Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

[Darkling_Perhaps]

/confirm

I'm not against this voting block idea curiosity-wise, but I'm not for it personally. It's way too plausible for scum to be a part of it which seems like an easier way for scum to hide by voting with the group. A the same time I'm curious to see exactly how this affects this game because I'm also new to the idea of a voting bloc. Kondi, why specifically those 5? I'm not as suspicious of you as the ones above unless you try to use this 'voting bloc' as some kind of shield, so only time will tell.

I'm going to make a vote towards VOTE: Kassadin unless he proves to me he's not just going to troll this game.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

My own two cents.

Scum lynch is way better than policy lynch.
Policy lynch is way better than killing other potentially helpful townies

So right now, I don't have any clear scum tells. Which means policy lynch wins until I know who the scum are. I would love if Kass got replaced with a good player, but I am going to keep the pressure on him to see if he'll possibly fix his ways. I honestly didn't think he could be replaced because he at least shows up and posts, even if the posts are meaningless.

Now lemme bring up some points of my own, see if we can find these scums.
@Kondi: First off you didn't answer my question of 'why these 5' but I guess shotty did it for you, claiming you're all friends. Now I don't like the idea that you were reaction hunting in my gut, but it makes a twisted kind of sense and I could see that.

You say only a dumb scum would try this move. I agree most scum are trying to keep their head low, but it would also be a smart scum move to try to get some bad reactions for townies and keep yourself protected, set up easier lynch targets. So while I do believe that you were reaction hunting I can't say that absolves you of any suspicion. I just don't think your scum hunting was really that potent happening so early. It would help, however, if you were to explain what info, if any, you got out of your reaction hunt?

You jumping on Chrimi seemed really premature, like you were trying to find a target instead of looking at the evidence. You acted scummy with the voting block and your bait of matt, and he jumped on that to pressure you.

One last point: the matt bait is the one thing that's making me feel like you're more Town, but I'm still watching you.

@MattP I'd say let Trollie fight his own battles, you aren't helping and you don't even know he's not scum (unless, of course, you are). Now for you. Why did you wait to vote for Kondi until after someone else did? Your reasonings for the vote weren't affected by someone else's votes, you just didn't want to make the first move. Also I can't help but feel you're using Trollie's puppydog love for you to make your own arguments stronger.

Last thing: I don't understand why you're hitting at Venmar so hard. He phrases something what you swee as suspiciously and suddenly you were all over him. It (being 'your scumbuddies') was clearly just saying he was suspicious of Kondi.

@Trollie Your arguments seem to have such shaky ground to them. Shotty clearly just had a different idea about the vote block at first and changed his mind but you keep attacking him for it. You need to learn when to cut your losses and stop beating a dead horse. The last few posts for a while have been drivel and you've been attacking shotty for little to no reason. I would like to hear, in one concise argument, why you think shotty's scum.


And that's about it for now. No strong reads, I'm just waiting for scum to slip up so we can hang a noose around them.

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@Nom So you're voting me because I haven't figured out who the scum are?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Well, since your post contained literally no explanation behind your actions, I'd have to guess you're looking to lynch a townie.

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@Nom I'm questioning people, waiting for them to slip up. I'd hardly call that being lazy.

@MattP I'm saying you could be using him to make your arguments stronger without actually having strong arguments. And i think you were reading too much into Venmar. All of us are potentially scum right now, we're trying to root them out. But you've attacked two players who called someone else scum. Why don't you like scum accusations?

@Trollie But he clearly thought it benefited town by helping to kill off Kass. He even explained that.

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@Nom T.T Right now, I actually have no clue who scum is. There are way too many players who are playing it quiet and I get the feeling at least one of them is hiding as scum. But until we actually put pressure on them we can't get them to pop. I'm actually a bit suspicious of Psyche because he's usually more active but again I have nothing conclusive, nothing to put a vote on besides Kass. Really, I think it's really early in the game.

@Trollie I don't get your point with who started what. Shotty didn't start the vote block but he stated he thought the vote block was formed to help kill Kass, because several of the members were talking about killing Kass in the sign-up thread. And just because he didn't NEED the block to kill Kass doesn't mean it wouldn't have helped. He was being optimistic about what he thought the original intention was. I mean I feel like you're ignoring his argument to keep fighting him for some random reason.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Hokay, if you want me to codify things I will. I just don't think it helps town one way or another. And I am putting pressure on Kass first and foremost, he's the worst of the lurkers because he's also a potential useless troll.

Town

Shotty: Ugh, I don't know why I'm trusting him this early. I just like his posts, and he seems to be generally working toward the same goals I am which plants him firmly in town. His scum hunting isn't bad. I was meaning to add an @Shotty to that long post a page back but I didn't get around to it. He's probably being overzealous of Trollie but he's not the only one, Trollie isn't doing himself any favors
Darkling: Scum-hunting, doing as best I can
MattP: Truthfully I like his Trollie suspicion too, even if I prompted it. He reminds me of myself trying to prove to Nom I'm town.

Null

Trollie: Part of me thinks he's trying to do a good job scumhunting and just failing miserably. I just don't trust myself to put him on Town because the other part of me thinks he's pulling the wool over my eyes. I've been questioning him to try to see which side of the fence he'll fall on.
Nom: I'm tempted to move you Town because you're at least looking for scum, but you haven't posted a whole lot of meaningful content yourself. Can I get your scumreads too?
Chrimi: I'm suspicious of him because he also hadn't said much but he's said more than the lurkers just now. Reminds me of my other game with him
Venmar: He seems more Town to me but his logic hasn't made any leaps or bounds. I was tempted to move him up just for the vibe but looking back he's really just put a tad bit of suspicion on Kondi and then agreed with the flip.
BK: Has only really gone for a Kass lynch, his Kondi logic is pretty basic
Kondi: As I said earlier, so far he hasn't done anything to tip the scales. I do believe he was reaction hunting, but I don't think he did that good of a job of it, so I can't tell which side he was on. I still wanna know what info he got.

Scum

Kassadin: Lurking, potential troll, hasn't posted any new nonsense but I bet he will
Vijay: Lurker
Psyche: Lurker, the only game I've seen him in he was really active
Morton: I don't like how Kondi said "Smart people agree with me" and Morton said "I'm smart!" Not a lot of substantial info otherwise

Note: None of these are concrete and resolute. The people in the Scum are not 'confirmed' scum to me any more than shotty and MattP are 'confirmed' to be on the side of good. These are generally gut-reactions.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

@Trollie That makes sense. So I can clarify, you think Shotty is lying about the Kass lynch and that's why you think he's scum? That's good logic, thanks for posting.

That would push Trollie towards the Town end of the spectrum, btw.

@Chrimi. I mean the posts you have made remind me of the other game, but you're more quiet which is what's suspicious. I shoulda clarified

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Wow, Kass. I'm truthfully impressed you read through the thread this time. Good work.

UNVOTE:

[Darkling_Perhaps]

@Trollie I can't say I agree with you on that, Shotty was wanting to lynch Kass before the game even started in the sign-up thread.

@MattP & Chrimi I actually think trying to deceive us is above him.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

... Dammit, now I'm all confused. Kass, do you even care if Town wins?

Bleh. That post was actually a little bit competent out of him, but it wasn't anyone else hasn't said. Dammit.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

@Nom Eh, if I can't change your opinion with all that I never will. i just hope you won't put blinders on to kill me and miss out hitting scum.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

@Nom Dark, if you don't mind.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Much appreciated. ^_^

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Darkling (or whoever called me scum for lurking) isn't very good at this game.

To clarify: Scum don't support town. Lurkers don't support town. Therefore Lurkers are more likely to be scum. Which is the only reason I put lurkers in my scum reads AFTER I said I hadn't figured out who scum are. Truthfully I didn't want to place my reads because I don't have any, but I was responding to pressure to help prove what side I am on.

We don't even have to be all town. If we have one scum, the conflicting interest within the group makes it even more obvious, allowing us to catch scum. Why do you think it's easy to catch scum in neighbourhoods? Furthermore, even if there is one scum, he has to work with us, adding his weight to our points which will be 80% town-sided anyway.

No. If you have one scum he'll just vote with you and hide in the voting block, making it harder to catch him, not easier. The voting block is a bad idea until you actually have townreads.

BTW, to add to my Dark case, notice how he needed to be pushed before he was able to list all his reads? And when he finally did list them, his main scumreads were lurkers.

And how exactly is that scummy?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

I don't understand the quick jump on Kondi for making the voting bloc. It's obviously a bad idea, and I can't fathom scum trying to come out of the gate with such a dumb idea.

People quick to accuse him of scum because of it seem to be a bit opportunistic. The idea was presented before the game had even officially started, so I think it's a bit obscure for anyone to be pouncing on how scummy it is.

This post is what I was talking about, Morton. Kondi had already said the same thing and implied that only dumb people would think he was scum after playing like a dumb scum. This post feels more like a response to that than your own ideas.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

BTW, to add to my Dark case, notice how he needed to be pushed before he was able to list all his reads? And when he finally did list them, his main scumreads were lurkers.

And how exactly is that scummy?

Because needing to be pushed to give reads = having to make up reads to avoid suspicion.
Making your scumreads the lurkers = Making it viable to hop on lurker wagons without having to put too much effort into finding the real scum.

But I already said I didn't have reads. I also said I'm willing to policy lynch lurkers for being more likely to be scum before I ever posted the reads. And I also already said that I am scumhunting because I'm asking questions to get a scumslip and investigating the actions in the thread. I can't help but feel like you're ignoring my scumhunting in some mad bid to get me lynched day 1. I'm doing as much scumhunting as you are. So why aren't you doing any real scumhunting either, since apparently I'm not?

@BK I don't understand your logic here. Kass has proven he's not acting like his usual self, which is exactly what we wanted to do by voting for him. I'm still willing to PL lynch him if he turns back into a troll if we don't have any stronger scumreads, but right now I do think he's proven himself a little bit. I'd say calm down and give him a chance.

@Kass Speaking of proving yourself, why should we vote MattP? What did he do to prove himself scum to you? Is there a reason behind your logic or are you just trolling still?

And I'm starting to get pissed about this scumreads nonsense. The game is still REALLY early, you can't penalize people who don't have scumreads yet. I'm still trying to figure out everything that's going on in the game, so just because I'm not quick to jump on people I'm not sure are scum doesn't make me scum. Calm yourselves down and find the real culprits here.

Last point: Can I get someone competent to actually do a read on me? I think I've been doing the best job I can to find scum but it seems people disagree and they have given only a barebones argument against me.

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7+ pages in 10 hours. o.0 Gah, I've written up two versions of ISO's that keep getting more complicated and rewritten. We've skipped through way too many pages x.X I'm going to break this post up into 3 so I can actually get it out.

drmyshotgun: Shoooottttttyyyy, a PR claim? Now? That's tragic. I didn't realize Trollie was bugging you so hard. I wish I had gotten this post out earlier, I think I could have stopped you. I'm waiting for a counterclaim. And if you're telling the truth then we just took a heavy hit.
What I already had: I like how you reacted to the Voting Block. I don't like how you weren't reading along with the thread for a bit. I never felt like you had that strong of a case against Trollie though, but your defense to his questions was excellent. Other than that you've been questioning and seeking information, so I feel you've been actually scumhunting. I don't understand why you voted BK. And lastly I'd like to get to hear your reads, I hope the speed this game has been plowing doesn't throw you out of it.

Om of the Nom: Your posts are info-lite and have become more and more trolling as the game went on. I strongly disagree that everyone should be expected to have reads right off the back. I would prefer to gather information before I throw around wild accusations beyond RVS, and this game's RVS was ended very shortly. I also agree with Trollie that it doesn't matter how Fate usually plays at all, the point is how YOU play. And I don't think you've been doing a very good job of helping town, considering you've given such low information about your own ideas of scum or town.

TheTrollie: I've seen it several times already where you've claimed someone is scummy for the smallest little things that didn't usually look like scumtells. And then when you try to justify your suspicions you claim their response isn't good enough and refuse to listen to it. I also don't like how you called a policy lynch retarded but then turned around yourself with an 'I'm so innocent, I just didn't know what a policy lynch was.' Overall I just don't feel like you're doing a good job scumhunting, and I can't tell if you're doing it intentionally and using the newbie claim as an excuse or if you're actually just a bad newbie.
To explain about shotty: You say he changed his story about the voting block. I see it as he revealed information. At first before he knew it was fake he said it would help town. After he found out it was fake he said he assumed it was made to help town by lynching kass. I don't see any conflicting information there.

Kassadin: Whoa, 3 posts so far. And your second post was actually competent, somewhat, even though it didn't exactly carry any new information on its own. But I'm still willing to give you a chance to prove yourself after your third started sounding more like yourself. So please answer the questions I posed earlier. Why do you think MattD is scum? What are your reads so far?

vijay2vasandani: I didn't like your MattP read at first but your explanation of such made a lot of sense. I don't agree with you about the voting block, I still think it'll help scum hide to endgame without forcing them to reveal they're scum and help them win. If scum is working and hiding with town, how do you find scum? And no, I didn't notice anything about your timezone and frankly it wouldn't change anything. I don't know you personally, for all I know you were a scum hiding out and being silent. I like that you've given good information, I do wish for more. I'm feeling a Town read.

Now I did want to say that I agree with both Vijay and Psyche that I was acting rashly by putting them both as scum for lurking so early in the game. I was just saying I was more willing to lynch lurkers because I think they're more likely to be scum.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

IioA

Heh, I had to look that up. I meant to post the full set of ISO reads with a final analysis at the bottom originally. I started like 15 hours ago and took a few hours break and came back to a bunch of pages. So I tried again like 9 hours ago, and the same thing happened. So that one above is a little incomplete. Lemme work on fixing that.

Chrimi: His posts have reminded me right off the back of the other game we both died in, we were masons. I thought maybe he was posting light but I realize I've been spaced out because of how quick the thread is moving, I've randomly been thinking more time is moving than it has. I agree with him about the voting block and I understand why he voted Kondi. I think his defense to Kondi's counterattack was very good, he reacted as I expect good Town to. I don't mind his shotty defense math, I don't see it as scummy to spread that information, and he followed the same train of thought I did when I was trying to see how we could get through the night with our Seer still standing. Truthfully I don't feel he did anything that's particularly scummy.

Now in regards to FaithHealers claiming: I do think it's a bad idea. It was gut at first but with the logic above it makes too much sense for our FH to claim. I'm just hoping the scum won't go for Shotty because they'd rather get a confirmed kill than a chance at a power role.


BK201: Good gods, I think we found ourselves a scum here. His Kass argument was literally 'scum if he acts right, scum if he acts wrong', though he tried to argue otherwise. Then he jumps some posts around without good logic before settling on Shotty with the bad logic that is his '

we

' argument. Then his counterarguments are all based on that bad logic. Ugh. I feel like he's just pretending to be a good little townie but not posting any god material. BK, can I get an argument from you not based on bad logic?
On this note VOTE: BK201 to get some pressure on this scum

@Kass Whoa, I like the new direction you're taking with this posting useful information thing. I'm waiting your reads tomorrow.

PEdit: Nom, you're still on me? *shrugs shoulders* Eh, we'll find the real scum one way or another. What I'm asking from you is some good info about who you think scum are and aren't. Perhaps an actual analysis instead of "SoAndSo is scum/town" or "My super psychic gut told me."

I'm exhausted. v_v I'm going to finish off my reads and analysis when I wake up. Have a nice night/morning/afternoon/evening, respective of timezones.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Morning, everyone. Seems we have another claim. So this Psyche ISO was right on time.

Psyche: Alright, so Psyche hasn't exactly gone post crazy here like some of us. His 348 reads are excellent, I feel this was genuine scumhunting, which makes me more inclined to believe his claim. But in that post he only really analyzed Kondi, I'd like to get some more in-depth info here as well. What are you thinking about who the scum are then, Psyche?

Claim thoughts: If he is telling the truth he has us at the most optimal position to save Shotty. If he's a scum liar then shotty is dead tonight. And if shotty dies tonight there's no way to prove if Psyche was a scum liar. Shit, I can't think of a good way out of this. I do agree that having anyone else claim at this stage is dumb and only helps scum so PLEASE no one else claim. One thing to consider: If Psyche IS lying and we have the 'other' FH protect Shotty he's not protected at all anyway because both of them will think they're the other. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Ugh, I don't think you claiming was a good idea at this stage, Psyche. I believe you, though, so I'm going to vote we don't massclaim, we take our chances, and the other FH stays hidden and protects Psyche.

On BK:

And of course, you left me out, which means that you don't have all of the town in there.

Yes,

we

left him out....I find Chrimi the most fun player to be in a game with so far.

Explain this.

Meanwhile, VOTE: Kassadin

actually this is much better
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mortontfrh

your record is bad as town. I'm not taking advice on how to play town from you, not when Kass is involved anyways.

An unexplained read and bad logic.

although kondi said he was just reaction testing, I should clarify that dmr seems to support it, and vjay blatantly does. anyways.

P-Edit: I have experience with Venmar off-site as I said. This is his his normal, and at least he tries unlike Kass. Also, I have many game's experience off-site. Thirdly, you're scum if dmr is.

More bad logic, basing Kondi as scum off of his terribly bad '

we

' argument.
That's not all I was referring to but it sums up his behavior in a few quotes

One more post with the last of my reads coming shortly.
PEdit: Ugh, I'll also see what I can determine from BK's claim but, top of my head, he's lying.
PEdit2: Psyche, I just saw BK's behavior as specifically scummy during my ISO of him

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Oh, that wasn't a claim but a correction. Never mind.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

@BK Answer any questions, you say? Alrighty then, while I'm working on finishing off my ISO's, lemme ask you this. Who are the scum and who are town? You haven't impressed me that you're actually looking for scum, so look for them.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Oh my. So much has been going on.

Important Note: I didn't get a PR. VT here.

I still trust Psyche's original claim. He's the one telling the truth and I think he should protect Shotty.

Now Chrimi and vijay...

Vijay's the scum. He claimed after a ton of us said 'No claims' because it would hurt town to claim, and hammered to save his own skin. Chrimi as scum wouldn't make sense, I don't see why a scum would claim after we have the two.

So it's too late to stop the lynch? Gah, we failed Day 1, if so.

So Psyche protect Shotty and Chrimi protect Psyche. We;re going to hit you tomorrow, Vijay, and then we'll get your partners. You've ruined any Town read I had on you with your shitty scum lies. Shotty, scan BK because Chrimi will probably die tonight and we need to know who to hunt down once we get vijay.

Last point I never got around to mentioning: The recent voting block seems like a good idea now, and I'm not really upset I'm not in it. Too many people don't trust me and from what I understand it needs trust to work. I'll prove I'm town eventually and then feel free to invite me in. I'm more liking the people in it now 'cept OmNom.

PEdit: I also think scum would prefer to not take their chances with a lynch, but I don't know if that's just wishful thinking. Vijay, what are you thinking now?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Psyche should protect Chrimi, Chrimi should protect Shotty.

I also agree Shotty should scan whoever. That makes sense. If scum know who he's targeting they'll either try harder to NK him or kill our confirmed townie.

And also this makes a ton of sense. I don't think the werewolves would hit Psyche because we're all unsure of him, why take away a target?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Agreeing with your points, is all.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

What are the thoughts to a Kondi/BK/Vijay scum team?

I'm not really feeling Kondi though Chrimi. Where was he bussing?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Not funny, Kondi. Not funny at all.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Aaaahhhh, this game moves so fast.

First off, I totally called that you were the liar, vijay. Good work, regardless, I'd never think the chance you took would pay off.

And we already caught scum? Geez, that was quick.

So...
OmNom
BK
Kondi
Trollie
MattP
Kass

Neat, 1/3rd chance of hitting scum tomorrow.

Letsee. I'm going to try to map out some interactions, since we have a more limited number of players... After I wake up. I don't think I'll beat out the mod but at least I can try.

Just my gut reaction on scum would be Venmar with... either MattP/Kondi or maybe BK/Kass. Nothing substantial though. I'm not really feeling Trollie as scum right now, rereading. Ugh, this game is crazy, 55 pages?!?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Dammit, scum got lucky.

Let me figure this out. We hit two scum so far and there's only one left.

Let's see. What's Kass's motivation behind his MattP push? He's been pushing it most of his posts so far. I feel like he could have been goaded into this as scum, because he's been playing blinders down against him, so to speak.

I'm going to take a look at Venmar's and Trollie's interactions, see if I can see any bussing or obvious distancing... First off the way they argued the voting block makes me feel like there aren't an scum hiding in there, but that's not really surprising, OmNom and Kondi seem to be on most people's Townlist.

BK's argument for the we case was pretty suspect and reminds me of how Trollie attacked Shotty over the same. They're both nitpicking details

MattP did jump on Trollie rather hard when I pushed at their connection. I don't feel like he was bussing though, just looking at it more rationally.

I'd put the two most likely remaining scum as BK or Kass, which means we've won this game.
VOTE: Kass

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Edit: 'two who are most likely the one remaining scum', didn't mean to imply plural

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Dammit, scum got lucky.

This is so scummy

.

Let me figure this out. We hit two scum so far and there's only one left.

Fake content.

I like to summarize before I begin. Both points are technically valid, but they're not truly content at all.

Let's see. What's Kass's motivation behind his MattP push? He's been pushing it most of his posts so far. I feel like he could have been goaded into this as scum, because he's been playing blinders down against him, so to speak.

Decent-ish I guess.

I'm going to take a look at Venmar's and Trollie's interactions, see if I can see any bussing or obvious distancing... First off the way they argued the voting block makes me feel like there isn't an scum hiding in there, but that's not really surprising, OmNom and Kondi seem to be on most people's Townlist.

Fake content.

Why? I truly think that their arguments for the original voting block had scum-based motivation. TRolle was quick to vote when he could jump on a bandwagon against the idea, and they both adamantly opposed it. I just feel like the reasoning was because there were no scum in that group so they were afraid it would work and hand us the game.

BK's argument for the we case was pretty suspect and reminds me of how Trollie attacked Shotty over the same. They're both nitpicking details

Fake content.

How in the hell is this fake? I noticed a correlation between Trollie's and BK's arguments. They both jumped on small details and rode the points for the longest time, trying to convince us that shotty was a wolf and get him killed. They didn't comment much on each other's points, not clearing linking to eachother while building a joint case on shotty. I find it highly suspicious.

MattP did jump on Trollie rather hard when I pushed at their connection. I don't feel like he was bussing though, just looking at it more rationally.

Fake content.

I took a look at MattP in correlation to Trollie because of how big of buddies they are. I was worried that when MattP turned on Trollie due to my prodding it was a bussing situation. But Trollie's responses to this boil down to "Comon, Dude, we're friends" which I feel he would have tried harder to counter those points if MattP was scum. Therefore MattP was not bussing.

I'd put the two most likely remaining scum as BK or Kass, which means we've won this game.
VOTE: Kass

Shitty wagon jump which was totally an intentional 'accidental' hammer.

I didn't realize it was a hammer, I was being stupid and didn't count the votes. So it's not a pretend accident hammer, it's an actual accident hammer.

Edit: 'two who are most likely the one remaining scum', didn't mean to imply plural

Completely ignores the fact that he hammered Kass (and he knew he hammered Kass) and instead just points out and fixes a mistake in his previous post.

This basically sums up why he literally claimed scum.

I don't see how any of those points are fake content. I was genuinely posting my thoughts on this matter. I went through about 40 pages of the thread trying to find the other scum and that's the main things I gleamed. This game is too big x.x

[Darkling_Perhaps]

I'd still like to know where exactly I 'slipped up' considering the arguments in question really were thought out in an attempt to find scum. And I disagree, I don't feel like I've been posting 'too much with little content' comments at all. Damn, I hate this game so much. Two things I take solace in: We're going to find the last scum and win, and I'm going to prove OmNom's gut read wrong.

My number one read is still BK. I think killing him will win us the game. VOTE: BK201

I'll look through a bit more, see if I can come up with a more comprehensive argument. I'm also going to look through MattP again, this time as another iso instead of just a correlation between him and Trollie.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Sorry, I had to run for a while.

Not that it matters now that the argument has been resolved, but I was going to say I was NOT going to jump on MattP just because you say so, OmNom. I don't trust your gut and I think the last thing I could do to prove I am town is to jump on a bandwagon before my suspicions are finalized which is what seemingly got me to L-1 today.

I'm still looking for scum, BK continues to dominate my suspicions. Please don't lynch me before I at least get my argument out. You can noose me afterward but I want one more shot to find scum.

PEdit: NOOOOO.... Fuck. I'm not scum.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

I won't, I'm a vanilla townie. Which makes your gut DEAD WRONG about me, OmNom. Weird of you to be the first to jump on me without ever fighting off my counterargument today, huh?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

*facepalm* Whatever. Kondi, you and Psyche are the only two I was trusting. Win this for town, k?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Reads

Psyche: Confirmed town. Plays like a detective, I have enjoyed playing with him.
Kondi: I think he's town. Keeps a level-head, and seems to be honestly trying.
BK: Scum. His posts are terrible, his logic is copied from other players. My strongest read. Have him explain himself before you kill him, ok?
V2V: Has been trying to have everyone else assume he's town, but he's probably telling the truth. His claimfake seemed outright stupid at the time but makes a lot more sense in hindsight. Could have ended really badly.
MattP: I don't think he's scum because of his interaction with Trollie. This latest fight he got into kept me at about the same place, leaning Town with how he defended himself.
OotN: Irritates me. I have a hard time getting a good read on him because of that. He seems to be persuing his reads well. I want to say he found Venmar and Trollie a little too easy but his logic was sound. Gets too emotional

Not that it means much, I can't help but feel like I suck at this game. Was my play really that bad?

[Darkling_Perhaps]

I hate this game so hard.