Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[Espeonage]

/conformity

[Espeonage]

Claim: basically a vanilla townie.

[Espeonage]

Mala, one request, get an avatar. Helps distinguish your posts from everyone else's. Easier on the eyes and easier to work out who posed stuff on the fly.

[Espeonage]

Oh dear, this is going to be one of those games.

OK FIRST POINT: It might be the start of day one but I don't think that gives anyone permission to not use their heads.

Second point: Vote: Malakittens

You have started this game in the stereotypically scummy fashion of appearing overly nervous. You have commented on absolutely everything, and you keep repeating yourself every time someone says something you have agreed with. Already yuou are exhibiting IIoA with your refusal to follow up on alot of your 'ideas' which cooinceidentally seem to fit in with the bog standard neutral reading which is another sign of trying to artificially fit in. I think that's enough for now.

Now my claim. With a mechanic like Quarantine, I figured that everyone would be jumping to claim VT if they are in fact VT in the hope that it would mean that there is less likelihood of wasting it on someone that doesn't have a power. For the cynical ones, there are 'likely' to be goons who would also claim VT as it is the most safe claim to make, and goons also have nothing to do at night as kills are 'generally' a team thing meaning kills should go through regardless of quarantine. I want to make this point very clear so that we don't waste time early game in the case that a townie gets quarantined and scum think they're smart but no killing. This won't work until there is only 1 scum left.

Next point: Phill, NEVER I repeat, NEVER use an RNG to choose your rvs vote. The idea of the RVS is that people can start to get reads. But by RNGing your vote you effectively skip this and instead disassociate yourself from your vote which is anti-town. I won't be following this up yet, because Mala is already doing scummy stuffs, but bear it in mind for future games. You help literally noone.

And closing words, No I'm not a Ythan alt. I'm myself, I have my own alts. I just haven't played in quite a while. Uni9 semester and such things. My claim has been explained above.

[Espeonage]

@ Mala: Self meta is unreliable at best. Also, It's just a vote.

@ Image:
No I don't want everyone to claim. I expected a couple of claims which was one of the reasons I wanted to get in early. I was assuming everyone in the game power role or not to be claiming VT on the first day. I wouldn't consider it to be rolefishing. I have been working under the assumption everyone would respect the mechanic instead of ignoring it. Or using it stupidly. Why would you ever vote to quarantine who you are voting for like someone people have. If you want them dead then why the hell are you roleblocking them after they are already dead. It makes no sense.
Second point: Phill did it to, that was the one I saw. Shame on you too them.
Also you have completely missed the rvs. If everyone treats it seriously then it is actually useful. By not trying to come up with something serious from the get go you are holding town back. Every post that someone makes can and should be put under scrutiny. (makes grumble comment about how MS has been going downhill for the past two years.)

[Espeonage]

I'd say it's probably more useful as a public jail, and use in a similar manner- ie, going for people we suspect to be scum to stop them making the kill,

particularly

ONLY in the endgame.

LMAO FTFY

[Espeonage]

Second point: Vote: Malakittens

You have started this game in the stereotypically scummy fashion of appearing overly nervous. You have commented on absolutely everything, and you keep repeating yourself every time someone says something you have agreed with. Already yuou are exhibiting IIoA with your refusal to follow up on alot of your 'ideas' which cooinceidentally seem to fit in with the bog standard neutral reading which is another sign of trying to artificially fit in. I think that's enough for now.

I'm surprised you see this as scummy, and not just newb. I'm not saying it's not scummy, but I am saying his behaviour thus far has been incredibly newbish.

I go by the philosophy that everyone knows what they are doing until they prove themselves otherwise, simply because alot of people try to play to the I'm a newbie, it's not my fault sympathies. If you want examples I know alot of players that at least used to do this ALL the time. This is why having discernible meta is very important. I hate it when people come in to non newbie games without having played here before.

[Espeonage]

I think Espeonage is Town, but what he wanted us to do with his claim I'm unsure.

I think we should quarantine confirmed non-PRs. Like people who were cleared by Cop.
If we quarantine the Cop, he can't investigate no more. But when he's out there, he has chance of Doc protection and maybe keep investigating.

I would think it highly unlikely there is a doc in this game considering the jailkeep machanic. There might be, but I just think that town would be WAY to powerful if we had a doc as well.

[Espeonage]

EBWOP: I'm fine with being quarantined. I know I don't have a power role and I don't particularly want to be killed. Considering that I was the one who claimed and that nothing bad can come of me being quarantined I'm cool with it.

Quarantine: Espe

[Espeonage]

What community do you come from Mala. I've played in a fair few places that have NOC games like here and usually they are really lurky and not much ever gets said. The complete opposite of what you argue happens where you come from.

[Espeonage]

Well here used to have alot of large posts until people realised it stagnates the game.

Generally people here now will do alot of short posts.

For example if I need to respond in depth to four things I will make four separate posts one after another instead of doing a large post. Noone likes WoTs. I've also been in one of the top five most post heavy day 1s. Then again that game had real time mechanics that meant we had to carefully pick how long we wanted each day to go for.

What does CI stand for?

[Espeonage]

I am not in agreement of Quarantining vanilla Town. The only position that I'd jail a VT is if he/she were confirmed and there is no heavy suspicion on anybody else.

Nope try again. Ok think about what the quarantine is. It's a jailkeep, the person both can't be targetted and also is roleblocked. It's imperfect art so it's hard to judge it by the roleblock portion. Math says to not roleblock anyone simply because even if mafia have powers (which is likely given the mechanic.) they are unlikely to have more than town.

The priority is to Jail the most suspicious players. Scum would love this to happen. They'd know who not to target and they can use whatever power they have.

Why? Hmm, what happens if we hit the multitude of town that also should have power roles? So what if they know they can't kill someone, That person still can't die. Let me ask you a question. It may help me understand where you're coming from: Why do we always lynch day 1? (btw this is a highly relevent question as to why you are using the fallacies you are using.)

Like I said previously, most of the players that are advocating to jail known VTs are assuming that mafia has no PR. 3 scum players seems likely for a game this size. (Albeit, I don't know what is likely on mafiascum. I assume that the proportions are similar to were I am from.) If mafia has 2 PR and we jail one scum, they'd have to sacrifice the PR in order to kill, assuming they can only perform, one action. This PR could be Busdriver, Roleblock or even watcher or role cop. I would like to hinder mafia as much as possible.

No we're not, at least I know. It would be a pretty messed up game to have a communal jailkeep and not have mafia power roles, js. Yes there are most probably three, unless we have two scumteams, in which case there are probably four scum. That's a pretty big assumption. Not speaking for Richard here but site meta here is that the kill is the factional ability so anyone can perform it IN ADDITION to their normal role, so it becomes highly unlikely that they would have to give up a power role. Also, tbh, if you look at the maths of it, you are more likely to be a hindrance to mafia if we quarantine a VT because it takes out of the NK pool and we can choose who we want to be able to stay in the game. Remember if it's done on (psuedo aka scumreading based) randomosity like you are suggesting then we are most likely more likely to hit a town power role than a scum one. As much as you might have good intentions, harming town outweighs harming scum (given the inherent scum advantage that seems to be going around these days.)

responses in blod

Also I've never understood the point of voting lurkers. Why pressure them into voting when they aren't even looking at the thread. And considering most people will unvote if they get replaced there is actually very little incentive to actually respond to anti-lurker votes.

Brains people, we have them for a reason.

[Espeonage]

EBWOP kNo we're not, at least I know it's likely.

[Espeonage]

@ sword:
1. okay
2. Yes it does. A couple of them. So? How so?
3. Ok, I didn't trivialise my claim. I explained that I though everyone would want to do it. I wanted to make sure I was in the few to claim before it became dangerous to have more people claim. I claimed to give town knowledge. When we are ready to roleblock someone then my claim can be ignored. However when we are this early and the like it would be a bad idea to be blocking out town power roles. I would rather let scum be than to hurt the town in the early game. Especially considering it appears we have a weak day game.
4. Covering all bases to make sure I let him know of the posibilities. Read bro, it was right above it. You're missing the point, the claim isn't a cry for cred, it's to take me out of the power role pool. Goons are really the only scum that can get away with claiming VT, any of the scum could use the factional kill. What I'm trying to say is, what kind of difference does it make if I or anyone else that hypothetically claimed vt is actually a goon. The rationale behind it is the exact same. In addition scum gain nothing from that whole process. So basically even if I was scum, you're argument would only amount to barking up one tree and have me fall out of another just coz.

Unvote, Vote: The Trollie

That is in no way an acceptable post at this stage of the discussion.

[Espeonage]

I think the Quarantine can be used to do either protect strong town read or, after we lynch first scum, as a second vote after the lynch. Once we nail the first scum, if we are lynching scum, then we should be quarantining our second suspect to prevent the NK.

I'm less worried about blocking a town PR, since there is less likelihood (percentage-wise) of doing so.

Two things wrong here. Quarantine gets locked in when the lynch majority does. No changing it after the flip.
And bear in mind that town most likely have more or even PRs than scum. Your argument of percentage is flat wrong.

[Espeonage]

EBWOP: Remember PV, Goon is not a PR.

[Espeonage]

Lol BK.

You have all the right things but in the wrong order.

Ok let me tell you your argument. What you said is this: Yeah VT's shouldn't claim just to do it. This whole approach is scummy and the jail-mechanic is not an excuse to get away with rolefishing.

If you want to use the one the others are using it does like this:

VTs shouldn't claim. (leave out the other bit, you're trying to get me lynched not put holes in. I didn' do it just to do it. You even say this later, hypocrisy is a scumtell in many people's eyes no idea why because everyone does it, but anyways.
His approach is scummy and the jail-mechanic is not an excuse to see:claim.
I think he was rolefishing.
See those two things don't have a direct relationship. It has to do with how people see the motivations of the claim not the fact that the claim itself happened. So fixed.

Also, faily sure I've addressed the reasons brought up for why it could be seen as rolefishing so maybe best to leave that out.

Glad to help.

Also Shotgun, I don't think that was a slip. It's an important thing to keep in your mind, I think it's a very safe assumption that there is at least one scum power role. Now if you can point out WHY his sounded like it was bolstered by knowledge then you would have an argument.

[Espeonage]

Hey Trollie, you just got beat at your own game bro.

Unvote, Vote: guille

Shotgun, want to help shotgun vote this wagon into action?

[Espeonage]

I was on the fence of whether you were Mafia or Town. It seems that this vote of yours, without a valid explanation as to why, other than you feel threatened by me. I count 5 votes on you. I'll add the sixth because I am now convinced that you are mafia.
Nobody Hammer yet, because we still need to decide on the Quarantine.

Vote Espeonage

BTW,

You haven't really placed a case for trollie and Me

that deserved your vote. They seem like OMGUS votes.

Sorry forgot people are stupid and can't read between the lines. OMGUS only applies when there is no evidence. Again, brains people, use them.

[Espeonage]

VOTE: Malakittens
You've been playing newb-card for a while now, and I certainly don't see you as one anymore.

Why is Sword_of_Omens obtwTown again?

You have a point. I think Mala seem like anxious scum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Malakittens

Quarintine: Trollie

LMFAO.

FoS

your iso, three posts long, already terrible.

[Espeonage]

What was the point of that post?

Letting you know that unless something changes then I'll be coming down hard on you. You're only saved by the fact that guille is even worse.

[Espeonage]

What was the point of that post?

Letting you know that unless something changes then I'll be coming down hard on you. You're only saved by the fact that guille is even worse.

Your barking up the wrong tree. You need a better case against me than: you have a different opinion, and that I am attacking you.

However, there is something odd happening around here. Malakitten is Buddying up with Espeonage. I doubt that they are both Mafia buddies. If Espeonage were to flip town, it would look positive on Mala that was against his Lynch. Mala is looking worse than Espeonage at the moment for me. I've been getting a bad feel from her for a while, but her votes do not reflect her agreement to Espeonage.

Vote: Malakitten

Quarantine: Espeonage

Do I really need to explicitly spell out everything?

[Espeonage]

You do not have to. But if you do not explain yourself, nobody is going to follow your bandwagon.

You say that like I want people to lynch with me. This day has way to long to go for me to care if people are reading the same stuff as I am.

[Espeonage]

I'm gonna make it clear that Espeonage self-quarantining page 3 or 4 or something is a pretty bad scumslip.

I think you have scumtell and scumslip mixed up. You're free to see whatever you want as a scumtell but scumslips are where I accidentally say I'm mafia, assuming I am.

[Espeonage]

Gut feelings really wont get you far

. If you are going to vote for me, you'd better put a valid case on me, and also, I expect others to respond as well. I don't want to get lynched without my flip telling town who is likely mafia and who is not. I am trying to get information from Mala and Espeonage so as to better judge what to do after they flip. As far as I can tell, both are incompatible as mafia, I find it unlikely that scum would defend scum this early in the game.

However, If Espeonage is lynched and he flips Town. Mala is going to come out and say "See, guys, I told you that he was town", convincing several of you that she is town.

She says that she buddies up with experience players, and that that has gotten her lynched before. She could be town making this mistake, or Scum setting up the above scenario.

The thing is that, I have not heard an argument against me from those voting for me, and in turn I have given a valid argument for those I am voting for (And I admit that my logic might be wrong, but I need to hear a valid reason why it is wrong).

@Espeonage, Ser Arthur, and Malakitten:
Can you give me a detailed reasoning why you are voting? It would be nice if you could include a second suspicion and Explain why.

Bolded is the most incorrect thing you have said all game. My sig speaks the truth, learn it.
As for your question: Nope, that would ruin half the fun. There's a case there, currently I'm waiting to see if you're going to continue on this path or if you're going to put your head down and think. Currently you're failing pretty bad and coming across as information gathering for how to make yourself look more town now that people are voting for you.

[Espeonage]

Oh, I just read the word "detailed". No, I can't really give you a detailed explanation. It just your posts seem to be aimed at AtE and gaining the favors of the crowd, and trying to make yourself look good while at the same time soft-push a mislynch.

I see were you are getting at. I do not think I am using AtE to gain the favor of the crowds. I am using logic to gain the favor of the crowds. I am not soft pushing a mislynch because we do not know if it's a mislynch. You should use that argument after the fact. At this point your argument just looks like a Straw man.

This post made me laugh

[Espeonage]

@D3f3nd3r:

You voted Espeonage during RVS and kept quite while his wagon got as high as L-1 without any justification other than his self-quarantine. This seems like a pretty weak point, at least compared to what else was said. Why would it be a scum-slip to self-quarantine? How would this help scum at all? Further, why do you think whatever scum-motivation Espeonage has for wanting to be jailed is more likely than the town motivation?

@Espeonage:

In #149, why did you ask drmyshotgun specifically if he wanted to push a guille2015 wagon?

1. For alliteration
2. At that point shotgun was one of the few with their head screwed on.

What was the point of that post?

Letting you know that unless something changes then I'll be coming down hard on you. You're only saved by the fact that guille is even worse.

How is this warning pro-town? I can see this as an attempt at message-passing or a catch-22 (if he posts more, "He's only doing it to look town after I called him out on it" or "See? I told you he was bad" if he doesn't); I can't see it as useful scumhunting. Wouldn't it be better to make note of it, file it away, and bring it up tomorrow if his play hasn't changed?

Further, you haven't really explained your case on guille2015. You may think its terribly obvious, but even if it is, it still helps us to have your opinion on record rather than just vaguely alluded to. If you are scum, forcing you to have backed, justified reads is one of our bests means of catching you, so please share.

Ok, today I will teach you about Espe. Espe likes to show people he doesn't like their play, not tell them why, wait for them to keep doing it, and in the last few irl days of the day reveal why I didn't like them in the first place and how they have kept doing it and doing it throughout. This lets me have a stronger case after the initial suspicion which is one of the perks of not playing all your cards at once as well as it means I get to skip the momentum on the game thus making it easier to get the lynches I want because I think I'm better than everyone else despite the fact that I'm quite likely not. I will admit it works much better in newbie games and it makes ICs tear their hair out.

@ catch-22: Now that was kinda a setting myself up for a case later however I clearly explained myself citing his three post iso. Considering every game post has been pretty much a one liner with a new vote I figured I'd give that a chance to change. And no, because it's way to weak a thing to try and say someone is scum for. It was meant as a warning more than a threat. Not to say the threat isn't there, just that it's not the primary function of the post.

I don't like sharing before I have to. It ruins my whole playstyle. I'll admit, I'm terrible at my townplay. I catch scum, but have a terribly hard time backing up my reads because I rarely understand them. So I pick out one thing that is scummy on who I think is scum and I make a weak vote for it. Then as I see everything else play out that usually becomes a stronger case and I flesh out why I felt that way about them. I trust my gut as far as it stays a gut read. I won't follow my gut reads to a lynch unless I feel they are scum the whole way. I've been lynched ALOT of times for trying to derail a wagon I pushed for ages right before lynch because I've had an epiphany that they aren't actually scum. Every single time I've tried to derail my own wagon it has been on someone that eventually flipped town, (usually after my lynch lol)

[Espeonage]

EBWOP I answered a little bit in bold in your quote. in the above post

[Espeonage]

@Espe: What are your knee-jerk reactions to guile and trollie, and would you be willing to give any explanation on the latter?

Guille: Mainly seems scum from a bunch of little things which may or may not be due to alignment or personal playstyle.
Trollie: Terrible, terrible flopping.

[Espeonage]

There's a very large difference between something being viable and being so sure of its existence that you'd be willing to lynch based on it. But even worse, you have assumed that it is so certain that Espeonage must have reached the same conclusion of you and must see it as the primary motivation for his actions.

This comes across as an extremely weak attempt to justify your vote on Espeonage especially given that the wagon reached L-1. Together with the fact that you have done little to no scum-hunting and have tunnelled Espeonage for the entire game (you don't seem to have mentioned anyone else) I feel comfortable with a

Vote: D3f3nd3r

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He's town bro.

[Espeonage]

Remind me of this post after the first scumflip.

[Espeonage]

I call self-quarantine a scum slip.

Timeline:

Esp claims
I RVS vote
I announce self-quarantine is scum slip.
Esp self-quarantines

The point they are asking is why. Why am I scum for self-quarantining?

[Espeonage]

I am not convinced of this Wagon.

Neither am I.

[Espeonage]

Trollie: Terrible, terrible flopping.

what are you referring to here? when/how did I ever flop?

You flopped on my wagon without any prior anything. It was just, ohey, this guy looks like he has a good argument and then voted. Didn't say anything about me at all just added the vote. Your only sizable posts are all either IIoA or part of a petty discussion.

[Espeonage]

exactly

[Espeonage]

Espionage is the most popular quarantine right now. Saying its stupid but you wont explain why is just plain dumb and unhelpful. Same thing with an argument like "trust me, it's worth it." I think you are town but you are being utterly unhelpful to town with these posts.

Actually all the reasons why you would quarantine are now no longer in effect. So yeah quarantining me is pretty stupid.

Unquarantine, quarantine: Ser Arthur

Ok guille. You point has been made. There is no way to get a lynch on you today. That was a good post. You've gone from gut scum to niggling worry. I'll reveal if I feel like I want a lynch on you tomorrow.

I didn't know how close deadline was tbh. Anyways, I'm pretty sure defender isn't scum. So considering the other options close to deadline I'm going to have to go back to mala. Fairly simple logic right?

Unvote, Vote: Mala

[Espeonage]

-Headdesks-, so you rather lynch someone who is trying to help the town out of D1 fluff instead of lynching someone who is unhelpful and just tunneling someone. Yep, great logic there.

I'm more sure of defender being town than you being town. I don't want myself to be lynched, so there is really only one option. See mala the point is that while he isn't playing optimally, I don't feel that he is scum. I've had reason to suspect you early so while tiny that is the deciding factor.

tbh I think all three of the wagons are on town so it's kinda messed up. But I was asked to make a compromise lynch so I'm doing what I can.

[Espeonage]

I like this guy.

Also I much prefer Espe as a shortening of my username. And yeah I'm terrible at this game. But I still soldier on.

[Espeonage]

Unquarantine, Quarantine: Sword

[Espeonage]

Sorry I've been inactive.

Espeonage, tell me why you REALLY moved your quarantine. There better be a better reason than trying to reaction fish on me.

Because I don't want him to be NKed.

[Espeonage]

NabNab: ♥. Townie, after 1 post.

This scares the shit out of me because it's not true. He even said he started crafting his post before he got his role. This is a stupid sentiment and should be stamped out until he's posted a decent amount.

[Espeonage]

iso 0 second line.

Basically it means that most of that content will be based entirely on assuming you are town, therefore that post can't be used to point him as either town or scum, so basically it should be acknowledged but not analyzed.

[Espeonage]

To clarify: I read the thread before my substitution was confirmed, but I did not start writing my first post until afterwards.

@Shotgun: Some play draws votes because it's disappointing, unusual, or frustrating. Your play drew my vote because it's indistinguishable from good scum play.

Still counts. As someone that used to do a fair bit of replacing. Taking your reads from before getting your role is much better than any other way of approach.

[Espeonage]

I lol'd

[Espeonage]

-Espe claims VT on page 1 or 2.
As a goon doing it, it kind of gives an excuse to not be the NK.
As town doing it, it makes it easier to kill PRs, which is anti-town. First game with Espe but he seems to smart to be anti-town like that.

Plus he is being a magician with his reads.

Is that last line sarcasm, a theory that is waiting to be tested or actually what you think?

[Espeonage]

I'll have you know I am Head od Slytherin at my University and the best Chaser for the uni's Quidditch team. Sadly our team sucks, currently none of us are going to the Olympics for the exhibition matches. :sadface:

[Espeonage]

>.>

Espe's sense of humor...

That was all the truth.

[Espeonage]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher- ... 6393471905

[Espeonage]

@phil, this seems like a total 180 from my last game with you...Its almost like you're affraid to call anyone scummy...i remember when you thought you caught me in a slip...and you were like "in your face!!!
you seem overly cautious this game and its starting to worry me...

This post has been noted for later reference.

[Espeonage]

This isn't an issue for this point in the game. We need to get a lynch, move on to this day 2.

[Espeonage]

Also I'd very much like to use quarantine on sword. And just to reach a lynch. I don't want to lynch defender but I will change my vote if we need it come the end of the day. Just so everyone knows where I stand on everything.

[Espeonage]

I'm still for a defender lynch! and no one has argued against my case for an espe quarantine

There's no point to quarantine me UNLESS you want to potentially save me from a NK.

If I'm town, I'm a VT.
If I'm scum, there would be others that can kill instead of me unless there is a hidden mechanic which would be bastard and this game isn't advertised as bastard unless I missed it.
If you're going to make the scum PR argument then it's moot because the same goes for everyone in the game.

So lets do something useful and keep sword alive.

[Espeonage]

LMAO

Have you ever heard of compromise lynching. You may be smart but you're a tad naive. Mafia is a game of momentum, You can't just summon it up.

[Espeonage]

ebwop: That was at Nab

[Espeonage]

Phill, you're hilarious.

[Espeonage]

Well there goes my theory for not voting you.

Tempted to now.

[Espeonage]

Ok guille, your three questions.

1. Secret
2. What other people think.
3. Then he's alive tomorrow.

These were pretty dumb questions.

[Espeonage]

The point of the matter is time.

[Espeonage]

So what if they kill him the next night. We had him for an extra day. If someone is an asset to the town they should be kept around for as long as possible. The only time it would be ok to take a stab in the dark is if there had been a massclaim. That's not going to happen, nor should it. So we should be keeping people around.

[Espeonage]

You serious Trollie? Like honestly?

[Espeonage]

We have 1 day and 9 hours. Trollie pull your head of your ass and do something productive. Does it actually matter who we quarantine?

If none of us have any more to go on then why the fuck does it matter who the hell we quarantine. We aren't going to stop the scumkill so we may as well make sure that we have one of the sane people around for longer. Hell you don't even have to agree. If someone doesn't have issue with being quarantined then there is literally no drawback for us to do it. If they are town and they don't have an issue well then who cares. If they are scum they need to look like they have no issue with it to even stay alive. WE LITERALLY HAVE NO BAD CONSEQUENCES FROM EVEN USING IT RANDOMLY AT THIS STAGE. Even if you don't think sword is town, who in the actual fuck cares. Just quarantine the guy and keep someone that is actually engaging in discussion alive. Why him? Why not him, it doesn't fucking matter who, but for now he has support and most people seem to think he is town so we may as fucking well.

[Espeonage]

I'll vote defender once we have a quarantine.

[Espeonage]

Sword or me. Lend a hand?

[Espeonage]

defender is L-1 by my6 count. Which is why I'm not voting him yet.

[Espeonage]

Someone want to vote to quarantine me, other than myself? Then I'll double hammer.

[Espeonage]

Me first.

Unquarantine, Quarantine: Myself

Unvote, Vote: Defender

[Espeonage]

Vote: Nab

[Espeonage]

Nab, you are hilarious, IGMEOU.

Unvote

[Espeonage]

That's WIFOM Mala.

[Espeonage]

That's fine, just bear in mind that I'll be taking everything that is based on that premise with a grain of salt.

[Espeonage]

So I'm going to go ahead and say that at the moment I only have four town reads not including myself.

I will happily follow any Quarantine, because atm it's become clear everyone has a different stance on how it should be used. That said I am of the belief that it should be used, so I'll support making that happen.

As for lynches, any wagon on one of the people I'm unsure of will have my support. I however reserve the right to change my reads, naturally.

Btw, for future reference. CLAIM PROPERLY. I wouldn't have hammered the guy if he had claimed a power role like he was.

[Espeonage]

Am I the only one that kinda wants Psyche to wait until everyone has done their shit, lurk some more, then burst out with something awesome in about three irl days from now?

I really want that to happen, especially if he ends up voting one of two people because it will mean my thinking isn't as retarded as I think it is right now.

[Espeonage]

LOL shotgun, you so funny.

[Espeonage]

Shotgun isn't a sensible quarantine target.

Vote: Sword

I lied.

[Espeonage]

Unvote

Oh this is fun.

[Espeonage]

?

i lol'd

[Espeonage]

Vote: Image

You've convinced me Nab.

[Espeonage]

EBWOP: I should be clearer, you convinced me that you shouldn't be my biggest scumread and therefore I am willing to follow you around for a bit until you decide to cement yourself either way in my mind.

[Espeonage]

In addition, your Psyche vote is not doing anything.

[Espeonage]

I am suddenly worried by *how* good Nab is looking, but I can live with it for now. I'm not convinced on image.

Really? The only reason I'm not still voting him is because while he is far and away my biggest scum read, I wouldn't be able to get support.

Peeps need to get off Mala, he's town. Reminds me of alot of the people I used to play with back when I was spamming newbie games as an SE to make IC's lives hell.

[Espeonage]

You guys are retarded.

If he didn't respond to one he's not going to respond to another one.

[Espeonage]

Psyche, Guille, Sword. Voting bloc now.

[Espeonage]

Prod-dodge.
I'll get to something soon.

this

[Espeonage]

That is one of the worst votes ever.

[Espeonage]

Mala is so town it isn't funny.

This is a scum driven wagon. I'll analyse it later.

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Mala is so town it isn't funny.

This is a scum driven wagon. I'll analyse it later.

Explain your strong town read on Mala. and Scum driven, then who's scum?

He just is, he reeks of town. I dunno, I've done alot of mentoring in newbie games and he smells just like newbie town. I could be wrong, but I'm 93% sure that he is town.

As for the scum on the wagon, everyone that joined that wagon is fairly scummy. I have way too many scumreads, however that wagon has made me less sure about my nab and image reads. Speaking of which,

Unvote

Not going to place another vote just yet, but I will soon. If I had to pick out the three people I think are scum at the moment. It would be yourself, Trollie and Phill.

[Espeonage]

Vengeful is a lynching thing.

[Espeonage]

Intent to again, double hammer. Anyone object to the day ending a little early?

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This has been a REALLY bad claim.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: BK

[Espeonage]

Well no surprises there.

Can we lynch BK now?

[Espeonage]

imma kill someone.

I watched sword. No result.

I smell fish.

[Espeonage]

So you expected Sword to die last night?

Remind us why we have to Lynch BK.

Also, Trollie, what result did you get?

Well it makes sense, he has been the most likely town since day 1.

Because he's scum.

[Espeonage]

While it's highly likely that this isn't the case I find it hard to take this conversation seriously considering how high the possibility that I'm the only townie that has even said anything so far today.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Trollie

[Espeonage]

Because BK's claim of "vague power role that you don't want to lynch me stuff things" is more likely to be true than Trollie's. Personally I think both are scum/

[Espeonage]

Sorry, forgot to V/LA before I went to the Quidditch tournament. Home now, in pain and tired so don't expect much.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: BK

[Espeonage]

Espe, whats your read on Phill?

Current top pick as the third scum.

[Espeonage]

Well see you guys in lylo.

[Espeonage]

Hey guys, welcome to Lylo.

[Espeonage]

Iunno.

But nice testing the waters. UGH, I want to vote someone/anyone so bad right now.

[Espeonage]

All the rules go out the window in LyLo. Didn't you know that?

[Espeonage]

I still don't believe Trollie's claim in the slightest. But the fact that I won't get support for his lynch, even more so if he is scum means that I won't be able to bark up that tree until later.

[Espeonage]

UGH, WHICH OF YOU IS TRYING TO BUS?

[Espeonage]

No result is not a blocked action. At least not for a watcher. It just means nothing happened.

[Espeonage]

Vis, trollie and either image or sal, most likely image are the scum.

[Espeonage]

Ok Im almost sure sala is the scum RB for this post:

Ok, i know i said this for awhile now, but i promise i will try to finish my reads and post tonight.

And for the record, the quarintine vote is for who we believe to be the scum RB, correct?

This does not aquit Trollie.

I have to reread this game.

Nice reading out of context. If you paid attention when you read the thread you would know that the possibility of scum RBer was actually discussed on and off throughout the whole of the game. The quoted post is null, try again.

[Espeonage]

Your weak attack of no weight using a method that requires having extra lynches in hand, in LyLo has been noted.

[Espeonage]

So Vis, can I get one of your buddies to bus you or are you going to try and stay steadfast and make it easier to work out who else is actually town?

[Espeonage]

Buddying is a scum connotated term. People need to start learning their definitions.

[Espeonage]

I am so sure you are scum.

Vote: Vis

This day is over, we can work out which ones are the buddies later.

[Espeonage]

Quarantine: Myself

Sorry if this comes across as bigheaded. But I think it's a good idea. BK's role, if it is true is not one that he should be using at all in a situation like this as the risk of him dying is way too high.

[Espeonage]

HOw impatient. Not giving time to reread, eh?

Well peeps do still have time to reread. I have to wait for your teammates to bus you or for town to be smart. Somehow I think your scummates are going to be stubborn.

[Espeonage]

Mmk.

[Espeonage]

Bring me hell then. I ain't moving it.

Also, seeing as everyone has posted. Two things are now the posibilities. Me and Vis are either both scum, Or one of us is scum, otherwise, if we were both town, one of us would have been quicklynched.

[Espeonage]

So basically, now I KNOW my vote is on scum.

[Espeonage]

BK Unvote, Trollie may e scum, BUT the probability lies with either me or Vis and at the moment we are in a safe position. UNVOTE NOW.

[Espeonage]

I think vis is town, but I'll unvote for now...
UNVOTE:

If you think Vis is town then you think I am scum. I just showed why at least one of us is scum.

[Espeonage]

BK, stop. The only way your logic about time delay works is if Mala is scum. Everyone else is currently active. So stop trying.

[Espeonage]

NOW

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Sala that post made no sense lol.

Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if at the moment there is a kingmaker neutral surivor in the game.

[Espeonage]

Btw guys. If scum don't organise a quicklynch then it means that not only is one of myself and vis scum, but also one of BK and Trollie is scum.

If BK is scum I really need to thank him for making this game easier for us. If he is town then he's just stupid for taking the risk this early instead of tomorrow.

[Espeonage]

Actually not true. That only applies if only one of me and Vis are scum. If we both were then it wouldn't apply.

[Espeonage]

Ok so Vis and Trollie are both scum, cool.

[Espeonage]

Well one of you and BK is scum.

[Espeonage]

WHY DOES SCUM HAVE TO HAVE A ROLEBLOCKER??????????

WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT EITHER TROLLIE IS LYING OR TROLLIE

wait
shit
omg

Trollie is town.

fuck.

Hmmm.

Mala why did you have to screw up my scum quicklynch reasoning? BK is about 70% chance of being scum.
Trollie is town.

Vis needs rope today.

[Espeonage]

Ok gimme some time. Trollie's lack of results now take on a whole new meaning.

[Espeonage]

Wait, no that's wrong, there might still be a roleblocker. Ok, I need to think.

[Espeonage]

So if BK is 70% scum

Vis is >70% scum?

No, Vis's correlation is with me, not BK.

[Espeonage]

UGH, I'm trying too hard to break this game.

[Espeonage]

It was based on something I missed. Which I have since found again, so I'm still undecided on them. I'm just really trying to break the game, atm.

[Espeonage]

Unquarantine

[Espeonage]

OK. Everyone's time argument is invalid. Every single combination of three people has had the opportunity to get the lynch happening. At least one of Vis and Myself is scum. We can work out if the people voting trollie or trollie are scum tomorrow.

Everyone make a decision on the vis/me thing and lets just stop this terrible excuse for a day.

[Espeonage]

I will say that the quoted bit I did suspect scum might have some hidden stuff they might be able to do in quarantine or there migth be a cop that returned only innocent if the person had al;ready been in quarantine.

I KNEW WE SHOULD HAVE LYNCHED IMAGE. I swear there was a point where I wanted image and nabnab dead.

[Espeonage]

Hooray!

Good game everyone!

Espeonage, I almost convinced myself you were a neutral survivor on the last day there; it did seem to explain your D1 play. Although I guess you were trying to do that to make us careless.

Figured I'd try everything. I really wanted to break the game.