloc at the beginning of the game, but at the same time i kind of believe him that it could have been a bait trying to arouse reactions from others. His further activity in this game has been promising, so i doubt he is mafia because making that bloc would have been a fairly dumb mafia move. Seeing as Kondi doesn't strike me as a bad player, i doubt that it was scum mistake. )

- Trollie

( His large disapproval of the Voting Bloc is very edgy for me. I think he could be a scum trying to prevent us townies from forming a bloc, which could actually help us get scum. Naturally, i feel like mafia members would try and prevent blocs to stop the town from organizing themselves to beat the mafia. Then again his suspicions for a bloc seem somewhat solid, as mafia members sneaking into blocs is always a possibility. I have a very un decided opinion on Trollie. )

- Chrimi

( In post 480, he exactly quotes " Neither of you claim,

we don't want scum knowing who another of my faith healer is

." Tell me what you guys think of what he said here. He could be saying he is a faith healer or just talking to the town in general. Him asking for the faith healer(s) is kind of a scum move in my opinion, as at this point the faith healers definitely should not claim ANYTHING regarding their role. This, coupled with my weird gut feeling on Chrimi and what others have said, i cannot decide if he is Town or Maf. )

Well there's my reads on people. Nothing is set in stone, and i am more than happy to answer any questions aimed at me.

To explain about shotty: You say he changed his story about the voting block. I see it as he revealed information. At first before he knew it was fake he said it would help town. After he found out it was fake he said he assumed it was made to help town by lynching kass. I don't see any conflicting information there.

thank you. this is the first time anyone has given an alternate reason for his behavior...

not sure if shot is telling the truth but seems likely…not worth killing the cop if he is so I’ll drop it for now (idk his play style, but role claiming at this point seems pretty silly. I know he apologized, but, for people who have played with him before: is that role claim out of character?)

Reads

Town:

Om

Vij

MattP

leaning town

Kondi

– I see a lot of scumhunting, he’s been going after multiple people and has follow-up questions to a lot of people’s interactions.

Kass

– I don’t know anthing about him, but you guys have made good points for why he’s probably town in this game due to the way he is posting compared to how he usually posts.

Null

Shot

– claim of dr. moves him to null. I still don’t like how aggressive he was against me when he wasn’t doing anything to answer my questions about him.

Psyche

Dark

Venmar

– his posts are very wishy washy but at the same time he is generally encouraging scum-hunting. I just wish he encouraged it less and did it more. Also his response to Matt’s attack is very weird—he thinks matt is talking about psyche. He’s probably fine but I want to keep watching him.

leaning scum

Morton

– bad vibe…he attacks me for not scum hunting based on a post that was clearly me being a smart-ass
Chrimi – the role fishing was scummy, but he was trying to deal with a pretty tough situation (finding a way to save our potential cop) so I’m not ready to pull the trigger on this yet.

Scum

BK

– spends a lot of the game trying to get us off the scumhunting path and onto Kass. After claiming he will replace out if we do not lynch kass he changes his vote to shot because of a scumslip. He is very much against anyone else voting for someone other than kass if they feel someone is scummy, however.


On another note I am sorry for flipping you off Om, that was wrong of me. However, I was trying, in my own ass-holish way, to get you and others to focus more on THIS game and less on the out-of-game discussion. Didn’t mean to piss you off.

^ Shot claimed cop.. not dr. Are you actually reading the thread or is this a mistake?

Could you possible explain why you think Dark is null, and why is Om town?

Shot – claim of dr. moves him to null. I still don’t like how aggressive he was against me when he wasn’t doing anything to answer my questions about him.

Sorry..didn’t mean to make that confusing..i meant claim of dr (drmyshot) not claim of dr (doctor role)

Will post my reasons on dark and om when I get a chance. Likely later tonight unless I decide to procrastinate more before then.

@Trollie

You have the time to read over the whole thread to make a vote count but not to explain your reads on Om and Dark?

@venmar: can you explain your change of hart on kondi?

agh...now i dont know what to do. I don't like what I'm seeing from either of these guys:

@Trollie's case: Notice that vijay ALSO mentioned the FH's CCing in his post. That's why I unvoted, not because Kassadin could be investigated.

this is a non-answer. it gets rid of one of the three position swaps at the very best. worse though, is that i find it to be

yet another

instance of backtracking. you did not mean FH CCing when you unvoted.

By the way, MattP townslipped.

Hmmmm.. XD just kidding.

1 for 1 is always good imo, even if we lose our cop. But seriously, this claiming. *sigh* might as well say it, I'm a Faith Healer as well.

All other FHs should claim now.

We aren't PLing today guys. Let shotgun sort that out for us. Once Kass is conftown/scum we can let scum nightkill him or we can lynch him.

Good call, vijay. UNVOTE:

only valid interp is that you are saying good point on the kass thing. (a) why would u be saying "good call" to the line "all other FHs should claim now." (b) you go from that directly into unvoting so it stands to reason that you are talking about his point on kass

now you are backtracking again saying that you never changed your mind because you wanted to wait for shot to investigate. That is not in line with what i see here.

@kondi: also, you didn't answer: what made your read on me change?

but, at the same time:

I had a unsure read. I can't call him town nor mafia because i am unsure!! How hard is this to understand..

(a) "I had an unsure read" -- re-read the posts matt quoted. you called kondi "clearly not scum," and "leaning scum" that is not an unsure read.
(b) you did call him town AND mafia so i dont get why your response is you can't call him town nor mafia
(c) very defensive -- "how hard is this to understand"

eh...now i dont know which to pick...

how many votes is that on ven?

i'm pretty convinced by all of this "turtle" nonsense

UNVOTE: kondi
VOTE: venmar

no one else thinks venmar's BK comment deserves discussion?

Alright, so this is why I think they are scum together. First of all, they rarely mention each other, which strikes me as them trying not to be tied together in case one of them flips scum.

Making a random list of most likely random people is just kind of weird to me, as some of those

could be your scum buddies.

could be your scum buddies? are you implying you know kondi (or someone else in there) is scum?

This is a really weak attack from Trollie, it looks like a weak bus to me. Also the mention of kondi specifically instead of someone else leads me to think he's also the other scumbuddy.

Ok, here are my quick reads:

- Trollie

( His large disapproval of the Voting Bloc is very edgy for me. I think he could be a scum trying to prevent us townies from forming a bloc, which could actually help us get scum. Naturally, i feel like mafia members would try and prevent blocs to stop the town from organizing themselves to beat the mafia. Then again his suspicions for a bloc seem somewhat solid, as mafia members sneaking into blocs is always a possibility. I have a very un decided opinion on Trollie. )

Notice how in his reads he leaves Trollie as a null read? I think this is because he doesn't want to have a strong opinion on his buddy in case he flips scum. He can't hard defend or it will look bad, and he can't tunnel a lot, otherwise it will also look bad. Also the only reason he has for putting him as null is based on the voting block discussion which happened like 200-400 posts before this one.

Reads

Null

Venmar

– his posts are very wishy washy but at the same time he is generally encouraging scum-hunting. I just wish he encouraged it less and did it more. Also his response to Matt’s attack is very weird—he thinks matt is talking about psyche. He’s probably fine but I want to keep watching him.

Notice how Trollie also lists Venmar as a null read? This was filled with weak attacks and waffles. He brings up some reasonably decent points against Venmar but never pursues them and doesn't try to find out more.

More coming.

^ Shot claimed cop.. not dr. Are you actually reading the thread or is this a mistake?

Could you possible explain why you think Dark is null, and why is Om town?

Shot – claim of dr. moves him to null. I still don’t like how aggressive he was against me when he wasn’t doing anything to answer my questions about him.

Sorry..didn’t mean to make that confusing..i meant claim of dr (drmyshot) not claim of dr (doctor role)

Will post my reasons on dark and om when I get a chance. Likely later tonight unless I decide to procrastinate more before then.

Here he just asks Venmar a few questions, nothing too informative and nothing too damning. I think he's trying to test the waters here. Also he never addresses his concerns with Venmar from his reads list.

but, at the same time:

I had a unsure read. I can't call him town nor mafia because i am unsure!! How hard is this to understand..

(a) "I had an unsure read" -- re-read the posts matt quoted. you called kondi "clearly not scum," and "leaning scum" that is not an unsure read.
(b) you did call him town AND mafia so i dont get why your response is you can't call him town nor mafia
(c) very defensive -- "how hard is this to understand"

eh...now i dont know which to pick...

Yet another weak bussing attack on Venmar. No pursuing of this afterwards, no questions to get more information. Nothing at all.

how many votes is that on ven?

Hey look, suddenly he's concerned with the wagon on Ven. I think he's worried that Ven will get lynched.

i'm pretty convinced by all of this "turtle" nonsense

UNVOTE: kondi
VOTE: venmar

The most blatant wagon jump ever. This just reeks of bussing. No real reason to jump on his wagon, no case to go with it, nothing but a bad "reason" and a vote.

no one else thinks venmar's BK comment deserves discussion?

Again with the random suspicion. The closest thing he had before this in relation to thinking Ven-scum was the vote on him and a few bussing attacks.

tl;dr
Ven and Trollie are scumbuddies together because:
~They rarely mention each other so they can keep the connection low.
~The only real comments between them consist of random, weak bussing attempts with no follow up for any information.
~They both kept each other as null reads originally so they could avoid having a strong opinion on each other.
~Trollie randomly started suspecting Venmar for no apparent reason, no case to go with his vote, and no strong or damning attacks or attempts to get information from Ven to try and discern his alignment.

Also note how the only people that Venmar references about their stance on the block when giving his reads are kondi and Trollie. I think this links them all together nicely.

He didn't want to be investigated, he must have something to hide.

Can't you guys see that BK is lining up lynches? He's constantly trying to get gunny to investigate someone else.
Seriously, investigate BK and he will turn up scum. Trust me.

Interested in the explanation for Me-scum.

Darkling is def. scum because that post reeks of intentional accident hammer.

Dammit, scum got lucky.

This is so scummy.

Let me figure this out. We hit two scum so far and there's only one left.

Fake content.

Let's see. What's Kass's motivation behind his MattP push? He's been pushing it most of his posts so far. I feel like he could have been goaded into this as scum, because he's been playing blinders down against him, so to speak.

Decent-ish I guess.

I'm going to take a look at Venmar's and Trollie's interactions, see if I can see any bussing or obvious distancing... First off the way they argued the voting block makes me feel like there aren't an scum hiding in there, but that's not really surprising, OmNom and Kondi seem to be on most people's Townlist.

Fake content.

BK's argument for the we case was pretty suspect and reminds me of how Trollie attacked Shotty over the same. They're both nitpicking details

Fake content.

MattP did jump on Trollie rather hard when I pushed at their connection. I don't feel like he was bussing though, just looking at it more rationally.

Fake content.

I'd put the two most likely remaining scum as BK or Kass, which means we've won this game.
VOTE: Kass

Shitty wagon jump which was totally an intentional 'accidental' hammer.

Edit: 'two who are most likely the one remaining scum', didn't mean to imply plural

Completely ignores the fact that he hammered Kass (and he knew he hammered Kass) and instead just points out and fixes a mistake in his previous post.

This basically sums up why he literally claimed scum.

[Om of the Nom]

What was my scumslip?

Yeah, you just called Dark mislynch bait then next post you say you want him lynched.

[Om of the Nom]

Ok fine.

MATTP IS SCUM BECAUSE HE MADE A TERRIBLE ATTACK ON ME AND IS TRYING TO GET ME MISLYNCHED. HE DELIBERATELY OMITTED THINGS FROM MY ISO TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE SCUM. HE DISCREDITS ALL MY ATTACKS AND DISCREDITS ME WITH IT. HE ISN'T PROPERLY DEFENDING HIMSELF. HE IS BEING REALLY OPPORTUNISTIC. ALSO MY GUT IS GOING SUPERFUCKIGNCRAZY ON HIM.

[Om of the Nom]

IS THAT FUCKING ENOUGH OF AN EXPLANATION? YOU AREN'T THE ONLY PERSON IN THE GAME YOU KNOW. I EXPLAINED TONS OF SHIT ON EVERYONE ELSE, YET YOU KEPT IT TO JUST YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN INCRIMINATE ME THAT WAY.

[Om of the Nom]

Note how a lot of Matt's comments D1 are directed at Trollie and Venmar.