Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[RedPanda]

I refuse to answer your scum questions the acting method.

vote Acting method.

Also I'm claiming vanilla town.

Lets all vote for acting method and then talk about my amazing role.

[RedPanda]

ALSO RVS is over.
dont start it all over again.

[RedPanda]

- Could you explain to me how The Acting Method's two questions could possibly help or aid the scum in ANY way?

Can you explain to me how The acting method's two questions could possibly hep or aid the town in ANY way?

- Claiming already? Can you explain what is the your motivation behind your claim and why you did it?

I'm out for blood baby

- Why are you trying to shut down RVS, the stage where we try to start discussion and get reactions going?

lol. thats the only response I have for this question.

[RedPanda]

Okay Panda, Explain how my questions are scummy.

Are you one of those people who thinks that RVS/RQS is scummy?

nope.

I'm one of those people who likes to policy lynch people who ask useless questions

[RedPanda]

Why are you trying to shut down RVS, the stage where we try to start discussion and get reactions going?

Why are you being obtuse?

- What... what do you mean? Are you saying i am dumb?

since you don't understand him.

you're probably worse than that.

[RedPanda]

- Could you explain to me how The Acting Method's two questions could possibly help or aid the scum in ANY way?

Can you explain to me how The acting method's two questions could possibly hep or aid the town in ANY way?

- So you dodge my questions with a question of your own? If you can't say it helps scum then it either is a null or town tell, no?

if it can't help either side, then its pretty much useless not helpful isn't it?

Why post something useless and unhelpful in a game?

[RedPanda]

if it can't help either side, then its pretty much useless not helpful isn't it?

Why post something useless and unhelpful in a game?

- How does this make TAM scummy? You're kind of clearly policy lynching now rather than scum lynching.

I'm sorry.

2 pages into the game and you want me to give you reasons more than that?

if he becomes useful. I'm going to take my vote from him.

If he doesn't then its blood.

[RedPanda]

And he has more than enough content now to start being useful

[RedPanda]

RedPanda is Town.
Venmar is probably Town.

comeon get dirty with us shotgun.

[RedPanda]

I only drive policy lynches on lurkers/inactives if there are one or two scenarios. The main one is:. They are posting elsewhere and ACTIVELY ignoring the game. If you aren't posting in any of the games you are in, that's one thing... If you are posting in All of your games save one, and you are not dead in that game that's scummy. Or at least anti town.

So you are policy lynching me, for asking two questions because I like an active game because it's easier to catch scum that way? And could you at least answer the first one? At least it gives a time frame of when to expect an answer from you if you have a question asked at you.

If somebody posts in other games and doesn't post here. people are going to notice and call them out for it.

your questions are pointless and unnecessary.

I post when I post.

And yeah you're still not being useful.

stop defending yourself.
Start catching scum

[RedPanda]

Can I claim too?

Of course you can.

If someone tries to stop you

I will make that person cry

[RedPanda]

Okay RedPanda, explain this. Besides me, only 4 people have posted anything. Yet you expect me to start scumhunting this early?

good you're a smart cookie.

unvote

But why do you think shotgun venmar and bork are town?

@RedPanda: Why the early claim for no reason? If you are telling the truth all you are doing is narrowing down who the Masons are so the scum can kill. And if you are lying... See above.

you answered your own question.

[RedPanda]

I claim Vanilla Townie
VOTE: TAM

once we catch those 5 other VT's

this games going to be as easy as eating cake.

Let the townhunting begin.

[RedPanda]

TAM, I like that you're trying to establish accountability. I don't like that you see lurking in deviation of their answer to your question as a scumtell. People ignore games for tons of reasons. Do you plan to drive policy lynches when this happens?

RedPanda, re: your claim

What the hell?

Why are you trying to shut down RVS, the stage where we try to start discussion and get reactions going?

Why are you being obtuse?

Why are you so town bork?

[RedPanda]

:3
Yay I'm also a VT here
*Hi-fives RP*

I'm laughing uncontrollably here.

for a second it was like your avatar talking to me in a old man potato voice in my head.

*Hi-fives* back

[RedPanda]

hehe

this is fun.

Let the drama skyrocket.

I will be back later to clean up the mess and catch scum.

[RedPanda]

you answered your question - Scum don't know if I'm lying or telling the truth.

trying to push me to reveal whether I'm telling the truth or lying is what is scummy and antitown.

[RedPanda]

And explain how I'm trying to push you? I'm pushing at your motivation. I don't see how it helps town. Weren't you just complaining about moves that don't help Town?

I'm not saying you are pushing me to reveal it.

I'm just saying pushing me to reveal it is wrong.


It helped me. Maybe you don't understand it.

but I know What I'm doing.

[RedPanda]

RP, vote Gunny and I will switch. Otherwise, vote bork if you aren't already.

actually I have early town reads on the both of them based on certain things.

[RedPanda]

I'll tell you after everybody joins in the discussion.

[RedPanda]

shotgun is confirmed town. I'm 100% sure of this. its because of something hes done in this thread. I don't want to elaborate on this. I'll play this card when the time is right.

I guess what I'm saying is we should probably start focusing on other players who haven't posted that much yet. I can see the you v DrMy argument dominating day 1 and could allow scum to lurk and watch the town burn. That would be bad. I quickly iso'd people and there are probably what, at least 4 slots who haven't posted yet. Let's try and get them involved :3.

Also this.

I mean I liked the om vs shotgun fight.

But stop trying to make it all about the both of you today.

[RedPanda]

hotgun is confirmed town. I'm 100% sure of this. its because of something hes done in this thread. I don't want to elaborate on this. I'll play this card when the time is right.

okay this sounds stupid.

shotgun is TOWN. I'm pretty sure about this.

Its because of something hes done in this thread.

The first person to tell me what it is gets a prize.

[RedPanda]

One thing I did notice, however small, is a potential slip of the tongue by Venmar:

"- There are probably a couple instances in games that i have ongoing, but if you want you can read Open 399, that is my latest completed game. Luckily for you i also played as scum there, so feel free to get some kind of a scum meta, but that was my first time playing as scum so i doubt it is as reliable."


Also? I don't think it really fits in the rest of the sentence, and could be a slip of the tongue pertaining to this game. I would like others views on this however, perhaps I am just putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong words when reading that, but it stuck out to me.

good work

Vote Venmar

[RedPanda]

its definitely not that.

no no soben.

We must make venmar's life miserable for that.

[RedPanda]

One thing I did notice, however small, is a potential slip of the tongue by Venmar:

"- There are probably a couple instances in games that i have ongoing, but if you want you can read Open 399, that is my latest completed game. Luckily for you

i also played as scum there

, so feel free to get some kind of a scum meta, but that was my first time playing as scum so i doubt it is as reliable."


Also? I don't think it really fits in the rest of the sentence, and could be a slip of the tongue pertaining to this game. I would like others views on this however, perhaps I am just putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong words when reading that, but it stuck out to me.

- Interesting point. I admit it phrased that kind of weirdly, but when writing that, i was thinking in the sense of ( thinking in my mind. ) -"

also, to add

"- I am not sure if that makes sense, but regarding that post i felt like the need to add on the fact that i played as scum in that game would help clear some things up, and make the read more interesting since someone could get a feel for how i play as scum. Basically, i was adding on a point to the main part of the post, and way i worded it is how i presented that. Does that make sense..?

Okay lets look at it from our POV.
it looks like a scumslip.
But yeah I'm willing to reconsider.
If you stop giving excuses for that slip
and start catching scum.
or atleast being useful to the game.

[RedPanda]

I will not stop pushing him until you can explain this and I deem it right.

I'm not expecting you to stop.

Keep going on.

But I want something extra.

some scumhunting on other players.

because what I have is pretty convincing.

[RedPanda]

RP, are you willing to do a bork lynch?

I'm not ready for anything yet.

not until absta and chrimi start interacting with us.

[RedPanda]

Lol there's another guy mcrawford, who hasn't even posted yet

[RedPanda]

I just tried to read all of that... So much fluff it's killing me.

Alright, Alright, I'll try harder >.>

Before I do...

drmyshotgun, it's too bad we lost that last game as scum together, I'm sorry I messed that up for us :/

Anyways, I'll probably read when my head isn't falling off my body...

Listen you're stalling the game.

Why do you join games if you can't play it?

[RedPanda]

Potak I thought you was Om of the mother*...?
I'm literally skipping your posts with the bold edits.

Hey I'll tell you what.

You don't have to comment after reading everything.

Keep commenting as you read.

[RedPanda]

. look at it this way - do you ACTUALLY think scum would go and say "I was scum in this other game like I am now."?

that's why its called a slip.

Also

Andrew

- In your next post I want you to point out what makes you think Shotgun is 100% town and explain it in some detail.

Actually I'd like to know this also because most people don't have an eye out for the stuff I'm talking about.

[RedPanda]

For now:
VOTE: Absta's replacement
Literally every comment from him has just been cantankerousness about hydras and formatting. I see scum more likely to 'take his ball and go home' like that than town.

I totally agree.

I think both venmar and absta are scum replacing out.

But based on the way they replaced out I think Absta is more likely to be scum

Unvote vote Absta's replacement

[RedPanda]

Also mod I'm going to V/LA from thursday to saturday. I'll probably be back by saturday

[RedPanda]

Okay I'm going to go first.

Because I'm going to be V/LA from tomorrow.

I had an early town read on shotgun based on his reaction to my VT claim.

Most of the case on shotgun is because people think his case sucks.

But case sucky does not equal scum.

What made me confident in my town read on him was this

[RedPanda]

Probably because he's so sure of my guilt? I dunno.
*shrug*

VOTE: drmyshotgun
Bye bye.

UNVOTE:
Lol jokes.
This might get me blacklisted.

VOTE: Potack

Why Potack is scum:
Following the trend with claiming VT without commenting anything about it is scummy because it shows you are just doing what others are doing.
You did it without hesitating in your first post that means you rushed into this.
Town would have given second thoughts about this or at least asked around.
THere were only handful of players at that time.

Giving out alignments like free candies (which you didn't deny to btw) is scummy because it misdirects people.
It can tell a person: Whoa, this guy is goood. What this guy says must be true!!
This might not be the case for most of us but it is sort of faking your confidence and expertise of the game.
With virtually not much to get reads from you saying this and that with that much sureness can only mean that you are Scum already in full knowledge of one's alignment.

You say Soben is Town in your post #101.
This is actually being a hypocrite when you look at the post #106 you made.
I tried explaining things with what I have yet you try to tackle every single one of my reads?
Almost all of them pretty much ends with: "Why is this that?"-esque questions.
They look rhetoric, so I won't answer any of them.

AcRv actually does nothing to undo Potack's scumminess.
Looks like he's just keeping his vote on me because changing it would hurt them.
I certainly don't feel his: "comfort" from Potack's previous posts.
His posts sounds like assuring that what Om has done is alright for him. When it actually isn't.

Potack (Om mostly) and I can't be Town together in this game. Therefore either one of us is Scum. I am Town, ergo Om is Scum.
Well, I can't guarantee that he's scum, but right now I want one of us dead.
I'll yield if I have to, should the Town decide on me, since I'm in 11 games right now.

notice timestamps between every post.

His case came straight from the heart.

[RedPanda]

When I play as scum I make myself feel and believe what I am saying, and I get actual scumvibes like I do when town. I don't believe that scum players don't also 'speak from the heart' as well.

So you agree That it came straight from the heart and that he believes in it.

So why does that make him not town?

[RedPanda]

RP, I see your point but don't find it to be that strong a town-tell since most of it just likely based around having an ISO in a separate tab and creating a case is easily done as scum in 15ish minutes. Also most of the case on him has less to do with his case and more to do with his lack of scumhunting and empty reads.

I agree which is why I backed out of my confirmed town read.

But its still pretty convincing to me.

[RedPanda]

When I play as scum I make myself feel and believe what I am saying, and I get actual scumvibes like I do when town. I don't believe that scum players don't also 'speak from the heart' as well.

So you agree That it came straight from the heart and that he believes in it.

So why does that make him not town?

The fact that he posted it quickly just doesn't really change my read on him. Are you telling me that, as scum, you've never done a mad rant, typed it out quickly, hit send and never looked back?

It was pretty detailed for a mad rant.

[RedPanda]

When I play as scum I make myself feel and believe what I am saying, and I get actual scumvibes like I do when town. I don't believe that scum players don't also 'speak from the heart' as well.

So you agree That it came straight from the heart and that he believes in it.

So why does that make him not town?

The fact that he posted it quickly just doesn't really change my read on him. Are you telling me that, as scum, you've never done a mad rant, typed it out quickly, hit send and never looked back?

It was pretty detailed for a mad rant.

I think fifteen minutes is plenty of time. In fifteen minutes I am sure any experienced player could pull off a post like that as scum.

An experienced player would make a better case than that.

[RedPanda]

I'm BACK

[RedPanda]

To sum up.

Scummy - Techno, RainbowDash - purely due to Venmar, VisceraEyes - purely due to Absta,

you're awesome bro.


This guy's town.

I'm betting on it.

Meta means everything to me Code... There are more individual scum and towntells than there are universal ones. You know how I play as scum. You've played through two scumgames with me and watched how I try to avoid the noose. You should know better that I wouldn't do this as scum, which leads me to a very disturbing conclusion... You are likely scum.

"Why just these two, meh?"

Misrep. I have loads of towntells.


Your entire suspicion on me seems to be revolving around my townread on Venmar. How does that make me scum? Is Venmar scum? Or is Venmar scum simply because I am defending him? You want to potentially lynch me based on a hunch that I am protecting scum-buddy Venmar? No flip, and you are already calling out the scumteams.

My '239' is me being overly gutted. Venmar is probably my favourite person to play with on mafiascum, and I was looking forward to him being in the game. Again, this could ONLY be construed as scummy if Venmar is scum. Where's the logic? Where's the logical, calculated, 'non-smeary based on one possible tell' Code gone?

I'm guessing out the window with his lack of town role PM.

Vote: Code_X

pressure vote for now. I would still rather a drmy lynch at this stage (must be your scumbuddy since you stuck up for him, oh my!/sarcasm), but I await your post-ISO post with eager anticipation.

Bad post bro.

[RedPanda]

And Soben. I don't believe that Shotgun and Andrew are Masons Together. Yes there is a reason to this. But I'm 90% sure they are not Masons TOGETHER.

no I'm pretty sure they are.

or the real masons are doing a bad job

[RedPanda]

Also the reason I went before andrew was because I already got a mason vibe from him.

[RedPanda]

Srs though, is there any way that slot is town? I went through Venmar AND Rd's ISOs and I honestly can't imagine those posts in that context coming from a town-aligned player. Help me out here, because the pony is fighting it and I'm prone to buyer's remorse, so I want to be sure.

Im town because my role is VT.

Really though, how does it at ALL help me to enter a game replacing somepony who replaced out in a shitty sitaution and then immediately turn around and start attacking everypony who is regarded as town? Easiest play in the world as scum is to just pick up one of the wagons that has some backing to it, and either ride it to a mislynch or bus, claim mason if needed even with a random townie to get good reactions for who could be a real mason.

How does ANYTHING I have done help me as scum? It just gets me killed faster.

Also thats a yes you are going to look at RP again after I flip? I just dont want this to be another one of those situations where I die and then my scum read gets away because everypony doesnt look back at stuff.

But yeah I agree with this.

people who flip town. Their reads are sacred.

I'm town. Its easy for me to prove I'm town by catching scum.

[RedPanda]

I'm already looking at RP - he was crying about people scumhunting earlier and then policy voted my slot. I think he might be scum. But that doesn't change the fact that I think you're scum either. It's nothing personal, I just think you're playing for a different team than me. *shrug*

I'm sorry.

It wasn't a policy vote.

I still think your slot replaced out because hes scum because he was pressured into being useful.

[RedPanda]

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

[RedPanda]

If you're really mason, then tonight the scum will kill one of you, which confirms the other. If one of you don't die tonight, then you're most likely scum, or the mafia let a mason survive (helping the town out in the long run as I can't see you getting lynched if both other masons are alive). Either way, the town is in a stronger position.

bad logic.

They're confirmed masons.

if they're scum claiming masons.

then the real masons are just retards for not counterclaiming them

[RedPanda]

I mean Chirmi has jumped on Andrew/Shotgun/McStab but hasn't stated a single mention or read of Venmar/Rainbow and neither of Rainbow/Venmar stated a read or anything about Chrimi in fact Rainbow has thrown him at the end of his 'want to lynch' pool with no reasoning attached to it whatsoever. The connection between those and TAM work perfectly as a scum-team plus individually they're all incredibly scummy.

The lynch should be in one of them 3 today, not McStab or Tech or any stupid other wagon.

Soben's town after this.

I was being paranoid before.

Felt people were buddying too much to me.

But yeah this seals it.

[RedPanda]

Not just that though; your read on RP hasn't even been explained but you're insisting on it being sheeped, you state a scum-read on me or consideration that I'm scum (Which I'm pretty sure is impossible to come from you as town given how obvious/apparent my town vs scum meta is) while at the same time appealing to me and you've got Code_X thrown into the 'lynch later' pile when his entrance post comes across as incredibly obvtown - not just that though you have a 'null' read on Chrimi when his voting pattern is incredibly opportunistic.

its rainbowdash playing the paranoid card.

Unvote vote rainbowdash

or chrimi I can go either way.

[RedPanda]

I'm already looking at RP - he was crying about people scumhunting earlier and then policy voted my slot. I think he might be scum. But that doesn't change the fact that I think you're scum either. It's nothing personal, I just think you're playing for a different team than me. *shrug*

I'm sorry.

It wasn't a policy vote.

I still think your slot replaced out because hes scum because he was pressured into being useful.

Well that's just like...your opinion man.

Want to comment on my slot's contribution now instead of giving your outdated opinion again?

Yeah it is my opinion and that was my reason for the vote.


your rainbowdash push is good

But Can you tell me what this is all about.

Wait wait, there are 3 masons according to the OP who operate as a team is what it looks like to me.

We really need some clarity from the Mason claims.

Fuck this, it's mason claim time imo.

We have 2 mason claims (shotgun, Andrew) when there should be 3 masons. Only the third mason knows if the first two are telling the truth, so I think the third mason shoud claim.

TAM seems to be soft-claiming third mason, but I'm tired of this shit. We need hard claims to sort out this mess. Anyone opposed?

I can't imagine the third is like, a recruiting mason or anything (too powerful imo, ymmv) so I can't think of a good reason why the third isn't confirming claims so we can get down to the business of lynching scums.

Hey if we have a mason death N1 and N2, killing the third mason's partners, then what is the advantage of not having a mason death N3? At that point the third mason is just another VT right? Unless there's some sort of recruiting mechanic?

I honestly don't see a downside at this point, and it would clear up a LOT of junk.

Are you pretending to be a newb?

[RedPanda]

Vote chrimi

[RedPanda]

Potato why you so oblivious to Chrimi?

I doubt McStab is scum based on 144

[RedPanda]

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

[RedPanda]

I've already made mention that I will only vote Chrimi as a sort of policy lynch based on him having not really done anything. I haven't seen anything scummy enough from him to convince me to vote him anyway.

Make a case and maybe I'll be swayed.

I don't need your vote to get him lynched.

[RedPanda]

hi omnom

I'm looking at you.

[RedPanda]

Vote Potack

Everyone just sheep me.

[RedPanda]

And what happened to your scum read on shotgun om?

[RedPanda]

My main request today though, is that

I don't want to be lynched until AcRv actually gets a chance to post.

Maybe he could knock some sense into you guys.

PEDIT: Yes you do. You have played with me enough to not be making mistakes like these. You know my meta better than anyone else here.

you're expecting him to save your slot today?

That's not happening.

You're getting lynched today.

Lets look at it from my POV om.

You say you're a great player.
most of these players are average.
And most of these are players you've played with.
And yet your reads seem to be terrible.
There's something wrong with the picture.

[RedPanda]

You know I would never put anywhere near as much effort into attacking my scumreads as I have done this game if I were scum.

Thank you.

This helps me a lot.

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

[RedPanda]

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

and yes and that little bit just changed your obvtown read on me.

good bye om.

[RedPanda]

wait did you just compare me to mcqueen.

I'm insulted om.

[RedPanda]

Gunny can confirm that this happened too. In case you guys can't be bothered reading.

PEDIT: So wait, I'm not allowed to change my mind?

Sure you're allowed to.

looks like a OMGUS though.

[RedPanda]

Wouldn't I be trying to fake consistency if I were scum?

PEDIT: Ha.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

You know I would never put anywhere near as much effort into attacking my scumreads as I have done this game if I were scum.

Thank you.

This helps me a lot.

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

OHHH

lynch this with fire.

where are my sheep.

[RedPanda]

And I've already replied to it.

[RedPanda]

Wouldn't I be trying to fake consistency if I were scum?

PEDIT: Ha.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

You know I would never put anywhere near as much effort into attacking my scumreads as I have done this game if I were scum.

Thank you.

This helps me a lot.

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

OHHH

lynch this with fire.

where are my sheep.

open your eyes om.

[RedPanda]

If this town is stupid enough to lynch me, then you must all superduperfuckingturbo-lynch RP.

PEDIT:

I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT I WOULD DO AS SCUM, I'M ASKING IF THAT WOULD BE WHAT SCUM WOULD LOGICALLY DO.

Don't keep telling me what scum would logically do.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

there better?

[RedPanda]

Wouldn't I be trying to fake consistency if I were scum?

PEDIT: Ha.

I don't know.

Man.

The question seems simple to understand.

"If I were scum" noted.

[RedPanda]

I'm already looking at RP - he was crying about people scumhunting earlier and then policy voted my slot. I think he might be scum. But that doesn't change the fact that I think you're scum either. It's nothing personal, I just think you're playing for a different team than me. *shrug*

I'm sorry.

It wasn't a policy vote.

I still think your slot replaced out because hes scum because he was pressured into being useful.

Well that's just like...your opinion man.

Want to comment on my slot's contribution now instead of giving your outdated opinion again?

Yeah it is my opinion and that was my reason for the vote.


your rainbowdash push is good

But Can you tell me what this is all about.

Wait wait, there are 3 masons according to the OP who operate as a team is what it looks like to me.

We really need some clarity from the Mason claims.

Fuck this, it's mason claim time imo.

We have 2 mason claims (shotgun, Andrew) when there should be 3 masons. Only the third mason knows if the first two are telling the truth, so I think the third mason shoud claim.

TAM seems to be soft-claiming third mason, but I'm tired of this shit. We need hard claims to sort out this mess. Anyone opposed?

I can't imagine the third is like, a recruiting mason or anything (too powerful imo, ymmv) so I can't think of a good reason why the third isn't confirming claims so we can get down to the business of lynching scums.

Hey if we have a mason death N1 and N2, killing the third mason's partners, then what is the advantage of not having a mason death N3? At that point the third mason is just another VT right? Unless there's some sort of recruiting mechanic?

I honestly don't see a downside at this point, and it would clear up a LOT of junk.

Are you pretending to be a newb?

VE, I have a town read on you based on something.

But I'm curious about this.

And it looks like you ignored it.

[RedPanda]

THAT ISN'T EVEN A REAL ANSWER.
YOU'RE USING "I don't know" AS AN EXCUSE NOT TO ELABORATE, AND ALSO SO YOU CAN CONTINUE USING IT TO JUMP ON ME.

PEDIT: Gunny voting me is a big mistake. He should know very well I'm town.

It is a real answer.

You're behaving like scum.

Two scum got lynched using the exact same argument.

[RedPanda]

I'm not pretending to be a newb. I'll own whatever newbie mistakes you perceive me to be making. What is the meaning of this?

Its an open setup.

And you want masons to help you with understanding their role? and you were talking about recruiting masons?

[RedPanda]

If we lynch RP, and for some magical reason he flips town. I will let you guys turbolynch me so hard I can't even say "fuck".

PEDIT: YOU TWO, VOTE RP.

PEDIT AGAIN: NO, IT IS NOT A REAL ANSWER. DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING HIDE BEHIND A WALL OF WAFFLES. YOU AND ME, 1V1 THIS WILL FUCKING END RIGHT HERE.
I HAVE YET TO SEE YOU PRODUCE A CASE ON ME.
I HAVE YET TO SEE YOU GIVE A VALID REASON FOR VOTING ME.
I HAVE YET TO SEE YOU EVEN TRY TO REFUTE MY REASON FOR YOU BEING SCUM.

hahaha.

lets lynch you and for some magical reason you flip town.

I will reread and catch the next scum tomorrow.

that reason is so fucking stupid.

You're comparing me to mcqueen.
You're using something to 180 uturn a obv town read you had on me and conveniently when I'm calling for your lynch.
And plus Rainbowdash wouldn't have gotten lynched If it weren't for me.
And its so fucking easy for me to convince people to vote my way.

[RedPanda]

GUYS, IT'S ME OR RP TODAY. YOU EITHER LYNCH ME, WHO HAS ACTUALLY TRIED TO FIND SCUM

and failed

OR YOU LYNCH RP WHO LITERALLY JUST COOKED UP A BULLSHIT CASE ON ME BECAUSE THERE IS HIGH CHANCE OF ME GETTING LYNCHED TODAY.

or RP who has gotten two scum lynched.

calling for your own lynch is good.

om

[RedPanda]

Ugh...you're really making me want to vote for you RP.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21569

Read the game,

Saulres claimed scum in the game.

And I convinced everyone to not lynch him.

That's how easy it is for me.

[RedPanda]

You're only one vote and you didn't do any of the heavy lifting on Chrimi OR Rainbowdash RP. Soben did, on both counts, and that's why Rd wanted him dead.

The fact that you're in here touting your own deeds in this game REALLY stinks to me RP. Really bad.

you clearly aren't reading.

I did as much as soben, probably more.

[RedPanda]

He as scum would want that so much. He knows people have slowly been changing their read on me from town to scum, so he's using this as the perfect chance to pull off a mislynch on me.

PEDIT: If it's so easy for me to get lynched because of you, then why the fuck am I 1v1'ing you?

YOU BEING PART OF A SCUM LYNCH DOES NOT CLEAR YOU IN ANYWAY. YOU'RE USING INSIDE KNOWLEDGE TO PRETEND TO FIND THE SCUM AND THEN USING THE SCUM LYNCHES YOU WERE ON AS A WAY TO PARADE AROUND AND BE "OBVTOWNY".

PEDIT: DO IT VE. FUCKING VOTE FOR RP.

Pedit: What does me failing have to do with ANYTHING?

YOU'RE USING ME BEING WRONG AS YOUR MAIN REASON TO GET A LYNCH ON ME. EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES, SO WHY DOES MINE MAKE ME SCUM?

but I was already obv townie to you om and a lot of people.

[RedPanda]

I'm getting a town reading a bit from Potack's behavior right now...

In the newb game where I replaced in (the game got lost) He replaced out after a big argument with another player...

I seem to recall his slot being town that game... What I can't remember is was he the one who rage replaced out and pmed the slot I replaced into causing the replacement, or was he the one who got sick of it and just left some time later.

Gosh Darn it.


VOTE: Red Panda

I'm sick and tired of this and I had a scum read on him at first... I allowed him to lurk into the shadows. Now he's back in the spotlight and he's going down.

Red, I don't recall you doing Zilch. What I recall was you buddying Soben and agreeing with him.

Potack, you're losing your cool like you did on that one newb game where you replaced out after awhile.

oh damn.

Meta arguments are shit.

stop using it.

And just sheep me on somebody who is obv scum.

[RedPanda]

I'm sick and tired of this and I had a scum read on him at first... I allowed him to lurk into the shadows. Now he's back in the spotlight and he's going down.

Red, I don't recall you doing Zilch. What I recall was you buddying Soben and agreeing with him.

Lurk?

There was no lurking in this game.

And dude.

Seriously you need to reread the game.

atleast my posts.

[RedPanda]

WHAT DOES YOU BEING READ AS OBVTOWNIE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

READS. CHANGE.

exactly.

180 degree change.

because somebody is calling you scum.

[RedPanda]

WHY AM I OBVSCUM? I AM PROVIDING LOGICAL ARGUMENTS WHICH YOU ONLY SEEM TO WANT TO DISCREDIT BY NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO REFUTE THEM AND INSTEAD JUST CONTINUE TO BASELESSLY CALL ME OBVSCUM.

Actingmethod - mason.

mcstab - caught the venmar slip.

andrew - mason.

code x - solid town read

arugula - rainbowdash refused to bus chrimi. I doubt he bussed arugula.

shotgun - another solid town read.

VE - Rainbowdash in his first post called the wagon on VE shitty. That to me sounds like scum calling a town wagon shitty.


and who is left.

yeah thats you om.

townhunting works.

[RedPanda]

McStab is scum. Soben is scum (because he kept agreeing with me way too much early game, like he was trying to get on my good side). Techno is also scum.

I actually didn't agree with much of your play or reads earlier in the game and agree with almost none of them right now.

I don't like Soben's insistence on VE being town and defending everything he says and does. VE can defend himself.

This game is won through shared town-reads on VT players, insistence and drumming in the point that players like VE are town is what's going to lead this towards a relatively easy town win and sure he can defend himself but Andrews not going to listen to him.

Can we lynch Rainbow first?

Didn't think there was the support for it earlier but considering that a bunch of players (RedPanda, McStab ect.) seem to agree with it then yes, we can.

Unvote, Vote: RBD

[RedPanda]

READING YOUR POSTS WILL DO LITERALLY NOTHING.
YOU HAVE DONE JACK-SHIT THIS GAME, AND HAVE COASTED THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH.
THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO YOUR NAME IS BEING ON BOTH THE SCUM LYNCHES, BUT EVEN THEN THAT ISN'T INCREDIBLE.

PEDIT: HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE DISCREDITING. HE ISN'T EVEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE REASONS I'M USING, AND INSTEAD HE JUST WRITES IT OFF AS OMGUS INSTEAD OF REFUTING ME.

its not discrediting if everythings true om.

[RedPanda]

UNVOTE:
Both of these players need to stop. This is morphing into Town-Town argument.
Om, please take a breath and let AcRv manage some of these stuff.

I think the real Scum, the final remaining one, would stay as low and quiet as possible right now.
S/he would only try to fuel this conversation.
I'm looking at VE.

no

don't om is scum.

I'm pretty sure of this.

get back on him.

[RedPanda]

this is om's playstyle.

don't just assume its town.

[RedPanda]

WHY AM I OBVSCUM? I AM PROVIDING LOGICAL ARGUMENTS WHICH YOU ONLY SEEM TO WANT TO DISCREDIT BY NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO REFUTE THEM AND INSTEAD JUST CONTINUE TO BASELESSLY CALL ME OBVSCUM.

Actingmethod - mason.

mcstab - caught the venmar slip.

andrew - mason.

code x - solid town read

arugula - rainbowdash refused to bus chrimi. I doubt he bussed arugula.

shotgun - another solid town read.

VE - Rainbowdash in his first post called the wagon on VE shitty. That to me sounds like scum calling a town wagon shitty.


and who is left.

yeah thats you om.

townhunting works.

what have you done to make you town this game om?

[RedPanda]

THIS IS MY TOWN PLAYSTYLE.
YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THIS TOO.
WE PLAYED TOGETHER BEFORE.

What shutup.


Nobody plays one way as town and one way as scum.

If they do, then theyre shitty players.

This is your playstyle.

End of story.

And you're scum in this game

[RedPanda]

WHY AM I OBVSCUM? I AM PROVIDING LOGICAL ARGUMENTS WHICH YOU ONLY SEEM TO WANT TO DISCREDIT BY NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO REFUTE THEM AND INSTEAD JUST CONTINUE TO BASELESSLY CALL ME OBVSCUM.

Actingmethod - mason.

mcstab - caught the venmar slip.

andrew - mason.

code x - solid town read

arugula - rainbowdash refused to bus chrimi. I doubt he bussed arugula.

shotgun - another solid town read.

VE - Rainbowdash in his first post called the wagon on VE shitty. That to me sounds like scum calling a town wagon shitty.


and who is left.

yeah thats you om.

townhunting works.

what have you done to make you town this game om?

is there anything in this you disagree with om?

[RedPanda]

Like, here's my take: I wasn't on EITHER scum lynches...but everyone seems to think I'm town. Why? Because I've been in here establishing my towniness. And in order to avoid mislynch every day I have to repeatedly establish my towniness every day by coming in here and trying to figure shit out, like the rest of town.

RedPanda established his innocence early on by scumhunting in the thread, and everyone seems to agree on this. However, he then parked his vote on a lurker who replaced out. Why? Because he "had a scumread on him because of how he replaced out".

My problem with that is that town and scum replace out for different reasons all the time. Replacing out is completely a null tell and he's using it as his reasoning for parking his vote on my slot most of D1. That does NOT seem like the same kind of play that I expect from the RedPanda that was playing at the beginning of the game. I expect more from that RedPanda.

Now he's using the fact that he was on 2 scum lynches as reasoning to why he's town. But here's the thing:

I wasn't on either scum lynch and I'm universally accepted as town.

There's a reason for that. I care about finding scum, and it shows in my posts. RP doesn't, and it shows in his posts. Listen to him, he doesn't want to try and convince anyone. "Just sheep me guys LOL"

RedPanda is scum. That's my opinion.

VOTE: RedPanda

I gave you a game link of mine.

Its seriously peanuts for me to dictate a lynch.

[RedPanda]

MY READS WERE WRONG.

SO. FUCKING. WHAT?

my READS were right.

So you get lynched today.

[RedPanda]

YOUR READS "WERE" RIGHT.
KEYWORD IS "WERE".

Yeah you haven't gotten lynched yet.

so I can't use "are" can I?

[RedPanda]

IT MEANS YOU READS WERE RIGHT BEFORE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW I'M NOT SCUM.

no I'm pretty convinced that you are.

[RedPanda]

THEN PROVIDE REASONS.
INSTEAD
OF
JUST
CALLING
ME
SCUM
AND
NOTHING
ELSE

I have.

Provided so many reasons.

I've listed all of my town reads.

[RedPanda]

I'M ONLY SCUM BY POE TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM AND YOU DIDN'T WANT TO INCLUDE YOURSELF.

you're scum by POE.

you're scum for staying out of two scum wagons.

You're scum for using the same arguments that both scum used,.

You're scum for OMGUSing me.

You're scum for ATEing.

[RedPanda]

If RP flips town due to magical fairy dust interfereing with the flips, then Code_X is scum. But I cannot be sure of that until RP gets lynched.

PEDIT: What is my scum motivation for all of those?

You think your playstyle will make everyone give you a pass.

[RedPanda]

Wouldn't I want to be on the scum wagons for towncred?
Wouldn't I want to use a different argument so I don't look like scum?
Wouldn't I not want to vote you to avoid OMGUS accusations?
Wouldn't I not AtE by fear of being called out?

BUT HEY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT DOING ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE I'M TOWN AND I JUST WANT TO FUCKING GET YOU LYNCHED.

Pedit: My playstyle is very distinct. JUST FUCKING READ MY META.

Pedit: Yes, feel free to lynch me all you want if RP flips town. It could potentially be a two for one deal if you buy from me.

Oh but I think you're capable and cheeky enough to do it.

you're like a little me, atleast when it comes to playstyle.

[RedPanda]

If RP flips town due to magical fairy dust interfereing with the flips, then Code_X is scum. But I cannot be sure of that until RP gets lynched.

PEDIT: What is my scum motivation for all of those?

Also this is absolute horseshit.


Seriously om.

I flip town and then you want to lynch my solid town read?

The only reason you're playing this shitty is because you're scuim

[RedPanda]

Pedit: Yes, feel free to lynch me all you want if RP flips town. It could potentially be a two for one deal if you buy from me.

om is caught scum trying to get you guys to not lynch him by attacking me and getting you guys to believe its a town vs town.


stop falling for this.

[RedPanda]

Red Panda, the last time I saw Om like this, I recall him being town.

I highly doubt this behavior would repeat if he was scum.

meta arguments are terrible.
Tell me why he's town based on this game.
You're confusing playstyle with alignment.

Also the last time you tried a push like this... I believe it was against me. TOWN.

show me.

[RedPanda]

do you not understand what a reaction test and a discussion starter is?

VT claim was a reaction test and helped start discussion.

it also helped me get town reads.

Voting for you for that was a reaction test and also a discussion starter.

I only drive policy lynches on lurkers/inactives if there are one or two scenarios. The main one is:. They are posting elsewhere and ACTIVELY ignoring the game. If you aren't posting in any of the games you are in, that's one thing... If you are posting in All of your games save one, and you are not dead in that game that's scummy. Or at least anti town.

So you are policy lynching me, for asking two questions because I like an active game because it's easier to catch scum that way? And could you at least answer the first one? At least it gives a time frame of when to expect an answer from you if you have a question asked at you.

If somebody posts in other games and doesn't post here. people are going to notice and call them out for it.

your questions are pointless and unnecessary.

I post when I post.

And yeah you're still not being useful.

stop defending yourself.
Start catching scum

Okay RedPanda, explain this. Besides me, only 4 people have posted anything. Yet you expect me to start scumhunting this early?

good you're a smart cookie.

unvote

But why do you think shotgun venmar and bork are town?

@RedPanda: Why the early claim for no reason? If you are telling the truth all you are doing is narrowing down who the Masons are so the scum can kill. And if you are lying... See above.

you answered your own question.

And as soon as I got a town reaction from you I backed off

I mean how hard is this to understand?

[RedPanda]

You're first 12 posts or so.

That's literally what this is feeling like.

Also I doubt you're going to change your mind.

So I'm going to start calling you names.

You're a terrible player.
Your reads this game are shit.
learn to play the game.

I've lynched two scum back to back.
The time to get paranoid about me is when I keep mislynching back to back.
When a player gets two scum lynched back to back, it should be time to sit back and take notes and sheep the player because clearly the player is better than you and is trying to get the last scum lynched.

[RedPanda]

Guys,
I know my reads have been shit this game,
So let me have some time to get them up to speed.

In other words, I am going to do a triple ISO with different people against Chrimi and RD.

Actually Why do you need time om?

we all knew the mason death was coming.

the nightkill flip was going to give us no information.

you had 3 days after chrimis death to reread and catch scum.

What did you do with it?

[RedPanda]

I've got many town games. you've got to look for it yourself.


Its not 100% town read on VE. the way the scum poked at his wagon seems to be like scum calling a town wagon shitty. I'm pretty sure you're scum and I want you lynched first.


And the POE doesn't leave me at all.

Om thought I was obv town till I started calling him scum.

And hes using one tell which mcqueen used from someother game. and apparently that tell is used by only scum.
And the tell is Only scum would call somebody scum for being shitty at catching scum.

This is ridiculous even for om.


VE Thinks I'm not scumhunting as much as I was at the start of the game. This is another ridiculous thing.

Start of day scumhunting check.
middle of day V/LA announced check.
end of day scumhunting which leads to scum lynched check.
day 2 another scum lynched check.
day 3 I'm the one leading a lynch on om check.

Explain to us VE.

TAM thinks I'm scum because he's an absolute moron. He thinks om is town because om played this way in another game. This is the most terrible Kind of play in the game.

you use meta to judge playstyle not alignment. Just another terrible player I don't have time for.


and this is why I'm town.

Not just that though; your read on RP hasn't even been explained but you're insisting on it being sheeped, you state a scum-read on me or consideration that I'm scum (Which I'm pretty sure is impossible to come from you as town given how obvious/apparent my town vs scum meta is) while at the same time appealing to me and you've got Code_X thrown into the 'lynch later' pile when his entrance post comes across as incredibly obvtown - not just that though you have a 'null' read on Chrimi when his voting pattern is incredibly opportunistic.

its rainbowdash playing the paranoid card.

Unvote vote rainbowdash

or chrimi I can go either way.

I chose to lynch rainbowdash over chrimi when the chrimi wagon was growing.

[RedPanda]

Can you show me which arguments you're referring to?

Wouldn't I be trying to fake consistency if I were scum?

PEDIT: Ha.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

You know I would never put anywhere near as much effort into attacking my scumreads as I have done this game if I were scum.

Thank you.

This helps me a lot.

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

OHHH

lynch this with fire.

where are my sheep.

[RedPanda]

Guys,
I know my reads have been shit this game,
So let me have some time to get them up to speed.

In other words, I am going to do a triple ISO with different people against Chrimi and RD.

Actually Why do you need time om?

we all knew the mason death was coming.

the nightkill flip was going to give us no information.

you had 3 days after chrimis death to reread and catch scum.

What did you do with it?

I've been sidetracked with other games and the meatworld.

BTW, AcRv is finally here and expect a post from him soon.

Plus I generally don't like reading up during the night phase. I only ever reread when making cases during the day.

you guys are a hydra and you're not scumhunting in your hydra qt?

The hydra is scum.

Om isn't the way your hydra is behaving the way most scum hydras behave?

[RedPanda]

I read you as town when you hyrdraed with DGB.
Because you were scumhunting at night and day.

I'm reading you as scum this game because there is absolutely no scumhunting at night and day.

How are you behaving pro town?

Because you're ATeing?

because you're caps raging?

Because I'm supposed to just believe your playstyle is town?

I'm not a newbie Om.

[RedPanda]

I mean seriously, the fact I knew AcRv was here before he actually posted means we have definitely been communicating.

You're seriously reaching big time, and if you are town then you must suck horribly.

Communicating is different from scumhunting om.

[RedPanda]

RP, if you're scum, why don't you just vote VE so we can get him out of the way?
RP, if you're town, why don't you just vote VE so we can see which alignment he is?

I'm trying for a perfect town win.

Lynching him might cost me that

[RedPanda]

the potack hydra is most likely scum.

Arugula could also be scum and both rainbowdash and chrimi bussed him to get town cred from his lynch. but I doubt that and he should be a lynch like after VE.

[RedPanda]

Om meta arguments are shit.

This is just your playstyle.

Doesn't say shit about your alignment.

But I really want a perfect town win. lynching him might cost me that.

DGB was forcing me to scumhunt, AcRv wasn't even here during the night phase, so I had nobody to force me to do anything.

Bullshit.

You have been pushing 1 of your scumreads (me) (but even then you haven't even been making good attacks).

Horseshit

I am actually so invested at this game to the point that I'm close to not playing anymore because people are trying to lynch me. If that ain't fucking town behaviour, then I have no fucking idea what is.

I am never this invested as scum. Full-fucking-stop.

Bullhorseshit.

[RedPanda]

It really looks to me like you need to think of other targets to pursue incase you actually do get us mislynched.

okay brother.

I didn't even have to go after you to get VE lynched.

but yeah whatever floats your boat.

Also My reply to your case.

Where's your reply.

[RedPanda]

READ MY FUCKING META. MY TOWN PLAYSTYLE AND MY SCUM PLAYSTYLE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. JUST FUCKING TAKE A LOOK AT MY META AND YOU WILL SEE. YOUR RELUCTANCE TO ACTUALLY BE BOTHERED TO LOOK AT MY META IN CASE IT MIGHT CLEAR ME IS SOMETHING ONLY SUCM WOULD DO.

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Also stop doing this its annoying


I don't give a fuck what your meta is.

This is your fucking playstyle.

If you're enlightened enough to know the difference between your own meta I'm pretty sure you're intelligent enough to change it to make them both match.

[RedPanda]

nono

read my old games.

my meta will clear me.

but you're behaving like scum this game.

no no you're scum because you don't want to believe I'm town.

Shutup om.

[RedPanda]

but it isn't om.

It isn't.

tried to lynch shotgun day 1. only backed away when you believed he was a mason.
then you went after mcstab etc.. etc..
disappeared when rainbowdash was getting lynched.

called the lynch on chrimi a policy lynch.

So lets just assume right here that your reads have been terrible till now.

After chrimi gets lynched what would a player who apparently is the beacon of townieness do.
He reads the game during the night phase discusses with his hydra partner about who the last scum is.

I don't have a hydra partner and I did it. I reread code_x and shotgun to make sure that my solid town read on them was justified.
I analyzed the wagons. found the best suspect and its you and I want you lynched.

and then you begin the day not by telling us that you reread and now you think this person is scum.
you began the day giving excuses about your performance and then asked for more time to reread.

And then when I called you scum.
You OMGUSED me.

Om thought I was obv town till I started calling him scum.

And hes using one tell which mcqueen used from someother game. and apparently that tell is used by only scum.
And the tell is Only scum would call somebody scum for being shitty at catching scum.

This is ridiculous even for om.

And this is the shitty logic om.

its really bad even for you.

why should I magically change my read on you? because you keep telling me to? because you're using meta?

[RedPanda]

YOU AREN'T EVEN GIVING ME A CHANCE TO CLEAR MY NAME. YOU'RE DELIBERATELY IGNORING MY ATTEMPTS TO CLEAR MYSELF TO DISCREDIT ME AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE MY DEFENSES AREN'T WORTH ANYTHING.
THIS
IS
WHAT
IS
CALLED
SCUM
BEHAVIOUR

you've been defending yourself all the time.

I've been attacking you all the time.

thats how the game works.

Should the prosecutor be charged for doing his job against a criminal?

[RedPanda]

I've posted the analysis already.

your friend acrv also commented on it.

why aren't you reading the game om?

the vote on you was based on my analysis.
You are scum.
You deserve to get lynched today with everything I have and seen about you.
Why should I even consider keeping you alive?
Everybody else has done something redeeming.

[RedPanda]

I mean I liked the om vs shotgun fight.

Lol.
Inconsistencies.

Whats inconsitent?

[RedPanda]

PEDIT: You attacked me for backing off from shotgun.

of course.

I said day 1 shouldn't be all about the both of you and because it wasn't was the reason we lynched scum back to back.

[RedPanda]

But if I'm scum then wouldn't having me in the spotlight be a good thing?

I mean, you're certainly fine with keeping today all about you and me? So why was it bad back then?

only one scum alive.

[RedPanda]

and yeah stop arguing pointless things.

you have a brain right.

some stuff don't have to be explained.

[RedPanda]

So?
If I'm scum now, wouldn't I have still been scum at the beginning of the game?

Did my alignment change halfway through the game or something?

It didn't.

Your alignment was camouflaged by your playstyle during day 1.

[RedPanda]

I've already answered this.

There are some playstyles which make people think you're town. yours is an example. Mine is an example also.

What changed is the way you've played the game.

not lynching scum.
behaving like a scum hydra.
not scumhunting at night especially when your reads were proven wrong.
OMGUSING with shitty logic.
ATEing.
And my analysis of everybody else.

so many things.

I'm getting tired of arguing the same points with you.

[RedPanda]

Wouldn't I be trying to fake consistency if I were scum?

PEDIT: Ha.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

You know I would never put anywhere near as much effort into attacking my scumreads as I have done this game if I were scum.

Thank you.

This helps me a lot.

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

OHHH

lynch this with fire.

where are my sheep.

also this.

[RedPanda]

Screw it
UNVOTE: The Acting Method
VOTE: Rainbowdash

Venmar was the "Hey why'd you stop RVS" guy, and his posts were awful.

Yeah, no...pony dies. imo imo

In 5 posts, the pony has appealed to fear and authority, has played this little game about the "VT claim question he wants answered, but not really it's this other question, and it's SOOOO IMPORTANT" yeeeah no.

PEdit:
"Trying to get a scum lynched" you say? Which scum is that? He's been in the game longer than I have, and I don't know who he thinks is scum. He's going over everyone's ISO now, but why? He doesn't have an opinion after reading everyone in context AS IT WAS HAPPENING AS HE'S BEEN PLAYING? I did a full readthrough at work, in less than an hour, and I have opinions on everyone in town. Some stronger than others, but I could rattle them off. He's faking activity and contribution, and he's scum. And if you're as good as you seem to think you are, this would be at the very least ringing alarm bells for you.

@Soben
Well, to be fair Scumhunter had me fooled in the game I was in with him, and I think I've only played with you as town?

PEdit:
@Rainbowdash
1) No one is asking you to defend Venmar's actions.
2) Unless I'm mistaken, there are 9 days until lynch...and your slot has been up for replacement for...what 2 or 3 of them? Are you suggesting that if they should have ended the day with almost 2 weeks left?
3) What's your Soben read based off of? Or RP for that matter?

these are all good posts from VE.

I don't think we should lynch VE.

He's done something good in the game.

[RedPanda]

There are some playstyles which make people think you're town. yours is an example. Mine is an example also.

So you basically just admitted that you may not be town. Cool, thanks.

What changed is the way you've played the game.

not lynching scum.

Because lynching scum would have totally cleared me.

behaving like a scum hydra.

How does a scum hydra behave?

not scumhunting at night especially when your reads were proven wrong.

Reading through my meta will tell you I don't read at night anyway.

OMGUSING with shitty logic.

Why is it shitty? Are you just annoyed I compared you to mcqueen?

ATEing.

Why is this scummy?

And my analysis of everybody else.

So because you said someone is town, they must be town? Okay then, you said I was town D1, so I must be town.

it would have given you town points. yeah.
lynching scum usually does that.
Scum hydras don't scumhunt.
especially when your reads were proven wrong. And yeah I don't believe that. I'm pretty sure any decent person would reread a game at night if hes playing to win.
It is shitty. You're using a shitty tell to overturn your obv town read on me. you're entitled to call me scum. I'm entitled to call your logic shitty because it is.
It is scummy.
I never called you town day 1.

[RedPanda]

I might actually be the lowest common denomonator guys. After looking, it seems most everyone is actually willing to lynch me, but has maybe a stronger read or doesn't think it can happen...but it looks like it can.

Lynch me first. Clear the air. Look at the game again. Right? There's only one scum left, fuck it ya know?

Why don't you just help me lynch the scum hydra?

[RedPanda]

Everyone answer this

If I offer to lynch myself, will you all lynch RP tomorrow?
1 of us has to be scum. And if this actually ends up as town V town then VE is almost confirmed scum.

Lynching me, then following my lynch list will probably end up in auto-win, unless the last scum played a superb game.

YES.

I'll agree to this.

[RedPanda]

only people I've called town were codex shotgun.

And soben and it was at the end of the day when I figured out he was town because I was paranoid that he and You were buddying to me a lot.

[RedPanda]

Everyone answer this

If I offer to lynch myself, will you all lynch RP tomorrow?
1 of us has to be scum. And if this actually ends up as town V town then VE is almost confirmed scum.

Lynching me, then following my lynch list will probably end up in auto-win, unless the last scum played a superb game.

No.
It

is

town V town imo.

I'm pretty sure hes just trying to make it look that way.

[RedPanda]

That was enough to get him lynched wasn't it.

seems to have done its job.

[RedPanda]

Like, it looks to me to be between myself and Potack...I can do a Potack lynch, but if everyone is more comfortable with a VE lynch, then I think you guys can make a good lynch happen eventually. Most everyone seems to be at least kinda paying attention, this game IS like over isn't it?

Just lynch me and slam it home tomorrow or the next day. I don't care, I'll still win.

PEdit: No, I'm totally down with lynching Potack today...but the problem of me still exists tomorrow if he's town and to be honest I think you're the scum so you'll have a prepackaged mislynch tomorrow in me if Potack is town. :/

Actually the problem of POTACK is going to exist tomorrow if you lynch me, so yeah dumb idea I guess.

we have three mislynches.

stop being paranoid.

[RedPanda]

I will not stop pushing him until you can explain this and I deem it right.

I'm not expecting you to stop.

Keep going on.

But I want something extra.

some scumhunting on other players.

because what I have is pretty convincing.

Also hey look here. You wanted me to continue attacking shotgun.
You also said I should do some more scumhunting on

other

players.
This implies you thought I was scumhunting.

You were just tunneling on shotgun.
I asked you to scumhunt on others also.

I really don't see the point your trying to argue here?

[RedPanda]

He's saying that you thought he was town before and he's asking you what's changed that read RP.

I never thought he was town.

and that statement doesn't even seem to imply that.

That statement is even me trying to get om to stop tunneling on a person and scumhunt others so I can get a proper read out of him.

And I've listen a whole bunch of things as to why hes scum

[RedPanda]

You were focusing on one person.

Om out of 12 or something.

Scum can pretend to scumhunt.

or is that something new to you?

[RedPanda]

I mean, I'm just telling you my interpretation of his ramblings...whatever bro.

Ugh, like you're dominating the thread right now RP and I think you're the scum...it's really hard for me to stay motivated in this game. :/

Why do you think I'm scum?

All I can see is paranoia?

Why can't you just read my posts without a bias and understand that om is scum?

[RedPanda]

@Gunny: Exactly. I'm using his logic to show how shitty it is.

RP keeps bragging about how obvtown he is.
So far, he's sheeped people.
He's constantly kept his reasons vague.
He makes bullshit attacks.
He is manipulating the facts to make him appear town.

Wow RP, you really are obvtown.

Lets do this?

Lynch you today.

lynch me tomorrow.

what have you got to lose?

stop backing out of it om.

[RedPanda]

I'm one of those people who likes to policy lynch people who ask useless questions

Why were you attacking me for calling the Chrimi lynch a policy lynch when you were willing to policy lynch someone early in the game?
Don't give me any of this "reaction test" bullshit either.

Chrimi was obvious scum.

you called it a policy lynch.

[RedPanda]

if it can't help either side, then its pretty much useless not helpful isn't it?

Why post something useless and unhelpful in a game?

- How does this make TAM scummy? You're kind of clearly policy lynching now rather than scum lynching.

I'm sorry.

2 pages into the game and you want me to give you reasons more than that?

if he becomes useful. I'm going to take my vote from him.

If he doesn't then its blood.

This clearly shows you want him lynched because he's supposedly useless. You don't even care if he's scum.

yeah. you can get reads on players only when you can analyze their thought process. and that only happens when somebody is useful. and it was page 2.

[RedPanda]

if it can't help either side, then its pretty much useless not helpful isn't it?

Why post something useless and unhelpful in a game?

- How does this make TAM scummy? You're kind of clearly policy lynching now rather than scum lynching.

I'm sorry.

2 pages into the game and you want me to give you reasons more than that?

if he becomes useful. I'm going to take my vote from him.

If he doesn't then its blood.

And he has more than enough content now to start being useful

So you use the game size as an excuse for not being able to provide content, yet the very next post you attack someone for not providing content when there is enough already?

I started the content explosion.
He had enough content to be useful.

This is how people play this game.

[RedPanda]

ITT om uses the first few pages after RVS instead of analyzing posts between flipped scum and me.

[RedPanda]

@Om:

Everyone answer this

If I offer to lynch myself, will you all lynch RP tomorrow?
1 of us has to be scum. And if this actually ends up as town V town then VE is almost confirmed scum.

Lynching me, then following my lynch list will probably end up in auto-win, unless the last scum played a superb game.

No.
It

is

town V town imo.

Trust me its not.

I've given you reasons why VE shouldn't be lynched.

[RedPanda]

VE Thinks I'm not scumhunting as much as I was at the start of the game. This is another ridiculous thing.

Start of day scumhunting check.
middle of day V/LA announced check.
end of day scumhunting which leads to scum lynched check.
day 2 another scum lynched check.
day 3 I'm the one leading a lynch on om check.

Explain to us VE.

[RedPanda]

@Om: Stop dragging out RedPanda's old posts and tagging scum-motives on them. You didn't see them first place and called him obvtown.

he can't use the relevant ones.

Because they make me seem obv town.

hes scum.

shotgun.

Just trust me on this.

I seriously don't think its VE.

[RedPanda]

So will that change if Potack flips town RP? That's the problem I'm having with this whole scenario RP - the fact that you're like SOOOO certain of Potack...but it's based mostly on PoE right? But the thing is, if Potack flips town, your "PoE" has me lynched next as far as I can tell, and I know that I'm town. Who's after me and why RP? If I find those answers satisfactory, I'll move my vote immediately to Potack (assuming it's not already there, i'm too tired to try and remember). If you answer those questions satisfactorily enough to where I think that you're town and you can win it in spite of lynching me if Potack flips town, then I'll vote Potack now and just watch you do it.

Its not just based on POE.

We have three mislynches VE. code x shotgun and mcstab are 100% town. we have the numbers. you don't have to be worried about shit.

I'm being enthusiastic for an om lynch because I'm sure its him and I want that perfect town win.

[RedPanda]

IF Om flips town. Its between you and arugula.

I'm going to campaign for arugula.

But it still doesn't matter.

you me Arugula and potack can be lynched and town still wins.

so again, stop being worried.

[RedPanda]

Hey om you missed out a lot of posts in my ISO.

And yeah most of that is scumhunting and holding back reasons? I think the stuff I quoted Is pretty much self explanatory.

[RedPanda]

you missed out a lot of posts in day 1.

my reasons for voting rainbow dash.

and all you've been doing is misreping my intentions.

[RedPanda]

And yeah its called a slip because it wasn't intentional.

and yeah I see you protecting chrimi there again.

[RedPanda]

I didn't say "just", but whatever.

The problem is that I think you're the scum. Don't you see how you "reassuring" me about the numbers is meaningless? You're the driving force in this game right now because you're active, acting completely sure of a lynch and enough people read you as town...if you're scum as I suspect, I don't have confidence that town will be able to lynch you. So stop telling me not to worry bro. Factor this in genius...if you're town, what's to stop scum from night-killing you? That's what I'D do if you're town and I were scum - the confTown masons aren't doing shit right now, so you'd be a KILLER night-kill. And what will town do then without your ingenious reads and unbelievable ability to sway lynches?

If scum nightkill me.

Its probably an autoloss for them.

dead town reads are sacred.

If om flips town calling me scum

and you flip town calling me scum

are you actually expecting people to still not lynch me?

Seriously I don't get the problem you seem to be having.

You're paranoid that I'm scum.

but Its still a win - win situation for you.

[RedPanda]

How am I protecting Chrimi?
I'm just pointing out how your insistence that you pushed for his lynch is false.

Also if a post was missed, then that just means I didn't find anything wrong with it.
/inb4RPtriestotwistthatintomecallinghimtown

Yeah it is.

you're ignoring stuff that makes me look town.

you're misreping scumhunting .

but yeah I frankly don't care.

I'm getting your blood today.


Don't back out of that 1 vs 1 sweetie.

[RedPanda]

And chrimi scumslipped.

Town can make mistakes.

you said that scum wouldn't do that intentionally.

but a slip is called a slip because its unintentional.

and he flipped scum.

so it was a genuine scum slip.

I attacked him for that.

you tried to make the slip seem harmless.

plus points for me;

minus points for you.

[RedPanda]

Well then stop fighting your lynch today.

I won't fight my lynch tomorrow.

Capiche?

[RedPanda]

What would be the point of pointing out everything "town" you've done if I'm trying to make a case on you to get you lynched?

because I'm town.

And I really think a sane town person would read and change his mind.

Because you aren't it just means that you're scum.

[RedPanda]

If somebody flips town.

that means everything they've been saying is genuine.

which means you don't ignore them.

[RedPanda]

But if people want to see the posts I left out.
Wouldn't it make sense to just read your ISO?

Seriously, stop reaching here.

And as long as I'm alive, I'll fight for your lynch no matter what.

I'm talking about your reads on me.


Keep fighting.

I told you.

Lynch you today.

lynch me tomorrow.

I agree with that plan.

But you keep trying to survive.

[RedPanda]

Okay, looking through game (I've not really gotten back in touch with this that much since coming back...) but first thing's first UNVOTE: Potack-ruv

I'm going to check what the heck actually happened now, but just seeing that in my ISO on a skim really made me think "what the heck is going on here?"

Okay, I'd like to see your reaction once you lynch a third scum.
VOTE: Potack-Ruv
If this is what it takes to get you lynched, then I'm all for it.

I just hope everyone promises to give RP death when I die.

self votes to get sympathy.

tells his hydra buddy to unvote as soon as he comes.

damn scummy hydra using dirty tactics

[RedPanda]

I'm trying to survive because I'm town.
Isn't is obvious?

but you're trying to survive because you're scum.

you get a win win right.

your lynch gets you my lynch.

Why are you so scared?

you thought pretending to martyr yourself was going to make me back off and get everybody to think you're town?

[RedPanda]

I want my perfect town win.

[RedPanda]

Okay, I'd like to see your reaction once you lynch a third scum.
VOTE: Potack-Ruv
If this is what it takes to get you lynched, then I'm all for it.

I just hope everyone promises to give RP death when I die.

See you don't care about a perfect town win.

why are you so hesitant to put your money where your mouth is.

[RedPanda]

Okay, I'd like to see your reaction once you lynch a third scum.
VOTE: Potack-Ruv
If this is what it takes to get you lynched, then I'm all for it.

I just hope everyone promises to give RP death when I die.

I'm going to quote this also whenever you quote that and get you lynched.

[RedPanda]

How many scum did redpanda lynch - 2

how many scum did potack lynch - 0

yeah please lynch potack.

[RedPanda]

Obviously I don't care about a perfect town win.

Why else would I be offering to lynch myself?

but you aren't

thats the point.

[RedPanda]

saying the words means shit.

action is what its all about.

[RedPanda]

Basically

everything you're saying right now

boils down to

"You must be scum because you're trying to get your top scumread lynched."

which is shit logic

for someone who claims to be experienced at catching scum

hahahahah

thats funny om.

thats exactly what you're doing.

Before we had this 1 vs 1.

I was the one who made a nice case on you.

[RedPanda]

Action is selfvoting baby.

[RedPanda]

Basically

everything you're saying right now

boils down to

"You must be scum because you're trying to get your top scumread lynched."

which is shit logic

for someone who claims to be experienced at catching scum

hahahahah

thats funny om.

thats exactly what you're doing.

Before we had this 1 vs 1.

I was the one who made a nice case on you.

I mean I know you're trying to survive and all.

but seriously stop pretending or being stupid.

[RedPanda]

Real nice case man.

oh are you a goldfish.

did you miss everything after that

[RedPanda]

potack and rp are having a word battle.

Viscera just sits at the side, egging them on. thats not town

Andrew

trust me

this is not going to stop

just vote om.

I'm seriously telling you

lynching om is whats going to get us the win.

[RedPanda]

How many scum did redpanda lynch - 2

how many scum did potack lynch - 0

yeah please lynch potack.

... who's scared of not being alive in the win? Really, seeing as it's looking like an either/or situation between us two, I'd much rather see you go first if you're going to be all "I must be alive at the end".

I want to go second because I want my perfect town win.

lynching me means we dont get that.

you don't care about it

so what have you got to lose?

[RedPanda]

potack and rp are having a word battle.

Viscera just sits at the side, egging them on. thats not town

Andrew

trust me

this is not going to stop

just vote om.

I'm seriously telling you

lynching om is whats going to get us the win.

Of course.
Because you will get lynched right after.

So why are you fighting your lynch?

[RedPanda]

All this "perfect town win" stuff is complete, utter, bullshit.

If you are town, I don't see why you wouldn't want to do anything to get your scumreads lynched.

Even if it means lynching yourself.

But that's exactly why you're scum.
You're using bullshit as an excuse to not put yourself up for lynching.
You only agreed to lynching you after me because you thought that might make you look pro-town.
But I know you, you will just have to scramble out of it tomorrow.
But you can't, because there won't be a tomorrow if you get lynched today.

PEDIT: I'm not fighting my lynch at all. I'm just trying to get you lynched.

I am getting my scumread lynched.

[RedPanda]

but you were the one pretending to be a martyr not me.

I already said I'm selfish and I want my perfect win.

You backed out of your stance.

not me.

[RedPanda]

I never backed out.
I'm not saying I shouldn't be lynched.
I'm just saying you should.

you backed out.

you pretended to be a martyr.

voted for yourself.

told everybody to lynch me tomorrow.

then your scum hydra buddy bailed you out as planned.

and now when I call you on that.

you're backing out saying no no no no like a baby.

[RedPanda]

THe only reason you are still alive.
Is because everyone is pussying out an voting VE instead of one of us.

I'm pretty sure thats the reason you're alive.

[RedPanda]

good keep that vote on.

We need three more.

[RedPanda]

Why don't you vote yourself too?

You do want me lynched right?
Even if it means you get lynched beforehand?

I already told you.

[RedPanda]

And we need a prod on mcstab.

I need his vote.

[RedPanda]

Go on, vote yourself.
Make it an even ground, may the best man win.

PEDIT: Andrew, just fucking vote one of us. Stop pussying around.
If both of us flip town, then feel free to vote VE all you want. However VE will absolutely not be on the voting block until we're both lynched.

yawn.

[RedPanda]

I never backed out.
I'm not saying I shouldn't be lynched.
I'm just saying you should.

you backed out.

you pretended to be a martyr.

voted for yourself.

told everybody to lynch me tomorrow.

then your scum hydra buddy bailed you out as planned.

and now when I call you on that.

you're backing out saying no no no no like a baby.

Basically

everything you're saying right now

boils down to

"You must be scum because you're trying to get your top scumread lynched."

which is shit logic

for someone who claims to be experienced at catching scum

hahahahah

thats funny om.

thats exactly what you're doing.

Before we had this 1 vs 1.

I was the one who made a nice case on you.

Okay, I'd like to see your reaction once you lynch a third scum.
VOTE: Potack-Ruv
If this is what it takes to get you lynched, then I'm all for it.

I just hope everyone promises to give RP death when I die.

I'm going to quote this also whenever you quote that and get you lynched.

I'm trying to survive because I'm town.
Isn't is obvious?

but you're trying to survive because you're scum.

you get a win win right.

your lynch gets you my lynch.

Why are you so scared?

you thought pretending to martyr yourself was going to make me back off and get everybody to think you're town?

Okay, looking through game (I've not really gotten back in touch with this that much since coming back...) but first thing's first UNVOTE: Potack-ruv

I'm going to check what the heck actually happened now, but just seeing that in my ISO on a skim really made me think "what the heck is going on here?"

Okay, I'd like to see your reaction once you lynch a third scum.
VOTE: Potack-Ruv
If this is what it takes to get you lynched, then I'm all for it.

I just hope everyone promises to give RP death when I die.

self votes to get sympathy.

tells his hydra buddy to unvote as soon as he comes.

damn scummy hydra using dirty tactics

And chrimi scumslipped.

Town can make mistakes.

you said that scum wouldn't do that intentionally.

but a slip is called a slip because its unintentional.

and he flipped scum.

so it was a genuine scum slip.

I attacked him for that.

you tried to make the slip seem harmless.

plus points for me;

minus points for you.

I'm one of those people who likes to policy lynch people who ask useless questions

Why were you attacking me for calling the Chrimi lynch a policy lynch when you were willing to policy lynch someone early in the game?
Don't give me any of this "reaction test" bullshit either.

Chrimi was obvious scum.

you called it a policy lynch.

Everyone answer this

If I offer to lynch myself, will you all lynch RP tomorrow?
1 of us has to be scum. And if this actually ends up as town V town then VE is almost confirmed scum.

Lynching me, then following my lynch list will probably end up in auto-win, unless the last scum played a superb game.

No.
It

is

town V town imo.

I'm pretty sure hes just trying to make it look that way.

There are some playstyles which make people think you're town. yours is an example. Mine is an example also.

So you basically just admitted that you may not be town. Cool, thanks.

What changed is the way you've played the game.

not lynching scum.

Because lynching scum would have totally cleared me.

behaving like a scum hydra.

How does a scum hydra behave?

not scumhunting at night especially when your reads were proven wrong.

Reading through my meta will tell you I don't read at night anyway.

OMGUSING with shitty logic.

Why is it shitty? Are you just annoyed I compared you to mcqueen?

ATEing.

Why is this scummy?

And my analysis of everybody else.

So because you said someone is town, they must be town? Okay then, you said I was town D1, so I must be town.

it would have given you town points. yeah.
lynching scum usually does that.
Scum hydras don't scumhunt.
especially when your reads were proven wrong. And yeah I don't believe that. I'm pretty sure any decent person would reread a game at night if hes playing to win.
It is shitty. You're using a shitty tell to overturn your obv town read on me. you're entitled to call me scum. I'm entitled to call your logic shitty because it is.
It is scummy.
I never called you town day 1.

Wouldn't I be trying to fake consistency if I were scum?

PEDIT: Ha.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

You know I would never put anywhere near as much effort into attacking my scumreads as I have done this game if I were scum.

Thank you.

This helps me a lot.

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

OHHH

lynch this with fire.

where are my sheep.

also this.

I've already answered this.

There are some playstyles which make people think you're town. yours is an example. Mine is an example also.

What changed is the way you've played the game.

not lynching scum.
behaving like a scum hydra.
not scumhunting at night especially when your reads were proven wrong.
OMGUSING with shitty logic.
ATEing.
And my analysis of everybody else.

so many things.

I'm getting tired of arguing the same points with you.

but it isn't om.

It isn't.

tried to lynch shotgun day 1. only backed away when you believed he was a mason.
then you went after mcstab etc.. etc..
disappeared when rainbowdash was getting lynched.

called the lynch on chrimi a policy lynch.

So lets just assume right here that your reads have been terrible till now.

After chrimi gets lynched what would a player who apparently is the beacon of townieness do.
He reads the game during the night phase discusses with his hydra partner about who the last scum is.

I don't have a hydra partner and I did it. I reread code_x and shotgun to make sure that my solid town read on them was justified.
I analyzed the wagons. found the best suspect and its you and I want you lynched.

and then you begin the day not by telling us that you reread and now you think this person is scum.
you began the day giving excuses about your performance and then asked for more time to reread.

And then when I called you scum.
You OMGUSED me.

Om thought I was obv town till I started calling him scum.

And hes using one tell which mcqueen used from someother game. and apparently that tell is used by only scum.
And the tell is Only scum would call somebody scum for being shitty at catching scum.

This is ridiculous even for om.

And this is the shitty logic om.

its really bad even for you.

why should I magically change my read on you? because you keep telling me to? because you're using meta?

I read you as town when you hyrdraed with DGB.
Because you were scumhunting at night and day.

I'm reading you as scum this game because there is absolutely no scumhunting at night and day.

How are you behaving pro town?

Because you're ATeing?

because you're caps raging?

Because I'm supposed to just believe your playstyle is town?

I'm not a newbie Om.

Guys,
I know my reads have been shit this game,
So let me have some time to get them up to speed.

In other words, I am going to do a triple ISO with different people against Chrimi and RD.

Actually Why do you need time om?

we all knew the mason death was coming.

the nightkill flip was going to give us no information.

you had 3 days after chrimis death to reread and catch scum.

What did you do with it?

I've been sidetracked with other games and the meatworld.

BTW, AcRv is finally here and expect a post from him soon.

Plus I generally don't like reading up during the night phase. I only ever reread when making cases during the day.

you guys are a hydra and you're not scumhunting in your hydra qt?

The hydra is scum.

Om isn't the way your hydra is behaving the way most scum hydras behave?

I've got many town games. you've got to look for it yourself.


Its not 100% town read on VE. the way the scum poked at his wagon seems to be like scum calling a town wagon shitty. I'm pretty sure you're scum and I want you lynched first.


And the POE doesn't leave me at all.

Om thought I was obv town till I started calling him scum.

And hes using one tell which mcqueen used from someother game. and apparently that tell is used by only scum.
And the tell is Only scum would call somebody scum for being shitty at catching scum.

This is ridiculous even for om.


VE Thinks I'm not scumhunting as much as I was at the start of the game. This is another ridiculous thing.

Start of day scumhunting check.
middle of day V/LA announced check.
end of day scumhunting which leads to scum lynched check.
day 2 another scum lynched check.
day 3 I'm the one leading a lynch on om check.

Explain to us VE.

TAM thinks I'm scum because he's an absolute moron. He thinks om is town because om played this way in another game. This is the most terrible Kind of play in the game.

you use meta to judge playstyle not alignment. Just another terrible player I don't have time for.


and this is why I'm town.

Not just that though; your read on RP hasn't even been explained but you're insisting on it being sheeped, you state a scum-read on me or consideration that I'm scum (Which I'm pretty sure is impossible to come from you as town given how obvious/apparent my town vs scum meta is) while at the same time appealing to me and you've got Code_X thrown into the 'lynch later' pile when his entrance post comes across as incredibly obvtown - not just that though you have a 'null' read on Chrimi when his voting pattern is incredibly opportunistic.

its rainbowdash playing the paranoid card.

Unvote vote rainbowdash

or chrimi I can go either way.

I chose to lynch rainbowdash over chrimi when the chrimi wagon was growing.

Guys,
I know my reads have been shit this game,
So let me have some time to get them up to speed.

In other words, I am going to do a triple ISO with different people against Chrimi and RD.

Actually Why do you need time om?

we all knew the mason death was coming.

the nightkill flip was going to give us no information.

you had 3 days after chrimis death to reread and catch scum.

What did you do with it?

Pedit: Yes, feel free to lynch me all you want if RP flips town. It could potentially be a two for one deal if you buy from me.

om is caught scum trying to get you guys to not lynch him by attacking me and getting you guys to believe its a town vs town.


stop falling for this.

If RP flips town due to magical fairy dust interfereing with the flips, then Code_X is scum. But I cannot be sure of that until RP gets lynched.

PEDIT: What is my scum motivation for all of those?

Also this is absolute horseshit.


Seriously om.

I flip town and then you want to lynch my solid town read?

The only reason you're playing this shitty is because you're scuim

Wouldn't I want to be on the scum wagons for towncred?
Wouldn't I want to use a different argument so I don't look like scum?
Wouldn't I not want to vote you to avoid OMGUS accusations?
Wouldn't I not AtE by fear of being called out?

BUT HEY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT DOING ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE I'M TOWN AND I JUST WANT TO FUCKING GET YOU LYNCHED.

Pedit: My playstyle is very distinct. JUST FUCKING READ MY META.

Pedit: Yes, feel free to lynch me all you want if RP flips town. It could potentially be a two for one deal if you buy from me.

Oh but I think you're capable and cheeky enough to do it.

you're like a little me, atleast when it comes to playstyle.

I'M ONLY SCUM BY POE TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM AND YOU DIDN'T WANT TO INCLUDE YOURSELF.

you're scum by POE.

you're scum for staying out of two scum wagons.

You're scum for using the same arguments that both scum used,.

You're scum for OMGUSing me.

You're scum for ATEing.

WHY AM I OBVSCUM? I AM PROVIDING LOGICAL ARGUMENTS WHICH YOU ONLY SEEM TO WANT TO DISCREDIT BY NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO REFUTE THEM AND INSTEAD JUST CONTINUE TO BASELESSLY CALL ME OBVSCUM.

Actingmethod - mason.

mcstab - caught the venmar slip.

andrew - mason.

code x - solid town read

arugula - rainbowdash refused to bus chrimi. I doubt he bussed arugula.

shotgun - another solid town read.

VE - Rainbowdash in his first post called the wagon on VE shitty. That to me sounds like scum calling a town wagon shitty.


and who is left.

yeah thats you om.

townhunting works.

what have you done to make you town this game om?

THAT ISN'T EVEN A REAL ANSWER.
YOU'RE USING "I don't know" AS AN EXCUSE NOT TO ELABORATE, AND ALSO SO YOU CAN CONTINUE USING IT TO JUMP ON ME.

PEDIT: Gunny voting me is a big mistake. He should know very well I'm town.

It is a real answer.

You're behaving like scum.

Two scum got lynched using the exact same argument.

If this town is stupid enough to lynch me, then you must all superduperfuckingturbo-lynch RP.

PEDIT:

I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT I WOULD DO AS SCUM, I'M ASKING IF THAT WOULD BE WHAT SCUM WOULD LOGICALLY DO.

Don't keep telling me what scum would logically do.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

there better?

Gunny can confirm that this happened too. In case you guys can't be bothered reading.

PEDIT: So wait, I'm not allowed to change my mind?

Sure you're allowed to.

looks like a OMGUS though.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

and yes and that little bit just changed your obvtown read on me.

good bye om.

My main request today though, is that

I don't want to be lynched until AcRv actually gets a chance to post.

Maybe he could knock some sense into you guys.

PEDIT: Yes you do. You have played with me enough to not be making mistakes like these. You know my meta better than anyone else here.

you're expecting him to save your slot today?

That's not happening.

You're getting lynched today.

Lets look at it from my POV om.

You say you're a great player.
most of these players are average.
And most of these are players you've played with.
And yet your reads seem to be terrible.
There's something wrong with the picture.

I just went and multiquoted whatever I think is enough to get this scumbag lynched.

[RedPanda]

The chrimi lynch, I don't think I did anymore than other people.

the rainbowdash lynch - I got it moving.

[RedPanda]

@Andrew:

I never said I'm confirmed town. I'll admit to overstating how townie I am to the rest of you, but all I can say in my defense is that I was overlooking you and almost everyone else excluded me on their "willing to lynch" lists. It was an OBSERVATION. You're right, I'm absolutely NOT confirmed town. YOU are.

But it doesn't make you right. I'm town, whether you think so or not.

Feel free to make your case though - but considering how closed-minded you're acting I doubt any defense I can muster will sate your bias.

Town should be telling RP and potack to stop crogging up the thread

if their both town, what can we gain from the thread? nothing

he thinks We're scum.

and this is good enough reason to not lynch VE andrew.

Screw it
UNVOTE: The Acting Method
VOTE: Rainbowdash

Venmar was the "Hey why'd you stop RVS" guy, and his posts were awful.

Yeah, no...pony dies. imo imo

In 5 posts, the pony has appealed to fear and authority, has played this little game about the "VT claim question he wants answered, but not really it's this other question, and it's SOOOO IMPORTANT" yeeeah no.

PEdit:
"Trying to get a scum lynched" you say? Which scum is that? He's been in the game longer than I have, and I don't know who he thinks is scum. He's going over everyone's ISO now, but why? He doesn't have an opinion after reading everyone in context AS IT WAS HAPPENING AS HE'S BEEN PLAYING? I did a full readthrough at work, in less than an hour, and I have opinions on everyone in town. Some stronger than others, but I could rattle them off. He's faking activity and contribution, and he's scum. And if you're as good as you seem to think you are, this would be at the very least ringing alarm bells for you.

@Soben
Well, to be fair Scumhunter had me fooled in the game I was in with him, and I think I've only played with you as town?

PEdit:
@Rainbowdash
1) No one is asking you to defend Venmar's actions.
2) Unless I'm mistaken, there are 9 days until lynch...and your slot has been up for replacement for...what 2 or 3 of them? Are you suggesting that if they should have ended the day with almost 2 weeks left?
3) What's your Soben read based off of? Or RP for that matter?

these are all good posts from VE.

I don't think we should lynch VE.

He's done something good in the game.

[RedPanda]

If you didn't do anymore than anyone else on the Chrimi lynch, then everyone else musn't have done anything.

yawn

[RedPanda]

It was moving before you came back. It died down because he started posting and people (read: Chrimi -.-) were opposing it...but Soben and I did MOST of the pushing on that wagon. You commented ONCE, about how Rd looked like "paranoid scum". Nothing based on his previous action, nothing based on his posts earlier in the game - a knee-jerk gut read of someone followed by a vote.

Seriously RP.

I'm sorry Chrimi was turning into the leading wagon.

The RD wagon was dead.

I was the vote which restarted the wagon.

[RedPanda]

Eh, RP is just getting really annoying now.
I'm just going to ignore him
/inb4hetriestoaccusemeofscumforsupposedlybackingoff

you try to insult me like a kid.

and I brush it off.

obviously its going to be annoying.

[RedPanda]

unvote vote Redpanda

going to sleep...

you're making a mistake..

whats Potack done that makes you think I should go before him?

[RedPanda]

Oh shut up VE.

I do care about the perfect town win.

If code_x shotgun and mcstab help me lynch om.

I still get it.

you can try getting their votes to lynch me.

and I'm not going to fight it.

[RedPanda]

It's not about that RP, it's about winning the game. No one but you cares about "perfect town win". Everyone just wants to win. If you're town, then vote for yourself and I'll hammer. This day is a wash because of you and Potato...if you flip town I swear to GOD I'll lynch the fuck out of Potato tomorrow.

om lynched 0 scum

I lynched 2 scum.

Om thought I was obv town till I tried to get him lynched, then he "changed his mind"

I mean comeon.

[RedPanda]

If you aren't going to fight it.

Then why aren't you offering to lynch yourself?

PEDIT: You made no attack on me until D3 either. The only thing that came close was a sheep of someone else.

If 5 people are going to lynch me. then I'm getting lynched.

no perfect town win but yeah I'm going to win unless they actually buy your horsecrap.

if om flips town its arugula.

lynch VE after arugula.

[RedPanda]

OMGUS is as common in townies as it is in scum...maybe moreso.

I lynched 0 scum and I'm town.

Other arguments would probably be better.

you lynched 1.

[RedPanda]

Andrew, TAM and Techno never lynched a scum either.

but their masons.

and there's the other scummier stuff you've done.

I'm just talking about who should get lynched first you or me.

I think lynching me first when I've done more than you is bad, thats all.

[RedPanda]

That's what I keep saying Shotty. :/

I'm talking about the point about who should go first.

I've done more than om.

hence I should go after him.

Thats the point.

Can you point something that oms done that you think you should keep him alive?

[RedPanda]

Why me before shotty RP, if you don't mind me asking?

shotgun and code_x are town.

I'm sure about that.

so is mcstab.

[RedPanda]

Code_X is town because Hes thinking like me. also his first post just came from town.

I had an early town read on shotgun based on his reaction to my VT claim.

and then The mason thing shotgun pretended to be a mason with andrew not knowing if andrew was baiting him or scum.

and there's the lynching both scum which helps also.

[RedPanda]

Gunny, lynching both the scum has nothing to do with anything.

Him lynching both scum as town means his reads were good. Him lynching both scum as scum means he was bussing.

Me not lynching either scum as town means my reads weren't the best. Me not lynching either scum as scum means I am totally not playing like my normal scum-self.

I think keeping person 1 is better don't you?

[RedPanda]

Because Gut reads shotty is town.

my gut reads are good.

If I'm getting lynched people should respect that.

[RedPanda]

RP:

QUALITY reasoning. About specifically Shotty.

The mason thing is completely null. First of all, if Shotty were scum, what he said was "Andrew is 100% town!" As scum he could have backpedaled this to mean anything he wants, from reaction-test to fake-mason-claim to whatever the fuck. If he's town it could be just as you say...but the mason thing is COMPLETELY NULL. That's a shitty reason.

You've provided GOOD reason for not wanting to lynch me today. Tell me why you'd rather lynch me over Shotty.

Keeping person 1 is only better if they're town. But we don't know that, and using that as a reason for you being town is just WIFOM.

PEDIT: My gut reads are the best. Especially at catching the last scum.
My gut is going crazy on you.

ahah your gut reads are shit

[RedPanda]

Vote RedPanda

Okay om hammer me.

I'm tired of dragging this day on

[RedPanda]

lynch this fucker tomorrow.

then lynch arugula.

[RedPanda]

For the record, my stance is the same. RP flips town, Potato dies.

oh shutup

[RedPanda]

For the record, my stance is the same. RP flips town, Potato dies.

and yeah you're probably going to get lynched tomorrow.

because this scumbag is not going to do anything.


the others are just going to be like om vs redpanda was town vs town and lose the game.

[RedPanda]

No need to get shitty - this was your idea to begin with.

Actually even if om is town. He should have been sacrificed.

His reads were shit.

I was more protown and I helped town a lot.

lynching me was the problem.

[RedPanda]

And we have crappy masons.