Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

[MattP]

/confirm

[MattP]

/confirm

You didn't give shotgun and I a third partner, by the way.

With such strong buddying of shotgun it makes me think you are probscum with him.

Also hey kondi, looking forward to playing with you again.

[MattP]

Uh, don't you make a voting bloc with players that are townreads?

[MattP]

Ok cool.

I have NEVER seen an immediate voting bloc before and I think it will suck ass and fail epically.

[MattP]

voting bloc--dont understand

A voting bloc is when people basically join together and collectively vote together. It keeps a group cohesive and increases the stability and power of the group. Voting blocs are actually usually very good ideas: that is, when the players in the voting bloc trust each other / have townreads on each other.

The reason this voting bloc is retarded is because the players in the bloc don't yet know anything about their alignment so they don't have townreads on each other.

Kondi, I would think this bloc was dumb even if you had included me in it.

[MattP]

@Mod: Can we vote yet or are we still waiting on confirmations?

[MattP]

K cool

Vote: Kondi

1) Created a BS "town" bloc, which screams overzealous scum.
2) Called the first person (me) to disagree with the idea scum, seemingly attempting to dissuade any discussion that disagrees with his idea.

[MattP]

when are voting blocs not retarded...seems like a way for one person to increase the power of their vote arbitrarily. If everyone makes their decision on their own it seems more likely they will make the right one...wisdom of crowds anybody?

Ok, let me give you an example of when voting blocs are useful:

There are 9 players left. 2 scum. Five players are practically identified town. With their votes scattered the 2 scum can easily use their two votes to greatly influence the lynch. If just three town vote the wrong way the scum can tag on and cause a mislynch. However, if the 5 town vote together then even if the two unconfirmed town vote wrong it doesn't matter, the mafia can't control the lynch (since they'll only have 4 of the 9 votes).

It basically can prevent mislynches and greatly hinders the mafia by making their vote less powerful.

[MattP]

It basically can prevent mislynches and greatly hinders the mafia by making their vote less powerful.

yeah but at the same time it seems to me like if you think the ppl in the bloc are town, and everyone does, they wont get voted for anyway...idk still seems dumb to me...

The point of the voting bloc is not to prevent people in the bloc from getting lynched as much as it is to make the scum's vote less powerful.

[MattP]

Cool, kondi is backtracking.

This is like scumtell central.

[MattP]

So reaction tests are called backtracking now?

Yeah fuck you

PEdit: You guys seriously haven't seen a reaction test?

I have. However, I have also seen people make scum moves during the beginning of the game and then try to cover themselves by calling it reaction testing.

[MattP]

Can you explain your vote on Chrimi?

p-edit: Wtf is up with this Kassadin guy?

[MattP]

I especially don't like Venmar's post, specifically the part that Trollie quoted. I can't tell if he's VI or scum.

[MattP]

Also, kondi's response to the push on him reads town.

unvote

I think looking at the bandwagoners / ideawagoners could help us pinpoint scum.

[MattP]

You stated that kondi is scum:

Making a random list of most likely random people is just kind of weird to me, as

some of those could be your scum buddies

.

Now you're changing your story.

Also, can someone give me an explanation of this Kassadin guy please?

[MattP]

If that's all Kassadin contributes then I don't want him in endgame. However, we're not wasting a lynch on him.

Mod: I request that Kassadin be replaced from the game

[MattP]

Ok cool.

I have NEVER seen an immediate voting bloc before and I think it will suck ass and fail epically.

Uhmm, Matt I think toning a bit down is a good idea.
I know your sudden anger was caused by Kondi saying: "Mattp is probably scum."
It was a light accusation, still early in the game and no reason to go so hot-headed from the get go.

It was actually spurred by the stupid idea, and it was geared at the idea, not him. I don't think I ever insulted him rather than the idea (which is new for me, I think acing my final today made me a better person).

p-edit: People have been replaced before when they barely had a chance to post. If enough people want him out he can be kicked out.

[MattP]

I'd also like to say right now that Trollie and I are good friends from RL, and we will not discuss the game out of the boundaries of the thread. However, I think it should be noted.

[MattP]

Also, Kassadin's post history looks very unpromising. And there's a lot to see (like 100 pages of posts). I doubt we're going to successfully pressure him into voting.

[MattP]

Posting*

[MattP]

BK, I see you lurking, what's your weigh-in?

p-edit: Lawl

Guys, we're very potentially wasting a day with this lynch. I

seriously

think we can get him replaced.

[MattP]

*sigh*

Vote: Kassadin

[MattP]

I don't really consider Trollie's buddying of me a scumtell. I think he's just excited to be playing his first game with me. He was going on and on in RL about how excited he was to be playing a game with me. I think he should stop buddying me, but I wouldn't consider that a tell.

I do think I have some insight into his mind since I know him very well and that keeping him for awhile would be a good move for town.

[MattP]

MattP is my hero.

Thanks babe.

[MattP]

Lynch Kass day 1 when there isn't much dirt on people, or suffer his wrath all game since after day 1 it becomes significantly harder to lynch this guy just because he always plays like this. Useless as town, indistinguishable as mafia.

P-Edit again: Yes yes.

Confirm Vote: TheTrollie

[MattP]

@MattP I'd say let Trollie fight his own battles, you aren't helping and you don't even know he's not scum (unless, of course, you are). Now for you. Why did you wait to vote for Kondi until after someone else did? Your reasonings for the vote weren't affected by someone else's votes, you just didn't want to make the first move. Also I can't help but feel you're using Trollie's puppydog love for you to make your own arguments stronger.

We voted for Kondi at the same minute. The only reason they got their vote through first was because I was typing out an actual reason for my vote.

I probably am in some corner of my mind proud of the fact that I have a puppydog in the game. It boosts my ego.

I don't understand your point about my arguments being stronger. It's good for me that my arguments are stronger, it helps me lynch scum if people are listening to me more.

[MattP]

Last thing: I don't understand why you're hitting at Venmar so hard. He phrases something what you swee as suspiciously and suddenly you were all over him. It (being 'your scumbuddies') was clearly just saying he was suspicious of Kondi.

I didn't like how he was basically calling kondi scum but wasn't voting for him.

[MattP]

Sorry Trollie, I have to take a stance on you as scum.

PEdit: You guys seriously haven't seen a reaction test?

yeah i have...i've also seen stupid scummy decisions...like yours

This post is incredibly scummy. It is a baseless attack on kondi. It's an Argument of Repetition since I already said this in a more constructive way and it's also opportunistic piggybacking on a wagon on kondi.

It's basically just a post that get's people to want to vote kondi with no constructive reasoning.

[MattP]

MattP is town.

Why?

[MattP]

Why don't you like scum accusations?

I missed this. I like scum accusations that serve certain purposes. Examples: Pushes on players, intelligent accusations, etc.

I don't like scum accusations that are opportunistic or questionable.

p-edit: I just wanted an explanation from you Om.

[MattP]

I think we should get this Kass lynch out of the way so that we don't regret it later in the game. This is the last time I'll bring it up, but c'mon, scum will no doubt bring him to endgame.

[MattP]

So what do you have to say that's game-related, chrimi?

[MattP]

What do you think of the cases on Darkling and Trollie Nom?

[MattP]

Lol. Funny how people vote me because i troll so hard oh well
anyhow some points to point out
1st. I dont like Kondi Bloc TOwn read post thing as most people have said
2nd. Drmyshotty's constant jump around people (vote hop) without saying much
3rd. Drmy reaction changes really rapidly wen new content is brought forward
4th. Kondi language careful
5th. I like people who are voting me become of my hardout troll lol

This has got to be my longest post yet

LYNCH HIM, LYNCH HIM WITH FIRE

@MattP: Summarise the cases for me.

On Trollie and DP?

[MattP]

Wow, Kass. I'm truthfully impressed you read through the thread this time. Good work.

UNVOTE:

Half of his comments weren't even ENGLISH.

[MattP]

@MattP & Chrimi I actually think trying to deceive us is above him.

He CANNOT make it to endgame. We will lose if he does. He has to die. What HE JUST POSTED was some sort of archaic teletubby language that I NEVER want to see again, EVER.

[MattP]

@MattP:Yep, those cases please.

All right, I will tomorrow since it's past 3am here.

[MattP]

vijay, absolutely wrong. There are many reasons to ask someone to clarify on a town read:

1) To see if they're buddying
2) It fosters discussion
3) People explain scumreads, they should also explain townreads
4) general interest about my meta. I like to know what makes me look like scum and I like to know what makes me look like town. That's how you improve.

[MattP]

#4 should ONLY be asked post game. Everybody has conflicting interests in this game.

1. How does knowing the reason change whether he's buddying you or not?
2. Fosters discussion about YOU, who is town for the other person. Also known as wasting time because you aren't looking for scum.
3. Um no, not necessarily. Besides it's at the discretion of the guy making the reads.

Wanna try again?

1) Knowing someone has logical reasoning means that they are not buddying for the sake of buddying
2) Not true. Someone giving shitty reasons for a townread can foster discussion about THEM.
3) Your reasoning for this one is not even logical so I'll just assume that you know I'm right.

p-edit: Trollie, vijay is probably town. Posting succinct, thoughtful posts and pressuring a player (me).

[MattP]

Vijay, you're flattering me.

[MattP]

@ 191:
1. Nobody (not even scum) is stupid enough to buddy for no reason. Come on.
2. Um shitty reasons? Anybody can say gut and they'll get away with it. There is no "shitty reason" for a townread, unless it's something like "he isn't scum".
3. Well it wasnt a logical argumentive point. My accusation was that questioning townreads on yourself is scummy. You say scumreads and townreads must be explained. Don't see the connection.

Ah okay.
VOTE: Dark

Anybody who wants in the bloc can vote with us. But scumreads of people in the thing can't join. So sorry Matt. OOTN, who are your scumreads? We're taking the first three, with special preference to kondi, shotgun and Psyche. Reasons being that I can read those guys like a book a fair amount of the time, so finding the scum among us should be easy. Well everybody except for Psyche anyway.

1) Generalization = moot point
2) Once again you're making a generalization that everyone will say something unscummy. Clearly you don't understand scumslips
3) I firmly believe that all reads should be explained. You can disagree but I am sticking to my stance. And guess what? Next time you say someone is town I'll be the first person asking you why. Also (and I wasn't thinking this when I asked for elaboration but I think it's an interesting logical progression), if I know that someone is going to ask someone to elaborate a town read on me why wouldn't I do it myself?

I don't want to be in your bloc. The only player I have a townread on right now is you and you don't trust me so there is no point for me to be involved in a bloc.

[MattP]

We don't even have to be all town. If we have one scum, the conflicting interest within the group makes it even more obvious, allowing us to catch scum. Why do you think it's easy to catch scum in neighbourhoods? Furthermore, even if there is one scum, he has to work with us, adding his weight to our points which will be 80% town-sided anyway.

good point actually. one reason it might be bad though is if kondi is scum and has his two scum buddies in there...then scum gets 5 votes for the price of 3

I highly doubt kondi would take that gambit. If he did, once 2 of them were found out the third would be obvious.

[MattP]

Read on Trollie:

Comes in very confused asking a lot of questions about what voting blocs are. Seems to be a clueless newbie.

PEdit: You guys seriously haven't seen a reaction test?

yeah i have...i've also seen stupid scummy decisions...like yours

+scumpoints for reasons I already explained

+townpoints for his pressure on dr and not backing down when people started labeling him scum. Seemes like persistent attempt at scumhunting.

yes...im a bit confused by whats been going on with the bloc thing so im not ready to vote

+scumpoints

This is a lie. You were not confused enough to unvote an say that there are "bigger scum out there on your list (paraphrased)" so if there are bigger scum then you should have had an idea of who to vote. I don't think it's scummy that you didn't automatially redirect your vote, I think your excuse is dishonest and that's what's scummy.

p-edit: now that mattp voted kassadin...should i do it too? i guess so, right shot?

Null. Purely emotional. Can't derive anything from it, I disagree with you about this dr, it's not a scumtell.

i never said i dont want policy lynches...i said i needed someone to explain to me why they benefited town...all i am asking for are

explanations

here for why these strats work, because my intuition tells me otherwise...i am not trying to discourage anyone from doing anything (thats why i dont like this bloc thing, since i think it can discourage people from thinking for themselves)

Null. Seems genuine, especially looking back at his confusion about the voting bloc. He probably is this confused and just requires clarification

oh come on....kondi was being snarky so i was snarky back...

+scumpoints

Kondi was not being snarky first of all; show me this snarkiness. Second, nothing merits propaganda or argument of repetition.

Overall: scum-leaning

Vote: TheTrollie

This isn't personal Trollie, just a game. Your my top scumread.

[MattP]

I'm not going to quote posts by darkling. However, here is my read:

His reads are useless. It's a lot of fluff. It seems like he is trying to seem helpful. I was not moved/swayed by anything he has said this game. Also it reads overzealous scum that wants to appear helpful since there was no reason at that point of the game that one should feel compelled to post their reads in such length like that.

Also, I am against posting reads like that because it basically tells scum who to target.

He is basically trying to seem like he is doing stuff when he is not.

I like his arguments against the voting bloc in his last post, he brings up a good point about scum in the bloc.

He hasn't posted much content besides his reads and his most recent defense. He reads null-scum as well.

I see the cases on both Trollie and Darkling.

Actually, change of plans.

Unvote: Trollie
Vote: Darkling

[MattP]

Mod: VC please

[MattP]

BK, we're not going to get a Kass PL today, just go after scum

[MattP]

Ooooor you can just be smart and tell the host it's either you or him replaced out >.>

[MattP]

I guarantee one scum who wants to keep Kass, because he is useless to town.

I second this.

[MattP]

Kondi, what is your opinion of vijay's push for the block?

[MattP]

Oh wow how did I not notice #225?
That shit's seriously scummy.

I agree, but can you explain why you think so?

[MattP]

- Honestly i cant get a good scum read on anyone. There are a couple lurkers, a candidate for a PL, and several cases on several people. I can see making a PL lynch on Kass, but i see a couple things wrong with that possibility. 1. We don't know what alignment he is yet ( Im leaning Town, but its probably still too early to be sure. ), 2. I feel like we should make some better cases to lynch a better candidate. It is still just the beginning of Day 1 and i feel like we should focus on building cases on people and trying to find scum rather than Policy Lynch someone who has been a bad player in previous games. Though i did not see him play before, so maybe someone could elaborate on how annoying or how much of a troll he is?

At this point in the game i am still trying to build some cases on others and i feel like we should poke some lurkers. Mafia usually hide somewhere among the lurkers and they sometimes do it very well. It is easy to forget about these people during hot debates between others. The one lurker who comes to mind is Psyche. He hasn't actually posted anything game related yet and his last posts was during the confirmation stage. I am going to vote for him because i want to put some pressure on the lurkers, and see what he has to say.

Vote: Psyche

1) He doesn't have any scum reads (non-committal and unhelpful: +scumpoints)
2) He just voted for someone who hasn't posted when we are ONE day into the game, BS vote +scum
3) Venmar, I already asked about Kass and it was explained, you're not reading the thread

[MattP]

Post count =/= time

as time --> infinite, psyche posting --> 9000+

[MattP]

1) He doesn't have any scum reads (non-committal and unhelpful: +scumpoints)
2) He just voted for someone who hasn't posted when we are ONE day into the game, BS vote +scum
3) Venmar, I already asked about Kass and it was explained, you're not reading the thread

1) He doesn't have any scum reads because he never actually posted. He is either completely inactive or lurking. I was trying to make Psyche talk by pressuring him so we can actually get a read on him, town or scum.
2) Not sure if your talking about me or Pysche, but Psyche has only made two posts this whole game. Both are during confirmation stage and before the game actually started. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOTU ME, which i do assume you are, its true. However there have been over 230 posts, equaling almost over 10 pages. This is a lot of posts, and he has not participated in any of them.
3) In my posts i tried to explain why i think Policy Lynching is a bad idea. I am guessing you are saying i am not reading when you guys explained how he played? I will admit that i probably didn't read that part, but what i got was that he is largely unhelpful, a troll, and sometimes unreadable with unhelpful posts.

1) I was referring to you
2) I was referring to you, and no, your vote on Psyche is BS and is probscum looking for some way to seem townlike or just a useless vote.
3) Ok, so you're not reading the thread.

Lots o' scum reads today.

[MattP]

BK, don't discount someone just because they lost a lot as town. Town records are pretty random since it takes into account a LOT of players.

[MattP]

Is it just me or are you guys protecting a lurker? Or are you protecting him because of the way i tried to pressure him...

Scum targeted.

UNVOTE: Darkling
VOTE: Venmar

[MattP]

He's trying to give me his expert advice on how to read Kass.

Don't worry about it, Venmar is scum. Vote for him.

[MattP]

Matt, do you agree that BK is scummy for continuing the argument, or are you coaching him?

I can't read you, and that's a problem.

I don't think it's scummy, I think it's annoying as fuck.

I'm town.

[MattP]

WHY IS NOBODY LISTENING TO MY POINT AGAINST DOC??

LOL

Trollie is town.

[MattP]

EBWOP: Scum would not get that emotional about town not listening to him.

[MattP]

These posts are multiplying like rabbits

[MattP]

Page 5, kondi is still scum and I'm getting disappointed with the town...

Morton also stands out as scummy...

Can you explain why?

p-edit: nvr mnd

These posts are multiplying like rabbits

You have the most posts in this game

That's because I have the most good things to say

Can someone summarize the case on BK?

[MattP]

A few things:
Attacking me for not being active in the first 24 hours of the game is either a noobtell or a scumtell. It's ridiculous to think my inactivity in such a short time span warrants a "lurker" label.

Hence one of the several reasons I illustrated as to why Venmar is obvscum

[MattP]

Is it just me or are you guys protecting a lurker? Or are you protecting him because of the way i tried to pressure him...

Makes his fail seem more legit.

Making his fail "seem" more legit is not justification for a townread on him.

Have you read the entire thread so far? I pointed out a VERY scummy post by venmar.

Also to add, Venmar constantly puts his foot into the water regarding his ideas and the second anyne finds him scummy he immediately backtracks. He is showing every classic scumtell in the book.

p-edit: I swear to God Om nom, STFU

[MattP]

Morton is boring and null.

Who next?

Venmar. Then let's stop this BS BK wagon and lynch Venscum.

[MattP]

ftr this is Venmar's(BoneSentry's at Poxnora) 2nd game of mafia ever, and he is playing similar to how he did as town in his first game.(poxnora.com off-topic section, star wars mafia)

I refuse to make a judgment on a player from a ONE game meta.

[MattP]

Also, @Matt: First of all, it's not BS at all. Read all of the times I've asked him to respond to my counter of his "scumslip" case. Second, I already said Venmar was scum.

I went through your ISO and am unsure of what question you're referring to. Please link it

p-edit: I do not read scum from BK's response.

[MattP]

P-Edit: what I'm saying his he should be lynched for being scum, not for being newbie. we have better lynch options.

No, I want to lynch him because every single post he has made is scummy, not because he is a newb. Idgaf who is a newb, that's not an excuse to discount someone.

It also looks like you're buddying/soft defending him for no logical reason.

[MattP]

What has happened to humanity.

[MattP]

Fine. But when Venmar eventually flips scum you can all suck my dick.

First of all, if this was true, why wouldn't shotgun suggest Chrimi as a person to be in the bloc in the QT?

VOTE: Kondi

The kondi wagon is better than the BK wagon because of this idiotic

lined up excuse

reasoning

[MattP]

I'm almost done with my reads, then you guys can lynch me or shotgun and I won't die in vain.

I assume you'll explain why I'm town when you post your reads so I'll refrain from asking.

Also, this reads

scummy

AtE

[MattP]

Om is town. He is annoying as fuck but he is town. He reminds me of a yappy boy scout that knows every rule in some sacred super "Boy Scout Manual" and he is more than ready to spout them out. Nonetheless, I think he needs to be neutered / have his hands chopped off.

p-edit: Ok kondi

[MattP]

Om is town. He is annoying as fuck but he is town. He reminds me of a yappy boy scout that knows every rule in some sacred super "Boy Scout Manual" and he is more than ready to spout them out. Nonetheless, I think he needs to be neutered / have his hands chopped off.

p-edit: Ok kondi

I said this forever ago

Said what? That you post town reads based on intentions? That's why I said "ok," I wasn't being snarky.

[MattP]

Can we try to fucking stick to THIS game so that when people that aren't on the thread right now come back they don't have like 10 pages of crap to sift through?

Thank you.

[MattP]

I'm playing basically the same way Fate does in almost all of his games. Knowing that would you attack him?

You are not at all at the level of Fate and your bullshit spam is pissing me off. If I had to choose to PL you or Kassadin right now it would be you. Seriously, STFU.

Town reads:
Trollie
Vijay
Om

Scum reads:
Drmyshotgun -- Your last post was just you trying to shut up someone with a scum read on you. I don't like it at all
Kondi
Venmar

[MattP]

MattP, can you explain Trollie?

Posts like this:

WHY IS NOBODY LISTENING TO MY POINT AGAINST DOC??

And his last post (p-edit: not the new one, the one before) scream newb town intent to lynch someone he earnestly has a scumread on. I believe it.

[MattP]

Can you outline the buddying between shotgun and BK?

[MattP]

EBWOP:

Or whatever merited this post:

I'm starting to think shotgun and BK are a team.

[MattP]

In response to #444, I just thought that he had said that they were buddying but after looking back at the post I realized I was wrong.

[MattP]

Morton, if you aren't going to quote then in the future can you link the posts to each post #? It otherwise makes it hard to look back at your points.

[MattP]

By the way, MattP townslipped.

Posting a cathc-up post, but for now, let me do some math.

There is a 50% chance that the cop is safe now that psyche roleclaimed, unless he is scum. Let's be absolutely cycnical and say there is a 50% chance he is lying. Then half the chance of dr being safe. That means there is a 25% chance that dr is safe for the rest of the nights.

If everyone claims and we find that Psyche is indeed a faith healer, or we find the two correct healers, we know there is a 50% chance of dr being saved for two nights (the faith healer protecting the faith healer dies, then the faith healer protecting the cop, then the cop, so two days of investigations)

This game will last the following amount of days if no scum die and no mafia kills are blocked:

D2 there will be 3 scum 9 town
D3 there will be 3 scum 7 town
D4 there will be 3 scum 5 town
D5 night phase scum wins.

There are, therefore, in the worst situation, 4 night phases.

If we therefore do the math, there is a 25%x4 for no massclaim and 50%x2 for massclaim. In conclusion, a massclaim doesn't really effect anything. However, I never took a stats course.

However, if I'm right then we should NOT massclaim since it will make no difference and why do a massclaim that makes no difference?

[MattP]

EBWOP: However, we can actually assume that scum won't get a perfect win, so the amount of days will increase. Therefore, there is only the chance that no massclaim is more strategic since every added day equals more possible results for the cop.

[MattP]

In conclusion, I vote no massclaim.

Also, here are my catch-up notes:

Shotgun is stupid/emotional conftown. Derp.

Darkling, good job, you actually posted interesting material this time. I specifically agree with your points on Om Nom, the voting block bad idea repetition to Vijay, your point about Trollie maybe playing newbscum, and you not opportunistically jumping on Chrimi. You make a case about BK about how he "jumps some posts around without good logic" and "Then his counterarguments are all based on that bad logic". I'd like to see quotes of these and reasons.

Kondi, what is my townslip?

[MattP]

Post #562 reads town.

I think we should do a popcorn vote regarding a massclaim. Majority rules.

p-edit: my thought exactly regarding the BK wagon, Psyche. I'm waiting for an explanation about it from Darkling.

[MattP]

Going out on a date with Trollie so that he can buy me food in an attempt to woo me into bed. Will be back later to respond to the BK argument.

[MattP]

On BK:

And of course, you left me out, which means that you don't have all of the town in there.

Yes,

we

left him out....I find Chrimi the most fun player to be in a game with so far.

Explain this.

Meanwhile, VOTE: Kassadin

actually this is much better
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mortontfrh

your record is bad as town. I'm not taking advice on how to play town from you, not when Kass is involved anyways.

An unexplained read and bad logic.

although kondi said he was just reaction testing, I should clarify that dmr seems to support it, and vjay blatantly does. anyways.

P-Edit: I have experience with Venmar off-site as I said. This is his his normal, and at least he tries unlike Kass. Also, I have many game's experience off-site. Thirdly, you're scum if dmr is.

More bad logic, basing Kondi as scum off of his terribly bad '

we

' argument.
That's not all I was referring to but it sums up his behavior in a few quotes

An unexplained read isn't a scumtell.

The only reason an unexplained reads can be scumtells is if they are used for the sake of seeming like you're scumhunting and have reads. That vote on Morton does not read that way, it reads, "it's time to put pressure on Morton." It does not at all look like an appeal to town.

BK's town read on venmar is not scummy, it's just flawed. It would be scum if he seemed scum with more knowledge than us about who was town and was using it to seem town, but he does have a seemingly legitimate point for his read from his standpoint.

Nothing BK has done is very scummy or very towny. He's just null and this wagon on him is stupid with the reasons suggested.

Om, yes, you should stick to your gut, but you should also be giving logical reasons for your gut read. Also, yes, you shouldn't ALWAYS doubt your gut but there are times when it's good to admit you're wrong, otherwise you become antitown.

Psyche is town for his admittance on the kondi situation.

Kondi, you're being useless. You keep insisting that you use intentions to determine reads, but that's not town motivated. Town cannot use your reads based on intentions to their favor because we don't derive anything from you posting a read list and then saying, "I can't explain my reads logically, it's just an intention thing". You posting your reads will not sway town to listen to you, and that makes you either scum trying to seem like you're scumhunting or useless town.

I want to do a read of morton because I've been overlooking him, and I will post it later tonight.

[MattP]

Who asked Kassadin if he was cop? I can't find it.

[MattP]

EBWOP: Never mind, found it.

[MattP]

Better. I think your points on Om and Vijay are valid ones.

Venmar didn't give a different opinion of the bloc idea, not did he disagree with town. He initially called you scum for it in #37, as I previously pointed out, but he didn't vote you, showing that he was fencesitting and trying to get people to vote for you without getting his hands dirty. I really find his #37 scummy for, "Making a random list of most likely random people is just kind of weird to me, as some of those could be your scum buddies." Also, I REALLY believe with all my heart that succinctness is a towntell and overexplaining is a scumtell. Little add-ons in his posts, like "Just saying, I don't like it" read newb scum not knowing when to shut up.

Also, apparently he is not a newb and has actually played with BK off-site. All of your points on Venmar have been refuted and you should reevaluate your read on him.

I also, disagree with your point on Darkling, I don't think that that's a towntell. It could be that a scum is already on your wagon and he is just not committing to distance himself from his scumbuddy. It could be that he is trying to actively look like he is scumhunting. There are many scummy reasons he can be fencesitting and it is not at all a towntell.

[MattP]

@Mod: I see you there. I am begging you to put up a vote count. We're like 20 pages in and we need one. Thank you.

[MattP]

I did not see that. I am soz, you may lick me as compensation for my error.

[MattP]

I unvoted.
@matt, venmar has played 1 game off site, this is his 2nd game of mafia period.

Whatever, I stick to my read on him. He still doesn't get a free ride for being a newb.

[MattP]

I would still agree to a Kass PL today. I think he is useless and I know he just endgamed in another open and was useless there. Had there been someone else in his slot the outcome may have been different. I want him lynched or replaced.

[MattP]

That was me that endgamed him.

And quite the opposite, BK. He's too easy to read.

Yeah, and if you're town this round you should realize that because of him it may very possibly be the other way around.

Here's what I think. Let's make a temporary 7 person "let's PL the fuck outta Kass" 1-day-temp voting bloc and get this over with.

I don't care how easy he is to read, it doesn't change that if we are in lylo and his vote is the deciding one we're fucked.

[MattP]

Be the other way around, as in you will be the losing town.

[MattP]

But that kinda goes against the policy of lynching people you think are scum.

Ok, two things:

1) If voting him off increases our chances of winning then it's a protown decision
2) Him saying he skimmed the thread is not a strong enough reason to give someone a townread anyway.

[MattP]

If there are 5 players left, one being Kass-town, and 2 of the 5 are scum, do we really want to trust Kass to not make a stupid vote and throw the game for us?

Cool, think about that.

[MattP]

I'm thinking he's probably going to get lynched sometime anyways.

Why should I PL him over lynching someone who I think is scum?

Because you have the rest of the game to lynch scum, this is the one time where we will probably be able to pull a Kass-lynch through.

Saying he will get lynched some time anyway is bad logic. There is no way to prove that. Plus, Kass is a quiet player. There will always be a louder, better target than him, especially if most players can't get a read on him.

Seriously, if Kass is in lylo we are fucked.

[MattP]

VOTE: Kassadin

[MattP]

BK, worry about Morton tomorrow, let's get this over with.

[MattP]

THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN I ALREADY ILLUSTRATED WHY HE WILL NOT BE LYNCHED AND WILL MAKE US LOSE IN LYLO

I AM NOT LOSING BECAUSE OF HIM I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO

KONDI GET YOUR VOTE BACK ON HIM

This is bullshit kondi, how the fuck was it a good call? He didn't reveal anything we didn't already know, you just piggybacked his point. Well guess what, you and Kass are scumbuddies and that's why you were so hesitant to get on the wagon and were so quick to get off for BS reasoning. After we get him lynched you're next

/RAGE

[MattP]

You can't refute every point made against you with WIFOM, that's not how this works.

Your vote on Kass has nothing to do with Faith Healer roleclaims, you could have had your vote on him and also waited for counterclaims, that's a blatant fucking lie.

Can't wait to see you and Kass as Deadscum

[MattP]

If there's a counterclaim, we're not lynching Kass. Unless Kass is that counterclaim.

I expect an apology when Kass flips town.

Obviously, but until there is a counterclaim, which there won't be because Psyche and vijay are town and even if vijay was scum he wouldn't claim because the last faith healer would have no reason not to counterclaim, there should be pressure on Kass. I stick to the fact that your unvote on Kass and your reasoning for it are incredibly scummy.

Nope. Your manipulative remarks won't work.

Also, I'm fine with lynching Kondi now since he majorly scumslipped as long as when he flips scum we go after Kass.

[MattP]

VOTE: Kondi

[MattP]

lol. this is really funny
IM expecting someone from Matt, Trollie or BK to be scum zzzzzz

Woa, that wasn't expected

I've just accepted you suck, congrats!

[MattP]

Everyone — if you were the cop tonight, who would you scan and why?

Ideally: Lynch Kass scan Venmar
Realistically: Lynch Kondi and 50/50 scan Venmar and Kass

Kass because people aren't going to lynch him and we need a read on him

Venmar so that I can verify he is scum and proceed, as promised, to make you all suck my dick

[MattP]

I like Kass. I just wish Kass's posts were more wordy.

Say Kass, you'll give me some input on that, right? But could you answer these questions, too:

Why do you play mafia? If it's because it's fun or evokes some other feeling, why does it evoke that feeling?

What is your strategy in mafia? Your playing philosophy that guides your posting and reading?

How do you feel about other players' animosity toward you?

These questions make me think you're an intelligent/sensitive person outside the realm of this game, and I figured I may as well tell you since compliments are nice.

That is all.

[MattP]

VOTE: Kondi

But I thought you were hellbent on a Kass lynch? You might never get to again, you know.

Yeah, well, unfortunately people don't listen to me for some fucked up reason or another.

[MattP]

Does seriously nobody think that Kondi scumslipped? I even explained it until he had no refutations.

[MattP]

Good call, vijay. UNVOTE:

This is bullshit kondi, how the fuck was it a good call? He didn't reveal anything we didn't already know, you just piggybacked his point. Well guess what, you and Kass are scumbuddies and that's why you were so hesitant to get on the wagon and were so quick to get off for BS reasoning. After we get him lynched you're next

Matt, like I said, I'm not retarded. If he were my buddy, I would have bussed that shit to next week.

I want to see if there are any Fith Healer CCs first.

You can't refute every point made against you with WIFOM, that's not how this works. Your vote on Kass has nothing to do with Faith Healer roleclaims, you could have had your vote on him and also waited for counterclaims, that's a

blatant fucking lie.

until there is a counterclaim, which there won't be because Psyche and vijay are town and even if vijay was scum he wouldn't claim because the last faith healer would have no reason not to counterclaim, there should be pressure on Kass. I stick to the fact that your unvote on Kass and your reasoning for it are incredibly scummy.

It's a scumslip because his reasoning for unvoting was a LIE.

[MattP]

@Psyche, I know but this is the most offensive

That's not a slip. Lying isnt something only scum do.

Furthermore I thought he understood the point I made about shotgun copping Kass.

Kondi agreed we don't want kass in lylo even if he is town so we want to policy lynch him. Kondi when against that by suddenly being ok with him being town via a shotgun scan. This was a blatant backtrack.

Second, if he says good point to the shotgun argument and unvotes and then he claims the reason is to see if there is a counterclaim to the FHs, then he changed his story ie he lied.

p-edit: BK, did you accidentally quote my one post at the top of your last post or do you have a response?

[MattP]

I will agree to a voting block with the following players:

Vijay
Psyche
Drmyshotgun
Om (even though I think he's annoying, but he is town)
Trollie

[MattP]

Kondi is L-2

[MattP]

/in

[MattP]

DO NOT HAMMER WITHOUT STATING INTENT TO HAMMER

[MattP]

I think Kassadin since he is absolutely unreadable.

[MattP]

That was AtE. Whether it was a scummy or a towny AtE is unknown. It was not a decisively scummy AtE

[MattP]

I want Kondi at L-1 for obvious reasons. Please pace him back at it. Thank you.

[MattP]

Why do you want me at L-1?

Someone still needs to make the list of people who have claimed FH.

I would say but it would defeat the purpose of it.

[MattP]

Actually, forget my point about scanning Kass. When Kondi flips scum it will be obvious that Kass is scum due to association.

Scan someone loud as they are the easiest for scum to mislynch. BK would be fine.

[MattP]

Scum wants to keep Kass around as long as possible regardless of Kass's alignment.

Durr

Kondi, let's play it by ear

[MattP]

WHAT

THE

FUCK

HAS

HAPPENED

[MattP]

Psyche is town because I fucking say so.

Vijay was the second to claim and the second is obvtown because he knws that the third would know he's lying if he's scum.

Chrimi is the fucking scum and was an IDIOT for claiming, I have no idea wtf went through his head and I want his head on my mantle tomorrow.

[MattP]

DRSHOTGUN, CHRIMI OR PSYCHE ARE SCUM, VIJAY IS OBVTOWN END OF DISCUSSION

INVESTIGATE PSYCHE OR CHRIMI

I personally think psyche is town but whatever, it's your choice.

p-edit: Om, stfu you're town

[MattP]

Also, this voting block does not exist until we find the scum out of you three

[MattP]

STFU Chrimi, I'm going to have my point heard as I missed out on the discussion

So what you're saying is Vijay is obv town and I'm less town than psyche? So pretty much you think I'm scum?

Well, have fun convincing shotgun of that.

Vijay is obvtown being the second to roleclaim. That is guaranteed. I personally think Psyche is town which leaves you, and that's not surprising since you're the only one of the three I didn't have a townread on prior to roleclaims.

I am not convincing shot to investigate you, I'm trying to tell him not to waste his investigation on vijay

p-edit: Om, I find Fate to be a great player and one that I enjoy listening to and learning from. I find you annoying. You fell short on the copy game. Take off another three hours from posting kthx.

[MattP]

I vote we PL Om tomorrow

[MattP]

Well you vote means nothing.
Your PL'ing obv town which isn't in town's best interest.

I wish there was some way to make you be less annoying, do you have any suggestions?

p-edit: OBVIOUSLY I WAS FUCKING KIDDING ABOUT THE PL WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

[MattP]

Chrimi, I understand what Psyche would get out of it but do you concede that Vijay would get nothing out of it?

Therefore, shot should not investigate vijay tomorrow, do you agree?

[MattP]

Cool, I'm just going to ignore you for now on Om

Problem solved.

Chrimi, your concern should be getting psyche lynched, not vijay, if you're town

[MattP]

Cool, ignore the town's driving force, see where you end up.

You??? Driving force??? HA

[MattP]

I am keeping you guys in line to stop you from making the wrong decisions.

How old are you? This is not a demeaning question, I'm genuinely curious.

[MattP]

k, so 12.

Moving on then.

p-edit: Chrimi, can you outline the scummy reasons for vijay to claim?

[MattP]

He would not only be making town thing he's conf, he would draw out the last FH and yeah.
Although, I guess Psyche's scummy possible reason is a lot more scummy than that...

IDK, just investigate pysche or vijay and we'll have the answer. The answer will be tomorrow, and I shall decide then.

Until then, Om, stfu or tell us.

Do you think that it's worth it for scum to reveal themselves to get rid of a 50% doc? I understand why they would claim first thinking the other two FHs wouldn't claim, but I don't believe vijay wouldn't sacrifice himself for a FH

[MattP]

Well...

If he did, it would mean scum knows all 3 of our PR's, and we only know one.

Yes, but they already know two, those two are unimportant in the equation. By fakeclaiming they learn ONE more role, which is a 50% doc. It's very implausible they would take that tradeoff.

[MattP]

If you are town and your plan had worked with noone "complicating it", then the FHs would have not targeted the doc and if mafia had decided to take the gamble then the doc would have died.

The only redeeming factor of your fakeclaim is that we can hopefully find something interesting from the reactions to it

Why the hell would you take this gamble

[MattP]

EBWOP: Never mind, you explained. I am intoxicated and am going to sleep. I'll respond tomorrow. :/

[MattP]

I lied That's why I kept insisting the other FH claim because I knew there was another one. I just wanted to lower the chances scum hits one of our PRs and avoid scum fakeclaiming. I didn't know if Psyche was town or not, so I claimed. If he was scum then we'd have two more claims and shotgun can save us. But since only one other claim was made, these two are town.

We should have four confirmed town if shotgun got his stuff sorted (ie investigated me).

I thought all night that Psyche lied about being a FH and had come up with an entire case on why he is scum because he was the first person to claim, but now that's scrapped.

Vijay is guaranteed town since if he were scum he would have known that the second FH would counterclaim leading to his eventual lynch.

This is actually great.

[MattP]

I'm interested in what scum were thinking during all this. I hope it shows up in the 45 page reread.

They were probably laughing their asses off

Also, for now on we need to make a rule. The block doesn't vote until EVERYONE on it agrees, because the mislynch on morton was horrible.

[MattP]

So who are in the Block?

Me
You
Psyche
Vijay
Chrimi
Tentatively Kondi
Tentatively Trollie

That's where we left off. I think we should revisit the tentatives because I don't think they deserve to be on there anymore.

[MattP]

And I refuse to let all of the scummy shit kondi pulled day 1 go.

I think a 5 person block is more than enough considering that's out of 13 players.

[MattP]

Soooooooooooo back to my case on venmar...?

[MattP]

Okay, i disagree with you guys for voting on Kondi. He is clearly not scum in my eyes...

Wow, that's funny Venmar, because the last two times you mentioned Kondi prior to this:

I don't like how Shotgun and Kondie are basically buddying each other.

Limbo ( Not sure if Mafia or Townie )

- Kondi

(

You know, i am leaning scum just for the bloc at the beginning of the game

, but at the same time i kind of believe him that it could have been a bait trying to arouse reactions from others. His further activity in this game has been promising, so i doubt he is mafia because making that bloc would have been a fairly dumb mafia move. Seeing as Kondi doesn't strike me as a bad player, i doubt that it was scum mistake.

This makes it seem like kondi is town and venmar is scum and venmar is trying to keep his hands clean from the bloodbath that would have arisen if kondi flipped town. He was never outright against a kondi-scum read, so him saying that he is "clearly not scum in his eyes" and that lynching him is a mistake is classic scum distancing from a town lynch.

[MattP]

This makes it seem like kondi is town and venmar is scum and venmar is trying to keep his hands clean from the bloodbath that would have arisen if kondi flipped town. He was never outright against a kondi-scum read, so him saying that he is "clearly not scum in his eyes" and that lynching him is a mistake is classic scum distancing from a town lynch.

i get where you are going here, but why do you think kondi is town in the first place? are you just saying that because it explains the venmar distancing?

Notice I made it a conditional. However, if Venmar flips scum then I'm pretty certain that Kondi is town. And considering my reads are always superb, Venmar is almost definitely scum.

[MattP]

Vote: Venmar

[MattP]

Lol cop me tonight.

[MattP]

Venmar is basically claimed scum by this point.

[MattP]

Fine. But when Venmar eventually flips scum you can all suck my dick.

First of all, if this was true, why wouldn't shotgun suggest Chrimi as a person to be in the bloc in the QT?

VOTE: Kondi

The kondi wagon is better than the BK wagon because of this idiotic

lined up excuse

reasoning

[MattP]

Please all form a single-filed line and no crowding pls ty

[MattP]

I apologize, Matt. But I still haven't gotten any apologies on my calling of vijay-town.

VOTE: Venmar

oh and you're scum

Investigate me, shotgun.

PEdit: Trollie, treat anything that Venmar says up to this point as WIFOM.

You think I'm scum but you want shot to investigate you?

Rich.

[MattP]

Kondi, you're fucking obvtown for the reason I posted about Venmar's keeping his hands clean on you, don't ask him to waste a fucking investigation. You will not be lynched tomorrow. And if I'm scum wouldn't it be great if I was investigated? I would be lynched tomorrow and you can be investigated the next day if need really be (BK should be investigated the next day). Take a deep breath and think about what you're doing.

[MattP]

Sorry fpr the cussing, I use it like salt on a post sammich.

[MattP]

You actually have a point, Matt, considering the only person strongly pushing me is my top scumread.

Matt, who do you think Venmar's buddies are? If you aren't scum, it'd have to be Trollie and Kassadin.

Trollie and BK.

[MattP]

Yep yep

[MattP]

Derp derp. Nomming this round for worst player-base if that's a nomination category lol

[MattP]

I'd like to confirm Matt., but I'd be expecting a town result. But he'd be a nice add to the bloc.

Aw, now I'm blushing

Also, if we kept Venmar to lylo he would spam us with wifom.

[MattP]

No, we lynch Venmar. I am NOT dealing with all the WIFOM you guys are asking for. Wtf

[MattP]

Where is Om Nom

Shhh, this day got to be 1/10th the length it could have been. Don't summon him.

[MattP]

Venmar, you actually responded very well to pressure on you. It was your slips, not reactions to tunneling, that did you in. So, you actually played a nice game for a new player.

[MattP]

What the hell happened while I was at school? Last time I checked (which was around 5 hours ago) this was at around 42 pages.

Anyway, reading up.

Don't worry babe, we lynched scum

[MattP]

Do you get bored of being useless? I mean, there has to be something you gain from playing mafia. Some sort of emotional satisfaction. I play mafia because I think it's rewarding to think and put together some sort of puzzle; or to try and mess up the puzzle for everyone else. You seem to have no reason for playing. It's almost like it's similar to breathing to you, it's just some thing you do apathetically because you have to. I don't think you really enjoy it or derive any sort of happiness from it. I think you should reevaluate whether mafia is worth your time, Kass, because I think you may be really bored with it and just not consciously realize.

[MattP]

I'm not mad, I'm inquisitive / trying to help him realize he is probably more bored than he realizes. He's probably dumb for not realizing he's bored or a troll, and either way good for him. I wish I were dumb enough to think that about life.

[MattP]

You are a joy to have around, Kass, you are a breath of fresh air from the cynical lives we all lead.

[MattP]

Welp, glad I know your alt, Kondi

[MattP]

They're probably just targeting dr hoping he dies, makes for a boring game though. This is pretty much a guaranteed town win by now.

[MattP]

VOTE: TheTrollie

This is too easy, if not for the dumb mislynch on morton this could have been a perfect game.

[MattP]

matt don't act like town didn't play a very nice game. vjay took that crazy gambit that could have resulted in all 3 FH claimers to be mislynched, if drm was NK'd night 1.

Scum is playing horribly, regardless.

I'd actually like to see a Kass invest tonight over everyone else just so that we don't end up with him coasting for like 5 days. BK is a good second place.

p-edit: Kondi, you're pretty much conftown. We don't have to rely on investigations to clear every player, Venmar's reactiosn towards you and your recent play bleed town.

[MattP]

Also, BK's points on Kondi. Add those to the "kondi is obvtown" list.

[MattP]

matt, he wasn't obv town till this flip.

You're clearly just not as perceptive as I am.

[MattP]

and no it wasn't obvious, trollie had a good case on Kondi.

And so did I, but Venmar's opportunistic distancing from Kondi to keep his hands clean when Kondi flipped meant that Kondi was obvtown.

[MattP]

How about this for a deal:

Investigate me
Lynch DerpKass
If DerpKass flips town investigate BK
If BK is town, lynch Darkling

Isgudplanamirite?

[MattP]

I'm kinda loling that I'm being considered one of the most suspect players when I've been like totes awesome this whole game so I want people to stfu and get their investigation of me over with in exchange for a much anticipated lynch of Kass lol. My plan is better because that will happen

[MattP]

Can someone bring up a case as to why Darkling is town?

[MattP]

There must be some mistake

Actually, I never thought of it this way

VOTE: drmyshotgun

[MattP]

VOTE: TheTrollie

[MattP]

Fuck yeah I get to be the hammer.

VOTE: Kassadin

Goodbye lil trollbaby

[MattP]

WAIT NO FUCK YOU DARKLING YOU WERE THE HAMMER YOU KNEW I WANTED HIS BLOOD MORE THAN ANYONE

[MattP]

Also nbd that dr died, it makes the game at least a lil interesting and we are already up a shitload

[MattP]

Last thing. If Kass flips town then there will be 5 players left that are unconfirmed. I would like every remaining player by the next day to have descriptive reads on all five players. Kthx.

[MattP]

Fix your avatars it fucks with my brain!

[MattP]

Maybe we should try the whole deliberate scumhunting thing today.

Last thing. If Kass flips town then there will be 5 players left that are unconfirmed. I would like every remaining player by the next day to have descriptive reads on all five players. Kthx.

I will be posting my reads shortly.

[MattP]

Ok, here are my quick reads:

Town

- Venmar

( Im town )

- Morton

( Hasn't given off a single mafia vibe for me. This isn't much but his play seems more townish than scummish. )

- Psyche

( Doesn't strike me as a scummy player. His absence at first seemed like lurking, but he has returned with plenty of decent and good content )

- Mattp

( He has been doing a lot of scum hunting lately and has been pressuring others greatly. Looks very townish to me. Regardless of how hard he is trying to tunnel me.. )

Neutral / Null

- DmrShotgun

( I am very null about shotgun. I can't seem to decide if his claim is legit or not. Until someone can help me decide if his claim can be trusted or not, i will stay null about him. Seeing shotgun wasn't REALLY pressured into claiming, his claim is a bit harder to believe. )

- Kassadin

( Very unreadable for me. I can lean town but he hasn't been posting enough nor giving much content in his posts. This makes him hard to read for ME. So i am neutral with Kass. )

- Om Nom

( Seems very energetic with his posting. Not sure if this is a hyper mafia or just a energetic personality. Semi-tunneling into Dark also seems kind of weary. But none of this really makes me suspicious enough of him to list him as mafia. So i am null here.. )

- Vijay

( Seems to be trying to scum hunt some people. Though i don't agree with some things, his posts are generally well spirited and fairly pro-town. However i am not sure if i can list him as a Townie just yet, nor mafia. )

Possible Mafia or Scum

- Darkling

( His post about saying lurkers are scummy so early in the game just set off plenty of alarms in my head. Compared with my post about Psyche, his is much worse. I only tried to pressure Psyche into talking, Dark outright said he was scummy for lurking. )

- BK-201

( I cant decide, but he seems to ignore or forget about questions aimed at him and it kind of makes him look like a scum trying to avoid further suspicion. I cant really say though, but out of all others BK seems to be more scummier than those below and most of the above. Further more, his justification for why Kondi could be a bad town is very insulting. I don't think current behavior should be based off of play records. Its easy for others to say your a bad town simply for not playing the game before. Im calling you out scummy just for that. However, in my previous off site game BK played somewhat well as a cop, but from my experience BK does not lie unless he is scum. For the time being, sticking with a possible scum read. )

Limbo ( Not sure if Mafia or Townie )

- Kondi

( You know, i am leaning scum just for the bloc at the beginning of the game, but at the same time i kind of believe him that it could have been a bait trying to arouse reactions from others. His further activity in this game has been promising, so i doubt he is mafia because making that bloc would have been a fairly dumb mafia move. Seeing as Kondi doesn't strike me as a bad player, i doubt that it was scum mistake. )

- Trollie

( His large disapproval of the Voting Bloc is very edgy for me. I think he could be a scum trying to prevent us townies from forming a bloc, which could actually help us get scum. Naturally, i feel like mafia members would try and prevent blocs to stop the town from organizing themselves to beat the mafia. Then again his suspicions for a bloc seem somewhat solid, as mafia members sneaking into blocs is always a possibility. I have a very un decided opinion on Trollie. )

- Chrimi

( In post 480, he exactly quotes " Neither of you claim,

we don't want scum knowing who another of my faith healer is

." Tell me what you guys think of what he said here. He could be saying he is a faith healer or just talking to the town in general. Him asking for the faith healer(s) is kind of a scum move in my opinion, as at this point the faith healers definitely should not claim ANYTHING regarding their role. This, coupled with my weird gut feeling on Chrimi and what others have said, i cannot decide if he is Town or Maf. )

Well there's my reads on people. Nothing is set in stone, and i am more than happy to answer any questions aimed at me.

After looking back on Venmar's post here, it's much more likely that Kassadin is the last mafia rather than Darkling. Investigate whoever, but let's lynch Kass tomorrow.

Om, stop letting your dislike for me blind you.

Why is Kassadin the last mafia over Darkling based on Venmar's post?

matt, he wasn't obv town till this flip.

don't waste your scan on me. you can try to lynch me tomorrow instead.

Avoiding an investigation on himself yet advocating a lynch on him. Anti-town with the mislynch yet seems to be trying to seem town with the "don't waste an investigation on me". Why is it better to waste a lynch rather than an investigation? Trying to avoid an investigation on himself with combined anti-town logic = +scum

Trollie was a fan of getting Kassadin replaced, rather than PL'd. Kassadin was a large topic of discussion for Trollie. It's dark or kass seriously.

I don't want to be investigated because it's a waste, just do dark and if he's town we lynch kass.

Changes story to no investigation on him + no lynch on him.

matt don't act like town didn't play a very nice game. vjay took that crazy gambit that could have resulted in all 3 FH claimers to be mislynched, if drm was NK'd night 1.

Sucking up to town.

[MattP]

Kondi is town for reasons mentioned previously. I can refind them if requested.

Also, I just thought of a GREAT idea to catch the scum, but if I say it it will ruin it. I will reveal after everyone gives their reads.

[MattP]

CHANGE YOUR FUCKING AVATAR <3

[MattP]

Ok, I asked for ELABORATE reads, those are useless.

Additionally, I am the most obvious unconfirmed townie left and you are an idiot to think otherwise.

I am going over Darkling now.

[MattP]

And I already elaborated why throughout the game.

Quote please.

[MattP]

It's ok, I did it for you. Here are all of the times you hinted at my alignment throughout the game:

MattP is town.

Nope, we aren't killing Matt.

Never in a million years.

It's possible to have a fake logical reason.

PEDIT: Just vote Dark anyway. I will not settle for a Matt lynch.

BK and Matt.

I don't have the most descriptive reads lol.

BK- null/town
kondi- town
Darkling- obvscum
MattP- second scumpick
OOTN - The most obvtowny evar even more den de cunfermed townees.

____

And I already elaborated why throughout the game.

No, you did not, liar. I don't like liars. So what changed your mind about me?

I'm gonna ISO om of the nom before Darkling because that was derpfail and Idk what to think of him now.

[MattP]

Om the nom is lining up lynches. He plays too protown but delivers nothing (see: his pro-town rambling about not speculating, his all caps ranting). His only solid case he ever brought up was, surprisingly, him connecting TheTrollie and Venmar as scum. Seems incredibly lucky, seems like he knows more than we do. This last move seems like a scumslip of him trying to line up the next few lynches but making a mistake in the process.

VOTE: Om of the nom

[MattP]

EBWOP: Playing uber pro town can be scummy and it is in this case. I think a Darkling lynch is an easy mislynch for scum and that we should look through the people who have been advocating his lynch if he flips town.

[MattP]

Dude, there's one scum and we have 3 mislynches left, there will be no quicklynching.

[MattP]

Eh, I reread Darkling a bit. He talks to much but has little content. That's a scum indication. He feels the need to overexplain himself.

Soft defending of venmar and trollie the entire game, yet keeps them as null reads.

p-edit: Yeah, me attacking a player that is read as one of the most obvtown players by most people is opportunistic. You're just sore that you made the biggest fucking fail scumslip in the history of this round.

[MattP]

After om's aggressive response towards me I want his blood NOW

[MattP]

matt, in post 1443 OmNoms was already calling me 'little scum that didn't want to be investigated'. Our names together implies he also thought you were scum.

He said you were town before that, but that had to be pointed out.

I was fine with being investigated so it was no at all implied. Also, he said he "elaborated throughout the game" which is a blatant lie.

Also, his response to me calling him out is scumtastic

[MattP]

I think a Darkling lynch is an easy mislynch for scum and that we should look through the people who have been advocating his lynch if he flips town.

Eh, I reread Darkling a bit. He talks to much but has little content. That's a scum indication.

Soft defending of venmar and trollie the entire game, yet keeps them as null reads.

Lol.

p-edit: Yeah, me attacking a player that is read as one of the most obvtown players by most people is opportunistic. You're just sore that you made the biggest fucking fail scumslip in the history of this round.

Nope, I've been read as more obvtown than you. I also like how your only defense is that you have been called town by a few people, and that I'm supposedly sore that I have been caught by scum.

Seriously, he discredits me instead of defending.

You are an idiot. I am saying that YOU have been read as one of the most obvtown players so how would it be opportunistic of me to attack you.

And "lol" because I changed my mind after reading through?

You're are completely ignoring your scumslip. Not letting it go. You

scumslipped

You

scumslipped

you

sclumslipped

[MattP]

Nope, I have elaborated throughout the game. You are deliberately omitting where I have to make me look like scum.

Liar, I did a search of my name through all of your posts and I came up only in those posts where you talked about me. You were conveniently too lazy to look though, funny

[MattP]

No, I'm saying your explanations are useless and seem like you're trying to seem pro-town. Saying Darkling's post is "fake content" is bullshit.

You also haven't shown me where you call me scum. Fucking show me I am titillated and I want your lovely posts inside me to show me the way.

pedit: Yeah because then I went through his posts and I felt differently so obviously I was going to say I felt differently.

p-edit2: That was equally as unhelpful as everything else you've posted this game, congrats!

p-edit3: Om, Idgaf what else you've said, you said something that was a LIE AND LIARS GET FUCKING SMOTHERED IN LYNCH SHIT

BK, Om lied, he fucking dies no excuses if he goes to lylo he will win it because kondi will vote the other unconfirmed player. He has to die in the next two lynches.

[MattP]

Yeah, because Trollie is my RL friend and was asking for clarifications and Venmar was fucking scum

[MattP]

Darkling, seriously.
If you are town, you will vote for Matt.

PEDIT: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
The only defenses you can muster up are, "Om lied so everything else he said is null. LYNCH PLZ," and "BAHAHAHA, YOU'RE USELESS AND STUPID. LYNCH PLZ."

No, I had other points but that's the most incriminating.

Also, it's funny that you say that when your point is that I am opportunistic when I'm not and that I'm "not defending myself properly".

You only are going after me because I'm going after you and that's just as incriminating as your lie, and your tenacity with which you are doing it is even more incriminating.

p-edit: I said that Trollie was null-scum, and then I voted for him, yes, what's your point?

[MattP]

Om, wanna do a 1 v 1 with me?

[MattP]

I'm so fucking sure that Om is scum that if he flips town lynch me next.

[MattP]

Cool we agreed to 1 v 1 I'm done arguing with your thick skull.

Lynch whomever you want of us two today, just lynch the other tomorrow.

p-edit: Your scumslip was your lie

And your stupid propaganda is not going to work. Saying I'm a hyprocrite and that I am not arguing your points against me when I have are strawman arguments. You are being so fucking aggressive I look forward to your head on my mantle.