Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[McStab]

Hey everyone, four pages in less than 12 hours - I like the activity.

I'm gonna examine the posts more carefully soon to make some serious observations, but for now I'll answer TAM's questions:

1) EST Time

2) I'm not someone who posts alot of small posts, and tend to instead post alot of content in the ones I do - I assure you that this won't diminish my scumhunting. As for activity, I usually can check in a few times daily, and you can expect at least a post a day (likely more) given the level of activity apparent in this game.

[McStab]

@Gunny - Of course I like activity, as it generates discussion, which generates information, which is the only way to go about catching scum; if you'd properly read my post, I then go on to say that I tend to post not as often but with content-filled posts. At the risk of sounding like an OMGUS argument, I don't really like your reads and/or agree with them, for the simple reason that I don't necessarily agree that simplicity = towntells. Scum can act brash as well, and scum can get away with looking like a town player by posting alot of fluff or near-fluff, particularly Day One, where our information is obviously limited.

That being said, I haven't gotten a particularly scummish vibe from you, more of a town creating discussion.

In regards to claiming, although this has already been pointed out, I think at face value it's useless - masons, VTs and scum will all claim townie at this point. I think it's utility lies more in how others have reacted to it. No one's reactions have struck me as particularly revealing, except TAM who's questions could've been a subtle attempt to fish for masons.

RedPanda strikes me as town from his straight honesty and aggressive demeanor, as well as what appears to be earnest scumhunting. While I may not use his methods, I get a distinct town vibe from them.

I am undecided on TAM and Potack. While both have offered plenty of discussion and information, I haven't gotten a town vibe from either.

One thing I did notice, however small, is a potential slip of the tongue by Venmar:

"- There are probably a couple instances in games that i have ongoing, but if you want you can read Open 399, that is my latest completed game. Luckily for you

i also played as scum there

, so feel free to get some kind of a scum meta, but that was my first time playing as scum so i doubt it is as reliable."


Also? I don't think it really fits in the rest of the sentence, and could be a slip of the tongue pertaining to this game. I would like others views on this however, perhaps I am just putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong words when reading that, but it stuck out to me.

Finally, I would really like to hear from some of the other players. There are a few who haven't posted at all, and I wasn't satisfied with either Andrew or Abasta's posts. With the game being so early this is to be expected, but I would like an upswing in posting from all of them.

[McStab]

Hey, sorry Mortonfrh, no need to get a replacement. I'm still here, I've just been a bit lethargic with my posting in this game and a few others. I think I'm still in time under my prod and I'll be able to put the necessary time into this game.

[McStab]

I can get behind some pressure on Andrew.

Vote:andrew94

This whole masonclaim is way too vague for me to get behind. I don't think we should hammer yet by any means, nor do I want to out the masons directly, but at this point it's essentially linking two players, both of whom have been acting suspect to say the least. Furthermore I hate the logic of "lynch me if im town lynch you".

So anyone who accuses you is autoscum? Or Potack must be for attacking both you and drmy?

And it doesn't help town at all to let yourself be lynched. Also, why wouldn't it work? Does that mean you're scum? I hesitate to think any scum could make such an obvious slip, but I am unsure if I'm detecting any sarcasm there or not. The only part that "won't work" is if you aren't town.

[McStab]

I think it's soft but yes, I saw "FIND SCUM (Who aren't andrew94 or shotgun)." Taken literally, it means they are scum but we're not supposed to look for the name.

I just think coupled with his vague mason-esque claim and poor reaction to your catch, he really deserves some attention and pressure.

[McStab]

I'll be out pressuring scum while you bicker with Potack or offer pithy one liners, drmyshotgun.

You've made 72 posts and they can be boiled down to this:

1. Needlessly and out of nowhere fight with Potack for 20 pages.
2. You and Andrew buddy up in the most obvious fashion ever, which at least helps in the sense that only masons or mafia could be so assured of the other (or the most gullible townie ever).
3. Claim how stupid everyone who suspects you must be (attempting to stifle discussion, a scum trait).


Now, I don't buy into the whole andrew "scumslip" wholeheartedly. His followup post however is illogical and inconsistent. Your post in his defense is useless and doesn't help at all. And, most importantly, why isn't a little pressure good? He's not at L-1 or anything drastic yet, it's simply pressing for more information. Discussion is important to the town.

If you and andrew are masons, then you really ought to contribute more to discussion beyond this silly argument with Potack - see what Soben and VisceraEyes are doing perhaps, and post reads/put pressure on people. At this point, you're tunnelling Potack and it's not adding anything new to the equation for the town to go off of.

[McStab]

McStab didn't initially see your so-called "scumslip" Potack.
He was just joining the party to "pressure" Andrew.
Then, when you asked him what he saw, in your utter eagerness to check if someone shares the same opinion as you have, only then, did McStab make up some bullshit to justify his vote.

I saw the scumslip - if you'd bothered to read the post instead of putting in some kneejerk OMGUS defense post on behalf of andrew, you would've noticed that I wrote this:

"I hesitate to think any scum could make such an obvious slip".

That's prior to Potack writing it.

The only reason I'm not confirmed 100% on you and andrew being scum is because I doubt any scumteam could be so blatantly obviously working together - either way, you've played this terribly.

Through your surefire association with andrew you've either A) Revealed you and andrew as some of the most obvious scum ever or B) Given two masons identities to the scum over a dumb fight with Potack.

[McStab]

You and andrew have outed yourselves one way or another long before I brought it to attention. As for my lack of contribution, it was related to not having the time to properly devote some solid content to the game. You see, instead of confusing town with fluff posts like you or andrew, I prefer to offer real content in my posts.

"Completely outing"? Let's be frank, half the game was referencing you and andrew as possible masons over the last few pages and were asking for clarity. If you are masons, then the scum would have to be blind and retarded to not see that claim. If you aren't masons, you're not helping your wincondition because you either outed yourself as scum or confused the hell out of everyone as a VT.

I told Potack what I saw to confirm that I was aware of what the pressure vote was, and that I wasn't sheeping. Please, stop trying to draw ridiculous conclusions and connections where there is nothing, you're only embarassing yourself.

If anything, I would say the andrew vote has been successful - your insane kneejerk defense of him reeks of scum to me.

[McStab]

I have suspects - you and andrew. I pressure vote andrew and drmyshotgun comes out swinging on his behalf without addressing andrew's reaction. That vote got two super scummy reactions from you both.

As for others, I have suspected Venmar/Rainbowdash's slot, but I haven't had the time to get around to posting a bigger analysis. For now, he's on my list of people I view as scummy, but he certainly isn't topping it with these reactions.

I have town reads on VisceraEyes, Soben and RedPanda. I do have other opinions on other players obviously, but I'll need some more time (e.g. later today) to post a more comprehensive list.

[McStab]

ok lynch me, if im town, lynch you.
deal?

oh wait, that wont work...

How is that helpful to the town at all?

Andrew's reactions have been nothing but scummy and poor logically. Drmyshotgun's posts have been consistent with him being partners with andrew, but that doesn't mean town at all. I will say this - I believe that if drmy or andrew flip scum, the other is almost (like 95%) certainly scum, or if one flips mason, the other is certainly mason.

I'm more satisfied now that you've claimed mason. Your connection was obvious to everyone, but only confusing town (scum would know that if you and andrew are partners, you aren't scum - town, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to discern mason or mafia till one of you flipped, and the vagueness was just muddying the waters).

With this claim, however, you're no longer a good choice for lynching today.

Unvote

If you're really mason, then tonight the scum will kill one of you, which confirms the other. If one of you don't die tonight, then you're most likely scum, or the mafia let a mason survive (helping the town out in the long run as I can't see you getting lynched if both other masons are alive). Either way, the town is in a stronger position.

Potack, I wasn't "sheeping" you. I placed a pressure vote to see what reaction it would elicit. It was a clear reaction and it cleared up the vagueness around the mason claim (which, as I said before, was only going to confuse those who can't discern between the two groups, as opposed to the scum, who would already know that two people working together aren't scum).

This OMGUS doesn't help though, drmyshotgun and andrew. If you are masons, you're wasting your time being overdefensive and not scumhunting others. I won't be voting for either of you today because of what I said above, but I seriously disagree with what you consider productive scumhunting. Tonight, I'll be making a more comprehensive post regarding who I consider scummy and townie and my rationale as to why.

[McStab]

ok lynch me, if im town, lynch you.
deal?

oh wait, that wont work...

How is that helpful to the town at all?

Andrew's reactions have been nothing but scummy and poor logically. Drmyshotgun's posts have been consistent with him being partners with andrew, but that doesn't mean town at all. I will say this - I believe that if drmy or andrew flip scum, the other is almost (like 95%) certainly scum, or if one flips mason, the other is certainly mason.

I'm more satisfied now that you've claimed mason. Your connection was obvious to everyone, but only confusing town (scum would know that if you and andrew are partners, you aren't scum - town, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to discern mason or mafia till one of you flipped, and the vagueness was just muddying the waters).

With this claim, however, you're no longer a good choice for lynching today.

Unvote

If you're really mason, then tonight the scum will kill one of you, which confirms the other. If one of you don't die tonight, then you're most likely scum, or the mafia let a mason survive (helping the town out in the long run as I can't see you getting lynched if both other masons are alive). Either way, the town is in a stronger position.

Potack, I wasn't "sheeping" you. I placed a pressure vote to see what reaction it would elicit. It was a clear reaction and it cleared up the vagueness around the mason claim (which, as I said before, was only going to confuse those who can't discern between the two groups, as opposed to the scum, who would already know that two people working together aren't scum).

This OMGUS doesn't help though, drmyshotgun and andrew. If you are masons, you're wasting your time being overdefensive and not scumhunting others. I won't be voting for either of you today because of what I said above, but I seriously disagree with what you consider productive scumhunting. Tonight, I'll be making a more comprehensive post regarding who I consider scummy and townie and my rationale as to why.

[McStab]

Sorry for double post

[McStab]

@Potack - It was vague in the sense that they were acting as though they were connected and suggesting it, but they hadn't came out and directly said what they were alluding at. This normally is something to be applauded, but it was ridiculous in the sense that they were stifling discussion and refusing to admit the possibility the other may be scum in their actions. This is the hallmark of an informed player, and was clear to everyone, but if we allowed it to go unchecked, scum could just as easily vaguely act as masons and use it to stifle discussion. It's unfortunate they had to come out as masons (if they are), but then they also shouldn't have been so blatantly obvious by not even paying lip service to the idea the other could've been scum.

It's not "horribly fake town jargen" - you misconstrued what I said. I didn't say we shouldn't lynch them and we shouldn't tie them together. What I meant when I said that was that none of the evidence was conclusive enough to warrant a lynch at this time, but it's suspect that two players are linked directly (which, given that they then are either masons or mafia, is relevant).

His constant battling with you up until this point after you accused him of scumminess (and drmy's assistance to him) substantiates my statement that anyone who accused him was considered autoscum in his head. Drmyscum's attack on me immediately after further cements this. This answers both of your questions.

I don't quite understand your "what makes you think this" question, Potack. I only mean to say in that statement that andrew's logic is terribly flawed and he is only correct if he is scum. He says that lynching himself, then him turning town, means we should lynch you. He then says that wouldn't work. The only part of that that could be impossible to work is him being town (not saying it's impossible he's town, I'm saying it's impossible to not lynch him and then you if we want to). It was blatant OMGUSuckery and not a real defense or real attack on you.

The mason claim itself doesn't make him scum, but they had made it abundantly clear they were connected and hadn't claimed yet. Everyone in the game was acknowledging they were connected. This means either scum or masons. If they are scum, no one else is sure whether they are masons or scum. If they are masons, town is still confused, but scum already knows. To suggest that anyone wasn't aware that andrew and drmyshotgun were connected before they came out and claimed is to suggest that everyone is profoundly stupid.

This mason claim means that we know have a confirmed innocent or scum the next day, or, if neither flips, we have some hard evidence to go off of on Day 2. I'm personally still not convinced they aren't scum, but they aren't the best lynch today regardless - tomorrow we'll have much more information based on who survives the night.

Keep in mind one of them was dying tonight anyway if they're really Masons - we all knew they were somewhat informed. Now we have the confirmed link out in the open and stand a better chance of making a scum lynch today (or tomorrow if both live). This situation didn't happen because I was "rolefishing"; it happened because they basically let the whole game know they were informed of each other's alignment.

I didn't ask directly because I feel as though a much more genuine and telling response would come out of reaction-fishing. The reaction has certainly been genuine, kneejerk, and emotional, and if one flips scum then there is no way the other one gets away, as they're clearly linked.

Another productive thing to come out of the mason claim is that you and drmy have apparently ended this ridiculous quarrel. We can focus on bigger fish to fry.

[McStab]

Here are your answers:

First, your questions about my post 480 -

1. It was needless in that it essentially walled the game into looking at fluff posts and insults for 20 pages. Very little of substance was said and all it did was drawout a connection between andrew and drmyshotgun (which, given their present claim, is unlikely to be a positive thing).
2. See posts #168, #240, #248, #308, #97, #153, #363, #368, #370, #373 and every defense post for andrew following my vote.
3. Stifling discussion without giving good reasons is a sign of both being informed and not looking for scumtells. Discussion = good for the town. I don't know why I had to make this clear to you.
4. I thought it was interesting but circumstantial. I didn't think it was a slam dunk, but I felt by applying proper pressure I could get a better read for andrew. Unfortunately drmy intervened immediately thereafter and further cemented his connection with andrew, which led me to conclude that he had to claim for the benefit of the town.
5. See my above post as to why andrew's response was illogical.
6. His post in defense of andrew was, and I quote "Vote:McStab Retard :/" Please, show me the helpfulness in that post. Really gonna catch scum by calling people retarded and not providing reasoning to votes.
7. Again, please use your head a little before asking me these questions. If I put someone at L-1 it is far more impactful than just placing a pressure vote on him (the 4th, I believe).
8. Are you kidding me? I want you to find me a single person in Mafia theory who thinks discussion is bad for the town. If you think discussion is bad for town, please, go back to Newbie Games. It's not fake town jargon, it's cold hard facts.
9. I will lump this together with what should be 10. Soben and VisceraEyes have been posting logical cases for why people are acting scummy, applying pressure, and posting their views on everyone else in the game. They aren't tunnelling like you and, in particular, drmy and andrew, had been.
11. You contradicted yourself. You have been tunnelling you say, but then you ask "How is not anything new". If you have been tunnelling up to this point, and you are continuing to tunnel, it is nothing new. As to why I didn't attack you for it, I wasn't suspecting you as much as drmy for his reaction. I had already indicted both of you for tunnelling through the way you carried out your arguments, but I wasn't directing this specific pressure on you.

Your questions to me in post #483:

1. It's not discrediting for no reason. I write alot of words in the first place so that I don't have to go over points again. If people are too stupid, impatient or just can't read the first time, I don't feel as though I need to waste my time explaining it to them (see: what I currently am having to do).
2. Unless I'm the luckiest guesser in the history of mafiascum, in guessing correctly that it was a slip of tongue (keep in mind that his post consisted of one sentence), you're grasping at straws here.
3. I explain why directly underneath. It's terrible play for a logical reason - it hurts their wincon whether they are scum or town.
4. Because it started over fluff and devolved into a back and forth that produced more fluff.

Your questions to me in post #487:

1. See my dozens of posts as to the systemic buddying they exhibited. You don't need to post double questions to sound more like a townie.
2. The fluff posts is the fact that between the both of you you've both been concluded as either "slightly scum" or null on everyone's reads lists, and yet you have posted well over 100 posts between the two of you. Furthermore most of your attacks seem to be directed against each other (up until this point). My content is what I've been posting recently. If you're claiming that you can get scumtells off me, then I'm not posting fluff, as fluff is, by definition, useless.
3. Arugula, post #356, questions why drmy thinks andrew is 100% town, and why he's hiding his reasons. If Arugula is scum, he's noticed. Arugula, #358 - you just claimed mason or scum. Soben, #369 - Drmyshotgun is siding with Andrew. VisceraEyes, post #325 - Andrew seems to be setting up a mason claim with drmyshotgun. How much of this game have you actually read Potack?
4. The masons speculation comes from, let's see if you can figure it out, me looking to elicit a reaction earlier on andrew. Instead, I get a crazy response from drmyshotgun, showing a connection. Can you figure out what two players who are connected means? Either scum or mason. I speculated equally scum or mason. Individually my reads are evolving and changing, but it doesn't matter - their proven association means either scumteam or masonteam, and will be shown through one of their flips either tonight or tomorrow (tonight if mason likely, tomorrow if scum likely). As for who their last member is, no clue as of yet, I would want to see a flip before I devoted all my time to studying possible third connections. For day one, bagging two scum would be good enough.
5. Repeating the same dumb question/speculation twice doesn't make you more town.
6. See my original logic for my actions in those posts above. Then see his illogical reactions. Rinse, wash, repeat until it sinks in.
7. See my logic of why his kneejerk reaction means he is grouped with andrew. Then see how it means they are either scum or masons. Then see, how, up until the point I'd written that, he was refusing to claim mason.

In response to your questions of my post #489:
1. See previous answers to your redundant questions.
2. See question 3.
3. Will post tonight (see timeline I posted for the post).

In response to your questions of my post #495:
1. It isn't helpful to the town because it's an OMGUS response with no other information or evidence as to why he thinks you're scum. If it isn't helpful to the town it is useless fluff. If it is just OMGUS it is either scummy or useless fluff - neither is pro-town play.
2. See my response to the last ten times you asked me that.
3. I don't get the question. They are partners, but not necessarily town partners, is what I meant.
4. YOU'RE TELLING ME! Your hypocrisy is overwhelming through posting this.
5. Only horribly fake if you have some sort of problem with logical reasoning.
6. I unvote him the first post after I see his claim. I explain why in the next few sentences. Do you actually read posts or do you just put question marks everywhere on things that sound like they'd be town questions.
7. You contradict yourself. Nope, try again, means that they are still likely masons? But then you say why would the mafia leave masons alive. Seriously, I get some contradictions in your posts, but this is just ridiculous - they are side by side posts.
8. It cleared up the vagueness in that they finally made a testable (albeit only through death) claim that they are masons, when it was made clear to them (through my posts and the other people I cited above) that they were connected. They were only conclusively connected through drmy's reaction to my pressure vote.
9. First, Andrew OMGUS' you by claiming you are scum (see his illogical response). Second, drmy attacks me for attacking andrew (which is followed afterwards by claiming they are partners). These two attacks are based solely on you and I pressuring andrew. This is textbook OMGUS.
10. Note the first part of my sentence "Overdefensive". The two people they are "scumhunting" are you and I. Both of us had attacked them at the time. Hence, the only "scumhunting" was attacking those who pressured them. Read: OMGUS
11. BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID ABOVE, ARE YOU ILLITERATE. WE WILL KNOW THEIR ALIGNMENT AFTER TONIGHT OR TOMORROW AT THE LATEST.
12. We get it, you're definitely town and taking a hard stance by asking the same question multiple times.


My apologies for some of the insults, but I really want to get across that more than half of your questions are contradictory, already explained, or the same question stated multiple times.

You're not really scumhunting, but it's evident to me that you're trying very hard to come across as a scumhunter.

Vote:Potack

[McStab]

No, I think that you posted those because you didn't think anyone would call you out on half of them. People have been largely dismissive to your lengthy and seemingly purposeless questioning throughout the game (which is why most people have dismissed your and drmy's bickering as useless). You didn't actually just respond to any accusations of not scumhunting, and I made it clear why I insulted/discredited you.

As for the vote, I'm sure it's easy to construe as OMGUS, but in reality, you've been tunnelling all game; it was just made clearer to me when you directed it towards me.

Don't act as though you were reaction-fishing from me and you used poor logic to do it; all that demonstrates is that I can recognize your poor logic for what it is. A scum attempting to push through a mislynch against someone you think is an easy target. You want to make it appear as though I "outed" the masons (which, at this point in time, I think is the safer assumption - if I'm wrong, it will be demonstrated tonight). I then demonstrated how I didn't "out the masons" given that everyone realized they were partners (either scum or mason) far before. Now you're claiming that a logically sound rebuttal of all your attacks on me somehow points to me being scum.

You're a flailing scum if I've ever seen one. I don't need the theatrical "confirm vote" to go along with it - cold, hard reason will do just as fine to show your true colours.

[McStab]

Trying too hard isn't a scumtell - making a case when there isn't one against a townie is. Now that you've been caught in the act, you can go ahead and try your whole "reaction-fishing" defense; let's see how it flies. As much as my response was a huge post, I implore everyone to seriously read what his questions were, and the seriousness of his accusations. This isn't a reaction fish, this was a full-fledged mislynch that he tried to push.

I'll post my reads more comprehensively later tonight on who could be your scum buddies.

[McStab]

So it turns out I'm going out tonight, won't have a chance to make my in-depth lengthy post. I assure you it's coming, but I can't get it by tonight. For now, this is how I see things:

Town

drmyshotgun
andrew
TAM
VisceraEyes
Soben

Null

Code_X
TechnoWC
Potack
Arugula
RedPanda

Scum

RainbowDash
Chrimi

Proper analysis will follow tomorrow.

Unvote

until I can do a full re-read.

[McStab]

Here's my reads spectrum right now:


Conf. town: (the confirmable masonry)
Techno
TAM
Andrew

Almost certainly town:
Arugula - Targeted RainbowDash hard, I have a strong gutread as town, and RainbowDash attacked him in a way that really doesn't look like scumbuddies bussing each other
drmyshotgun - No scum is suicidal enough to knowingly fakeclaim third mason. I suppose it could be a crazy, crazy gambit, but I'd be incredibly surprised, because there would've been much easier ways to blend in town and it would require us not policy-lynching (Lynch All Liars).

Town gut feeling (still candidates for lynching but not primary suspects):

Code_X
RedPanda
VisceraEyes

Scum:

Chrimi - Rainbow's flip (particularly posts #550, #555, #560, #588). Also note that if he flips scum this further confirms Arugula, unless Arugula bussed both partners D1 (and they targeted him back). Chances of that happening, to me, are virtually nil.
Potack-ruv - He hasn't gone after Rainbow or Chrimi, he refuses to acknowledge Chrimi being obvscum today (not wanting to lose both scumpartners in two days), and if you read Rainbow and Chrimi's reads, it's mentioned multiple times that Potack is "probably town" despite them not providing ANY evidence for this. This reeks of scum to me. The whole Techno flip-flop by him today has struck me as scummy as well.


We have this game in the bag. We lynch Chrimi today, and assuming he flips scum, Potack tomorrow.

Vote: Chrimi

On another note, happy birthday AcRv!

[McStab]

If we didn't just win, lynch Potack. He's OBVSCUM or at least a liability going into LyLo. I don't know why we keep quicklynching, but tomorrow the Potato dies - I literally will not lynch anyone else, he's the only possible scum if VisceraEyes flips town.

[McStab]

Quicklynch:

Vote:Potack-ruv

If I'm wrong it's either Arugula or Code_X. If tomorrow comes, don't quicklynch me - it'd lose the game for town, and presumably I'd be left alive for quickhammering a townie and being a big suspect during LyLo. I know we're quicklynching here, but in LyLo, at least give me a chance to defend myself because of the high stakes. As for why I'm quicklynching, I am and have been of the belief that Potato is scum. Panda was of the same belief, and if he somehow survives today, it'd be mean he survives tonight. If he survived tonight, he'd be lynched in LyLo regardless - he's gonna be lynched in this game, it's best we not leave it until LyLo.

[McStab]

I made an argument for it so I don't get quicklynched. I agree it was hypocritical, but I also wasn't expecting two votes on Potack this quickly - I also said in that statement that I'm literally only lynching Potack tomorrow, and I had the opportunity, so I did it. If I hadn't I would be just as hypocritical.

[McStab]

I agree, and I promise if we haven't won to not place a vote until after I've posted at least 5 times the next day.

[McStab]

That was an unfortunate quicklynch, but I still stand by having to do it. He was too controversial to live to LyLo.

No one vote till we've all posted some good content to think over.

[McStab]

Right now I'm leaning on Arugula being scum. The bussing on Day One between him and both RainbowDash and Chrimi seems to really stick out for me for some reason, and the fact that under pressure RainbowDash quickly produced alot of evidence against Arugula - something that Rainbow didn't frequently do.

I'm not confident enough to vote on that yet though.

[McStab]

@Arugula - I'll talk about the rest of it later, but just rereading the ISO you appeared scummier. Also, once Potack flipped town, it caused me to re-evaluate my reads. As for your votecount analysis, I was V/LA while both VisceraEyes and RedPanda were lynched, and I suspected Rainbow at the time.

I think it's safe to say our earlier reads on each other are invalid. All of us professed that we thought we'd won; while one of us was insincere, the other two were, so if anyone sticks with their thoughts as opposed to re-evaluating them, it is more of a scummish quality.

[McStab]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6072

Here's one of mine.

[McStab]

I think the killer was the mislynch on RedPanda. Sorry for quicklynching you Potack, but given how suspicious you viewed me and the mislynch on RedPanda the day before, combined with my thoughts on you being scum since Day One, meant that I felt as though it was necessary to lynch you in case we ended up together in LyLo. I knew I was town and I felt that you would vote me in LyLo, which would've resulted in a quickhammer. As for the last day, it's a shame it went by so quickly, because I was starting to put a case together on Arugula, but well-played Arugula. I honestly thought you were town up until the last day, and that's only because I had to examine you next to Code_X, who was pretty clearly town at that point.

Soben and RedPanda were great for the town, and good call on scum to kill Soben rather than the masons Night One.

I think that as a town we really made our biggest mistake lynching RedPanda. RedPanda was so clearly town and having him instead of Potack (who was already a main factor in two mislynches and a liability for LyLo) would've meant a very different endgame.

Good game everyone, it was enjoyable.

[McStab]

Also, great modding Morton.

[McStab]

Code_X, really don't feel so bad. I feel a little bad for not having spent a little more time coming up with a solid case on Arugula, but I was pretty distracted at a really inopportune time.

Potack, sorry for the quicklynch - I still doubt I could've seen Arugula as scum as opposed to you at that time, but I should've given you time to talk and the like. I think my frustration at the Panda lynch, and Day four in general, clouded my judgement to the point where I was concerned the rest of the town wouldn't lynch you, and I was nearly 100% convinced you were the last scum. Still, I feel as though me lynching you that day was the right move but at a terrible, terrible time and speed. If I've learnt anything from this game it's how deadly speed can be to the town.