Open 403 - Donner Party (Game Over)

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Vote: Fritzler

because I had your favorite role in the Worlds Wost game

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

POP QUIZ

Everyone tell me the last time you used "third/fourth/fifth on the first wagon" to actually catch scum.

Never.

unvote

no need for a quick lynch yet

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

unvote

no need for a quick lynch yet

So you unvoted to make sure Xalxe doesn't get quick lynched?

Only problem with that is your vote was on Fritzler, who had only two votes, so Xalxe is still at L-1, even though your post tried to make it seem like it wasn't.

My RVS vote on you is now a real one.

Shit... I honestly thought I was voting Xalxe... That's why I unvoted.

Do you honestly think that I have the capacity to do that Saul? You've played with me before when I was scum.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I guess everyone has the capacity to be sneaky when it works so that was a pointless argument...

CES, care to explain what post 50 means?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I don't understand what the big deal over post 70 is. Is it really that bad to quicklynch him?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I see where its coming from when you put it that way, but I'm not putting the wagon at L-1 this early in the day. Too much information will be wasted.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I see where its coming from when you put it that way, but I'm not putting the wagon at L-1 this early in the day. Too much information will be wasted.

If you're not going to put him at L-1, and you're not going to bother putting pressure on anyone else what exactly are you planning on doing this game?

Are you just going to sit around twiddling your thumbs until someone else puts him at L-1 or are you waiting until someone else provides a reasonable wagon for you to sheep on?

No, but on page 6, I don't see anything to build a case on someone to pressure them

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

The intent is there; it just doesn't always work due to external factors?

Such as?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Can someone explain this wagon on vijay for me? I just went through his ISO and the only thing that I find remotely scummy is showing intent to hammer when no other indication of finding izak scummy was present. Other than that, is there something else that vijay has done to scream scum, or is it just that?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Makes sense. I know I've been quilty of doing that before. I want to see what he has to say when he gets back though.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

You may have, I don't remember a whole lot from magician mafia except Vi burned my ass bad that game

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Why is GNR not voting anybody?

I hate being wrong. Too often I've jumped on a wagon that ends up in a lynch and its town. I know its part of the game to be wrong but I still hate doing it. Also, the fact that this wagon sprung up pretty fast worries me that it will be a mislynch.

GNR: He seems confused and clueless. I've never seen him not be an easy target. That said for someone who wanted to make sure we didn't quickhammer so there was townie discussion, he doesn't seem to be discussing much. I would like to see him actually make a conclusion from all the questions he's been asking before deciding if he's dumbtown or scum.

What questions? Have I missed something?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

We don't need a claim; lynches aren't no-reveal.

?? No claim? That's almost asking for a mislynch on a power role.

VOTE: CES

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

##Vote: Scotmany12

<-- Still lurker scum.

FOS: Glork

right back at you. Why aren't you dead? Why does it look suspiciously like the only person willing to look twice at you dropped dead last night?

How is that suspicious of him? Wouldn't scum see that, kill them, and then blame Glork?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Hey, sorry, I've had a really busy weekend but I'll be reading up tommrow night.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Catch-up Post Go!!!

Spoiler: Wall of Reads

Chimera

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Null

Not enough to go off of. Of course, V/LA is an issue, so I can wait for this

Fritzler

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Leaning Scum

From what has been posted, not a whole lot has been towards discussion, especially this day.

Hey guys. I am back from V/LA. What is up?

This was his most recent post. Nothing with catching up or reads, just saying hi

Glork

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Town

Adding to conversation, starting if need to. Only thing I'm confused on is why he started gunning for me at the start of Day 2,

Could you explain you vote on me Glork?

Mortontfrh

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Town

Posts are short, but conscise. Speaks whats on mind without too much of a filter. I don't see Mort trying to hide anything anyway

Scotmany12

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Town

While I agree that the posts are few (I know I'm guilty of that as well) Scot seems town. It doesn't seem like he has anything to hide. Just scumhunting.

Shadoweh

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Town

Going strong from the start trying to find scum. From what I can tell, nothing to hide.

Have I answered the questions you have asked me? I don't remember if I have

vijay2vasandani

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Scum

Lol yeah actually.

But this is an intent to hammer. Now will you claim?

This. The intent to hammer was made on May 23rd. Day ended on the 27th, vijay did not hammer. Wait... just saw he was already on the wagon... WTF? Okay, intent to hammer was izak. Still, the fact that he just left his vote on the xaxle wagon with his intent. I sense scum holding back. They would want the mislynch, but not want to seem to quick about it.

VOTE:vijay2vasandani

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

??? interesting
This means that one of the people missing from Night 1 was either scum or a SK

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

tell me then, what else could be the case?

Also, I just looked at the living players list, which is 5
Assuming 2 anti-town factions are still here, its lylo for town.
I propose a mass claim.
What do you think?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Its still a good thing to try and claim. Using the claims, we can narrow down whos town and who isnt

There are multiple possible cases for what could have happened, actually:
Vig died N1
SK was targetted by someone N2
Roleblocker hit Vig or Scum N2
SK RB'd both N1 and N2
2 Kills targetted the same person N2

Hmmm, alright. I wasn't thinking there I guess...

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

No. I'm not

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Roles. The Roles people claim can help narrow down whos who. And yes, I see a flaw in this (I'll explain the flaw after we claim though).
I still think its the best course of action to go with.
What do you have agaisnt mass claiming?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

??? interesting
This means that one of the people missing from Night 1 was either scum or a SK

I really think this is a scum slip knowing that the Vig was shot.

Just saw this and realized. I never said the vig was shot. I don't even know if the vig is alive right now. I'm only fairly certain that one of the killing roles is out (shit. just realized that the only way this could happen is vig....damn).
Okay then... Vig died N1 this can be determined by
3 shots N1 then 2 N2
If scum died N1, scum kill would still be present N2
SK is 1 shot NK immune, so if SK is dead, it happened N2

This is assuming all actions were sent in.

Some more assuming, and we get one of these cases right now

2-1-2 (2 scum, 1 SK, 2 town)
1-1-3 (1 scum, 1 Sk, 3 town)
2-0-3 (2 scum, 0 SK, 3 town)
0-1-4 (0 scum, 1 SK, 4 town)

the last scenario would be nice, but I doubt that happened.
However, the first 3 scenarios means it lylo for town. If we don't lynch scum or SK today, we lose. Optimal play would be lynching scum in case we are in scenario 3 with no SK.

If we no lynch, max of 2 kills occur during the night leaving us at

1-0-2 (1 scum, 0 SK, 2 town)
0-1-2 (0 scum, 1 SK, 2 town)
2-1-0 (2 scum, 1 SK, 0 town)
1-1-1 (1 scum, 1 SK, 1 town)
0-1-3 (0 scum, 1 SK, 3 town)

I think I got all the cases down...

3 and 4 scenrios spell end for town win
1 and 2 are lylo again
5 is mylo

The best course of action is to lynch correctly today. We shouldn't rush it either.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

What about the post says I have too much information?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I see your point, but two things
1. I had forgotten there was a vig
2. I do like to remain optimistic

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

EBWOP

@Mod: Do night kills still go through if they died the same night they sent in the kill?

- Just brainstorming a bit here.

Also, Vig claims in their next post or future claims gets them instant lynched. Fantastic!

Why should the vig claim now? I feel that if the vig should claim, a mass claim should go into effect. The fact that you only want the vig to out themselves seems like you're role fishing.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

as well as the fact that I have said that I wanted the gunsmith (if there is one) to claim first. There was a slight chance we could have caught stupid scum if they fakeclaimed gunsmith.

Well... looks like claiming as started. I think if the gunsmith is alive, they should claim as well as claiming their investigation results.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

as well as the fact that I have said that I wanted the gunsmith (if there is one) to claim first. There was a slight chance we could have caught stupid scum if they fakeclaimed gunsmith.

Well... looks like claiming as started. I think if the gunsmith is alive, they should claim as well as claiming their investigation results.

Hmmm... i guess the roleblocker should claim now too (if they are still alive)

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

If we're doing a mass claim, I think scot should choose who claims next. And then we continue popcorn style.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

GNR should also claim.

I am the roleblocker

I blocked saulres N1 (which means he was town)
And I didn't do anything N2 becaus I thought night started later than what it did, so I didn't get an action in in time.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

This entire game is throwing my head for a spin. My only problem with lynching GNR is that it just makes no fucking sense for scum to say that they roleblocked no one. I mean, why would scum ever do something like that when someone else already stated the exact same thing?

Hmmm... i guess the roleblocker should claim now too (if they are still alive)

GNR you need to explain this.

I was hoping scum/SK would claim roleblocker beliving that there was no roleblocker. They would claim, I would claim, we would have our options for the lynch today. Me and whoever had claimed before me. Hopefully, we would've lynched the other, then we either get rid 1 scum (maybe the scum team) or the SK

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Three kills occured. I just think that because 3 kills occured, Saul wasn't the vig or SK. There's still the offchance that he was a goon that didn't submit the kill, but I find that unlikely, therefore, he's town

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I wasn't too sure of people on D1, so I just sent in a name

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I like how GNR has once again skated over the fact that the SK is RB immune, so 3 kills just told him that saul wasn't the Vig or the Mafioso who sent the kill. The fact he died means that he wasn't the SK, but there is nothing else to back you up if you really are the Roleblocker.

... He's RB immune too? I give up. I'm done trying to figure out what happened during the nights.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Yes, I know it looks bad, but when I'm trying to figure stuff out, I usually don't take into account that stuff (I think it's mainly because those circumstances aren't normally there when I try an figure it out...)

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

About 7, maybe 8
This is the first that I've played in where the NKs are no reveal though.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I really don't know what else to say to defend myself from that. I f***ed up. Thats the bottom line. Part of it may have been the fact that its about a month since the game started that I forgot that detail from my role PM. All I can say is that I'm the real mccoy with this role.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

okay, so I'm at L-1

Scotty, you need to target someone tonight. You have 3 options. I would personaly go for Shadoweh because he's the only one that I'm not leaning town. I'm sure phil is, not 100% sure on mort.
I know I'm not dead yet, so I'll get to some ISOs tommrow morning